14
Jul
11

thursday

Ezra Klein: Last night’s debt-ceiling meeting did not go very well … Eric Cantor launched into a stemwinder before the teams had even had time to look at the options papers the staffs had developed. On three separate occasions, Cantor pushed for the sort of short-term increase the administration has explicitly ruled out. Cantor’s final effort to push the new plan came as the meeting was breaking up and the president was giving instruction to staff on how to prepare for the next set of talks. “Eric, don’t call my bluff,” the president said. “I’m going to the American people on this.” Then, as the story goes, he walked out.

The breakup of the meeting, while dramatic, seems a bit less so if you know that Obama also said “I’ll see you all tomorrow” before leaving the room. But, as if confirming Obama’s accusation that this was all “posturing,” Cantor immediately rushed to reporters to inform them of the president’s dramatic exit. Nevertheless, one goal of the talks is now fulfilled. In his initial remarks announcing the White House negotiations, Obama said one goal was that “the parties will at least know where each other’s bottom lines are.” Now they do.

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Joe Klein: ….. the President of the United States monstered down on Representative Eric Cantor in Wednesday’s deficit ceiling squabble. This is so refreshing on so many levels.

Cantor has been using this crisis to undermine his leader John Boehner, by playing the Tea Party/Grover Norquist recalcitrance card. The boy badly needed someone to get up in his face and Barack Obama, of all people, apparently did, telling Cantor, in no uncertain terms, that he’d veto any short term deficit ceiling fix or, indeed, any plan that did not include revenue increases. Then Obama walked out, or the meeting ended, depending on whom you talk to.

So what we have now is the Republican party in, yes, disarray – a word used to describe Democrats almost exclusively, back in the day before the crazies took over the GOP store. You have Cantor and the House Teasies opposing any revenue increases …. You have Boehner, struck dumb apparently, after his attempt at bipartisan statesmanship with the President was greeted by tossed shoes and catcalls from the Teasies. You have Mitch McConnell, well, I’m speechless about Mitch McConnell…

…. Obama and Boehner proposed to do something really good for the country. Obama and the Republican leadership could still work out a significant deficit reduction deal … if the CantorTeasians are will to bend just a teensy bit and include some loophole closing. Or we can just forget about the whole thing, go the McConnell route…in which case, I hope the President submits his $2 Trillion deficit reduction compromise bill to the Congress and dares the Republicans to vote against it.

…. Grover Norquist came up with the idea of the No Tax pledge when he was in high school as a way to “brand” the Republicans and distinguish them from the Democrats. And there you have it in a nutshell …. the Republican Party has moved from Reagan’s politics of principle to Norquist’s politics of marketing … that’s the reason why the Republican Party is in serious danger of reducing itself to a drooly-mouthed anti-tax cult. And to think: they used to be considered the grownups.

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45 Responses to “thursday”


  1. 1 Bobfr
    July 14, 2011 at 1:07 am

    Dear Chipsticks,

    In a response thread to a little tidbit I posted at TPV, a cool idea emerged thanks to dialogue between Aquagranny and nellcote.

    The essence of it would be to start a fax and email campaign that sent 100s of thousands of pictures of cans of peas – no comment required – to Boehner, Cantor, McConnell … :)

    Thought you might like it and given your superb graphics skills and the audience you and BWD have created, in addition to all our friends at TPV, and several other truly Democratic blogs … well, it could be a bunch of fun and I’d suspect that even the newstainers and their lame stream corporate employers would give it some cycles. Let’s face it, it’s a visual that requires them to do nothing but broadcast it :)

    The comment thread starts here: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/07/night-school-for-professional-left.html#comment-251676109

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  2. 3 ChristiMtl
    July 14, 2011 at 6:16 am

    I would send pictures of baby food jars of peas. Double message. Do your damn job and stop acting like babies

  3. 4 ChristiMtl
    July 14, 2011 at 6:26 am

    Actually, stop acting like children or stop acting like babies is way too cute to describe the actions of these criminals.

    • 5 nathkatun7
      July 14, 2011 at 9:17 pm

      I would say stop acting like spoiled children because not all the children behave like this Eric Cantor who wants every thing now or he throws a tantrum.

