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11

here we go again….

I posted this (here) the other day (see more at osborneink):

HistoryByDay (March 2010)

That’s right, ‘progressive’ OUTRAGE! peddlers Miss BP (aka the Hamsher creature, Tea Party and Grover Norquist buddy) and Republican/Libertarian Gary Johnson’s Number One fan (aka Greenwald) paid themselves $24,000 each for “strategic consulting” from Accountability Now donations – precisely $24,000 more than they donated in 2008 and 2010 to candidates challenging “corporate-controlled incumbents”, as they promised Accountability Now would do.

And how was most of their money raised? By sending out hysterical emails to their sheeple distorting the words of President Obama, firing up the hate …. and then pleading for donations to fight this dastardly traitor.

Well, well, well …. here we go again:

The Reid Report: Adam Green runs the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, an entity designed to automatically disgorge mass solicitation emails attacking President Obama every time the president speaks, thereby raising copious amounts of cash to … um … what do they do, exactly? Oh, right… to buy a few ads attacking President Obama and the occasional Republican.

Green and his fellow travelers on the anti-Obama left have been spoiling for a fight with the White House on entitlements, which these folks are apparently convinced Barack Obama is about to feed into a giant shredding machine …. but Green’s latest fundraising email, which landed in my in-box just after 7 p.m. on Monday (and was headlined BREAKING, even though the news it refers to happened hours earlier, at 11 a.m.) opens on an exquisitely dishonest note:

BREAKING: Obama outrage.

Joy-Ann,

BREAKING: Today, in a press conference, President Obama came right out and said it: He’s pushing for benefit cuts in important programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

You and 175,000 others boldly pledged that if Obama actually cuts Medicare/Medicaid benefits, you’ll take your money and volunteering elsewhere in 2012.

Green then urges recipients to sign a pledge not to give money to the Obama campaign if he cuts Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security ….. presumably, they should give money to the Progressive Change Campaign Committee instead…

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Ah yes, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee:

Wow, $725.2k of funds raised in 2010 went on “administrative costs”, $503,788 of that on “salaries and benefits” ….. oh, look:

OpenSecrets

Good. Grief.

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Read ExtremeLiberal on this very issue here

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Very interesting post from last year:

Workbench (2010): …. PACs have different policies regarding whether they compensate the people who run the committees. Some don’t accept one cent of donor money and devote it all to their cause, while others pay themselves salaries, travel expenses and office rent. I interviewed Darcy Burner, a former Democratic Congressional candidate from Washington state who runs the not-for-profit Progressive Congress Action Fund, to learn whether it’s common for left-wing PACs to pay themselves. “The bigger PACs require full-time staff to operate — to raise money, to vet candidates [and] to file reports,” she said. “I think the key question would be more one of whether people giving the money understand what it will be used for. … There’s a trust relationship with donors that requires some truth and transparency about how money is going to be used.”

Read the full post here


96 Responses to “here we go again….”


  1. 1 meta
    July 15, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Perquest is a payroll service!!! LOLz.

  2. 2 Doris
    July 15, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    My, my, my. Who are these people? Whoa Chips, you are on the money. Thanks for this. Please tweeters and facebookers send this out. Add this to your favorites and get this out wherever you can. Oh my goodness.

  3. 6 hopefruit2
    July 15, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Soon, Hamsher and Green will find themselves as irrelevant as Palin – all alone in an empty theatre.

  4. 8 FiredUpInCA
    July 15, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Good grief is right. This is infuriating. This is a racket. We all want to make a living but this is a disgusting way to go about it. Over at Daily Kos they are falling all over themselves with diaries and comments to dismiss Jane Hamsher as being a true representative progressive, ever since she called Obama supporters “dumbest motherf—ers in the world.”

    Really? I am supposed to buy that? You want to act like you don’t know her know rabid progressives? Even after her despicable blackface depiction of Joe Lieberman, even after she found common cause with Grover Norquist and even after she raised questions of who was actually profiting from her fundraising in the past, you still felt that it was okay to invite her as a panelist to Netroots Nation in June.

    She has been an ethically-challenged, fake progressive who is estranged from telling the truth for some time and she’s been bilking these folks for some time. The evidence has been there for anyone who has wanted to see it but they refused to.

    Tell me again who are the “dumbest motherf—ers in the world.” I’m an Obamacrat. None of these professional hair-on-fire liars have received or will ever receive any of my money to pay their salaries and promote their version of kill-the-bill, do-nothing version of progress.

    • 9 LunarSea
      July 15, 2011 at 11:19 pm

      mm’kay. Now tell us what you really think. lol

    • July 16, 2011 at 12:24 am

      I just sent this to larry and ed. Rachel is worthless anymore. She is still pouting over Obama. Poor darling.

      Thanks chipsticks.

    • 11 cuphalffull
      July 16, 2011 at 4:06 am

      I was speaking with one of our OFA volunteers. We were considering whether to order T-shirts for our voter registration efforts now at a more expensive place or wait to order from a less expensive one. The volunteer said she didn’t want to use the extra money for the expedited t-shirts, she wanted to send it in to the Democratic party appeal she had received that day. She said she felt the Democratic party had many expenses right now supporting the primary and recall elections in Wisconsin and other state elections. I thought it was so great how she had been observing where the real expenditures for candidates were coming from.

