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so, who’s watching the freak show?

Live streaming at CNN

Live blog at Think Progress

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So, Republicans love executions (even of the innocent), they cheer the death of people without health insurance, they despise gay soldiers, and now they reckon the unemployed should blame themselves …..  wow.

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188 Responses to “so, who’s watching the freak show?”


  1. 1 Dave
    October 18, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    I’ll just wait for the replay on SNL.

    • October 18, 2011 at 7:54 pm

      :lol: Good idea Dave!

      • 3 jacquelineoboomer
        October 18, 2011 at 8:48 pm

        Chips – I’ll be watching a recorded version soon, but still catching up with Rev. Al. Wasn’t going to watch Michael Moore, but decided to check out what he had to say … so far, nothing anti-Obama (maybe because Rev. Al is “watching” him).

        Every time you post that Night of the Living Dead image before a debate, it really gives me a chuckle. Thanks!

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      I’m with Dave. Much too bizarre for me to stomach, totally different universe.

      • 5 Mel
        October 18, 2011 at 10:45 pm

        As a mexican American with my brothers that have served our Country I/am fucking offended by those
        assholes I can garanteed you that they have kissde goodby for ever any Lanino VOTES that they might
        expected to get. To MItten next time you send your own fucking kidds grandchildre. and sons to defenour country
        they will not have the Huevos to do it so shut the fuck up I will do what evr it takes that NOT a single Latino
        vote for you The GOP are Fucking disgasting.

    • 6 LOL
      October 18, 2011 at 8:05 pm

      I find watching scooby doo to be just as informative…everytime one of them talk, all I thinks is “RUH OH”

    • 8 Cha
      October 18, 2011 at 8:48 pm

      ThinkProgress does a really good blow by blow that I read the next day. They have their own little commentary after each blow..it’s priceless!

  2. 9 AnitaW
    October 18, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Not I. Those are just hours I cannot get back. Sorry. I will read the highlights tomorrow. By the way, I just returned from France and I met a wonderful couple from Texas. They were a lot of fun and mentioned how much they hated Rick Perry. But you could have knocked me over with a feather when they said to watch out for Hermain Cain. And forgetting my motto to keep the peace on vaction, I blurted out, “he’s an idiot.”

    I’m guessing Hermain Cain will be in the hot seat tonight because there is no way the GOP establishment wants him as the nominee.

    • 10 vero804
      October 18, 2011 at 8:07 pm

      I tend to agree with the idea of “watch out for Herman Cain.” There is some unspoken need for Republicans for his brand. That’s why we’ve seen Bachmann, Perry, Trump – all of them have their day in the limelight. Maybe Cain will be the lucky one who the crazies agree to stay with. Who knows, but we should take all of the jokers seriously.

      • 11 Lovepolitics2008
        October 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm

        Cain is one of the Koch Brothers’ long term projects. Cain will be used to stir away as many black people as possible from the democratcic party. Of course he’s not electable so in first they’ll quickly crush his chances for the nomination ( the organized attacks have already begun) . But watch what happens after Cain is out of the race… He’ll be promoted heavily by Fox and other media outlets. He’ll become a star of the right wing and will be given all sorts of platform. He’ll even be invited ed on CNN, MSNBC. Just watch.

      • 12 anniebella
        October 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm

        vero804, I’m not a betting person, but how much do you want to bet Herman Cain will not be the Republican nominee?

        • 13 Mel
          October 18, 2011 at 10:50 pm

          He is fucking disgasting ignorant idiot that knows shit about anything, he should be ashame I do
          hope the AA community take this guy down.

  3. 14 Me4obama
    October 18, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I will be watching the freak show live here with all my fellow obamabots.

  4. 15 ChristiMtl
    October 18, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    I posted this a few days ago, it’s worth the read:

    The Foxification Of CNN: New Management Pushes The Network Into Crazy Territory

    http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=5502

    They were right leaning before but now it’s ridiculous.