  4. 6 Ceb
    July 14, 2011 at 7:16 am

    Great strategic move by the prez to have these interviews with regional journalist before the meeting with congressional members. Get the word out all over the country and go around the Washinton press who are more concerned about drama than substance. Little minds like Cantor cannot seem to understand that PBO isnthe president of all of ALL of the US withba world-wide reach and influence. His arms are too short to box with PBO.

    Continue to offer up prayers, mediations, etc. for our nation and our courageous leader.

    • 7 utaustinliberal
      July 14, 2011 at 12:34 pm

      Absolutely! The CBS News interview with Scott Pelley was so effective, because it cut across the BS and went directly to a lot of seniors who regularly watch the evening news. Now with this move to talk to local tv stations, the President can reach Americans who for whatever reason aren’t clued in to the debate or the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling and make his case.

  5. 8 Ceb
    July 14, 2011 at 7:19 am

    “president of all of the US with a world-wide reach and influence”

  6. 9 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    July 14, 2011 at 7:25 am

    PRAYERS ARE SO NEEDED TO FIGHT THIS HORRIFIC STRUGGLE AGAINST BASICALLY…EVIL PERSONIFIED! BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE GOP IS. OUR AWESOME LORD IS THE ONE IN CONTROL AND HE NEEDS TO HEAR FROM US. JUST LIKE CORY BOOKER SAID LAST NIGHT TO PIERCE MORGAN…WE HAVE ALLOWED FEAR AND IDEOLOGY TO OVERRIDE FAITH AND VALUES IN AMERICA. OUR AWESOME AND PERSEVERING PRESIDENT NEEDS OUR SOLID FAITH AND PRAYER PUSH…WE ARE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE. IT IS GOD WHO DETERMINES THE FATE OF AMERICA! STAND WITH PRAYER…THERE IS NO GREATER WEAPON AGAINST THE EVIL THAT HAS BEFALLEN THIS NATION!

  7. 10 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    July 14, 2011 at 7:31 am

    ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR…CONTINUE TO TWEET THE SENATE REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF RUPERT. THE END OF FOX NEWS WILL END SOME HORRIFIC POISON THAT HAS BEEN FED TO THIS COUNTRY! RUPERT DESERVES NOTHING BETTER THAN HELL ON A HAYRIDE!

  8. July 14, 2011 at 7:45 am

    No weapon formed against me, shall prosper. Lord help your People. We all belong to you Lord. Lord I pray that peace will be bestowed to the congress meetings. Lord deliver us all from fear, and teach us to strongly lean and depend on you Lord. For all our help comes from you Lord God. Lord I’m praying a special prayer for Congress, and the Obama Administration, right now LOrd Jesus. Father God we need you desperately. Lord God deliver us from the mess that we’ve made of our economy. Forgive us Lord Jesus for being disobedient and greedy. Remind us to obey you, so that we may be blessed. I asked these blessings In your precious name, Amen

  9. July 14, 2011 at 7:50 am

    This mornings quinniPiac poll has the president at 47-46 job approval. 71% like him personally!
    Snd he gets better grades on the economy and debt than the republicans.
    And more people blame bush than Obama by a 2-1 ratio!

  10. 15 Ladyhawke
    July 14, 2011 at 8:00 am

    This gives new meaning to “BUYERS REMORSE”. The Republican Party has no credibility. They are a laughingstock. Boehner, Cantor and McConnell lack leadership skills. And the potential GOP presidential candidates who think they are qualified to be the leader of the free word are no profiles in courage. Pawlenty is with the Tea Party and Mitt Romney who has been so loquacious of late, has suddenly lost his voice.

    THE WALL STREET PARTY, TRAPPED IN THE MADHOUSE:

    Wall Street and big business bankrolled the tea party in order to put tax cut and deregulation-friendly Republicans in control of Washington. Now, they’re reaping the whirlwind.

    When you’re looking for strength in numbers, opening the doors to the madhouse might seem like an efficient way to give your side a numerical and adrenaline boost. But once they’re out, good luck controlling the crazies.

    Big business and Wall Street types were only too happy to fund the “tea party movement,” creating a quasi-grassroots army that turned back the Democratic tide that rich folk feared would threaten their financial interests after 2008. Socialism! That’s what they feared, and what better to beat it back than a gang of John Birch Society-minded, Ayn Rand-loving, Constitution-mad libbing, low-information voters who could be programmed with right wing talking points and sent out to “take their country back?”

