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fact-checking

Glenn Kessler (Washington Post):

“Obamacare is killing jobs. We know that from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.” – Bachmann

Bachmann won’t give up on this factoid, even though we debunked it seven months ago and said it was worth three Pinocchios. It’s just not correct, and remains a perfect example of how politicians twist the facts….

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“He only went along with the Libyan mission because the United Nations told him to.” – Santorum

Actually, Santorum has it backwards. The United States requested the U.N. resolution to gain international backing for the NATO-led intervention in the Libyan uprising.

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“The idea that we would put Americans’ economy in jeopardy based on scientific theory that’s not settled yet to me is just – is nonsense … just because you have a group of scientists that have stood up and said, here is the fact – Galileo got outvoted for a spell.” – Perry

We previously awarded Perry Four Pinocchios for his comments suggesting scientists were increasingly saying climate change was a fiction. We will note he repeatedly did not answer the question at the debate about whether he could name a scientists he thought was credible on the issue….

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“In our state, our plan covered 8 percent of the people, the uninsured. His plan has taken over a 100 percent of the people.” – Romney

It is simply not true, no matter how often candidates say that the Obama health care law represents socialized medicine or took over one-sixth of the economy … Obama’s law was modeled closely on the law passed by Romney when he was governor of Massachusetts – an inconvenient fact that Romney tries hard to run away from. His comparison here is misleading, since both plans try to deal with the problem of the uninsured by requiring an individual mandate.

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“As a matter of fact, what he’s done is, he’s said in fact to Israel that they need to shrink back to their indefensible 1967 borders.” – Bachmann

Obama never said this. The president in May did give a controversial speech, in which he said the de facto border of 1967 should be a starting point for negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians, with agreed swaps of territory. A few days later, he further clarified his comments to make clear he was not saying the lines should be Israel’s border, to the point that he was thanked by the Israeli prime minister in a speech to Congress. We’ve given Bachmann Four Pinocchios for making a similar claim in the past.

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40 Responses to “fact-checking”


  1. 1 Fred
    September 8, 2011 at 9:56 am

    so happy they are doing this but if I may suggest something to these fact-checkers;they should go on ALL networks and do all the fact-checking on live tv instead so that more people will know the truth

    • 2 Bill
      September 8, 2011 at 10:04 am

      Not only are the “fact checking” summaries not covered extensively by the MSM, the candidates are rarely asked directly about their false or controversial statements.

      • September 8, 2011 at 10:21 am

        I missed the Teapublican Debate last night (lucky me LOL). But even though your statement all but answers my following question, did ANYone ask ANY of the GOTP Presidential wanna-bes ANY of THESE relevant questions as listed by “Think Progress”…

        Specific Questions for the Candidates
        Michele Bachmann: You have already called for cutting the corporate tax rate down to 9 percent and said you are “open” to eliminating corporate taxes altogether. After-tax corporate profits are the highest they’ve been since such data started being recorded in 1947, corporations are sitting on near-record amounts of cash, and corporate tax revenues as a percentage of GDP are at or near a 60-year low. Why do corporations need another tax break?

        Herman Cain: You have said that you’d go even further than President Bush did and get rid of the capital gains tax entirely. This would add $1 TRILLION to the deficit over the next 10 years and overwhelmingly benefit the very wealthiest Americans. What will that do to create jobs since cutting taxes on the rich under President Bush resulted in the lowest job creation since 1945?

        Newt Gingrich: You have made calling for the repeal of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law something of a personal crusade, saying that it is “killing the banking industry now.” But bank profits are actually soaring. Given that the big banks helped create the economic mess we are still in, why should we go back to the lax regulation and oversight that helped create the economic crisis in the first place?
        Jon Huntsman: You recently proposed a tax plan that lowered tax rates while eliminating all tax deductions and loopholes. Under similar plan that you say you based your own plan off of, veterans, students, the working poor, seniors, and the middle class would all pay higher taxes – $1,890 more per middle class family than they pay now, while the richest .1 percent of Americans would receive a tax cut of about half a million dollars each. Is that a fair plan and what will raising taxes on the middle class, seniors, and veterans do to create jobs and fix the economy?