    No difference with Fox News at all

    • 16 carol in ky
      October 18, 2011 at 8:05 pm

      Wow! How true this article is. I gave up on CNN quite some time ago when I felt my BP rising each time I watched it.

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:08 pm

      And as the ratings show it’s a stupid move. They’re not going to co-op the FOX audience so why bother? They have a huge potential audience that’s not interested in GOP propaganda but here they go begging for crumbs off the Murdoch table. If people have the choice between the real deal or FOX wannabe guess who their going to choose?

      Morons.

    • 18 dotster3
      October 18, 2011 at 8:37 pm

      I wondered what happened to CNN, with its hard right turn, bringing all these extreme rt. fringe hateful freaks on board, really trashing up the place. It’s Ken Jautz who came over from HLN, which he turned into a tabloid style network. I read one of his quotes where he dismissed fact-based journalism. He’s the one who first put Glenn Beck on the air. What a mess he’s made. Now we have 2 FOX News channels.

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:51 pm

      Thanks, Christi, I’ll pass it on. I hope MediaMatters branches out and starts exposing cnn like they do fox.

  5. 20 halo
    October 18, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Here we go!

  6. 21 LOL
    October 18, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I flipping love local news- no bias, no hidden agenda, just facts. Great article about the Prez’s diner visit in Reidsville. Check these quotes out.

    Reidsville resident Chuck Williams was eating at Short Sugar’s when he heard the president was in town. He walked over to Reids House and sat waiting for the president’s arrival.

    ““I was really nervous,” Williams said. “He’s the president.”

    The president took an interest in what local residents were dealing with. He asked Williams, owner of NAPA Auto Parts, how business was. Williams thanked the president for the Cash for Clunkers program, saying it has really helped business by having people look for parts. The president said he would try to keep programs like this on track, according to Williams.”

    And another

    “Jerry Talley was also one of the few people allowed to shake hands with the president. He told Obama he was a retired principal and Obama said he appreciated what educators do, according to Talley.

    Talley said he hasn’t been a supporter of the president, and he is still concerned about the economy and what is happening in America, but he’s no longer sure how he will vote in the next presidential election.”

    Full article http://www2.godanriver.com/news/2011/oct/18/president-obama-visits-reidsville-ar-1392068/

    The problem is that the press wants a horserace and if they have to pull it out of their arses they will. So they have to build Romney the sand man up and tear down the president. Well what do you expect from the 9 percent-ers?

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:38 pm

      Despite the media’s best efforts, I wonder how much of a horse race it will be on voting day, once the President gets the truth out there to more and more areas of the country. There has already been a 10% rise in his polling since the start of the AJA tour.

      It’s sad that the President has to do the media’s job, as well as Congress’ job, plus his own, but we are lucky that he does have the will and stamina to do this. I want to believe that as PBO continues along the path of telling the story himself, and as we support him by telling truth to one friend and one family member/coworker, and they tell one friend and one family member/co-worker and so on, and so on, the country will eventually wake up to the media’s unreliability and send PBO back to the WH in a landslide victory..

  7. 23 hopefruit2
    October 18, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    I think it’s important to be aware of what is being said…after all one of these individuals are going to run against President Obama in 2012. It also helps to know who the media seems to be pushing…

  8. 25 desertflower
    October 18, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    I would rather poke hot needles in my eyes! Nope…not me…I will read any live blogging….here or ThinkProgress…..Like Anita said: Just can’t get that time back:) What? Are they going to “out idiot” each other???? Which one can sink lower?

  9. 26 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Cracking up at Rick Perry standing alongside the rest of the freaks on the stage, looking as still as a Ken Doll – at age 70.

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:08 pm

      LMAO @ Rick Perry looking as still as a Ken Doll – at age 70.

    • 28 Dave
      October 18, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      Oh c’mon now, he done gonna solve the unemployment crisis by……wait for it……..get ready now! DRILLING FOR OIL. Since, well we all know DRILLING FOR OIL will……create….lots of…….jobs. And……all over the country. (and NO DOWNSIDE AT ALL.) That oil drillin’ yessireebob she’s a doozy!!

