Ms Chips.. thanks for the heads up…. but HELP! The last 4 posts from you have come in completely BLANK with a light purple background, no way to link to the site….. the first one was “monday”, then “fired up”, then all the others… I could only access this one by going to a previous thread. Don’t know if it’s on my side or not, has anyone else had problems?? I know I don’t comment much at all, but I read as much as I can. Could it be because I live in Germany??
Oh no. Tamron Hall just announced she will be giving Maxine Waters air time on her program to blab some more. This is the shame of it all. Instead of reporting about Obama’s message and a unified effort supporting him, the whole thing becomes Waters engaging in “backlash”, as the media is framing it. Every time there’s a message that needs to be spread far and wide, there’s always some misguided Democrat ready to step in and mess everything up. It’s so stupid.
I saw that and immediately tweeted Tamron; telling her that black people don’t have a problem with PBO. It’s the CBC, especially corrupt Maxine Waters we have a problem with. I also told her that PBO NEVER told black people to stop whining and complaining; he was talking to the CBC who’ve been in power for decades and never got off their asses to help minorities and now see it fit to whine incessantly.
I think PBO was talking about Maxune Waters about her whininig, and complaining, and blaming everybody except her
well fuck her THE ONLY THING SHE IS CONCERN IT’S ABOUT HER FUCKING JOB SHE DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT
the people she represents or pretends to care it’s all about her 15MINTS of fame on TV. and she is been used as a
rug. dispicalbe, so please keep on tweeting her.
I just called her office and told the gentleman that the majority of the AA community does not support Ms. Waters going on TV and letting herself be used in that way to take down this President. He mentioned something about unemployment being high and I stopped him right there and said that unemployment has ALWAYS been high in the Black community, and the nation as a whole has been doing badly in recent years due to policies that have nothing to do with President Obama. I also told him that the media is not concerned about Maxine Waters or the Black community and they will only be too pleased to go back to ignoring the AA community when their Republican president is sworn in and the Republicans take over the senate.
So perfect hopefruit2 well said I am very upset about her comments on ABC this morning that when PBO meet with
the Hispanic Congrssional group he did not asked them to march on. Well speaking for the Latino comunity, we VOTED
for PBO because he will be able to help the comunity better to solve their problems and we will vote for him in 2012
again PBO has accomplished a lot in such short time we know that we Latinos understand him that he can not be able
to solve everybodys problems and we are not asking for too much so to Maxine waters STFU she does not speak for
our comunity. there are a lot’s of very nice people here and we liked all. thanks.
Gezz… Why is she so thin skinned? Bararck Obama is in campaign mode right now so he has upped the rhetoric a bit. And his idea what to make a parallel with the civil rights movement.
“When I called the Phil Gringrey (my House rep) office in Rome, GA to tell him to support the jobs bill, his staffer told me that Maxine Waters doesn’t even support it. She is now part of the problem. My rep is a teabagger and she is giving his staff talking points! Ridiculous!!”
My reply to him was: “Thanks for letting us know that, DEQ54! The ready comeback should be something that explains that Maxine isn’t about helping America get JOBS but helping herself get on tv.”
PBO at the Linked In Townhall just said that Austin is one of his favorite cities in America! Yay!!!!!!! I wholeheartedly concur Sir. This city is wonderful, full of young and old hippies, laid back, full of young professionals, great music festivals like ACL and SXSW, great educational institutions *cough cough* – The University of Texas at Austin ( Goooooooooooooooooo LONGHORNS!!!!), great places to eat, great clubs, wonderful bike trails, lakes, a city that takes recycling very very very seriously. It is a LIBERAL OASIS in a conservative hell hole.
sounded like a tea party question there: concern about regulations and taxes on small business… they seem to be the only ones who don’t get that taxes have been lowered.
He is so good, so conscientious about answering all questions.
At the behest of her corporate employers. I guess she gets MSNBC brownie points (and maybe an extra $25000) bonus commission for generating more clicks on MSNBC.com and more views on the cable TV station.
Oh geez……Maxine Waters is on tv trying to say that Obama “certainly wasn’t talking to the CBC when he made his comment about taking of the bedroom slippers”……….YES Maxine, he was talking to you!
Our4thEstate Bobfr
@MaxineWaters The President of the United States of America was talking to YOU, to YOU. Got it. TO YOU. Time for #EXTREMEMAKEOVEROFCBC
Hey, similar ideas, Bobfr! Before seeing yours I sent her a tweet saying she should step aside as the CBC needs new blood.