    Well, now the Birchers have enough numbers in the U.S. House of Representatives to challenge the business lobby’s man in Washington, Speaker John Boehner — who is anything but a tea partier — and their Senate hired hand, Mitch McConnell. And they have, in Eric Cantor, a man cynical and self-serving enough to lead the mad person parade.

    http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/the-wall-street-party-trapped-in-the-madhouse/

    • 16 utaustinliberal
      July 14, 2011 at 12:41 pm

      Great article. When I watched the GOP courting the teaparty, I immediately thought to myself, this is an epic disaster waiting to happen. They embraced the teabaggers warts and all without pausing to think about the dangerous and catastrophic side of this unknown element. First of all they claim to fight for lower taxes yet don’t somehow understand that taxes have never been this low under any President. They scream socialism, communism, xenophobic rants like “I want my country back,” now that a black man is in charge. They lie about immigrants stealing their so called jobs and use abhorrent, racist, prejudiced, bottom of the barrel language and yet the GOP courted them. I always thought to myself that it wouldn’t be the democratic party that would herald the utter downfall of the GOP, but the raving cannibalistic animal that is the teaparty.

  11. 17 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    July 14, 2011 at 8:03 am

    I BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP TO THE FACT THAT BUSH AND THE GOP HAD OTHER PLANS FOR THIS COUNTRY AND ARE THE CAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC CRISIS! THIS FORM OF EVIL HAS BEEN COOKING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS FOR SOME TIME. PBO HAS OPENED PANDORA’S BOX…FILLED W/GREED AND ANIMOSITY! IF HE HAD NOT COME ALONG…I WOULD HATE TO THINK WHERE WE WOULD BE TODAY! THE GOOD LORD HAS GIVEN OUR PBO A GREAT MISSION!

  12. 18 Fred
    July 14, 2011 at 8:05 am

    dear GOD I really really hope you are listening to us because the President really needs your help;guidance;patience;he needs strength and courage from you.He needs you to take over that fight because this is after all nothing but a man whose patience is running out after being disrespect so much;for as long as he has been in the Oval Office;yelled out in the halls of Congress;he is the First President who has had to show his birth Certificate;being called a Muslim;Kenyan;called a Liar;they accused him of creating non-existing death panels.This is a man who has been called every names but the one word some of us are expecting and dreading.This is a President who has his degrees questioned because he isn’t a Legacy student and because he looks different.He is a father whose children have been insulted and his wife has been called unpatriotic and angry.He has been called a dog.

    GOD deliver the President and our Country from Republicans

  13. 21 prettyfoot58
    July 14, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Gooooooood Morning…everyone….

    ready for a new day….my vacation ends soon…back to work on Monday…

    i hope that by Friday….the vote to raise the debt ceiling has happened….

    but i will say…that i wish some deal was able to be done for deficit reduction…because we need to handle those debt issues….and if a deal had beem done…..whenever the president and or the democrats brought up bils to create jobs or give tax breaks to small businesses…..the republicans could not use the debt issue as a reason to oppose those bills…

    our country has missed a great opportunity to move our country forward…because the intransience of the TP/Republicans……

  14. 22 Me4obama
    July 14, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Morning TODers. Did anyone see Eric Cantoe on any morning shows or is he still holding his baby blanky and sucking his thumb? And how did Morning Joke spin this Cantor mess if anyone watched him.

  15. July 14, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Heey y’all..!! *waving* :D

  16. 26 prettyfoot58
    July 14, 2011 at 8:42 am

    i have a hard time watching Morning Joe……

  17. 32 PoliticalJunkessa
    July 14, 2011 at 9:20 am

    “The boy badly needed someone to get up in his face and Barack Obama, of all people, apparently did….”

    ^^^I love this sentence. Joe Klein hit the mark on the BOY — Cassius Can’tor. Hot damn :mrgreen:

    Have a wonderful day, TOD Family :-P !

  18. 33 meta
    July 14, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Good morning, TODville.

