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rise and shine (except you, rick perry – stay in bed)

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Jonathan Bernstein (Washington Post): What can you say about a debate in which one candidate had perhaps the worst moment ever in a presidential debate – Rick Perry’s brain freeze about the third of the three government agencies he wants to eliminate – and he didn’t even give the most embarrassing performance?

No, that would be Herman Cain …. after dragging American political rhetoric to a new low, referring to the House Minority Leader and a former speaker as “Princess Nancy,” it’s about time that Cain was called to account for insulting the American people and the political process for the farce that he’s engaging in….

Full post here

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Paul Begala: The only knockout punch in the CNBC debate was the one Rick Perry administered to himself. His tiny Texas Aggie brain froze when he tried to repeat his talking point about the three federal agencies he would close …. I have never seen a more devastating moment of self-destruction. What’s next, Perry endorsing Cain’s 9-9…ummm, what’s the third number?

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Michael Tomasky: Barack Obama is winning the Rust Belt back. The overwhelming repeal in Ohio of Governor John Kasich’s anti-labor bill from last year shows that the GOP has gone way, way too far—too far for Democrats, obviously, but also for independents. It shows the potential for something else, too: the populist message can stick. “Class warfare” can work. It can take hold even with the people who allegedly despise our Kenyan leader the most: the white working class. And if this turns out to be right, then the Washington conventional wisdom will be proven as wrong as it’s been since 1998, when the Cokie Roberts caucus convinced itself that the American people wanted to throw Bill Clinton out of the White House over Monica.

…. If Romney is going to be the Republican standard bearer, is this really the right time for a nominee who’s worth $250 million and is going to be walking around talking about lower taxes on everyone, including the rich, and who presumably pays at the 15 percent rate, since most of his income is from capital gains and not compensation?

Full article here

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Washington Post: Reggie Love, a key member of the Obama entourage, is planning to leave the White House by the end of the year, people close to the administration said.

Love, 30, is a popular, gregarious figure in the White House. A onetime forward for the Duke Blue Devils basketball team, Love started out as a staff assistant in Obama’s Senate office after college, rising to become his personal assistant, known as the “body man.”

Full article here (Reggie Love photos here)

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Last night:

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Gallup

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Morning everyone ;-)


206 Responses to “rise and shine (except you, rick perry – stay in bed)”


  1. 1 symmetry11
    November 10, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Good morning all ~

    I want Reggie to stay! :(

  2. 8 ChristiMtl
    November 10, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Good morning Chips and TOD’ers

    I just read all the comments in the previous thread. I’m glad I’m not the only one who can’t stand Jon Stewart.
    I never watch him anymore but I did last night to see Nancy Pelosi. He was such a jerk with her.

    I was thinking about Lawrence O’Donnell, I don’t always agree with him and sometimes I get frustrated if he has a guest like Bill Maher on and just let him spew his lies….but in general he is pretty good and I never feel that he dislike President Obama.

    On the other end, I put Jon Stewart in the same category as Rachel Maddow. You just know that it’s personal for them. It’s like a vendetta. They have a profound dislike of the President, if not hatred.

    That’s why they are on my boycott list.

    To think that they were both my favorite before, I never missed their shows.

    I am so sad about Reggie Love leaving!! Sigh….

    • November 10, 2011 at 8:30 am

      Is Jon Stewart an orthodox Jew? That may be your answer!

      • 10 proudmemberofglobalzero
        November 10, 2011 at 8:42 am

        Jovie….trying to be nice here but, your comment is really offensive.

        Shalom,
        Soshana

      • 16 Jessica
        November 10, 2011 at 8:58 am

        He’s not orthodox but he does practice. Stewart is a libertarian not a Dem or even a liberal.

      • 24 isonprize
        November 10, 2011 at 10:09 am

        Jovie. That’s just wrong.

        Offensive on so many levels. You bring great information, but it is opinions like this that make me wonder about the source of your motivation.

        RESPECT. EMPOWER. INCLUDE.

        That is the motto of the 2012 Obama/Biden campaign. Your comment here is hateful, disrespectful, mean and very, very small. I am embarrassed for you.

        • 25 JojoRaze
          November 10, 2011 at 10:20 am

          Cosigning Ison. Jovie brings really great substantial news links to the forum but her assertion that Jon Stewart is a jerk because of his religion is just WRONG. Jon Stewart is a jerk towards Nancy Pelosi and President Obama because he’s a hater who thought PBO was going to work miracles and because he thought Pelosi and the president should have stood up for Weiner. David Axelrod is Jewish and a steadfast supporter of the president. There are also numerous Jewish people in the president’s administration who love and support him.

          You need to apologize to all the Jewish readers and the non-Jewish ones who were offended by these hateful remarks. What made it even worse was when you said your sister-in-law was Jewish. How’s that different when white people say offensive things about black people and then say “some of my best friends are black”? Own that what you said was dumb and never do it again.

    • November 10, 2011 at 8:34 am

      Btw: his real name is Jon liebowitz!

      • 27 desertflower
        November 10, 2011 at 9:40 am

        Please stop. Just stop.

      • 28 Anya
        November 10, 2011 at 10:21 am

        What does that have to do with anything? People who connect set of facts that have nothing to do with one another (i.e., he was a roommate of Anthony Wiener’s college roommate, and Wiener won the Jewish orthodox vote, ergo…..). Actually I am not sure what link you’re trying to make. But your comments reek of anti-Semitism.

      • 29 isonprize
        November 10, 2011 at 10:27 am

        JOVIE. STOP. JUST STOP.

        What does his name have to do with anything? What is WRONG? There must be something going on.

        I wondered why Chica banned you before. I guess I don’t have to wonder anymore. WOW, just wow.

        Please stop spewing such hateful, mean words.

        This is a place of peace, hope and love.

        JOViE, PLEASE STOP!

  3. November 10, 2011 at 8:16 am

    cain’s latest bl(i)ond date ?