Honestly, I hope all the PBO TV critics in the CBC get voted out. (Are their positions at play in the next election? Maybe they should be targeted as being past their ‘best by’ date.) All this washing dirty linen in the media shows a lack of purpose and leadership IMO. Given the President’s nature and leadership style I do not doubt that he, or his team, would have willingly sat down with them and addressed their issues AND listened to THEIR PROPOSALS TO IMPROVE THE STATUS QUO. These attacks just show Maxine W and other moaners have no workable ideas to bring to the table, so they need to seem they’re doing something by trying to tear down the person who is.
In all the time that Maxine appeared on TV since Saturday’s smackdown, she could have been promoting the American Jobs Act, and encouraging people to vote.
Got it in one Tally. That was probably a teabagger. PBO has cut more taxes for small businesses than any other President; so that question was disingenuous and as for regulations, he removed any regulation that was a huge burden; but as he said, he will not apologize for regulations that keep people safe and make sure people aren’t being exploited.
Oh they’re definitely giving her and the CBC hell. I tweeted her congressional phone number (202-225-2201) thanks to donna dem 4 obama and urged people to call her and tell her to quit her crap.
THANK YOU!!! I’m at work and sneaking to watch the LinkedIn town hall and cannot keep up on Twitter. Glad to hear that they’re giving her hell. Thank you for posting her phone number. TOD family is AWESOME!
I wish I can join in here @ work because this is outrageous. Truly, this is the last straw for me with her; instead of being a stand-up woman and a LEADER she chooses to run her dragon breathed mouth about some alternate universive b.s. Does she not realize that the MSM is USING her right now? She’s feeding right into their agenda of division which is only gonna hurt her in the long run. Why can’t she get that. I see no redeeming qualities about her whatsoever.
CBC needs to stand for Cut (the) BullCrap. She needs to go sit down.
She’s been in politics too long. I believe she knows she’s being used and is being paid to be used by the Koch cartel and T-Repubs. I also get the feeling that this is her payment for them maybe backing off from the ethics investigation. Just my opinion.
I have long sensed this to be the case—–divide and splinter off votes from PBO in exchange for the Republicans to “look away” from her ethics investigation.
“We pay our dues to be Americans and enjoy the benefits of American society.”
=====================================
Lakoff argues that we need to promote a very different view of taxes—one that uses a very different kind of metaphor. The metaphor he suggests is that of taxes as “dues”.
Taxes are our dues — we pay our dues to be Americans and enjoy the benefits of American society. Taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized society that is democratic, offers opportunity, and has a huge infrastructure available to all citizens. This incredible infrastructure has been paid for by previous taxpayers. Roads and highways, the Internet, the broadcast airwaves, our public education system, our power grid — every day we all use this vast infrastructure. Our dues maintain it.2
It is about being a member, a part of the community. People pay a membership fee to join a gym, the local YMCA, or a club for which they get to use the basketball courts, the swimming pool, and the golf course. They did not pay for these facilities with their own memberships. They were built and paid for by other members, and all the current members maintain them with their dues. It is the same thing with our country — being a member in good standing of a remarkable nation. Americans pay their dues.
This idea of taxes as dues is not original to Lakoff. It is an idea that has often been expressed, but has not been promoted with the same ferocity or persistence of the taxes-as-affliction metaphor. Franklin Delano Roosevelt once remarked that “Taxes, after all, are dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society.” And Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. expressed a similar sentiment when he said that “I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization.”
Did you guys just hear that question? A guy who made and is still making millions from a search engine he created just told PBO he was “unemployed” by choice and will PBO please raise his taxes so that there’ll be money for Pell Grants, and revenue for the Federal Government so that America can progress and social programs will be available for one and all. He said he wants PBO to please let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire and not to let Congress stop him because he and his wealthy friends have more than benefited from them to the detriment of the middleclass. He told PBO that many of his friends have expressed the same sentiments and are begging him to please raise taxes on the wealthy. Fantastic! You can’t make this stuff up!
PBO was right when he said that many wealthy people actually want to pay their fair share (unlike the Kochs) in taxes if it will benefit America.
Intelligent speech one can actually listen to as opposed to the past presider whom I was painfully unable to listen to without feeling profound shame and embarrassment.
From what I am reading here, it appears that Waters is the only one making the rounds today blasting PBO on the talk shows. She is being used just like they used shirley Sherrod. She is a very vindictive old bat. There I said it.