        Ron Paul: States in the Northeast are still reeling from Hurricane Irene and Gov. Perry is calling for additional federal help with the wildfires ravaging your home state of Texas, yet you have said that “we need to come to our senses” and abolish the Federal Emergency Management Administration entirely. Do you think there is anything the federal government should do to help disaster victims?
        Rick Perry: When you launched your campaign, you vowed to “work every day to try to make Washington, DC, as inconsequential” in the lives of Americans as you possibly could. Yet, after cutting the budget of the Texas state agency responsible for fighting fires by one-third, you are now demanding more and faster assistance from the federal government. Doesn’t this show that federal spending and the services it provides are indeed highly consequential and that cuts to those programs will have real life consequences for all Americans?

        Mitt Romney: The economic plan you proposed yesterday includes $6.6 TRILLION in tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and corporations. The wealthy are already paying historically low tax rates and corporations are making record profits and sitting on record amounts of cash. How can the country afford your plan and how will more tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations create jobs now when they haven’t done so in the past?

        Rick Santorum: You have accused equal rights supporters of launching a “jihad” against you because of your views on gay rights. With a majority of the American public in favor of marriage equality, to say nothing of other equal rights measures you oppose, are your views simply outside the mainstream?

        Like I said, I’m about 99% sure they were given a pass on all of the above as I’m just sure that it was more of an PBO slamfest than an actual debate. But if you or anyone else can tell me something different, I’d appreciate it and look forward to reading it.

        OBAMA/BIDEN/SUPER MAJORITY DEM CONGRESS/2012

        • 4 hopefruit2
          September 8, 2011 at 10:35 am

          Thanks eclectic. Unfortunately, NONE of these excellent questions were asked.

          And I am very concerned to hear some supposed liberals state that Hunstman is the “sane” one. This is completely false. Huntsman only “sounds” sane he doesn’t eschew science and his GOP opponents are so far gone in their batshitcraziness. But what good is it for this country to have a “scientist” who has no regard for the poor or the middle-class? A “scientist” who is totally about preserving the Bush tax cuts on the backs of seniors, students and veterans? A “scientist” who LOVES the Ryan plan and would vote for it in an instant? And a “scientist” who has no problems pandering to the racist elements of the GOP/Tea Party by attacking his opponent with the juvenile and overused “teleprompter” joke?

          • 5 theo67
            September 8, 2011 at 10:41 am

            Yes, that bothered me, too. Melissa Harris-Perry said on Twitter and then again on the Maddow show that Huntsman would be a good primary candidate against President Obama. When LadyC10 (I think that’s her handle, sorry if I got that wrong) challenged her on Twitter, she came back and said she wasn’t serious. Then a few minutes later, I saw on Twitter someone outraged that she had repeated this crap on the Maddow show. She’s a problem.

            • 6 jacquelineoboomer
              September 8, 2011 at 11:39 am

              I agree – she’s a problem.

              • September 8, 2011 at 11:56 am

                “Be careful not to fall prey to those cameras (sic, the media)… they’re as dangerous as any narcotic”…. the Hon. Elijah Muhammed to Malcolm X in the movie “X”

                Despite that remark, Dr. Perry has been on point MOST of the time. So give her time to “detox”… she’ll come back to her senses in a few

          • September 8, 2011 at 10:53 am

            “Batshitcraziness” LOL! Love it! You got THAT “right”. Huntsman being called “the same one” is a theory of relativity because the rest of GOTP candidates are so sociopathically screwed up that even a certifiable nutcase would look sane by comparison. Yet the MSM keeps pampering and promoting them like they’re competing in the bizzaro version of American Idol.

      • 9 Fred
        September 8, 2011 at 10:22 am

        unfortunately you are right;NEITHER Williams or the rest of the bunch are Tim Russert or Peter Jennings :(

    • September 8, 2011 at 10:28 am

      I’ll drink to that Fred :-) :D

  2. 17 hopefruit2
    September 8, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Ha ha I just don’t understand how this “weak” guy Obama who cannot lead and is sooooo indecisive, yet he RAMMED his huge huge law called “OBAMACARE” down our throats. Hmmmmm…..I don’t get it…I really don’t.

    • 18 theo67
      September 8, 2011 at 10:45 am

      Romney needs to be challenged on his claim of an illegal executive order waiving all 50 states from “Obamacare”. A waiver already exists, within the law which was accelerated by President Obama if the states can come up with their own ideas that would cover at least as many people and cost as little as the Affordable Care Act. We haven’t heard anyone come up with anything – except for Vermont.