    /repost

  4. 32 utaustinliberal
    November 10, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Morning Chips and TODers. I saw the Reggie news on twitter. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I’m sad. I wish him goodluck in his future endeavors but I selfishly want him to stay. We’re all so invested in the Obama Presidency so by default we’re invested in the people who keep the engine humming and the wheel turning and we miss them dearly when they leave. :(

    On the good news front; I smell 2012 on the way TODers. I just saw my first Priorities USA TV Ad about how President Obama is helping college kids with their student loans so they don’t go bankrupt earning an education. It was f*king BRILLIANT! Had me cheering at the end of the ad. It was well organized, well thought out, and hit home with a simple message: The one person who is and has always been on your side; is President Obama. The ad wasn’t cheesy at all so that was an extra plus. Yay Bill Burton!!!!! Our ads are going to be home runs come 2012. I can’t wait! :D

  5. 38 Fred
    November 10, 2011 at 8:17 am

    good morning TOD family.

    • November 10, 2011 at 8:22 am

      Good morning. Just thought I’d let you all know I saw my first anti Obama ad on tv this morning. It’s playing in the Philadelphia market. It’s called “two presidents” and shows Clinton saying this is not the time to raise taxes and a few more of his “helpful” comments. Then it shows Pres. Obama touting the Am.Jobs act but only the part where he says “raise taxes and pass this bill over and over. It’s an ad from the Crossroads group. You can see how snippets of words are taken and presented to the dumb electorate. Hopefully there will be a counter. It’s going to be a long, nasty year.

      • 40 Jessica
        November 10, 2011 at 8:32 am

        I’ve seen an attack over Solyndra a few times already. There are so many days when I think this God-forsaken country doesn’t deserve Obama and I would be just fine if the country would stupidly elect Romney as President. He could go back to Chicago and watch his girls grow in peace and without aging a mile a minute :).

      • November 10, 2011 at 8:42 am

        They are just trying to make the dnc respond and waste their money. They don’t want them organizing.
        Rnc and Karl rove are top down media driven, meanwhile, we are building strong state by state ground game!
        Keep donating- they hate it!

      • 43 SueBee
        November 10, 2011 at 9:50 am

        I am not too worried about those ads. The GOP debates gave the Obama team enough ammunition to roll out their own. Just give them time.

      • 44 prettyfoot58
        November 10, 2011 at 10:04 am

        Yeesssssssssss…i saw that yesterday morning….what a thing to see before my morning coffee…

  6. 45 Brittany
    November 10, 2011 at 8:19 am

    I saw on MSNBC that Herman Cain is basically threatening his accusers that have not come out, and drudgereport is posting their addresses or something like that. Herman Cain has problems with women.

  7. 49 Brian
    November 10, 2011 at 8:20 am

    I just have 3 things to say to Rick Perry… Give up, go home, and… and… um… Oops.

  8. 51 Brittany
    November 10, 2011 at 8:22 am

    The funniest part of the debate last night for me was “General Axelrod.”

    • 52 Obama Grandmama
      November 11, 2011 at 2:08 am

      I was actually bothered that David Axelrod was called General by MIchele Bachmann and thought it was on parr with Herman Cain calling Nancy Pelosi Princess instead of speaker. I thought it deserved as much criticism.

  9. 53 Ladyhawke
    November 10, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Rick Perry Crashes And Burns: 5 Reasons To Be Glad You Skipped The CNBC Debate

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/cnbc-debate

  10. November 10, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Good Morning, Everyone :)

  11. November 10, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Reggie Love, Obama ‘body man,’ to leave White House by year’s end
    By Anne E. Kornblut, Published: November 9

    Reggie Love, a key member of the Obama entourage, is planning to leave the White House by the end of the year, people close to the administration said.

    Love, 30, is a popular, gregarious figure in the White House. A onetime forward for the Duke Blue Devils basketball team, Love started out as a staff assistant in Obama’s Senate office after college, rising to become his personal assistant, known as the “body man.”

    Love’s exit comes at a time of transition for the administration: several longtime advisers have left over the last year, in keeping with the time-honored tradition that close aides do not abandon the president immediately before an election. But Love’s position may be among the most difficult for Obama to fill.

    Obama has described Love as “the person who keeps me on schedule.” But like many young loyalists on the Obama staff, Love has evolved into a much more important role over time, acting as a gatekeeper and a liaison – and basketball buddy. Obama once described him as a “little brother.” Among the recognizable members of the Obama team in public – he is a towering 6-foot-4 — Love is also a constant presence in the West Wing and by the president’s side during every trip away from home. He is in the background of countless official photos, even if he rarely speaks in a public setting, apart from the occasional interview on ESPN.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/reggie-love-obama-body-man-to-leave-white-house-by-years-end/2011/11/09/gIQAvjU06M_story.html?hpid=z3

    • 56 TrumpDog
      November 10, 2011 at 9:15 am

      a key member of the Obama entourage,

      “Entourage”?
      What an odd choice of a word.

      • 57 Fred
        November 10, 2011 at 9:26 am

        folks like her have used “posse” when discussing Love as well.You know rappers have entourages and posse’s so hey the POTUS is black (well half) but it fits her to say entourage

        • 58 edp4bho
          November 10, 2011 at 10:29 am

          en·tou·rage   /ˌɑntʊˈrɑʒ/ noun

          1.a group of attendants or associates, as of a person of rank or importance: The opera singer traveled with an entourage of 20 people.

          The word is not an insult. Reggie does travel with him, along with all the others that accompany him on a regular basis, i.e. Valerie Jarrett, and his trip coordinator (forget his name off the top of my head), Pete Souza, etc. Come on guys, lighten up a bit. :-D

  12. November 10, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Sorry folks for repeating this post of mine from the bottom last thread”

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    PERSUADING A FICKLE ELECTORATE

    Folks,
    We have a LOT of work to do in the public persuasion department.. I too was wonderfully pleased by Tuesday’s election results. Yet further reflection revealed something cautionary to me. The electorate overwhelmingly sided with our IDEAS but that did not translate into eager support for Democratic candidates (with a few exceptions like the Democratic massacre of the GOP slate in Kentucky; an outcome to which I happily contributed with my vote in KY. :) ).