I feel like asking Maxine W. how many more appearances will it take for her to clear her debt to whoever is ‘sponsoring’ her, but that sounds so mean **downcast eyes** and I really have no proof she’s made a deal with the devil. So, I’ll restrain myself and hope that she’ll either run out of steam soon or feel excessive heat from our tweets, phone calls, emails,snail mail, etc. And yes, I have sent a couple of tweets to her attention.
I just called the local LA office number for Maxine and the young man cut me off and began trying to tell me that she has passed some jobs bills. I asked him if he was going to let me leave my comment and he said yes, then put me on hold (probably to collect himself) because he came back on more calmly and listened then still wanted to defend her and say that she does vocally support the President when she criticize him???? I asked the young man to please pass on my message for her to be aware of how her comments are coming across on MSM. I thanked him for listening. Poor fella is probably catching the blues!!!!!!
He tried to interrupt me and I asked the same question. Are you going to argue with me or are you going to take my message? I said the problems like jobs and closed businesses are not fixed by her going on the morning shows and Wolf Blitzer. I said her pity tour and criticism tour is not helping and given her own ethic problems this message would be better served coming from someone else. He probably didn’t take down my message, but ended by saying, “sorry you feel that way.”
PBO is BRILLIANT! He just pulls facts and figures out of that tremendous database of a brain to extensively answer each question asked. I am always in awe of his knowledge of EVERYTHING. CANNOT WAIT for the campaign and debates with who ever the T-Repubs throw out there!
Not that he needs it, but stuff like this is perfect prep work for him. None of the GOP Clowns come within 100000 miles to this man’s patient and thougtful answers.
I thought Linkedin CEO Jeff Weiner was really great. His opening remarks were just wonderful. You could see his admiration for President Obama. I liked the way he handled the questions. Nicely done Jeff.
Sad contrast to some of the linkedin members currently online. Some of them are downright evil in their thinking. Really telling are most of the dissenters are CEO’s and CFO’s and heads of lucrative contracts. Someone brought that up during the open forum and I logged on to. Most of those who are patient and reasonable are the teachers, the non-profiters, those supported by unions….
Just a few questions & comments about that most excellent Townhall: Was the LinkedIn audience.. members of something, or just random folks who stood in line,etc?
Who was the guy hosting? He was MARVELOUS—- thats how its done MEDIA people!
Does anyone think that if Barack Obama had decided to just practice Law- what a HELL of a Litigator he would have been??
And most importantly I learn soooo much from his townhalls, the questions are mostly intelligent and REAL World.. none of the trash we see at the IGNORANT GOP debates… and President Obama is always on task, always clear in his responses, always honest and FACTUAL. And He thanks our TROOPS!!
Ps – loved the man who asked to be taxed more! Now thats American
Thanks ut, I did find ‘linkedin’ on twitter.. sent them a positive comment & am now following them. I really appreciated Jeff Weiner’s comments at the end, he was wonderful & unabashedly thanked POTUS, something we do not see enough of.
I missed the start of the town hall, but what I watched was impressive. I love the town halls when “real” people ask questions. They always ask intelligent questions, unlike the jackals who are only interested in gossip. Thanks Chips for the heads up and links.
A lot of people at the Town Hall out of work. It just makes me sick to see people struggle like this knowing it’s the extreme right-wing of our country who are holding our people back because they are jonesing for power. So incredibly ugly.
BACHMANN: In this Obamacare legislation, the president steals over $500 billion out of Medicare and he pushes it over into Obamacare…. So what the president is planning is to have Medicare essentially collapse and people will move into Obamacare. But that’s not such a good deal, is it? Because we understand there is a brand new board he put in called IPAB — 15 political appointees and they’ll be making the decisions about whether you get your health insurance or not or whether you get your health care or not. They may say you have health insurance — but the question is, will you have access to what you need for your health care?
In reality, the health law extends the life of Medicare trust fund by nine years and the Medicare Trustees estimate growth, not collapse, as close to 64 million Americans will be enrolled in the program by 2020, up from 47 million today.
( https://www.cms.gov/reportstrustfunds/downloads/tr2011.pdf) .
And what about those $500 billion in cuts Bachmann keeps referring to? The law does not reduce the current Medicare budget; it slows the growth in the program by removing $500 billion from future spending over the next 10 years. The cuts will help stabilize Medicare by eliminating overpayments and slowly phasing in payment adjustments that encourage greater efficiency. As a result, the CBO estimates that “growth in spending will be restrained by reductions in updates to payment rates that were included in the 2010 health care legislation.”