    • 12 nathkatun7
      July 16, 2011 at 5:25 am

      May be it’s me, but it seems that Adam Green, Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher are using fund raising tactics that are similar to those used by Republicans.

    • July 16, 2011 at 7:28 am

      Exactly. These reactionaries and know-it-alls are like sheep. They will follow any Tom, DicK and Harry who tells them what they want to hear, despite the facts starring them in their faces. And they have the gall to dismiss the Teapartiers. Both groups fall in the same category, if you ask me. When I read or hear them defending this woman after all her sheer greed and hypocrisy has been exposed for all to see, what i feel is pity for this group.

      They call us Obamabots and insinuate that we don’t have any original thought, except to follow PBO, wily nily. But you know what, if I had to follow someone naively who, I believe is one of the great thinkers I’ve ever come across, I would rather be condemned as a follower of his than one who follows a known sheister and hypocrite.

      Why not look for ways to improve my thought, instead of wallowing in toxicity? In addition to all the other rackets they have going, anyone who looks at this document and don’ think that these people are dishonest and rank hypocrites, ought to have their heads examined.

  5. 14 gc
    July 15, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Is there a way to post this at DK?

    • July 16, 2011 at 12:25 am

      You have to know someone gc who would do that. You know everybody over at the loony bin. do it.

    • 16 nathkatun7
      July 16, 2011 at 5:36 am

      Good Question gc!. This should be posted at DK and other progressive sites to expose these self-serving con artists who claim to speak for the Democratic base.

  6. 17 Puddin
    July 15, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    So, according to Lawrence tonight, Adam Green and other delivered 200,000 signatures pledging they will not donate another dollar, knock on another door, make another phone call, lick another envelope, etc. if PBO continue to talk to the repubs abut entitlements. As Joy (on The View) says, “who cares”. Adam Green and Co are crooks!!!

    • July 15, 2011 at 10:53 pm

      I read something about them holding back $17 million dollars? eh, pretty sure that’s what Adam Green is trying to tap into.

      • July 15, 2011 at 10:55 pm

        Oh and about that $17 million? I hope we up the next fundraising total by that much and more just to show how irrelevant they are.

        • 20 Puddin
          July 15, 2011 at 11:13 pm

          YES.WE.CAN. I AM IN! It’s on like popcorn (another one of those old funny sayings :-))

          • 21 Doris
            July 15, 2011 at 11:24 pm

            Some OFAers did our Friday night moneybomb and it felt good. We make the difference.

          • 22 utaustinliberal
            July 15, 2011 at 11:25 pm

            Adam Green showed up at President Obama’s Chicago HQ to protest and deliver signed petitions saying that the signers would not donate any money to his 2012 race. He showed up with 12 people. Yep his massive “protest” drew only 12 people. It was an epic fail. As for the truth telling Chips has done, it will surely spread far and wide and hopefully more people will become aware of the wolf in sheep clothing they are dealing with.

            • July 16, 2011 at 12:29 am

              Send it to anyone. Send to it Morning Joe, Andrea Mitchell, Tweety. Chuck Todd might cover this. He only cares about scandal. This could be phenom. Fired up? Ready to go! If we all sent it to msnbc and cnn, someone will pick it up. Can’t you imagine chuck going out and confronting Adam or Jane about where their fundraising money is spent.

              This could be huge.

            • 24 Chi
              July 16, 2011 at 3:23 am

              What a joke…
              Huge frauds all of them…

              None of thes people ever donated or volunteered to or for President Obama…

              Adam Green and his father were rabid Hillary supporters who disappeared once President Obama won the primaries…

              It is hilarious to think that these people really think that anyone will fall for this fakery…

              Adam Green and his ilk threatening to withhold donations/support for President Obama is akin to Ralph Nader/Ron Paul doing he same…

              These people never supported or voted for President Obama and never will…

              Adam Green is a little twerpy nobody who’s desperate for even a hint of relevance…

        • 25 nathkatun7
          July 16, 2011 at 5:31 am

          You know gobrooklyn, I hope all of us who support the President pledge to do all we can, within our means, to double our past contributions. May may be we can help make up the loss threatened by Adam Green.

    • July 16, 2011 at 7:47 am

      Puddin, given their track record, I’d have to examine those signatures. They probably spent long hours writing their own names in 200k different ways.

      But joke aside, it appears to me that these people are trying to stay relevant, and by doing so, they have an opening to raise money to line their own coffers. There was a guy on Larry the other night after news broke about PBO raising the $86 mil. I think his name is Ari Melber. He completely dismissed Adam Green’s nutty comments that the monies were raised before the president made comments about Social Security in the debt ceiling discussions. In fact, if I remember correctly, the guy say there was no basis in fact to support Green’s assertions.

      Secondly, Larry went down the list of their feigned poutrage about other policies that PBO supposedly intentionally did not do after he promised, (i.e., single payer, public option, etc.) and still he raised $86 mill. So, Larry was saying, if Green’s statement was true, then these same people who would punish PBO, should have done so by shunning him, instead of raising all that money for him.

      Go freaking figure.

      People are beginning to see these money grubbers for exactly what they are. Soon, they will have to get out here and start making a real living like the rest of us.