    The electorate came out full force to reject Repug policies particularly if they were taking SOMETHING AWAY from the electorate. The electorate reacted exactly as a cornered animal would, and lashed out hard to protect what they had already lost (as in worker rights through the passage of SB 5 in Ohio, and voting rights in Maine) or feared losing (as in reproductive health options in MS). The Mississippi bifurcated vote illustrates my point. Bible belt conservatives voted massively to protect their reproductive choices but still voted massively for the architect of the same “Personhood” bill they simultaneously rejected. It says they don’t mind supporting the Repug candidate even if they reject their ideas.

    Sadly, the electorate does not give Democratic candidates similar benefit of the doubt. Look at how NY punished Democrats for Weiner’s scandal. This hesitation from the electorate to fully embrace Democratic candidates along with OUR IDEAS is the Gordian Knot we Democrats have to work hard to turn around. We have to admit that the American electorate has been conditioned through decades of rightwing propaganda to feel a “natural affinity and subconscious comfort” for conservative worldviews and politicians. Repugs are packaged and presented to “feel right” to Americans.

    But Democrats are kept warily at arms length even as their ideas are grudgingly acknowledged as being RIGHT. Democrats are welcomed to “fix” things that go awry, but they must be watched like hawks and kicked to the curb if they don’t do it fast enough or “feel” Repug-like enough. Why this absence of sustainable love? Since the 1960s, Democrats have not been able to saturate the zeitgeist with our worldview enough to make it the default option for the wingnut propagandized American electorate. So our Democratic politicians often have no “air cover” and message amplification zones within which to operate. Democrats often get no second chances, or even extended patience to fix the problems.

    So then, our job as liberal activists is to work on the electorate everyday, not just election season. Our liberal billionaires need to endlessly fund and saturate the system with liberalese just as the Kochs have spread their cancerous ideas from academia to the ball field. This is a war to persuade hearts and minds of Americans. Senate candidate Obama’s 2004 speech launched this game of positive persuasion from our side and it scared the wingnut powers. But now in governing mode, Pres. Obama finds the reach of his persuasive skills severely blocked at every turn by the right and the media. Thus our work on the outside is even more imperative now. We must be relentless even after we win battles. Kasich et al are not backing down. They will morph their venal policies into saccharine pablum similar to what Daniels is doing in Indiana. We cannot simply count on Tuesday’s electoral anger to be there next year. We got work to do!

    • November 10, 2011 at 8:41 am

      zizi,

      thanks so much for this. I didn’t see this last night. I’m definitely feeling you all the way. you, as usual, are absolutely on point.

    • 61 L3
      November 10, 2011 at 9:52 am

      Zizi, if you get a chance, read my response on the last thread.

    • 65 JoJothecat
      November 10, 2011 at 10:10 am

      Agreed, those that vote democratic feel they should get EVERYTHING or they don’t deserve a 2nd chance or they don’t bother to vote AGAIN, thinking they did their duty and can go back to doing nothing. Dems need to keep active all year round, constantly keeping in touch and keeping people engaged.

  13. November 10, 2011 at 8:34 am

    thanks for the video of the POTUS from last night.

  14. November 10, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Weekly jobless claims way down- 390k, trade deficit lowered as well, inflation remains the same.

  15. November 10, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Good morning, TODville.

    Here is a transcript of yesterday’s off-camera briefing with Jay previewing the President’s upcoming trip to Asia-Pacific region (Hawaii, Indonesia and Australia):

    http://govne.ws/item/Press-Briefing-Previewing-the-President-s-Trip-to-Hawaii-Australia-and-Indonesia-11-9-2011

    Lots of detail and you can see he’s going to be very, very, very busy. As usual.

  16. November 10, 2011 at 8:39 am

    I still have to LOL about Perry. he is soooo not ready for primetime.

  17. November 10, 2011 at 8:44 am

    I’m so sad about Reggie. He’s such a trusted part of PBO’s team. And he’s such a sweet, sweet person. I’m very curious about what his next move is but no info yet. I wish him the very, very best. {{{{sniffles}}}} I of course think a team of TODers should be considered as his replacement. I think about 4 – 6 of us could handle the regimen. Maybe 8.

    • 75 ChristiMtl
      November 10, 2011 at 8:49 am

      lol I can just imagine any of you guys as the personal assistant of President Obama.

      • November 10, 2011 at 8:53 am

        Yes, Christi. I unselfishly volunteer to go first. You know, pave the way and sort things out.

        • 77 ChristiMtl
          November 10, 2011 at 8:56 am

          Haha Meta, do you think you would be effective? No drooling or anything? lol…..Me I would need smelling salts to prevent fainting.

          Mmmm I wonder who’s going to replace him though, any idea?

          • November 10, 2011 at 9:06 am

            I know I would have no problem serving our President as he deems necessary. I’m very organized, good with paper and those large black binder clips, excellent rustling the press. I’m good at prying children and stray women loose and have no problem carrying an assortment of ties. I enjoy toting bags and books and would probably switch POTUS off the Purell and onto the Burt’s Bees hand sanitizer. I’m also an expert in pie.

        • 80 desertflower
          November 10, 2011 at 9:45 am

          OH no you didn’t!!! I volunteered to take that job! :)

          • November 10, 2011 at 9:48 am

            desertflower, you’ve got to get up earlier if you want to be in service to the President. But I promise we’ll take your application into consideration.

  18. 82 sexyblackdiamond
    November 10, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Chipsticks I love this blog. I normally just lurk but I wanted to step out and really commend you for all that you do. I can’t describe how much I enjoy all that you provide, as well as the fabulous people you have attracted.

    • 83 ChristiMtl
      November 10, 2011 at 9:25 am

      I’m glad you love this blog sexyblackdiamond

      Welcome :)

    • 84 desertflower
      November 10, 2011 at 9:50 am

      Welcome! We’re quite the crew….if I may be bold…..just like I asked bizgirl yesterday…what state do you live in? We need everyone ALL IN on the state level to get the facts out…in your local newspaper blogs, your local TV blogs, etc….so many people are being let down by the ineptness of the media to do their jobs….can you join us?

      What is Working has the info on her blog….Chips has the link on her blogroll…>>>>>> I’m really pushing this local idea. I think the more we get the facts out and push back against the outright lies and smears on a local level, the better. You in??

      So glad that you’re not a lurker anymore :) glad you’re here.