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      I’m not watching but there is something very odd about his appearance. I’ve seen a few pictures and he really gives off a creepy vibe.

  10. 34 LOL
    October 18, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    OH…this is Comedy…from the new WashPo poll

    New Washington Post/Pew Research Center study gauges what words voters associate with ’12 frontrunners.

    Cain = 9-9-9
    Romney = Mormon
    Perry = Texas

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry?

  11. 37 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Why does Mitt Romney wear that tie? I believe he wore it in one of the earlier debates. It’s so ugly, and I hate to say this, but I wonder if he thinks it makes him look like an average guy in a tie. It’s definitely not sleek or rich looking.

  12. October 18, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Why is Bachmann dressed like she’s in the Navy?

  13. October 18, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Even John Harwood is tweeting snark. It must be pretty bad.

    • 43 jacquelineoboomer
      October 18, 2011 at 8:55 pm

      I’ve seen John get pretty snarky, the short time I’ve been on Twitter. Pretty sure he really hearts PBO.

  14. 44 Ladyhawke
    October 18, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    I can’t bare to watch the actual GOP debate, but I just love the live blogging at Think Progress. They fact check and provide very witty commentary. If anyone is interested, here’s the link.

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/18/347357/live-blog-of-cnn-las-vegas-debate/

  15. 48 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Herman Cain doesn’t understand his own plan. He can’t really explain it.

  16. October 18, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Has Rick Perry gone home?

  17. October 18, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Ah, Perry’s still there – his first contribution to call Herb “brother”.

  18. 53 halo
    October 18, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    These people are crazy.

  19. October 18, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    For those taking a pass on the uninteresting-GOP-totally-ill-named-debate, here’s something else that might be more timely.

    Donna D raised the point yesterday on ‘the liberal media’ post that …

    ‘This media is doing outrageous damage to the public’s perception of someone that they like very much (this is evident in polling when asked this question) but are told that he isn’t doing enough or isn’t doing it the way the media thinks he should. Everything about this administration is sold to the public with a caveat.
    ……
    I can register new voters, I can make donations, I can try and inspire others to get involved in the President’s re-election campaign, I can phone bank, I can canvass, I can cheerlead and I can get everyone I know to the polls. But I shouldn’t have to re-invent the wheel re-educating the voting public simply because the media refuses to do their job.
    ……
    So my question is what should we do about it?’
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Here’s a repost of my suggested answer. See if any of it makes any sense to you as something worth trying:-

    Hi DD4O, my take on what we should do about it hinges on what we have already started to do – push back. Even though this sounds initially simplistic, I think it can work in the same way as PBO’s grassroots fundraising worked last time and is working now, IF WE GRADUALLY BUILD OUR BASE OF THOSE PUSHING BACK relentlessly AND with DIGNITY (i.e. without verbal ‘violence’ ).

    1. One first push back example is actually highlighted by EDP4BHO in her comments below. WE NEED TO KNOW OUR STUFF.

    ‘Now, because I had no info at hand or in mind to the contrary, I realize I lost a golden opportunity to counter with fact…’
    ………………………………….
    ‘I will be taking little crash courses on my end to be almost a walking repository of critical data leading us toward the 2012
    election. I trust we all will be very informed whenever the challenges present.’

    UTALib is one family member who impresses me with her ability to put facts out there quickly. When I see her in action here I generally excuse myself with ‘Well, she’s a young STUDENT. My brain is too old. Plus, I can always find the info at TOD.’ But these opportunities don’t always occur providentially near the computer, and the fact is as I’m computer clumsy I can’t always find info quickly. So EDP makes a good suggestion for us to gradually internalize the facts.

    I personally saw the importance of this recently when I was speaking to a friend who ‘likes’ the President but also believes the news she hears that he is having difficulty leading. (She is not ‘too lazy’ to research. Her reality is two very active young children, one of whom is not yet in school.) I told her that was not true and gave her some general info about some of PBO’s accomplishments; however at the particular moment of the conversation I blanked and could only definitively name a few. Since she trusts me that was enough, fortunately to make her pause and say ‘Oh’. She really wasn’t averse to the President, just kept in darkness by the MSM. Someone else here mentioned recently the idea of ‘traveling’ with handy fact sheets. A good idea, I thought.