    • September 8, 2011 at 11:11 am

      Oh, you mean that “weak” President Obama that caught and killed Bin Laden and his terrorist heir in the span of 2 weeks, shot down Pirates, helped to dethrone Khaddafi and has put up with the worst vitriol from the right towards any Democratic President in modern history without breaking a sweat… in addition to “ramming ObamaCare” AND Wall Street regulations and Banking reforms “down their throats”? You mean THAT “weak” Obama? (BIG A sarcasm)

      If that’s “weak”, the GOTP better pray that he never gets “strong”.

  3. September 8, 2011 at 10:25 am

    That’s what I dislike about these so-called “debates.” They blatantly lie to the American people and no one fact checks them on the spot. I mean picture the largest voting group (seniors) who don’t use the internet. They probably take the candidates spin as gospel. Infuriating!

    • 21 Obama Grandmama
      September 8, 2011 at 1:19 pm

      I think the audience thinks if they hear it straight from the candidates mouth it is so. Either that or ALL candidates lie so you cannot believe anything said. Both of those scenarios put an honest candidate at a disadvantage. Prez Obama is at a disacvantage here although many of us recognized his honesty and that is why we are supporters. WE need to hold the press to fact checking if only after the fact as I do believe it would be hard with the time constraints in a debate to do it on the spot. I miss Tim Russert and his hard work at preparing ahead to be ready to pin the person down and cause them to be unable to spread their lying talking points.

  4. 22 Fred
    September 8, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Lobby Group Presses Its Attack On Healthcare Reform

    An industry trade group warned of job losses in the medical equipment industry due to an excise tax on medical devices. In a new 30-page report released yesterday by the Advanced Medical Technology Association, the group concluded that a 2.3% tax on medical equipment may lead to the closure of research facilities in several states. The report, released just before the President’s highly anticipated jobs speech, claims the tax could eliminate 43,000 jobs and removed $3.5 billion from local economies.

    The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has repeatedly stated that healthcare reform would have a small overall effect on the labor force. The new tax is expected to generate $20 billion in revenue for the federal government over the first 6 years it is in effect.

    be careful reading the Daily Caller;they’ll give you all kinds of illnesses

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/08/tax-buried-in-obama-health-care-plan-will-kill-43000-jobs-warns-economic-report-from-medical-equipment-lobby/

    • 23 theo67
      September 8, 2011 at 10:52 am

      The more these businesses complain, the more one has to question whether they know anything about business. No industry can sustain itself without continued research, and in the health care industry, they receive a large bulk of their research funding from the government in the form of direct funding and research credits. The President and Dems sought to make the R&D tax credit permanent. This is worth far more than the 2.3% tax that the industry is now crying about.

      In addition, the health industry will gain many more millions of potential customers with the Affordable Care Act – which will offset any increase in taxes in any other area.

      These people need to give it up and just deal with the new realities. Their continuous claim of how the business climate is “uncertain” is nauseating. When has a business climate ever been certain? Isn’t that why CEOs get paid a ton of money, to anticipate and plan for uncertainty? They’re sitting on trillions and refusing to use it to help the American people and the US economy because the only “uncertainty” that is worrying them is whether they can muster up a decent candidate to oust President Obama from office, leaving them free to rape and pillage this country without limit.

  5. 25 hopefruit2
    September 8, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Michelle Bachman tried to insinuate that gas prices began rising only after President OBama was sworn in. Well that is very misleading. While the gas charts in fact show that average gas prices were lower at the point PBO was elected than they’ve been since he was sworn in, they were much much higher BEFORE the fall of 2008. There was a curiously sharp drop in gas prices from a high of $4.12/per gallon in July 2008 to a low of $1.61 in Nov 2008. The low gas price that Bachman touts was not a trend, rather it was an anomaly.

    http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

    • 26 JoJothecat
      September 8, 2011 at 10:56 am

      The drop in gas prices was due to the financial crash in Sept. Money became tight and the hedge fund folks were not leveraging and driving up the cost of oil and gasoline. After 2009 and PBO saved the banks, the banks and hedge fund folks went back to their evil ways.