    • 85 57andFemale
      November 10, 2011 at 9:56 am

      Welcome! Feel free to speak up more often and join the fun.

  19. 86 Ladyhawke
    November 10, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Will the GOP Ever Admit Healthcare Reform is Constitutional?

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    Republicans have been working against what they call Obamacare – more properly known as the Affordable Care Act or ACA – since 2008. The Republican Party and base hate the idea of anyone outside of rich people having healthcare and against anyone but senators and representatives having socialized healthcare. It makes no sense on logical grounds but conservatism isn’t about what makes sense; it’s not about reality or our interactions with it. It is all about ideology.

    Time and again efforts to have healthcare reform struck down in courts have failed. As AmericanProgress reported in January, “Nearly three dozen judges have now considered challenges to the landmark Affordable Care Act and the overwhelming majority of these cases have been dismissed. “
    .
    .
    Jessica Pieklo writes on Care2:

    What is deceptively brilliant about Silberman’s opinion is that it returns common sense to a conservative read of the Constitution and to the understanding of the interplay between individual liberty and the necessary functions of governments. That today’s conservative movement won’t be able to see that, or are politically unable to concede such a point, shows just how intellectually bankrupt the movement has become.

    She is entirely right. Every 2012 Republican candidate has made abolition of the Affordable Care Act a cornerstone of their campaign.

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    http://www.politicususa.com/en/will-the-gop-ever-admit-healthcare-reform-is-constitutional

  20. November 10, 2011 at 8:50 am

    AP BREAKING: Trade deficit drops to $43.1B, lowest point in 9 months, as exports climb to record high.

    Trade Rep Kirk is doing an outstanding job.

  21. November 10, 2011 at 8:56 am

    November 10, 2011 8:00 AM

    The ‘oops’ heard ‘round the world

    By Steve Benen

    Some debate screw-ups are so memorable, they practically become iconic. Gerald Ford claiming there was “no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe,” Dan Quayle comparing himself to JFK, and James Stockdale asking who he is and what he’s doing there were all pretty unforgettable.

    And it looks like Rick Perry joined them last night. In the unlikely event you haven’t already seen the Texas governor’s brain freeze, here’s the clip:

    Perry’s answer was going reasonably well right up until he started listing the “three agencies of government … that are gone” under a Perry administration. Commerce was first, education was second, and then the governor simply couldn’t think of a third.

    As Perry struggled, Mitt Romney chimed in, trying to give him a hand, asking if EPA was the third. The Texan vowed to “rebuild” the EPA, but said that wasn’t it.

    After trying and failing several more times to list them, Perry could only name education, then remembered commerce while checking his notes. Pressed by John Harwood for the rest of his list, the governor concluded, “The third one, I can’t. Sorry. Oops.”

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/the_oops_heard_round_the_world033399.php

  22. November 10, 2011 at 8:59 am

    November 10, 2011 8:35 AM
    Cain points to his non-harassment ratio
    By Steve Benen

    Herman Cain was awfully lucky last night. Were it not for Rick Perry’s “oops” moment, much of the political world’s discussion today would be over his own remarkably bad debate performance. For example, Cain was asked about the sexual-harassment allegations that have surfaced over the last couple of weeks. It led to this remark:


    “I value my character and my integrity more than anything else. And for every one person that comes forward with a false accusation, there are probably, there are thousands who would say none of that sort of activity ever came from Herman Cain.”

    This was probably a prepared line, and that only makes it worse. Is Cain really counting on his harassment-to-non-harassment ratio to make himself look better? “Sure,” he seemed to be saying, “I’ve been accused by several women. But there are plenty of women who haven’t accused me.”

    It’s a bit like an accused car thief telling the police, “Just think about all the cars I came across that I didn’t steal.”

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/cain_points_to_his_nonharassme033400.php

  23. November 10, 2011 at 9:03 am

    November 10, 2011
    The GOP’s ‘Breaking Bad,’ again

    Is it too terribly hyperbolic to characterize last night’s debate as an atrocity? For probably most of us watching, the collective horror was an abomination; an assault on even the commonest intellect; a full-scale, overcompensating offensive against rhetorical blandness, so that one could break out to challenge the party’s Inevitable One. It was, perhaps, the most painful political experience of my adult life.

    Though suffering through it alone, I actually found myself facepalming on rather frequent occasion. It was like watching a platoon of Mister Rogerses on high-quality crack, machine-gunning an innocent national audience with malice and aforethought. I was embarrassed for the Republican Party’s unmistakable Faustian corruption and self-inflicted dementia; I was embarrassed for America — embarrassed as an American.

    http://pmcarpenter.blogs.com/p_m_carpenters_commentary/2011/11/the-gops-breaking-bad-again.html

  24. November 10, 2011 at 9:06 am

    50 Years of Foreclosure
    Posted on 11/09/2011 at 4:45 pm by JM Ashby
    From the department of “Holy Shit.”

    A new USA Today report suggests the consequences of the Bush “Ownership Society” and Wall Street’s mortgage-backed security scam could be with us for many years. Perhaps even 50.

    USA Today reports on new research that reveals the extent of the foreclosure crisis. The current pace of foreclosure sales in half the states is so slow that it will take more than eight years in most places to clear the backlog. According to LPS Applied Analytics, it could take states like New York and New Jersey at least 50 years at their current pace to clear the pipelines. Nationwide, there are 2.1 million homes in foreclosure or with seriously delinquent mortgages. The crippling backlog illustrates the continuing impact of the nation’s worst housing-market collapse, which “is likely to weigh on real estate prices in many markets for years to come.”

    http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2011/11/50-years-of-foreclosure.html

  25. November 10, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Report: Mitt Romney Is The Most Radical GOP Presidential Candidate On Mass Deportations |

    ThinkProgress guest bloggers Ann Garcia and Mayu Takeda compiled a lengthy and comprehensive list of each of the Republican presidential candidates’ stances on immigration. It includes some surprising details — including the fact that the supposedly moderate GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney is the only candidate to suggest that he supports mass deportation, so long as undocumented immigrants who have been in the United States for several years are given “enough time to organize their affairs and go home.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/11/09/365490/report-mitt-romney-is-the-most-radical-gop-presidential-candidate-on-mass-deportations/

  26. 96 hopefruit2
    November 10, 2011 at 9:14 am

    AP has an ode to Romney this morning saying titled “Romney Stronger than Ever” in GOP race. I think we need to stop focusing on Cain, Perry and Bachman (which the MSM, PL and GOP establishment want us to do), and start focusing more seriously on Romney and Huntsman. These are Wall St./Koch brothers establishment guys who will destroy the middle-class, increase the gap between the haves and have-nots while giving the appearance of being “sane.” Furthermore, they are fully supported by some in the media who pretend to be “liberal” (e.g., Jon Stewart, Michael Moore, Maddow, Huffington, Silver, Tweety, Fineman, etc) but are simply invested in another great white hope capitalist type being in the WH in 2012.