The IPAB board is also not nearly as onerous. It’s tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending if costs increase beyond a certain point, but it is statutorily prohibited from rationing benefits or increasing co-pays.
I doubt that Michele Bachmann has ever been right about anything in her life. She barely comprehends what’s going on and then makes half-baked assumptions, which she gleefully promotes. Fortunately, more people are tuning her out. Hard to imagine she has the money and support to keep up this his charade of a candidacy much longer. She’s a farce.
Michelle Bachman still does not understand that raising the debt ceiling was to cover the costs of bills already accrued by the country. Every time she says PO raised the debt ceiling to build future debt.
I think something is “off” with her. Not sure if it something she can control.
Thanks Chipsticks, I’m on LinkedIn and ready to go!
Thanks Chips. C-SPAN ONE will also be showing the speech live on tv.
Livestreams are also open now at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/president-obama-participates-linkedin-town-hall-meeting
and
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1
Ms Chips.. thanks for the heads up…. but HELP! The last 4 posts from you have come in completely BLANK with a light purple background, no way to link to the site….. the first one was “monday”, then “fired up”, then all the others… I could only access this one by going to a previous thread. Don’t know if it’s on my side or not, has anyone else had problems?? I know I don’t comment much at all, but I read as much as I can. Could it be because I live in Germany??
Oh no. Tamron Hall just announced she will be giving Maxine Waters air time on her program to blab some more. This is the shame of it all. Instead of reporting about Obama’s message and a unified effort supporting him, the whole thing becomes Waters engaging in “backlash”, as the media is framing it. Every time there’s a message that needs to be spread far and wide, there’s always some misguided Democrat ready to step in and mess everything up. It’s so stupid.
I saw that and immediately tweeted Tamron; telling her that black people don’t have a problem with PBO. It’s the CBC, especially corrupt Maxine Waters we have a problem with. I also told her that PBO NEVER told black people to stop whining and complaining; he was talking to the CBC who’ve been in power for decades and never got off their asses to help minorities and now see it fit to whine incessantly.
I think PBO was talking about Maxune Waters about her whininig, and complaining, and blaming everybody except her
well fuck her THE ONLY THING SHE IS CONCERN IT’S ABOUT HER FUCKING JOB SHE DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT
the people she represents or pretends to care it’s all about her 15MINTS of fame on TV. and she is been used as a
rug. dispicalbe, so please keep on tweeting her.
The MSM loves conflict. Anything for the ratings. Ms. Waters is too stupid to understand she is being used.
Or she knows EXACTLY what she’s doing.
As I said earlier they are using her and she is allowing it to disparage this President.
Please TOD call her office (202-225-2201)and tell her to cut it out. She’s doing this crap because she feels there are no consequences to her actions.
I just called her office and told the gentleman that the majority of the AA community does not support Ms. Waters going on TV and letting herself be used in that way to take down this President. He mentioned something about unemployment being high and I stopped him right there and said that unemployment has ALWAYS been high in the Black community, and the nation as a whole has been doing badly in recent years due to policies that have nothing to do with President Obama. I also told him that the media is not concerned about Maxine Waters or the Black community and they will only be too pleased to go back to ignoring the AA community when their Republican president is sworn in and the Republicans take over the senate.
that’s great hopefruit – what did he say to that? did he listen to you or try to argue?
He didn’t say anything more. He said he would pass on the message. I thanked him for listening and passing the message.
So perfect hopefruit2 well said I am very upset about her comments on ABC this morning that when PBO meet with
the Hispanic Congrssional group he did not asked them to march on. Well speaking for the Latino comunity, we VOTED
for PBO because he will be able to help the comunity better to solve their problems and we will vote for him in 2012
again PBO has accomplished a lot in such short time we know that we Latinos understand him that he can not be able
to solve everybodys problems and we are not asking for too much so to Maxine waters STFU she does not speak for
our comunity. there are a lot’s of very nice people here and we liked all. thanks.
Gezz… Why is she so thin skinned? Bararck Obama is in campaign mode right now so he has upped the rhetoric a bit. And his idea what to make a parallel with the civil rights movement.
So tired of the whining.
Just saw this on thepeoplesview..
“When I called the Phil Gringrey (my House rep) office in Rome, GA to tell him to support the jobs bill, his staffer told me that Maxine Waters doesn’t even support it. She is now part of the problem. My rep is a teabagger and she is giving his staff talking points! Ridiculous!!”
My reply to him was: “Thanks for letting us know that, DEQ54! The ready comeback should be something that explains that Maxine isn’t about helping America get JOBS but helping herself get on tv.”