      I will write Larry to invite these people on and challenge them with these facts that Chips has so aptly laid out here for the world to see. I would ask Larry to have them explain their motives for collecting all this money in the name of campaigns but then have zero dollars donated to such.

      When we are done exposing them, they will slither right back to the Republican party, where they belong, (as if they ever left) to dust off their membership cards.

      One other piece of research I would like to see put together is at what point did these Republicans become so-called progressives? What was the impetus for (pretending to) changing their party affiliation?

  7. July 15, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Yep. I peeped their racket even as a political newbie. I knew money had to be involved. Always follow the money. Their anti-Obama poutrage is just fundraising and niche-marketing. It’s the same kind of racket that Christine O’Donnell and Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich run.

    Firebaggers=teabaggers.

    • July 16, 2011 at 7:50 am

      And sooner, no matter how clever they think they are, they will get caught and held accountable. Just ask Rupert Murdoch, supposedly the most powerful media mogul in the world today.

      Karma is a bi**h.

  8. 29 GGail
    July 15, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Good grief Chipsticks – you are SCARY GOOOOOOOD! This is a great bomb to send via twitter world and if I know my fellow TODers, it will be shot around the world in 5…4…3…2…1

  9. July 15, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    How timely. Thank you Chips. I had just finished writing Lawrence thanking him for calling out those Johnny-come lately Republicans who suddenly call themselves progressives and can’t resist insulting our president with their nasty antics. I am quite sure he knows them, but I liisted each one of them with a little background info on their activities, before taking up this great so-called progressive banner.

    Just as I hit my send button, I saw your e-mail coming in. I promptly sent in another e-mail to Lawrence.

    Thank you for pointing out the greed and hypocrisy of this group. We will be a force to reckon with during this campaign. They have to realize that we are not going to take their bull-kaka sitting down. I think it was precisely because of your research on Ms. Hamsher that prompted her to call us the names she did the other day.

    They can dish it, but they can’t take it. We just have to keep hitting them with the facts.

    Thank you.

    • 31 Puddin
      July 15, 2011 at 11:00 pm

      africa, as I was reading your comment (you are very good at “using your words”…as my five year old godson says) I could hear the chant, “fight, fight, fight, fight” and I could envision all of us and other fellow obamacrats marching with our fists in the air! My mama always said, “what is done in the dark always come to the light”!

    • July 16, 2011 at 12:30 am

      Africa, I did too. We should flood msnbc–all of the shows with this information. Someone will find it interesting.

    • 33 nathkatun7
      July 16, 2011 at 5:39 am

      Bravo, Africa!

  10. 34 Nellcote
    July 15, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Obama Volunteers Threaten to Pull Support if Medicare Changes in Deficit Deal
    July 15, 2011 2:27 PM

    ABC News’ Devin Dwyer (@devindwyer) reports: A group of liberal Democrats, who fundraised and volunteered for Barack Obama in 2008, protested possible cuts to entitlement program benefits, delivering 200,000 signed petitions outside Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago.

    “Today for the first time, President Obama made clear that he’s considering benefit cuts — even for Americans that currently depend on Medicaid and Medicare. Even Paul Ryan didn’t say that much publicly,” said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a liberal PAC which organized the demonstration.

    “President Obama needs to support the overwhelming will of the American people,” he said. “Our position is the position of the overwhelming majority of Americans: It’s time to raise taxes on the rich.”

    Green led a small contingent of Social Security and Medicare recipients – all of whom volunteered and donated to Obama 2008 – to Obama headquarters near Millennium Park, where they were greeted by Ann Marie Habershaw, the campaign’s chief operating officer.

    Diane Piron-Gelman, one of the activists who participated, said the encounter with Habershaw was polite but brief. “She was very, very studiedly neutral,” she said. “She wasn’t going to give us any sort of reaction. She wasn’t openly rude, but there was nothing. Not so much as a smile.”

    Donna Conroy, another volunteer, described Habershaw’s unwillingness to engage in conversation with the group as “cold and perfunctory.”

    But Green said the fact that the COO of Obama’s presidential campaign personally accepted the pledges shows “that they take this campaign seriously.”

    “Our hope is that it turns into results,” he said.

    An Obama campaign official said in response to the PCCC petitions that the president’s effort to achieve a “balanced approach” to reducing the deficit would ultimately protect the middle class and seniors.

    “Americans elected the President in 2008 to take on the big challenges facing our country,” the official said, “that’s why he has put forward a framework to strengthen Medicare and Medicaid in the long run, and he supports finding bipartisan solutions to strengthen Social Security for future generations.”

    “This contrasts with the plan the Republican candidates have embraced that extends tax cuts for the richest Americans and provides special deals for corporate jet owners and oil and gas companies, funded at the expense of the middle class and by ending Medicare as we know it.”

    President Obama in 2008 encouraged his grassroots supporters to “hold me and other elected officials more accountable for their actions.”

    Signatories to the PCCC pledge, who claim to have donated more than $17 million and 2.6 million volunteer hours in 2008, are threatening to close their wallets and stay home in 2012 if Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid benefits are reduced in a deficit deal with Republicans.