    • 97 ChristiMtl
      November 10, 2011 at 9:18 am

      I couldn’t agree with you more! Enough of this nonsense,

    • 98 Jessica
      November 10, 2011 at 9:24 am

      I think Maddow is liberal but she’s so liberal it clouds her judgement. She’s not pragmatic whatsoever and has no patience for the long game, only quick fixes. Basically a Clintonite. Remember when DADT failed and she said that the President should forget trying to pass it through the Senate and just sign an executive order. Yeah because when the next conservative, bigot President gets elected and overturns it then what. She’s weak, no heart or spine. She would have exploded during the 1960’s Civil Rights Movement and so would a lot of these so called liberals who don’t have the endurance to get back up when they are knocked down.

    • 99 JoJothecat
      November 10, 2011 at 10:22 am

      You can add Newtered Grinch to the list, he’s moving up in the polls. The south will vote for Newtie not Flipper.

      • 100 utaustinliberal
        November 10, 2011 at 10:26 am

        Okay that just made crack up. “Newtered.” BWAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol:

      • 101 hopefruit2
        November 10, 2011 at 11:24 am

        Mankini might be moving up but it won’t be long before the GOP establishment figures that he just has too much baggage to make it in a general election.

    • 102 nathkatun7
      November 10, 2011 at 4:49 pm

      Hopefruit2, as always, you are spot-on! Already the media is pushing Romney. It’s true some in the media want Huntsman but he is doing so poorly in the polls that they now he is going no where.

      • 103 Eleroy
        November 10, 2011 at 9:35 pm

        Agree with you and Hopefruit Nathkun7, but I would keep an eye on Jon Huntsman who is also the hot crush of many of the Professional Left.

        They rail against President Obama for not delivering PERFECT UTOPIA, but they are excited and swoon at just the slightest suggestion from Jon Huntsman that unlike his fellow republicans, he actually might believe in evolution and global warming—to some extent!!! Wow, what a concept!!!

        The crazy madness of this confused bunch only brings you right back to where we satrted: this is about finding their next great white hope!!!

        For the PL’s, the black guy was to be directed to do their bidding and if he even as much as deviated from THEIR approved list, scorn and disrespect, denigration and demeaning would be his lot!!!

        They cut everyone else slack: Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, even Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Christ Christie etc.

        They just have to mildly suggest – rhetorically – that they just might consider some random “moderate” stance on some random “moderate” issue and yippee, there’s their guy to take down imperfect President Obama who has not delivered every last inconsequential wish on their dream list!!!

  27. November 10, 2011 at 9:19 am

    November 10, 2011 9:10 AM

    ‘Steadiness and constancy’
    By Steve Benen

    Were it not for Rick Perry’s and Herman Cain’s bizarre remarks last night, I’d like to think Mitt Romney’s explanation on flip-flopping would be a bigger deal this morning.

    To his credit, John Harwood, one of the debate’s co-moderators, pressed the Republican frontrunner on “seeming to be on all sides” of some issues, adding, “Your opponents have said you switched positions on many issues.” Harwood ultimately asked, “What can you say to Republicans to persuade them that the things you say in the campaign are rooted in something deeper than the fact that you are running for office?”

    Romney replied:


    “I think people understand that I’m a man of steadiness and constancy. I don’t think you are going to find somebody who has more of those attributes than I do. I have been married to the same woman for 25 — excuse me, I will get in trouble, for 42 years.

    “I have been in the same church my entire life. I worked at one company, Bain, for 25 years. And I left that to go off and help save the Olympic Games. I think it is outrageous the Obama campaign continues to push this idea…. Let me tell you this, if I’m president of the United States, I will be true to my family, to my faith, and to our country, and I will never apologize for the United States of America.”

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/steadiness_and_constancy033401.php

    • 105 Ladyhawke
      November 10, 2011 at 9:41 am

      Steve Benen has a way with words. I just loved this….

      And just throwing in his lack of apologies for America reinforces the fact that

      ROMNEY IS JUST AS SHALLOW A SOUND-BITE-RECITING ROBOT

      as he seems.

      • 106 Lovepolitics2008
        November 10, 2011 at 11:52 am

        Indeed. This guy is the perfect candidate for the establishment. He would be a puppet in their hands. Wouldn’t ask any questions and would do what he’s told. They would just let him play the president, flatter his ego and make him believe he decides something, while the real governing would be assumed by some other people behind the scenes ( “advisors”, chief of staff, secretary of defense, etc…) .

    • 107 57andFemale
      November 10, 2011 at 10:03 am

      wow…… Just….wow……

  28. 109 proudmemberofglobalzero
    November 10, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Well everyone, have a great day. I loved this blog…not always posting but always reading. After Jovie insulted my faith and doubled down….I decided to leave. I am better with my feet hitting the pavement with the rest of my Jewish friends….getting out the vote. Please remember to work hard to GOTV. We are working hard to keep the Jewish vote with the President here in South Florida.

    Peace and Love,
    Sue

    • 110 Jessica
      November 10, 2011 at 9:29 am

      Good for you Sue. We’re going to need them to come out hard and heavy so we can win Florida. I know we can do it, I know we can!!

      • November 10, 2011 at 9:52 am

        With the outcome of his own reelection effort 14 difficult months away, President Obama suffered a sharp rebuke Tuesday when voters in New York elected a conservative Republican to represent a Democratic district that has not been in GOP hands since the 1920s.