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/president-obama-opens-can-of-whoop-ass.html#disqus_thread
To echo what Donna’s post above – here is a repeat of my earlier post
CALL TO ACTION
Today the senate is voting on the CR that the House passed, which funds disaster relief but cuts energy jobs.
Call Harry Reid and thank him for passing the bill without the cuts and ask him to remain strong as they consider the House version of the bill .
I would also ask everyone to call their Senator and say 2 things
1.Do not agree to budget cuts in the CR, vote against the House version of the bill.
2. Support the American Jobs Act and the Buffett rule
Also as Donna said, call Maxine Waters and all members of the CBC which are listed on this page
http://www.cbcfinc.org/cbc/cbc-members.html
I know this is one more thing to do, but as the President says “Democracy is hard work”
http://www.whatisworking.com/2011/05/contact-congress-address-phone-twitter.html
Thanks folks.
Done – just sent that to all three of my reps! Thanks!
PBO at the Linked In Townhall just said that Austin is one of his favorite cities in America! Yay!!!!!!! I wholeheartedly concur Sir. This city is wonderful, full of young and old hippies, laid back, full of young professionals, great music festivals like ACL and SXSW, great educational institutions *cough cough* – The University of Texas at Austin ( Goooooooooooooooooo LONGHORNS!!!!), great places to eat, great clubs, wonderful bike trails, lakes, a city that takes recycling very very very seriously. It is a LIBERAL OASIS in a conservative hell hole.
Hi fellow longhorn here. That city is the best in the world. No comparison.
Hook em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UT 76!!! White liberal loving our President.
sounded like a tea party question there: concern about regulations and taxes on small business… they seem to be the only ones who don’t get that taxes have been lowered.
He is so good, so conscientious about answering all questions.
Yes…that question came from a plant.
Just saw a tweet saying MSNBC broke away from the Pres linked in town hall to interview Maxine Waters…really!!
really? mama mia
Tamron Hall is egging on Maxine Waters.
At the behest of her corporate employers. I guess she gets MSNBC brownie points (and maybe an extra $25000) bonus commission for generating more clicks on MSNBC.com and more views on the cable TV station.
Oh geez……Maxine Waters is on tv trying to say that Obama “certainly wasn’t talking to the CBC when he made his comment about taking of the bedroom slippers”……….YES Maxine, he was talking to you!
He said CBC over and over
Yes, I think it was pretty clear who he was speaking to…..at the CBC event which was not broadcast on national tv, pretty easy to figure out.
I mean, what more does a brotha have to do? The President wasn’t talking about CinnaBonCentral so c’mon now, Maxine. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Maxine Waters has become a disgrace. She can’t even see that.
Our4thEstate Bobfr
@MaxineWaters The President of the United States of America was talking to YOU, to YOU. Got it. TO YOU. Time for #EXTREMEMAKEOVEROFCBC
Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!
tweeting your tweet bob. ay yiyi
Thank you a4alice!!
Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!
Me too!
Hey, similar ideas, Bobfr! Before seeing yours I sent her a tweet saying she should step aside as the CBC needs new blood.
Honestly, I hope all the PBO TV critics in the CBC get voted out. (Are their positions at play in the next election? Maybe they should be targeted as being past their ‘best by’ date.) All this washing dirty linen in the media shows a lack of purpose and leadership IMO. Given the President’s nature and leadership style I do not doubt that he, or his team, would have willingly sat down with them and addressed their issues AND listened to THEIR PROPOSALS TO IMPROVE THE STATUS QUO. These attacks just show Maxine W and other moaners have no workable ideas to bring to the table, so they need to seem they’re doing something by trying to tear down the person who is.
guess Waters thinks she is and speaks for the CBC now?
SMH
In all the time that Maxine appeared on TV since Saturday’s smackdown, she could have been promoting the American Jobs Act, and encouraging people to vote.
Good afternoon, Chips & TODville! Hope everyone is having a productive day!
I wonder what regulations that woman who owns the (apartment/home) cleaning company could possible be complaining about?
She can’t hire illegal aliens? boo hoo
She must pay minimum wage? boo hoo
She must pay OT for over 40 hours a week? boo hoo
There are OSHA rules for workplace safety? boo hoo
What regulations could prevent her from operating and growing her business?
THIS!
Got it in one Tally. That was probably a teabagger. PBO has cut more taxes for small businesses than any other President; so that question was disingenuous and as for regulations, he removed any regulation that was a huge burden; but as he said, he will not apologize for regulations that keep people safe and make sure people aren’t being exploited.
you tell it tally!