  6. 27 Fred
    September 8, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Cornyn: ‘We Owe It To The Office Of The Presidency’ To Attend Jobs Speech

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/09/08/314345/cornyn-attend-jobs-speech/

    Hunger Rate Spikes In Rick Perry’s Texas, Even As National Rate Holds Steady :shock:

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/08/314174/hunger-rate-rises-in-perrys-texas-as-it-stays-steady-nationwide/

    Perry: We Wouldn’t Have As Many Uninsured In Texas ‘If You Didn’t Have The Federal Government’

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/09/08/314145/rick-perry-tries-to-blame-feds-for-texas-high-uninsurance-rate-here-are-the-real-reasons/

    Romney Advisor: Perry’s Desire To ‘Abolish Social Security’ Is A ‘Disqualifying Position’

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/09/08/314128/mitt-romney-rick-perry-abolish-social-security-disqualifying/

  7. 28 Fred
    September 8, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Virginia delegate asks Ken Cuccinelli to investigate Governor McDonnell
    A legislator in Virginia is asking Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli to investigate if Governor Bob McDonnell violated Virginia law

    http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-virginia-delegate-asks-ken-cuccinelli-to-investigate-governor-mcdonnell-20110907,0,22998.story

    McDonnell’s office says it will enforce public-notice law on committee meetings

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/va-legislator-wants-probe-of-mcdonnell-reform-commissions-non-public-meetings/2011/09/06/gIQAD20K9J_story.html

    Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) openly admits that he is blocking Consumer Financial Protection Bureau nominee Richard Cordray purely to extract policy concessions from President Obama
    Why Do Republicans Hate Democracy?

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/94646/cordray-consumer-board-confirmation-nullification-shelby-obama

    • 29 theo67
      September 8, 2011 at 10:55 am

      They not only hate Democracy, but they hate the American people and would deprive them of protection from the same villains who caused the great recession. They should be ashamed – but they don’t know shame.

      • 30 HZ
        September 8, 2011 at 2:21 pm

        Hi TOD family, what about jamming the phones for Sen. Shelby of AL. . and Sen. Corker of Tenn. about blocking democracy. I am getting to work.HZ

  8. 31 Fred
    September 8, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Former Saudi spy chief: U.S. should have declared end to Afghan war after killing of bin Laden

    He recalled how former President George W. Bush had vowed to capture bin Laden, “dead or alive,” and praised President Obama for persisting in that mission. “I think he should have been given more credit for it by the American people and the rest of us.” :shock: :shock:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/former-saudi-spy-chief-us-should-have-declared-end-to-afghan-war-after-killing-of-bin-laden/2011/09/07/gIQA3f4u9J_blog.html

    • 33 hopefruit2
      September 8, 2011 at 10:57 am

      Thanks Fred. You are on a roll here! I really hope your pain subsides and also that you will be able to tune in tonight to our President’s speech.

  9. 34 Sheila R.
    September 8, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Healthcare added nearly 30,000 jobs in August, the single bright spot in the jobs market. That’s a fact.

  10. 35 57andFemale
    September 8, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I just heard a new tea party congressman from my state of Il — Schock, I think his name was. He said that it’s Obama’s job to write a bill “put it in writing” and submit the bill to Congress. “We don’t need another speech. We need a bill in writing.”

    After Romney said he would ‘file’ five bills his first day in office.

    None of these guys know how the government works?

    • September 8, 2011 at 12:02 pm

      i wonder how some of these jokers would do on a basic high school level Civics test?

    • 37 Sue in Minnesota
      September 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm

      Aaron Schlock…..(another closeted Republican ? just googled his name, some very graphic photographs included amogst the many bare chested six pack on display shots……guy likes to strut his stuff :shock:

      Wish I knew if they were lying, or if their ignorance was on full display. Neither option is good, or IMO acceptable. A civics test on the basic workings of government should be required for any individual running for elected office.

  11. September 8, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Lies are all they have left. There was a whole lot of stupid on that stage last night.

  12. 39 lilma
    September 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I have one question, for every msm pundit, dem. congress (M. Water, M. Clever & all CBC members), PL bloggers, Union Leaders, etc….
    Where the outrages? Where the comdamnation? Why are the pundits (Black, White, Hispanic, Muslin) trying to find the most reasonable in this cookoo nest? The airwaves are silent… Or are they waiting for PBO speech to show their so-called disgust? Ready to tell people how small his Job Plan, it’s on the right track “BUT” analysis. It a good speech “BUT” need to look at the details crap… How hard is going to fight or is going to compromise/cave comment…


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