    “Don’t ask for a penny of my money or an hour of my time in 2012,” if there are cuts, the pledge reads. “I’m going to focus on electing bold progressive candidates who will fight to protect our Democratic legacy.”

    President Obama indicated today that he would be open to means-testing Medicare –- requiring wealthier seniors to pay more — as part of a compromise plan to reduce the deficit.

    But he said that any changes to the program should “make sure that current beneficiaries, as much as possible, are not affected, but we should look at what can we do in the out years so that, over time, some of these programs are more sustainable.”

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/07/obama-volunteers-threaten-to-pull-support-if-medicare-changes-in-deficit-deal.html

    • July 15, 2011 at 11:01 pm

      Note that 12 – TWELVE!! – people turned up to deliver the Grover Norquist groupies’ petition.

      :oops:

      • July 16, 2011 at 10:11 am

        I would love for Adam Green to tell me how much money did he donate to President Obama campaign. How much time did he volunteer? This guy is full of himself and the crazy ass media loves something like it. But said not a word about no one showing up to see Palin piece of trash.

    • 39 meta
      July 15, 2011 at 11:04 pm

      What a bunch of juveniles. Did they expect to be invited in for tea while they read their bill of attainder? Amateurs!

      • 40 meta
        July 15, 2011 at 11:06 pm

        They are going to focus on electing “bold progressive candidates” LOLz!!!

        • 41 Chi
          July 16, 2011 at 3:30 am

          Like all their ‘bold’ candidates that lost their seats in local elections…

        • 42 nathkatun7
          July 16, 2011 at 6:15 am

          I wonder where they are ‘going to focus on electing “bold progressive candidates?”‘ Would that include: Arkansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada, Missouri, Indiana, Florida, or even Washington, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin? Where were they in pure blue Massachusetts? As much as they hate Obama why didn’t they organize in Massachusetts to elect a “bold progressive?” Why instead of organizing to elect “bold progressives” did these “holier than thou progressives” urge people not to vote, so as to punish President Obama, during the 2010 congressional elections?

          Are these people nuts not to realize that, for example, a Democratic Senator or Representative from Missouri will never support 100% the policies promoted by Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich? Didn’t they learn any thing from the defeat of Russ Feingold, who, by the way, is a much saner and pragmatic progressive? Did they learn learn any thing about the defeat of the loud mouth “bold progressive” Alan Grayson? I used to believe that people who called themselves progressives were smart people who understood the nature of the American political reality. The fact that there are people out there supporting Adam Green and Jane Hamsher has completely disabused me of that belief.

    • 43 Puddin
      July 15, 2011 at 11:06 pm

      Adam Green is such a fraud…I wonder what his little merry followers would say if they know what we now know? I hope this info goes viral…these people need to be taken down.

  11. 44 Tally
    July 15, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    OMFG!!!!!

  12. July 15, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    I REALLY wish that folks would stop listening to these scammers and actually TUNE in and listen to the President speak and clarify over and over and over what he’s doing.. maybe then they’d quit getting ripped off by the Hamshers and the Greens. Its a dang shame how much the firebaggers and the teabaggers have been able to scam from the folks LEAST able to afford being scammed: those on Medicare and
    Social Security. Interesting how that IS ALWAYS their targets… those on fixed incomes who frighten easily. EFF YOU Adam Green and Jane Hamsher. The only thing pushing your ’cause’ is greed and racism. And 200,000 signatures ain’t nothing when the only way you got them to sign was to fear them into it with lies and BS.

    • July 15, 2011 at 11:20 pm

      In all the time I was at dkos- I never even bothered to read a Jane Hamsher diary or one of her minions… as in the pitiful Slinkerwink… I’ve never been to firebag land nor given to their bs fundraisers. I was on the Green email list for a short while but dumped him and Move On too when they pulled some bs attack on the President back several months ago. Grateful as hell I never gave a nickel to any of these FAUX Progressives. Sharks/regressive is their true nature.

      • July 16, 2011 at 8:03 am

        I remember I had just been laid off. I got suckered into their health care debate, taking every instruction, calling and writing people on the hill about the bill from the folks you mention.

        But when they got down to where they wanted to “kill the bill,” instead of seeing any parts of it being passed, I realized that I was dealing with some extremists. By then I was getting e-mails regularly from them. I promptly asked them to unsubscribe me. That was the end of the road for me.

        You used to see all these action diaries over at that place on this healthcare issue. Now, we know why. Judging from the clip Chips put up the other day with Ms. Jane working with the Teapartiers to derail healthcare, you glean the full measure of these people.

        They are indeed, nothing but fraudulent.

        These days, even as GOP governors try to derail the voting system in this country, there is nary a word on these so-called progressive sites or action diaries fighting to correct what’s being done. But on any given day, there are no less than two or three diaries calling for the heads of Democrats or telling PBO what he needs to do.

        These are some disingenuous and dishonest people we are dealing with. That’s why I am so glad that we have this room, BWD, TPV and others where we can work together to effect change, and work on behalf of this president, one of the best, if not the best, I have seen in my life time.