I cannot follow on Twitter. Are they giving Troubled Waters hell on Twitter? Sure hope so. I sent several this morning while I could.
– @OfficialCBC Please UNLEASH YOURSELVES on Maxine Waters. We’re sick of her “any-excuse-to-bash-Obama media tour”. @MaxineWaters #doyourjob
– @MaxineWaters in Aug pretended your tour was about for AAs re: jobs. LIES! Weren’t elected 2 b 1 but maybe u r paid to be a media wh***
“Shake it off. Stop complainin’. Stop grumblin’. Stop cryin’. We are going to press on. We have work to do.”
– PBO was talking 2 u @MaxineWaters, then you ran str8 to the media and started complainin’, grumblin’ & cryin’ at 1st chance! Defensive? YES
Can
Oh they’re definitely giving her and the CBC hell. I tweeted her congressional phone number (202-225-2201) thanks to donna dem 4 obama and urged people to call her and tell her to quit her crap.
THANK YOU!!! I’m at work and sneaking to watch the LinkedIn town hall and cannot keep up on Twitter. Glad to hear that they’re giving her hell. Thank you for posting her phone number. TOD family is AWESOME!
I wish I can join in here @ work because this is outrageous. Truly, this is the last straw for me with her; instead of being a stand-up woman and a LEADER she chooses to run her dragon breathed mouth about some alternate universive b.s. Does she not realize that the MSM is USING her right now? She’s feeding right into their agenda of division which is only gonna hurt her in the long run. Why can’t she get that. I see no redeeming qualities about her whatsoever.
CBC needs to stand for Cut (the) BullCrap. She needs to go sit down.
CBC = Crybaby Caucus
That too! Can’t get anymore accurate than that!
She’s been in politics too long. I believe she knows she’s being used and is being paid to be used by the Koch cartel and T-Repubs. I also get the feeling that this is her payment for them maybe backing off from the ethics investigation. Just my opinion.
I have long sensed this to be the case—–divide and splinter off votes from PBO in exchange for the Republicans to “look away” from her ethics investigation.
“Troubled Waters”?? Hilarious………..
TAXES ARE GOOD – TAXES ARE OUR DUES
“We pay our dues to be Americans and enjoy the benefits of American society.”
=====================================
Lakoff argues that we need to promote a very different view of taxes—one that uses a very different kind of metaphor. The metaphor he suggests is that of taxes as “dues”.
Taxes are our dues — we pay our dues to be Americans and enjoy the benefits of American society. Taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized society that is democratic, offers opportunity, and has a huge infrastructure available to all citizens. This incredible infrastructure has been paid for by previous taxpayers. Roads and highways, the Internet, the broadcast airwaves, our public education system, our power grid — every day we all use this vast infrastructure. Our dues maintain it.2
It is about being a member, a part of the community. People pay a membership fee to join a gym, the local YMCA, or a club for which they get to use the basketball courts, the swimming pool, and the golf course. They did not pay for these facilities with their own memberships. They were built and paid for by other members, and all the current members maintain them with their dues. It is the same thing with our country — being a member in good standing of a remarkable nation. Americans pay their dues.
This idea of taxes as dues is not original to Lakoff. It is an idea that has often been expressed, but has not been promoted with the same ferocity or persistence of the taxes-as-affliction metaphor. Franklin Delano Roosevelt once remarked that “Taxes, after all, are dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society.” And Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. expressed a similar sentiment when he said that “I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization.”
======================================
http://governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=17
Did you guys just hear that question? A guy who made and is still making millions from a search engine he created just told PBO he was “unemployed” by choice and will PBO please raise his taxes so that there’ll be money for Pell Grants, and revenue for the Federal Government so that America can progress and social programs will be available for one and all. He said he wants PBO to please let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire and not to let Congress stop him because he and his wealthy friends have more than benefited from them to the detriment of the middleclass. He told PBO that many of his friends have expressed the same sentiments and are begging him to please raise taxes on the wealthy. Fantastic! You can’t make this stuff up!
PBO was right when he said that many wealthy people actually want to pay their fair share (unlike the Kochs) in taxes if it will benefit America.
YES!!!!! This is a GREAT forum for the President! Intelligent (somewhat) questions, clear answers – without a promter
UTaustin, it will be interesting to see if the media plays this portion of this townhall. This gentleman’s question should be played 24/7.