    2. Another push back strategy is something Linda at WiW proposed months ago that I did once or twice then gave up. GGail suggested it below – pat the author of TRUTHFUL journalism on the shoulder. We spend a LOT of our time rehashing the negative stuff out there, yet if we don’t spend time cultivating the positive, who will? Obviously not the MSM as it now stands. So, let’s encourage the kind of journalism we want to see, WHENEVER WE RECOGNIZE IT. If I remember correctly, Linda suggested that we say specifically, but briefly, one thing we appreciated in the article/show/or whatever, thereby reiterating the particular favourable bit of information. We wouldn’t necessarily have to read the negative comments that are posted. Sign in, acknowledge the truth in the author/reporter’s work, sign out. In the midst of all the criticism, a positive comment (or several) might just stand out. Imagine the potential impact if our army grew and this caught on. Would we be able to quietly push the naysayers aside? Maybe, maybe not, but our LONG TERM GOAL would be to plant seeds that may eventually turn the dialogue, AND WHO’S TO SAY THAT ONE READER MAY NOT BE LIKE MY FRIEND WHO JUST WANTED SOME LITTLE BIT OF EVIDENCE WHICH COUNTERED THE STEADY DRONE OF NEGATIVITY?

    3. Also, as we have been doing on Twitter, continue to call out the faux-journalists! (Yes they are paid to do their jobs, but it’s in our collective best interests to help them see when they are not doing it well.) IMO we have already made a good start in this area, and our twitter troops are relentless.

    [3b. I think it might be ‘fun’ to now cultivate a twitter TRUTH platoon that hits back with FACTS and FACTS ALONE. No snark. No anger. No pejoratives. No confrontations. No ‘emotion’. Simple truth in the manner of the President, They lie, we just say, ‘Have you, (@msnbc/@markknoller/ @?) seen/read this?’ ‘You need to check this out.’ ‘This seems to contradict your position.’ ‘Oops! I think you missed this’ etc. etc. etc. My suggestion for this ‘new’ branch of our ‘army’ IS NOT TO STOP THOSE WHO Need TO GET THEIR ANGST OUT., but would be in addition to them. Somewhat like Team 6 (?) that carried out the OBL mission? ]

    Conclusion, DD4O, to what do we do about it? We try to join forces and fight back. We will have to EDUCATE the voting public – the part of it we each come in contact with – because the media do refuse to do their job. WE would be in good company though; PBO is, unfortunately, having to do the same thing because Congress is not doing ITS job.

    Another way to think of it is that some others of us who can’t donate or phone bank or canvass, who can’t be on the front line for whatever reason, might be able to help share the work by bringing up the rear as an additional media contact team, or facts platoon members.

    Yes, the mood out in media land has been trending negative, but maybe ONE VOICE (vocalized by ALL of us here, and later those we add to the mission) can change the mood over the next 121/2 months. I’m more than willing to try. What say you?

    • October 18, 2011 at 9:20 pm

      vcprezofan2 – thank you so much for this post. I agree 100% and hope we can work together to encourage this blog to follow your suggestions. I appreciate your thoughtful approach, we are lucky to have you here at the TOD family.

  20. 56 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Snap! Romney got him.

  21. October 18, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Poor Herb, he’s being attacked from all sides, and now he’s reduced to talking about fruit.

  22. 59 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Mittens is the only one there who knows how to play the game. He’s rising about the 9-9-9 shit with his little speech about wanting to get America growing. He’s smart…he let the other people attack Cain, then he came in and spoke above them all.

  23. October 18, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    This is Perry’s best debate so far – because he’s hardly opened his mouth.

  24. 64 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Bachman is only good at attacking President Obama.

  25. 65 ChristiMtl
    October 18, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Why do they have titles for life? Speaker Gingrich, Governor Romney……….as if.