  13. July 15, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Harry Reid’s SB-1323 on “Shared Sacrifice”
    SECTION 1. SENSE OF THE SENATE ON SHARED SACRIFICE.
    (a) Findings- Congress makes the following findings:
    (1) The Wall Street Journal reports that median pay for chief financial officers of S&P 500 companies increased 19 percent to $2,900,000 last year.
    (2) Over the past 10 years, the median family income has declined by more than $2,500.
    (3) Twenty percent of all income earned in the United States is earned by the top 1 percent of individuals.
    (4) Over the past quarter century, four-fifths of the income gains accrued to the top 1 percent of individuals.
    (b) Sense of the Senate – It is the sense of the Senate that any agreement to reduce the budget deficit should require that those earning $1,000,000 or more per year make a more meaningful contribution to the deficit reduction effort.

    All but one of the Senate Republicans voted no on this Bill. Let’s not ever forget that.

    • 50 nathkatun7
      July 16, 2011 at 6:36 am

      Bravo Leader Harry Reid! And Bravo Tien Le! As always, thanks for sharing real meaningful news. Unlike the holier than thou “Bold Progressives,” I really admire and respect Harry Reid. He may speak softly, but his record of accomplishments, as Senate Majority Leader, is quite impressive. President Obama’s two year accomplishments was, in many ways, a result of the skillful leadership of both Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority leader, Harry Reid. I am glad that the “holier than thou progressives” failed in their efforts to unseat him.

    • July 16, 2011 at 8:05 am

      That was a stroke of genius. More and more, I think these Republicans and the PLs ought to get together. Their thinking are the same.

      They. Just. Don’t. Get. It.

    • 52 LunarSea
      July 16, 2011 at 10:52 am

      Well Maine has the two ladies senators, so either both or one of them didn’t vote for this. Do you have a link where we can see who voted NO. I would like to post it on local news sites and send an opinion on it to all the newspapers in this state. This is a pretty poor state and the citizens need to know where their elected officials stand.

      We need to get the info into every outlet available. Thanks Tien Le

  14. 53 LunarSea
    July 16, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I’ve been thinking about this impasse re the deficit and debt ceiling. I thought maybe it’s time to change our approach to something more Barackish in regards to the sniffliing GOPhadists. I mean, we’ve tried using facts, calling, twittering, laughing at, goading and appealing to what ever better angels they may so deftly be hiding but we haven’t tried appealing to their giant egos.

    I have emailed the following to the leaders of the GOP. I will also send it to the GOP senators in my state. Maybe if we all do this, they may rethink their stance and if they don’t, well it’s no skin off my teeth.

    Begin email/

    “The GOP has missed out on having a hand in ACA, Wall St Reform, Killing OBL, the stimulus and more these past 2+ yrs. The GOP will not be remembered kindly through the prism of history. You will be remembered as the party that stifled the potential of America and brought chaos and mayhem to the US and world economies.

    You are being portrayed as the party of low or no family values, ignorant, anti-immigrant, anti-women, anti-middleclass and for big corporation. Under GOP leadership unemployment grew, productivity stagnated and the deficit ballooned.

    The good news is you have -at this moment in time- the opportunity to get in on something bigger than yourselves.

    You know the debt ceiling will be raised but we still have to get our fiscal health in order for this country to flourish like it once did.

    You can continue to fight progress through this difficult time or you can become a more positive force that will be looked on more kindly by the masses, here and around the world. Because make no mistake about it, the whole world is watching and you are not being talked of kindly.

    You have a choice to make, be a part of the team that shares in the glory of bringing us back to fiscal health by being a part of the ‘shared’ sacrifices we are all prepared to make, or be forever delegated to the dustbins of history.

    Now is your chance to grab hold of the brass ring. We all have choices. What will yours be?”

    /End Email

  15. July 16, 2011 at 12:38 am

    OT – Lawrence O has gotten a lot of praise here in the last couple of days, so I know I’m sticking my neck out, but I feel compelled to say that I’m very uneasy with his ‘style’ of presidential support. While he may have been speaking truth about the political language/code words used in Washington, and commending the President’s strategy, I haven’t been able to rid my mind/ears of a certain underlying cynicism in his description of the President’s actions. Yes, I thought his initial rope-a-dope commentary was good, however I confess he seems to have become more and more pedantic in subsequent segments, and more and more insulting (probably not the best word choice) towards the president’s motives. This was reinforced for me in his treatment of today’s press conference – I did NOT like the way he repeatedly called POTUS a liar in his analysis of the press conference. Feeling a growing anger I watched it all the way through, but gave up at the start of the second segment when the guest said he felt the president seriously wanted a big settlement and Lawrence disagreed saying he doesn’t think the president ever did, based on his initial positiion. Lawrence may have had lots of experience in the senate, but that does not give him an automatic ‘in’ on the president’s thoughts. What is the value in Lawrence picking apart the press conference IN THIS WAY? So the President is lining up his campaign platform – why shouldn’t he? Aren’t the Republicans lining up theirs, or trying to? Maybe I’m the only one who feels offended by this partcular approach to the President’s position that Lawrence has been perfecting over the past couple of days, but it’s bothered me enough to elicit this rant. Pardon me if I’m way off track and abusing your eyes, but I’m hoping I’ll sleep better for having gotten this ‘off my chest’. I heartily wish that somehow [ a la lame duck session] the President will pull a chestnut out of the fire of this debt ceiling kerfuffle to scorch Lawrence’s lips!