It was awesome! The thing that pisses me off is the ridiculous RWNJ meme of, “if they want to pay more taxes, tell them to write a check to the IRS.”
That on it’s face is actually IMPOSSIBLE. The IRS is REQUIRED BY LAW to send back any over payments.
IT IS ILLEGAL TO OVER PAY YOUR TAXES.
How did my country get so fucking stupid???????
tally….people can make contributions to reduce the public debt though….here is the site.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/gift/gift.htm
That’s AWESOME. But that’s just the public debt, not taxes to actually put people to WORK.
Sounded like he was in on the ground floor at Google. And did you hear that great applause when he said, “please raise my taxes”?
UTAL – A plant! A plant! He was a plant! [
Just kidding]
Intelligent speech one can actually listen to as opposed to the past presider whom I was painfully unable to listen to without feeling profound shame and embarrassment.
This is Maxines Waters office number in the Local Los Angeles Area (323) 757-8900
i called her DC office earlier…guy was very nice and listened. CA office…she could not talk..her phone is ringing off the hook….
From what I am reading here, it appears that Waters is the only one making the rounds today blasting PBO on the talk shows. She is being used just like they used shirley Sherrod. She is a very vindictive old bat. There I said it.
I feel like asking Maxine W. how many more appearances will it take for her to clear her debt to whoever is ‘sponsoring’ her, but that sounds so mean **downcast eyes** and I really have no proof she’s made a deal with the devil. So, I’ll restrain myself and hope that she’ll either run out of steam soon or feel excessive heat from our tweets, phone calls, emails,snail mail, etc. And yes, I have sent a couple of tweets to her attention.
I just called the local LA office number for Maxine and the young man cut me off and began trying to tell me that she has passed some jobs bills. I asked him if he was going to let me leave my comment and he said yes, then put me on hold (probably to collect himself) because he came back on more calmly and listened then still wanted to defend her and say that she does vocally support the President when she criticize him???? I asked the young man to please pass on my message for her to be aware of how her comments are coming across on MSM. I thanked him for listening. Poor fella is probably catching the blues!!!!!!
He tried to interrupt me and I asked the same question. Are you going to argue with me or are you going to take my message? I said the problems like jobs and closed businesses are not fixed by her going on the morning shows and Wolf Blitzer. I said her pity tour and criticism tour is not helping and given her own ethic problems this message would be better served coming from someone else. He probably didn’t take down my message, but ended by saying, “sorry you feel that way.”
Did Maxine send that brother to LinkedIn to frame his question that way??????
Who is this gentleman who is hostig this townhall?
He’s the CEO of Linked In. Mr. Weiner or Wyner (?)
Jeff Weiner
Thx guys.
PBO is BRILLIANT! He just pulls facts and figures out of that tremendous database of a brain to extensively answer each question asked. I am always in awe of his knowledge of EVERYTHING. CANNOT WAIT for the campaign and debates with who ever the T-Repubs throw out there!
Not that he needs it, but stuff like this is perfect prep work for him. None of the GOP Clowns come within 100000 miles to this man’s patient and thougtful answers.
I thought Linkedin CEO Jeff Weiner was really great. His opening remarks were just wonderful. You could see his admiration for President Obama. I liked the way he handled the questions. Nicely done Jeff.
Sad contrast to some of the linkedin members currently online. Some of them are downright evil in their thinking. Really telling are most of the dissenters are CEO’s and CFO’s and heads of lucrative contracts. Someone brought that up during the open forum and I logged on to. Most of those who are patient and reasonable are the teachers, the non-profiters, those supported by unions….
HMMM…..
THE WHITE HOUSE BLOG
Getting the Facts Straight on America’s Tax Burden
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/26/getting-facts-straight-americas-tax-burden
Pete Souza is always in the background hard @ work! Love him!
Did you see that woman jumping up and down after she got to shake PBO’s hand at the end of the rope line? So excited!
Wow, I missed that.
Yeah I saw her. She was super stoked.
Yes! LOL she was hyped.
The last lady who was able to shake the President’s hand almost fell off of the platform when she began jumping up and down!
Hey Chips, if that “Press on” poster wasn’t so large, I would steal it and use as my gravatar.
Just a few questions & comments about that most excellent Townhall: Was the LinkedIn audience.. members of something, or just random folks who stood in line,etc?
Who was the guy hosting? He was MARVELOUS—- thats how its done MEDIA people!
Does anyone think that if Barack Obama had decided to just practice Law- what a HELL of a Litigator he would have been??