    They all have their titles but practically no one in the corrupt media call President Obama…President!

  26. 68 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    None of them talk about these great plans they have on their awesome websites when given the chance. All they do is say “Barack Obama is bad,” drill now, fuel the fire of the economy, blah blah blah…platitude after platitude.

  27. 69 halo
    October 18, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    How many non-white people are in the audience?

  28. October 18, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Bachmann hasn’t mentioned her 846 children yet – what gives?

  29. 76 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Rick Santorum…hates him some Romney.

  30. October 18, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Huntsman decided to sit this one out. He’s holding a “town hall” in NH tonight. He says he’s boycotting the debate because NV changed it’s caucus date. I think it has to do with always coming in last in the polls and not being able to raise large amounts of cash to fund his campaign. Of course, he could always “do a Meg.”

  31. 85 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    It’s gonna be funny to see Mitt debate the president over health care with the similarities.

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:37 pm

      President Obama: I want to thank you, Mitt, for inspiring the Affordable Care Act.

      Romney: I did not.

      President: Now, now Mitt – don’t be modest. Thank you again – you’re a true liberal.

      Romney: :cry:

  32. October 18, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Romney is very defensive over Romney care. Very!

  33. 88 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Here’s info on this Class Act issue:

    http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/behind-the-class-act-a-numbers-game/

    Goes to the heart of the why there needed to be an individual mandate.

    • 89 Ladyhawke
      October 18, 2011 at 9:10 pm

      The demise of the CLASS Act

      REALITY-BASED GOVERNING

      ========================

      Good point. The administration didn’t cook the books and tweak the numbers to mold reality into something more ideologically-pleasing; officials took a good-faith look at the figures and decided the CLASS Act just wasn’t going to work. They didn’t play games or rewrite reports to fit a political agenda; they didn’t think about how this would play in the media; they identified a problematic program and eliminated it.

      Republican governance has a model: start with the answer and work backwards to ensure a partisan result. The review process that led to the CLASS Act’s demise seems like a smarter and more responsible way to go.

      http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/realitybased_governing032842.php#

  34. 90 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    My goodness these people are fucking freakazoids. It’s a freak show I tells ya. They’re all nuts. Romney and Gingrich going back and forth about the individual mandate and bachmann begins yelling from the end of the line. “I will repeal Obamacare. Anderson!!!!!! I will repeal Obamacare.” Batshit crazy much?

  35. October 18, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Yeah.alright we are gonna repeal Heath care. Yay, yahoo.
    America the beautiful!

  36. 94 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    That is a big ole ring on Perry’s hand. Day-um!

  37. October 18, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    I’m sick of the ObamaCare bashing, so I’m showing my disdain by donating to OFA right NOW!!

  38. 97 hopefruit2
    October 18, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    FREAK SHOW.

    I’m ready to occupy the voting both to vote Obama/Biden 2012.

    Thanks all!

  39. 98 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Perry is an idiot. Anderson asked him about the fact that TX has crappy healthcare in terms of crappy insurance. Perry responds by saying that TX shares a border with Mexico and the border is so wide open due to Fed Govt failure that illegals are coming to TX and stealing jobs. How high is Perry?

  40. 99 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Romney is an asshole…never saw it until today.

  41. 100 hopefruit2
    October 18, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Romney clearly brought a “Romney cheerleader squad” to this debate. That is so obvious and TACKY too.

  42. 101 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Romney and Perry going back and forth like kids throwing a tantrum. Apparently the company Romney hired to mow his lawns had illegals mowing his lawn while he was running for President. Romney says he told the company and they said they fired the illegals. Romney continued using the company and then other illegals were found mowing his lawn again. Perry called him out. ReallY??!! Romney. Hypocrite.

  43. 102 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Romney is kinda kicking Perry’s ass. Treating Perry as though he’s got a few marbles missing. :lol:

  44. October 18, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Have just tuned in.. in time to hear Perry call Romney a liar.. then Caine explain his ‘electrified fence’.. it’s obviously hate night on ‘immigrants’.