        Bob Turner, the winner, cast the election as a referendum on Obama’s stewardship of the economy and, in the state’s Ninth Congressional District, which has a large population of Orthodox Jewish voters, the president’s position on Israel.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republican-wins-democratic-new-york-house-seat/2011/09/13/gIQAoos5QK_story.html

        South Florida are Not orthodox Jews!
        Btw- my sister is Jewish, I sometimes accompany her to the synagogue !
        I don’t like being called a bigot!
        Knock it off!

        • 112 Jessica
          November 10, 2011 at 10:30 am

          I’m guessing this comment isn’t directed towards me because I certainly didn’t call you a bigot.

        • 113 isonprize
          November 10, 2011 at 10:42 am

          Jovie,

          When you say hateful things like what you posted upthread, “bigot” does come to mind. It doesn’t feel good to be called names, does it? So you might consider that what you said was hurtful and mean-spirited to others. I’m not sure who, if anyone, called you a bigot, but since you mentioned it here…

          bigot [ˈbɪgət] noun. A person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race.

          RESPECT. EMPOWER. INCLUDE. Obama/Biden 2012

        • 114 57andFemale
          November 10, 2011 at 10:51 am

          Jovie, as a Jew I understood your comment. Orthodox Jews by and large have become rabid right wingers and are no friend of the President, going so far as to vote for Israel’s (alleged) interests over the interests of the the U.S. I would say that an acceptance from both sides that Israel is not going away and the Palestinians are not going away, turning away from over a half century of violence and learning to work together and give the next generation a peaceful solution from which to build their lives, is in everyone’s best interest.

          The question about whether Jon Stewart was swayed by that was not bigoted, in my Jewish opinion.

          • 115 nathkatun7
            November 10, 2011 at 5:15 pm

            Thank you for your thoughtful and balanced comment. I think asking a question as to whether Jon Stewart’s seeming hatred of President Obama might be because he is an Orthodox Jew is reasonable. What is not reasonable is to assert, unequivocally, that Jon Stewart attitude towards the president is because he is an Orthodox Jew. Jovie’s comment came across as prejudiced against all Orthodox Jews. I hope Jovie takes a moment to reflect about how the comment was a hurtful because it was based on a broad generalization. just my two cents.

    • 116 Fred
      November 10, 2011 at 9:31 am

      welcome PMOGZ.Keep on working hard

    • 117 ChristiMtl
      November 10, 2011 at 9:32 am

      Oh no, I’m sorry about that proud! I didn’t want to start a controversy. I didn’t think of Jon Stewart’s religion at all, it didn’t cross my mind. I was thinking of his libertarian tendency, like Rachel. He does love Ron Paul.

      Please don’t go….

      • 118 hopefruit2
        November 10, 2011 at 9:42 am

        I think Proud was referring to Jovie’s comment, not you Christi.

      • 120 Anya
        November 10, 2011 at 10:39 am

        Rachel does not love Ron Paul. Did you forget her devastating interview with his son? Just because she’s impetuous sometimes and is ruled by her emotions rather than reason, does not mean she’s against the President, or that she’s not a liberal. Do you people even watch her show? She’s always championing liberal causes.

        Stop with the attacks on our allies and let’s focus on our real opponants – the wingnuts.

        • 121 L3
          November 10, 2011 at 6:52 pm

          You’re right she is a liberal, a PL liberal who hates PBO. It is possible to be both. She’s okay when she focuses on the Republican Crime Family but when she talks about PBO she is presumptuous in her analysis and I don’t like it or her.

        • 122 Eleroy
          November 10, 2011 at 9:40 pm

          Oh please Anya!!!

          Like clockwork, you always show up to defend your PL friends!!!

          “Stop with the attacks on our allies and let’s focus on our real opponants – the wingnuts.” I think that would be a thought you really should share with your PL friends!!!

    • November 10, 2011 at 9:46 am

      What are you talking about? You just want attention.
      I explained it up thread very clearly.

      Next?

    • 128 FiredUpInCA
      November 10, 2011 at 9:52 am

      Sue those comments were offensive and aren’t at all reflective of what this blog is about. I hope you will be back.

    • 129 lovingandlaughing
      November 10, 2011 at 9:52 am

      pmogz, very sorry to hear you are leaving. I feel very sad and embarrassed that that back and forth occurred here. my apologies to you. peace to you and thank you for working in support of the President.

      • November 10, 2011 at 9:56 am

        See, you guys ate immature, you fall for this all the time. Read the article I presented.
        Again, orthodox Jews are not liberals!
        This is crazy.
        Now I am out of here.
        You all love to jump on things that are not true!

        See ya!!!

        I got more important things to do then to argue with people who are trying to smear me!

    • November 10, 2011 at 9:56 am

      I always enjoy your comments…read every one of them. Am so looking forward to seeing you here again very soon. I hope you can forgive our too slow response to this morning’s viciousness.

    • 133 CTGirl
      November 10, 2011 at 10:07 am

      Sue,

      Please don’t go. This blog is a melting-pot family and like all families we often forget to be careful with our words. I do not think Jovie meant it the way you are taking it.

      Jovie,

      We know you are strong and it is clear your heart is in the right place but please remember, although we are one in this fight to keep POTUS in the WH, we are different people :-)

      I understand you were not attacking Stewart for being Jewish but maybe your wording could have been a bit softer to get your point across.

      TOD family, let’s not pile on…this is clearly a big misunderstanding.

    • 134 JoJothecat
      November 10, 2011 at 10:28 am

      Please don’t leave pmogz, there are far more people here that don’t insult others and are very respectful. I hope you come back and thank you for your support of PBO…that’s what we all have in common here.

    • 135 isonprize
      November 10, 2011 at 10:49 am

      Sue, I hope you will come back. Jovie’s comments are in no way representative of this blog. NO WAY AT ALL. She has been banned before. I am embarrassed for her. and apologize to you, on behalf of TOD. (Even though, I don’t officially represent TOD in any way…)

      I totally understand if you don’t come back, but I honestly hope that you do. I, for one, have not tolerated her comments. I’m sure there are others who have done the same. MUCH peace and love to you and yours.