    • 55 LunarSea
      July 16, 2011 at 1:07 am

      Yeah, I agree I’m not fully ‘in’ with him. While I’ve appreciated SOME of the things he’s said I was also taken aback when he said the Pres’s aim all along was to just get a clean vote on the ceiling.

      My thought’s are that this Pres has been going after the big stuff, ie the deficit. I agree that if this issue lingers then every time we try to do something there will be the screaming about the big spending et al. Then we’ll have to deal with blue dogs (devils) as well as teabaggers.

      I also think that like most Dem presidents before him, he is prepared to do more than lip service with the budget. Something the rethugs wouldn’t know about since they have a terrible track record in this regard.

      In the meantime I’ll just keep watching him sideways…. :smile:

    • 57 Nellcote
      July 16, 2011 at 1:48 am

      I respectfully disagree. I think Larry O has a pretty clear eyed sense of the strategy going on here. I also think he admires the way the Prez is doing it. Disregard for a minute the issue at hand, debt ceiling/deficits, and just look at it as an exercize in how to negotiate. I think that’s what O’Donnell is going on about. He was the producer and one of the writers for the last season of “The West Wing”, you know the one where Jimmy Smits won the presidency.

      • 58 Puddin
        July 16, 2011 at 1:59 am

        I think he could have accomplished schooling us on the art of negotiating without calling the President a liar over and over again!

      • 59 LunarSea
        July 16, 2011 at 2:10 am

        I don’t know. In the clip I just watched he was really going on about the pres. not really wanting to do the ‘big’ think of handling the deficit. Says it’s all a political speech where PBO is just entertaining us and doing it all for votes. I tell you, watch again. He’s really playing the whole thing as a horse race like the rest of the pundits.

        He should stick to the facts and stop trying to tell us what PBO is ‘actually’ doing or thinking. That’s what all these pundits have been doing these last 2 yrs. But that’s just my take.

        I just want facts, not opinion, interpretation or innuendo.

      • July 16, 2011 at 12:53 pm

        I am with Nellcote on this one. Yes, it is pretty raw, but there is truth in what he said. If PBO were not such a good politician, he would not be winning the war. Now Adam or Jane the Shame may benefit from it in some shady way, but the repugs know what Lawrence does. In the future, the repugs will respect his cunning and in the future they will be more fear ful of him. He has made fools out of them.

        My feeling is all politicians are schemers and thinkers. Nancy Pelosi will dump on Obama if she feels he is hurting her chances of being reelected. Obama understands that. Harry Reid and Tom Harkin, they all dump on PBO if it advances their end game.

        I am proud that Obama is steely eyed and can play among the most talented politicians. I also am proud of him for being intelligent, caring and sensitive to others. He would not be where he is if he did not know how the game has to be played.

        An example for me is how Obama is always putting his arm on or around Cantor or Boehner. They never put their hands on him.

    • 61 Puddin
      July 16, 2011 at 1:48 am

      I made the same comment (something similar to yours) elsewhere…I was wondering if any of you saw that. He may know Washington, he may know politics and a lot of politicians, but he has never known another politician like PBO. President Obama has a heart, a good heart and he is sincere, he really want to make life better for “every day people”. I believe he is doing the best he can with what he has to work with and against. I was down to only watching Lawerence and Rev. Sharpton, but I guess I am going to have to turn Lawerence off (again)!

      • 62 LunarSea
        July 16, 2011 at 2:17 am

        I agree. But I won’t be turning him off completely. Got to be careful with all the ‘purity’ stuff. While I won’t vest myself too heavily in him, he is the closest pundit to our way of thinking.

        Honestly tho, it’s like they put something in the water of these pundits that makes them feel they know the whole truth and we will too if we just listen to them. lol

        So yeah, don’t turn him off, just remember that he’s a member of the #mediafail. Compliment him when he’s on target and call him out when he’s way off base. We certainly want to encourage more of them to come over from the dark side.

        • 63 Puddin
          July 16, 2011 at 4:21 am

          I just want the facts…I can do without their opinions/interpretation. I actually hold Lawerence to a higher expectation than the others because he has first hand working knowledge…perhaps I expect too much. I think I will do better with print, that way I won’t have to hear their voice…I think their tone just as much as their words get me all riled up.

    • 64 dotster
      July 16, 2011 at 7:28 am

      I was uneasy with his description of President Obama’s motives also. LOD wants everyone to think that he knows exactly how Obama is thinking and knows as much or more than Obama about all the details and political maneuvering. LOD is another one with a huge ego who can’t help but be impressed by the abundance of talent and skills of President Obama, but he’s also extremely jealous. LOD can hit the nail on the head at times, but I don’t need him to tell me about President Obama’s “true” motives or what he “really” means.

    • July 16, 2011 at 8:14 am

      VC, I don’t think you are sticking your neck out all alone on this. Last night, I was very uncomfortable with Lawrence’s description of what he claimed the president was doing in his first segment. Even when Jon Alter tried to tell him that he did not agree with him in that vein, he pushed back.

      Both my husband and myself had a problem with that. To me, what he was saying is that the president is dishonest., While I wrote Larry commending him for having these discussions about the debt ceiling, I told him that there are times that I have vehemently disagreed with him on other coverage. On this night, I told him that I disagred with his assertion about the president not wanting to have the big deal.