  45. October 18, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    oh and Fuck Michele Bachmann’s lies about POTUS.

  46. 106 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    WTF???? Michelle Bachman is obsessed with the president. His uncle and aunt are illegal….and this has to do with the president’s immigration policy, how?

    • October 18, 2011 at 8:50 pm

      Michele wants to LOCK US IN> bet on it.

    • 108 desertflower
      October 18, 2011 at 8:54 pm

      I think Michelle actually has the hots for PBO….like a grade school kid makes fun of someone they really like? She’s bizarre. Does anyone take her seriously? Hey Michelle! How come you missed SO MANY VOTES THIS YEAR???? Are we paying you for NOT doing your job? Freeloader.

  47. 109 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    This bitch Bachmann did not just disparage PBO in such an obnoxious manner. She said that the person with immigration problem is PBO who has an illegal aunt and uncle living in the US. She’ll build a double wall to keep illegals out. She’ll build the double fence around all the borders. Stupid moron. She’ll make english the official language.

  48. 116 P
    October 18, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Okay I am convinced Michele Bachman has a “thing” for Obama. Everytime she opens her mouth Obama’s name is called. What’s her fucking problem? Sorry Bachmann you’re the wrong MicheLe!!!!!!!!

  49. 118 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Yeah, Romney is the fave with this crowd…

  50. 119 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Ok. Romney had to pay some people in the audience. Even when he makes moronic comments they applaud him and only him. :roll:

  51. 123 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Perry is Palin part deux. He just told Anderson that Anderson may ask the questions, but he, Perry will answer in whatever manner he so chooses. Even if it doesn’t have anything to do with the question.

    Oh shit!…….. Santorum is in the debate?

  52. October 18, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Hmmm. I think Lawrence has a crush on FLOTUS :oops:

    • October 18, 2011 at 9:06 pm

      Why do you say that PJ? Is he saying something on us show about FLOTUS?

      • October 18, 2011 at 9:22 pm

        He’s going on and on about how much of an asset she is to PBO. He said he saw her in a campaign event back in 2008 somewhere in L.A. and that she was by far the most impressive spouse of all the candidates that year, and perhaps EVER. They played a clip of Anita Perry for comparison’s sake and he said he couldn’t see how any of the current candidates’ spouses could compare to Michelle.

        He was gushing :-).

    • 129 hopefruit2
      October 18, 2011 at 9:08 pm

      Yes he does. He went after some media person (I can’t remember who) with a venom after they had criticized FLOTUS…I don’t recall seeing him so angry…

  53. 131 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Ron Paul says he will repeal Obamacare and his healthcare plan is taking government care out of every health insurance program. The crowd cheered. I saw a bunch of old people cheering too. Those morons forget that they’re on Medicare. A Government run healthcare system!

    • October 18, 2011 at 9:18 pm

      I’m forever amazed, ut, by the republicans who think that the destructive policies of the GOP pols won’t affect them. Unless they’re independently wealthy, they WILL need that Medicare and Social Security. This cheering for Ron Paul’s going nowhere idea reminds me of how surprised the majority of Americans were when PBO revealed that “Wonder Boy” Paul Ryan’s plan would eliminate Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, and reward private health insurance companies with millions of new customers who could then charge struggling elderly persons over $6,000 more a year for health insurance. I’ve noticed, ut, that many on the right operate at a visceral level, facts be dammmmmmmmnnnnnnnn! They don’t need no stinking facts.

  54. 133 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Gosh…I remember when Perry first announced he was running. Now, he looks so stiff and aged.

  55. 134 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Platitudes left and right. My GOD! Repeal this, reform that, let the market do its thing, grow the economy – NO SPECIFICS. These folks will do nothing as president except cut shit folks need.

  56. 137 hopefruit2
    October 18, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    What the H…is michele Bachaman saying? sheesh!

  57. 138 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Michelle Backman is off the chain. What was that riff about mom’s losing their homes? And again – President Obama bashing.