      “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”

      RESPECT. EMPOWER. INCLUDE. Obama/Biden 2012

    • 136 Chipsticks
      November 10, 2011 at 10:57 am

      I’m sorry about all of this Sue, I wasn’t here when it started, if I was I would have stopped it. Please be heartened by the number of people who stepped in. Wishing you the best and hoping you’ll come back.

  29. 137 desertflower
    November 10, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Morning everyone! Those clips were devastating. I really think these guys are going to drop like flys….any day now….really….actually, I’ve been wondering HOW they have continued to still BE THERE. Any of them. The fact that people in the audience actually clapped for Herman trying to defend himself against these accusations….agreeing with him…”Just leave me alone! There are literally THOUSANDS of other women that would say I never did that to them.” Are they freaking serious?
    Texasssss Toast, Rick Perry…what’s to say? Bye Rick…go back to Texas and continue to screw over the poor folks that have to live in your state until your term is up….then do us all a favor and go FAR,FAR away! Preferably to that island somewhere with all the other certifiable loon in your party!

    In lieu of this hot mess that are Republicans…thought I would share this with you;

    http://emiliawahoo76.blogspot.com/

    I don’t remember who asked Chips to put her on the blogroll…but she is TERRIFIC! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    For every woman out there, this should be required reading…on so many levels, this warped, depraved, disgusting, demeaning line of thinking is what permeates the Republican mindset. You are LESS THAN. You are CHATTEL. Think about that. Think about that for your daughters, your nieces. Your granddaughters.They are objects.

    Not to excuse the so called “enlightened” Democrats that supposedly know better. They are equally at fault.I’m thinking of you, Mr. Maher, Mr. Olbermann, Mr.Moore. The difference here is, they are not running for the highest office in the land. They will not be the ones effecting policy. Equally, SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! You are supposed to know better! After all, you always let the rest of us know how progressive and equality minded you are.Hypocrite much?

    Contrast that with the respect afforded ALL PEOPLE, by President Obama. I don’t even CARE what the other issues of the day are. They do not matter a tinker’s damn.

    Because, at the end of the day, if women can’t be trusted, if women aren’t allowed to think for themselves, if women are put here to serve men, and be dismissed as liars, if “indiscretions” by men are excused away as somehow the “woman’s fault”….are you getting the picture yet?

    I will not be submissive. I will not be quiet. I will not be a vessel. I will not be a third class citizen. Ever again!

    Listen to them talk. Really HEAR what they say….is that what you want for yourself and all other women, and your girls that will grow up to be strong, independent,self assured women one day?

    I am not a cunt. I am a strong, independent, VOTING woman. You will not take me back there.

    • 138 PoliticalJunkessa
      November 10, 2011 at 10:12 am

      I think women will be very powerful in the 2012 election. The rebuke of the Personhood Amendment in Mississippi — largely by a grassroot women’s movement — was an incredible development. I’m also excited by the Win With Women initiative spearheaded by Barbara Boxer.

      Awesome!

      • 139 desertflower
        November 10, 2011 at 10:34 am

        I agree, PJ…women need to speak out loudly and firmly against this kind of archaic mindset. It makes me furious!

        Speaking of furious…and women….the glittering generalities that have been spoken here, to cause globallinda to be offended and leave…need to stop. It’s not my blog, but it is my home, and I am equally offended when one of my “family” is. That attack on a person’s religion is NOT ok…ever.Jovie may not have meant it come come out as it did, but that was taken as a personal affront. Jovie, if you’re reading this, you have been admonished for this sort of talk before. I have seen Chips do it, and BWD.

        I hope that both of you reconsider your choice to leave, as you both bring necessary and important comments to this blog. To those that lurk or don’t comment much…sometimes passions run high in the family….but this kind of inflammatory talk is not the norm. Excuse this distraction.

      • 140 57andFemale
        November 10, 2011 at 11:23 am

        Celinda Lake on Rachel last night (she’s a Democratic pollster) said that the energy from women and unions made the difference on Tuesday and this needs to be built upon.

        The crackpot idea that the “Democrat” machine is trying to jettison Cain is so absurd: I would love to have him as a candidate. We won’t be that lucky.

  30. November 10, 2011 at 9:41 am

    There’s only one Republican Party
    by Kay

    Just wanted to clear something up:


    These policies, and similar ones in other states, were passed in an arrogant frenzy by a Tea Party-tide of Republicans elected in 2010. Many of them decided that they had a mandate to dismantle some of the basic protections and restrictions of government. They went too far, and weary voters had to drag them back toward the center. As a result, Tuesday brought an overdue return of common sense to government policy in many states. Many voters are tired of legislation driven more by ideology than practicality, of measures that impoverish the middle class or deprive people of basic rights in order to prove some discredited economic theory or cultural belief.

    This is misleading. It wasn’t the Tea Party that pushed the anti-union agenda in Ohio. It was moneyed interests that are absolutely central to the national GOP, and it was state legislators who did not arrive in any “Tea Party” wave, but are (supposedly) mainstream Republicans. Governor Kasich was in the US House from 1993 to 2001. He’s about as plugged in and mainstream as a Republican can be. This was his law. Further, each and every GOP candidate for President endorsed Kasich’s law. The Tea Party actually pushed the ridiculous constitutional amendment on health care. The union-busting law wasn’t their issue.

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/11/10/theres-only-one-republican-party/

  31. November 10, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Just bought my bracelet and canvas tote from : http://store.barackobama.com/accessories.html.

    Can’t wait to get them, but I chose free shipping so I may be waiting 3 weeks or more. But I think it’s worth the wait! :) :) :) :)

  32. 145 lovingandlaughing
    November 10, 2011 at 9:59 am

    anyone remember how to get in touch with chipsticks?

  33. November 10, 2011 at 10:10 am

    One more thing before I go away for awhile-
    I have actually fought alongside Israeli IDF forces.
    While I cannot get into details, these people are very dedicated and live their homeland.


    All I have to say is, have any of you actually fought with the Israeli defense forces?

    No, did not think so!