      There have been times in the past when I thought his coverage was way out there, and I would write and tell him. Last night, I did not particularly care about his statements about PBO. To me, it painted him as someone without principles and just another politician, albeit a brilliant or effective one.

      Thanks for your observation. I understand what you are saying. I appreciate his explaining the intrasigent Republicans, but I will take him on too, when I disagree with him, and that is what I did last night.

      • July 16, 2011 at 12:56 pm

        Africa, I will agree that I did not appreciate last night as much as the prior evenings. Lawrence is getting an even bigger head now that so many have been watching him.

        I will stay treasure the fact that he took on Green and made it clear that Obama is a masterful politician.

        • July 16, 2011 at 2:31 pm

          Indeed, Dorothy!! I truly appreciate the fact that he’s taken on intrasigent Republicans for their lies and distortions, but last night I just think his comment came off describing this president as dishonest. That really did not sit well with me.

          I only started watching him back again, after his time off to work on his charity in Malawi. And he has done a really good job of taking down the Republicans, but again his analysis last night, I thought was wrong.

    • 68 meta
      July 16, 2011 at 8:39 am

      Lawrence is obviously a very smart guy. The only caution I would air is that he seems to love to talk about his past experience just a wee too much. His whole schtick seems to always boil down to him and where he’s been. It’s about the fact that he’s been in the room and he really wants you to know that. He studied Clinton’s triangulation. But I think the parlor game of trying to figure out what PBO is thinking or doing isn’t quite so easy.

      I think PBO by nature wants to bring down the deficit. He has always been about efficiency and does not want to leave office in 2016 with massive debt. So to that extent he is working on the Grand Bargain. He knows he can’t get it with this Congress so he’ll have to come up with a plan B. In the meantime, he has to be focused on getting some mileage out of right-wing recalcitrance because it’s just so utterly shameful and unprecedented what they are doing to this country.

    • 69 Brezzydee
      July 16, 2011 at 10:21 am

      vcprezofan2 I felt the exact same way. I was screaming at the TV “Why are you saying this so the dumb Republicans can hear it?) To no one of course. But I feel Lawrence is very smart. He have a great imagination. (Remember he was writer for the TV series The West Wing. And he write and think from his past experiences in the West Wing. But Lawrence is a fair weather Liberal. He said so himself he is a BIG Socialist. So he won’t be wanting anything centrist. But I don’t think he mean to harm the President or the Administration. I think he is just trying to make good TV.

  16. July 16, 2011 at 12:56 am

    I like this idea, Lunar. Since we would be trying to shame them into action, I’d probably put the 3rd and 4th paragraphs first.

    Dear Senator [GOP],

    As we rush towards the August 2nd deadline, you know the debt ceiling will be raised but we still have to get our fiscal health in order for this country to flourish like it once did.

    The good news is YOU have -at this moment in time- the opportunity to get in on something bigger than yourselves.

    The GOP has missed out on having a hand in ACA, Wall St Reform, Killing OBL, the stimulus and more these past 2+ yrs. The GOP will not be remembered kindly through the prism of history. You [etc. etc. etc.]

  17. 72 HZ
    July 16, 2011 at 1:09 am

    I felt something in my spirit tonight about Lawrence when he was spinning what the President said today. I got up just to hear the President, and Lawrence did not tell the truth. My question to Lawrence was,”Mr. O’Donnell, how could this not be about the debit ceiling, and just about the President’s political behind? Are you following in Ms. Rachel’s footsteps. Do your homework better, Lawrence. Oh, and by the way, if you want Washington to change, why are you always talking about when you were there? Remember those days, Lawrence? Everything was not really on the up and up. I am older than you are, and I do remember some things that you are not sharing. Oh, Lawrence, I like you , but I do not like you or anyone one else who tries to spin your show on the head of the President, Barack Obama. That is a very precious and intelligent head you are trying to spin from, and I DO NOT appreciate what you did tonight. Just tell us how you really feel about your President, Mr. O’Donnell. When you talked about this group who marched in with 200,000 plus names, who cares? We picked up over 200,000 new organizers a few weeks ago. So we just replaced the goodness with the evils of your so called friend, Adam Green. Have a nice weekend, Mr. O’Donnell but lay off of my President..

  18. 73 CoalCracker
    July 16, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Don’t forget her other PAC, the FDL Action PAC #C00466953. Donations are down in the current report, but the expenditures in prior years are interesting.

  19. 74 LunarSea
    July 16, 2011 at 1:32 am

    I haven’t seen tonight’s episode and now I’m wondering if I want to. Was going to check out clips online, but I’ve not liked hearing these bits and pieces. Well I suppose if we just send him reminders when he tries to slip in these little nuggets, maybe we can keep him on the straight and narrow. lol

    I’ll just have to keep his twitter handle handy. Wouldn’t you know, I just searched and it’s @Lawrence (kind of narcissistic no?) lol

  20. 75 LunarSea
    July 16, 2011 at 1:37 am

    Just saw a post under Lawrence ‘Lawrence is brilliant’ and I’m thinking ‘in his own mind’ :evil: Yeah, I’ll be watching sideways….