  58. 139 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Bachmann is like Elizabeth Hasselbitch from The View. Everything is President Obama’s fault. Everything. Her batshit craziness is also his fault. :roll:

    • October 18, 2011 at 9:14 pm

      Instead of hitting her rivals, she decide to run against PBO. That’s why she is irrelevant at this point. Her 15 minutes are over. She should accept it and stop wasting money.

    • 141 anniebella
      October 19, 2011 at 5:17 am

      It’s time for the man to speak up, it’s time for Marcus to tell Michele to put an end to it, she has had her 15 minutes of shame. Come on home honey I need you., he need to tell her, plus you ain’t going to win.

  59. October 18, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Ron Paul dying to be President of a govt he hates and wants to put an end to.

    • 143 vero804
      October 18, 2011 at 9:20 pm

      That’s the Republican mindset in a nutshell. Run the very enterprise they have no faith in and seek to minimize to the point of irrelevancy. This is why I cannot support a real Medicare for All system. When 1/2 the country in any given election cycle, shows a willingness to vote for candidates who do not believe in the government, how can we have a rational national health care system? That system will be constantly under attack, constantly undermined, and therefore not as efficient as it could be.

      Seems to me that in countries like Canada and England, there is a BASIC agreement amongst the most of the population, regardless of party, that the everyone should have health insurance, and that the government should be involved on some level. We don’t even have that basic agreement in amongst a broad amount of the people.

  60. 144 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Romney is such a coward. First he calls OWS a class warfare against the rich. Then the next day he flip flops and says he’s for the 99%. Anderson just asked him about his flip flopping and he blames PBO for the economy and for OWS. Because we all know PBO is the cause of his multiple choice ways. :roll: Anderson didn’t even call him out for his lies and for dodging the question.

    • 145 hopefruit2
      October 18, 2011 at 9:21 pm

      Clearly, this debate was designed to help Romney get into the lead….that much was obvious. The pre-debate Romney fellatio session, the cheerleaders in the audience, the ass-kissing by Anderson…

      • 146 vero804
        October 18, 2011 at 9:26 pm

        I agree. And now Romney is saying that Perry’s apology for the reverend friend of his, is “fine.” Entitled much, Willard?

  61. 147 Bobfr
    October 18, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    In short, these are vile people. It is our duty to protect our Nation from them. Period.

    #OccupyTheVote

    #PRESSON

  62. 148 P
    October 18, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Romney said PBO doesn’t have a jobs plan and doesn’t know how to solve the economic problems….that was the biggest lie coming from that A**holes mouth!!!!!

  63. 149 hopefruit2
    October 18, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    ROMNEY IS A RED-FACED LIAR!

  64. 150 halo
    October 18, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    This is pathetic. Mitt Romney lies

  65. October 18, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    Hint: everybody is going for romneys number 2.
    He has this won, and they are just not trying to piss him off!
    Ron Paul pandering to OWS. He does not believe they should give money to people to avoid foreclosures, that is crap.
    Everything else is poppycock.

    • 152 vero804
      October 18, 2011 at 9:23 pm

      I definitely think Cain is running for something other than president too. Not so sure about the rest of them. They all have odd agendas, for sure.

  66. 153 desertflower
    October 18, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    That’s interesting. What has the President been out talking about on that bus from CANADA??? This should prove to normal people what an idiot rat liar he is….

  67. October 18, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    OMG, you guys have strong stomachs to be watching this clown show. I have enjoyed you commentary and following on twitter. I love you all!

  68. 157 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Did Anderson just ask “Is that acceptable to you, Mitt” when the others answered about the slam against Romney for being Mormon by that reverend? Soft ball.

  69. October 18, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    ok. For some fucking reason cnn (international) is showing this freakshow live in India. Just tuned in to hear these nutjobs tallking about how your faith will decide what kinda prez you will be. Moved on to BBC.

    • 159 desertflower
      October 18, 2011 at 9:29 pm

      Are you kidding???Your faith shouldn’t have ANYTHING to do with what kind of President you’d be…that’s a little point they ALL seem to miss!