And most importantly I learn soooo much from his townhalls, the questions are mostly intelligent and REAL World.. none of the trash we see at the IGNORANT GOP debates… and President Obama is always on task, always clear in his responses, always honest and FACTUAL. And He thanks our TROOPS!!
Ps – loved the man who asked to be taxed more! Now thats American
THIS! x2
The audience was made up of Linked In members and Linked In employees and some other random folks.
The guy hosting was Linked In CEO Jeff Weiner.
Yes, PBO would have been a hell of a litigator.
Yes, I do also love his townhalls.
Thanks ut, I did find ‘linkedin’ on twitter.. sent them a positive comment & am now following them. I really appreciated Jeff Weiner’s comments at the end, he was wonderful & unabashedly thanked POTUS, something we do not see enough of.
I missed the start of the town hall, but what I watched was impressive. I love the town halls when “real” people ask questions. They always ask intelligent questions, unlike the jackals who are only interested in gossip. Thanks Chips for the heads up and links.
Message To Media: Obama’s Right On Climate, Rick ‘State On Fire’ Perry’s Wrong
Dick Halperin
Time’s Mark Halperin also covered only the partisan angle: “POTUS tries to energize base with Perry attacks at Sun. night re-election fundraiser.”
(do your blood pressure a favor folks and do NOT read the comments on that site
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-slams-rick-perry-for-denying-climate-change-while-his-state-is-on-fire/
Rick Perry says more and more scientists are questioning global warming
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/22/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-more-and-more-scientists-are-quest/
http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/09/26/328707/message-to-media-obamas-right-on-climate-rick-state-on-fire-perrys-wrong/
A lot of people at the Town Hall out of work. It just makes me sick to see people struggle like this knowing it’s the extreme right-wing of our country who are holding our people back because they are jonesing for power. So incredibly ugly.
VIDEO: Bachmann: Obamacare Will ‘Essentially Collapse’ Medicare
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/09/26/328769/bachmann-obamacare-will-essentially-collapse-medicare/
BACHMANN: In this Obamacare legislation, the president steals over $500 billion out of Medicare and he pushes it over into Obamacare…. So what the president is planning is to have Medicare essentially collapse and people will move into Obamacare. But that’s not such a good deal, is it? Because we understand there is a brand new board he put in called IPAB — 15 political appointees and they’ll be making the decisions about whether you get your health insurance or not or whether you get your health care or not. They may say you have health insurance — but the question is, will you have access to what you need for your health care?
In reality, the health law extends the life of Medicare trust fund by nine years and the Medicare Trustees estimate growth, not collapse, as close to 64 million Americans will be enrolled in the program by 2020, up from 47 million today.
( https://www.cms.gov/reportstrustfunds/downloads/tr2011.pdf) .
And what about those $500 billion in cuts Bachmann keeps referring to? The law does not reduce the current Medicare budget; it slows the growth in the program by removing $500 billion from future spending over the next 10 years. The cuts will help stabilize Medicare by eliminating overpayments and slowly phasing in payment adjustments that encourage greater efficiency. As a result, the CBO estimates that “growth in spending will be restrained by reductions in updates to payment rates that were included in the 2010 health care legislation.”
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/08/24/302902/cbo-deficit-report-health-care-costs-will-be-restrained-by-savings-in-affordable-care-act/
The IPAB board is also not nearly as onerous. It’s tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending if costs increase beyond a certain point, but it is statutorily prohibited from rationing benefits or increasing co-pays.
I doubt that Michele Bachmann has ever been right about anything in her life. She barely comprehends what’s going on and then makes half-baked assumptions, which she gleefully promotes. Fortunately, more people are tuning her out. Hard to imagine she has the money and support to keep up this his charade of a candidacy much longer. She’s a farce.
Michelle Bachman still does not understand that raising the debt ceiling was to cover the costs of bills already accrued by the country. Every time she says PO raised the debt ceiling to build future debt.
I think something is “off” with her. Not sure if it something she can control.
Thanks for the “Please Raise My Taxes” video Chips. Off to spread it to the media, the GOP, the democrats, and everyone else on twitter.
Our4thEstate Bobfr
‘Mr President please raise my taxes’ youtu.be/EeRi1WU7aNw #YesWeCanDOMoreTogether It’s Time for an #EXTREMEMAKEOVEROFCONGRESS
Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!
I’d like to point out the AWESOME MOMENT when PBO talked about changing the SS/Medicare CAP.
That was EPIC WIN.
I missed that. What did he say?