  21. 76 Bobfr
    July 16, 2011 at 2:04 am

    Dear Chipsticks,

    Simply, keep exposing them.

    Thank you for all you are accomplishing.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

    • 77 nathkatun7
      July 16, 2011 at 6:39 am

      “Simply, keep exposing them.” I totally second that Bobfr!

      • July 16, 2011 at 8:26 am

        Indeed. Chips is doing what some in our erstwhile media needs to be doing. This is what we call investigative reporting. When people proclaim this woman the voice of Democrats on TV and in the blogs and turn a blind eye to her little racket here, it is good to see this kind of reporting brought to light.

        Now, it is left to us to grab what Chips has given us and shed more sunshine on it. You know what they say, sunshine is the best disinfectant.

        We are exposing Jane, by unmasking one layer at a time. Soon, we will have the true picture.

        When we were little, my mother used to tell us this story about this creature called “Do-gu-da-ka. He was the ugliest animal in the world, but wanted to marry the king’s daughter. The The king said the groom had to be the most handsome in the world. So, Do-gu-da-ka went through out the forests looking for other animals with the most attributes, borrowed them and by the time he was done, he was the fairest of them all. However, after the wedding, on the night of his honeymoon, all the animals gathered under his room window, asking him for their various parts. By the time he was done shedding his false parts, the whole town saw him for what he was. He was run out of town with his tails between his legs.

        Watch out Ms. Jane, your day is coming. As I said up thread, just ask Rupert Murdoch.

  22. 79 LunarSea
    July 16, 2011 at 2:26 am

    Really, Chipsticks has been absolutely spectacular in exposing these miscreants. Who knew Adam Green, Greenwald and Hamster (purposely misspelled) were all Ron Paul supporters bleeding unsuspecting dems and liberals for all the $$ they can squeeze outta them.

    All guilty of being faux progressive. Or are they ubber progressives? Or semi-progressive? Or suedo-progressive. Oh well a fake by any other name…

    Yeah, ChipsChica is really good!

  23. 80 Blue
    July 16, 2011 at 2:48 am

    Lets get this information out to the public, white house, O’Donnell, Sharpton,Randi Rhodes, friends, family, relatives, neighbors and who ever!

    • 81 Chi
      July 16, 2011 at 3:42 am

      Randi Rhodes has no use for Lawrence O’Donnell…

      She actually long ago shared her disdain for him…

  24. 82 nathkatun7
    July 16, 2011 at 6:50 am

    Thank you Chipsticks for this wonderful space. Most importantly, thank you for all the work you put in gathering the information to share with us, and for your fearlessness in exposing people who are unfairly attacking President Obama.

  25. 83 zizi
    July 16, 2011 at 7:10 am

    Grifters on the march!! As I said on twitter, “A sucker is born every minute” is a timeless truism. What will they do when Pres. Obama is out of office? A ya yaiiiiii…the well will dry up until they latch onto another gravy train.

  26. 84 Anonymous
    July 16, 2011 at 7:29 am

    I knew Hamsher and Greene were up to no good. They gin up hate on Obama so they can line their own pockets! What a scam.

  27. July 16, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Beautiful, Chipsticks. That is quite the scam those people have going. It proves the type of people they are and it ain’t liberal or progessive.

  28. July 16, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Excellent Expose’, Chipsticks. Keep up the great work of outing these fauxgressives aka leeches.

    Hey firebaggers, how stupid you’re gonna stay for this dame and gg to make a cushy living out of your poutrage. Wake up and smell what she and her gang are shoveling right under your noses. Jeez….

  29. July 16, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Great expose, Chips. Let.The.Revelations.Begin. One by one we must continue to expose Hamsher, Adam Green, G.Greenwald, et al for what they really are: lying, vindictive swindlers of the worst kind. Every time a cable or network pundit brings one of those con artists on their TV show or radio program as a so-called “progressive” to spew their lies and garbage, let’s call them out using every means necessary—twitter, email, telephone calls, faxes, letters, petitions, and even face-to-face call outs where possible. We mustn’t let this go. We must keep the heat on.

  30. 88 Joy
    July 16, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Thank you so much for this Chip..I will post this to my wall and all other Groups…I can’t believe how these Firebaggers are selling out. All Dems need to know who they are dealing with…thank you.

  31. July 16, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    HELP!!

    Can someone tell me how to grab some information from this thread. I am trying to write a piece and insert it, but I can’t seem to get it to work.

    Let me know if you can help. It is the table that shows the figures where Jane and Glen pay themselves, but give zero dollars to candidates. I want to grab that whole little section.

    Waiting to hear. Thank you.

    • July 16, 2011 at 2:23 pm

      Hi africa. They are image files. Right click on the image and then select’ save image as’ and store it in your PC in a convenient place like desktop.

      • July 16, 2011 at 2:33 pm

        Thanks, AMK. I gave up trying to copy them. I just went ahead and copied the links. I was working on a diary over at gos on this hypocrisy by Jane Hamsher and her ilk. But again, I just copied the links. It seems to work fine for the purposes, as long as I don’t get in trouble with Chips.

  32. 93 Andogriff
    July 16, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    WTG Ms Chips, excellent sleuthing! This needs to be spread far and wide. Thanks for all your hard work!


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