    • October 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm

      oh,one more thing – ‘herb’ cain isn’t flavor of the week apparently anymore. He is stuck at the left next to that crazee uncle paul

  70. 161 P
    October 18, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    MICHELE, OBAMA DOESN’T LIKE YOU GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t like calling women th ‘B’ word but she is pushing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  71. 169 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    I freaking dislike Bachmann. She’s a borderline maniac. She’s castigating PBO for sending troops to Africa to protect people from the LRA. Does she know who the LRA is? and what they’ve done? They say they’re the Lord’s army (effing liars) and they kill people, brutally mutilate them, rape women and young girls, recruit young children into the inhumane war. And she castigates PBO for sending troops to help people. This woman is stupid.

  72. October 18, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    This is rich:

    Mika brezinski brother mark just got confirmed as ambassador to Sweden!

    Hmmmm!

    • 172 utaustinliberal
      October 18, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      Meanwhile Mika acts all mealy mouthed and lets Joe verbally abuse her day after day and bash PBO with lies. Then she joins him also. She’s an embarassment to women all over the world.

    • 173 desertflower
      October 18, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      Hopefully, he’ll take after is dad, and NOT his sister.

  73. 174 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    I could see Rick Santorum’s face in one of those new cartoons like Megamind.

  74. 175 Ladyhawke
    October 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    STICK A FORK IN “9-9-9″

    Jared Bernstein is on Rachel Maddow right now eviscerating the Herman Cain 999 Plan. He points to a Tax Policy Report that is devastating.

    9-9-9: The Most Massively Regressive Redistribution of Taxes Ever Seriously Considered

    The Tax Policy Center’s analysis of candidate Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is out and man, it provides us with an embarrassment of riches in terms of which data to feature.
    .
    .
    Conclusions:

    –to implement the 9-9-9 plan would truly be the most dramatic and regressive shifting of the tax burden in the history of our nation;

    –based on this policy, Herman Cain’s campaign is deeply out of touch with the challenges facing the American middle class;

    –the Koch brothers may view these results as showing what smart investors they are, but I think they’ve overreached.

    http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/9-9-9-the-most-massive-redistribution-of-taxes-ever-seriously-considered/

  75. 177 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Romney only looks good only because his competition are jokes.

  76. 179 Ladyhawke
    October 18, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Michele (with one L) Bachmann. A human gaffe machine.

    From Think Progress:

    9:28: Bachmann: Obama “put us in Libya, and now he’s putting us in Africa.” Libya is, in fact, in Africa.

  77. 182 Insomniac
    October 18, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Saw this really cool tool from OFA: https://www.gopdebatewatch.com/

    A neat way to donate some money to the Obama Reelection campaign based on how often the Republican contenders use certain words tonight. I’m hoping OFA will have this up for all the upcoming Republican debates!

  78. 184 vero804
    October 18, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Michelle is stuck on our president something fierce!

  79. 186 utaustinliberal
    October 18, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Romney is an idiot. He would get rid of Medicaid and hand the system to the states. So they can fuck up peoples lives even more.

    Paul wants to cut off foreign aid, which isn’t even 1% of the federal budget. Because he believes foreign aid money is taken from poor people in American and given to rich people in Pakistan, Asia, Africa and other “rich” nations. How foolish is he?

  80. 187 Dave
    October 18, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    I LOVE you folks, I really do! WE’RE GOING TO WIN!!

    (Except shrub was awarded the office. John Kerry lost. Nixon was elected TWICE.)

    No, our man is the best ever. WE’RE GOING TO WIN!!!!

  81. October 18, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo sentiment index climbed to 18, the highest level since May 2010, the Washington-based group reported yesterday.
    “Some good data flow in the past 24 hours helped support markets, as has profit reporting in the banking sector,” said Stephen Halmarick, Sydney-based head of investment markets research at Colonial First State Global Asset Management, which oversees about $145 billion. “Worries about Europe are likely to persist ahead of the weekend European leaders’ meeting.”

    Bloomberg-


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