    Here’s a link to the language of the Sense of the Senate vote yesterday. Please pass around so people can see how VILE these right-wing terrorists have become.

    http://1.usa.gov/o7ZMOe

  19. July 14, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Hay Republicans, hay Americans you doubt this President had the backbone to stand up in the face of the Tea-Republicans. I think he just show Cantor that you can only push him so far. Don’t get in his face and disrespect him. I’m proud of my President.

    • July 14, 2011 at 9:57 am

      I’m proud of my President. He is fighting for America, not the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. Isn’t it strange that he is the only one who is truly fighting for this country, when he was being accused of not being born here. Not being an American. When the very ones born here, who wrap themselves in the American flag, are the ones all set to bring this country down. Life is strange, isn’t it.

      • 36 ber6964
        July 14, 2011 at 10:36 am

        True that, it really makes me angry, when I think of a the garbage that has been said about this President!

  20. July 14, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I’ve been calling the WH comment line, but it’s been busy. I am going to get through and tell the President I am behind him 1 gazillion percent!

    Comment line for the President: 202-456-1111

    White House online contact form

    Give the Man some mojo!

    I would like the Republicans to cooperate, but I can also see that things are working out absolutely perfectly. The more the teacrazy agenda gets exposed, the better it is for all of us. They can’t hide behind rhetoric anymore. And Rupert Murdoch is going down fast.

    I do believe good prevails and is working behind the scenes in ways that we are not aware of it. We can see it happening all the time.

    The President is absolutely able to deal with this. He knows what he’s doing.

    • 38 Fred
      July 14, 2011 at 10:12 am

      I wrote him to let him know that we are praying for him and that there are those of us who aren’t on tv who support him and love him

  21. 39 Debra
    July 14, 2011 at 10:12 am

    I called Cantor’s office and spoke with an assistant. I let them know I was disgusted with the repub games and Cantor’s lies and disrespect he shows to President Obama. Cantor’s office number is 202-225-2815. People should deluge his office with phone calls. Might as well add in Mconnell and Boehner too.

  22. 40 Anonymous
    July 14, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Strategy seems to be to try and play to Boehner’s ego as a serious statesman, and saddle Cantor as the young no-nothing siding with the teabaggers. Boehner is also very closely tied to the big business/corporate lobbyists so he’s likely feeling the crazy heat right now. This isn’t Gingrich shutting down government for a week, this is defaulting on debts, crashing the US and World economy. And the way it has been framed is that Boehner would do that because he was unwilling to tax billionaires to Clinton rates and close loopholes.

    When it comes down to it only one person matters in negotiations – John Boehner. I don’t doubt he could get half his caucus to sign off on any deal, and I don’t doubt the President and Nancy Pelosi could get half the Dem caucus to sign off on any deal either – so there is a way – only of Boehner has the will. There is no way he can get all the GOP caucus because to appease the teanuts it would have to be extreme and that deal would never pass the Senate, or WH. So he knows he’ll need Dem votes in the House from Pelosi and that means bringing any bill even further to the left. There is no pressure on Pelosi as the GOP House has the strong majority, no pressure on McConnell as he doesn’t need to provide any votes. No real pressure on Reid either as this has been framed “The President vs GOP House”. The business community wouldn’t care if it was a clean vote – they don’t care about Government debt really, they like government spending on infrastructure and wars. So Boehner is stuck between the business community saying “just get the damn thing done with” and the teabaggers who are saying “let’s default because it will hurt Obama”.

    President Obama already risked his Presidency once when he called the Bin Laden raid. If that went wrong in any number of ways and he would have been finished. Cantor wants short term extensions to keep the uncertainty to keep the economy in the tank. It should be obvious to everyone that short term extensions is not th answer, that the two sides have been at this for months and months and “If not now, then when?”.

  23. 42 virginia
    July 14, 2011 at 10:26 am

    I Love that look on the President’s face. It’s the same look he had the night hBin Laden was killed. It’s called Steely Resolve. Great!

    • 43 ber6964
      July 14, 2011 at 10:40 am

      I can imagine being at the end of that stare, My mother bless her heart had that look when I had crossed the line. You knew she meant business!!

  24. 44 auntydee
    July 14, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I just noticed that the President is taller then most of the critters he has to deal with, Cantor must find it hard to talk “down” to the President when he actually has to look up to the President’s face.


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