    • 149 Anya
      November 10, 2011 at 11:01 am

      That’s the equivalent of someone the watermelon lady saying that some of her friends are black or Donald Trump and he’s “I have a good relationship with the blacks!” Keep digging.

      I don’t believe in sugar coating bigoted comments. If we cannot challenge someone who makes comments like you then we’re no better than the wingers. The honorable for you is to apologize.

  34. November 10, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Nobody knows me on this blog, everybody take a chill pill and quit piling on.
    I am infuriated, especially because the President just went through something similar with sarkozy.

    • November 10, 2011 at 10:24 am

      Jovie, I really don’t want to lose your contribution to the blog, you know how much I appreciate all your links in particular. But please take a deep breath and step back. I’m not accusing you of anything because I don’t know you, but you just cannot deny that bringing Jon Stewart’s religion in to the discussion was offensive and inflammatory. And WRONG.

      • 153 donna dem 4 obama
        November 10, 2011 at 10:43 am

        oops sorry Chips. I wasn’t sure if you were busy this morning.

      • 155 Anya
        November 10, 2011 at 10:49 am

        How to tell people they sound racist?

        • November 10, 2011 at 11:09 am

          So, now you are calling me racist.
          You know something, I am a military boy, I have done a lot for god and country.
          I am a fighter and not very sensitive to people!
          I doubt that i am a racist, but if that makes you all feel better, so you can identify me.

          Btw: I have a bronze star, silver star and a purple heart.

          Maybe if you guys did know who I was, I would not get pounded!

          Dont bother banning me chips, I just banned myself.

          Self righteous people are not my cup of tea.

          Chips, thanks for what you do here.

          Sorry I caused you grief

          By me leaving this blog, that means everybody got what they wanted.

          No more evil jovie. Lol!

          • 157 Anya
            November 10, 2011 at 11:37 am

            I can’t call you racist because I don’t know you, but your comments were anti-semitic. So, instead of going through the cycle of “some of my best friends are jewish,” you should just acknowledge that what you said was out of line and apologize without if, buts or any unnecessary comments.

          • 159 isonprize
            November 10, 2011 at 12:06 pm

            Jovie,

            Honestly. Watch the video. The guy makes a point of the difference between “what you said” and “what you are” I’m going with the “what you said” deal. I don’t know you. I don’t know if you are a racist or not. I don’t know if you are an anti-Semite or not.

            I did, however, read what you wrote. What you wrote was offensive and anti-Semitic. I have read the many of the posts that you bring to this site. They are usually full of great information and news that I hadn’t seen anywhere else. You have an attention to detail that is amazing! I guess I’m asking you to consider that their are times when your passion can be hurtful. if your earlier comments on this thread were misunderstood, you made no attempt to apologize or explain what you were trying to say.

            I still don’t know who you are, just as most folks on this and other blogs are anonymous. In fact, I may have erroneously assumed that you were female. I apologize if I was wrong about that. You could be very famous or an everyday, work-a-day person. But if people say that something you said was offensive, you might at least consider their point of view.

            I don’t think “everybody got what they wanted” I do hope that more thoughtful actions and conversations can come out of this exchange.

            I wish you well.

            Peace, Isonprize.

    • 160 donna dem 4 obama
      November 10, 2011 at 10:40 am

      When a person says that the are offended by something that a person says. That person should stop, re-evalute what they have said and apologize if the offense was not that persons attempt.

      None of that took place jovie. It may not have been your intent but the way you responsed to the perceived offense was almost as bad as the offense.

      I know Sue from the OFA blog and Facebook and will reach out to her in both places. It saddened me to see this.

      • November 10, 2011 at 10:51 am

        Donna, have you ever saved an Israeli life? I have! Not kidding!
        So, quit calling me a bigot, I was just trying to figure out what Jon stewarts problem was.

        Does everybody have to weigh in?

        You know, maybe you will feel better after you misunderstand jovie.

        Can you people drop it, or are you just going to keep it going?

        I am a strong supporter of Israel. That is a fact!

        • 163 hopefruit2
          November 10, 2011 at 11:05 am

          I think Stewart’s problem with our President is Stewart. He is insecure and threatened. Right now PBO is the most powerful man on the planet and that is bringing out a lot of insecurities in certain individuals who have giant-sized egos. Stewart’s rally to so-called restore sanity was an ego trip and nothing more. John Stewart, Cornell West, Michael Moore – all ego maniacs who feel personally upstaged by Barack Obama.

          • 164 Eleroy
            November 10, 2011 at 9:47 pm

            Add the fact that President Obama has no time to commune with them and stroke their huge egos and you have the petulence and tantrums showing up in ridiculous and unwarranted attacks on a good and decent man like our President!!!

      • 165 isonprize
        November 10, 2011 at 10:52 am

        Donna, please convey my thoughts to Sue. I was also offended and expressed it clearly at every opportunity. What happened was NOT COOL. No way, no how. Thanks. Peace.

      • 166 Frenchie08
        November 10, 2011 at 11:01 am

        Thanks Donna dem!

        Your response was exactly what I was thinking. I really appreciate the wealth of inoformation that Jovie brings to this site. I sure hope she continues to do so.

        Jovie I also hope that you will refrain from letting your passion for facts as you see them overide your ability to see when being considerate of others is more important than proving you are correct. I really love this site and I love how many here work hard to make sure everyone feels included.

        Please continue to do this. There are many of us from different walks of life and faiths who come here because we feel welcomed. We bask in this friendly atmosphere of support and knowledge. Some may never comment, but they suffer just the same when hurtful things are said.

    • 167 edp4bho
      November 10, 2011 at 10:54 am

      Jovie and Sue (pmgz), you both need to stay here. Where the heck else are you going to go to engage the way you have been? I didn’t get that Jovie was insulting anyone. Facts are what they are- we need only to check out the current political landscape. We cannot be too sensitive. Just look at the shit PBO gets on a daily basis, and notice his resolve. We are not children here, and things need to be hashed out from time to time, and people need to forgive one another. So far on this site, I have never gotten the impression that anyone was bigoted (opinionated, yes) and/or hateful about any one group of people. This is the world we live in. If we cannot discuss things like racism and bigotry, we just reflect the cowardice of the America that AG Eric Holder once, very factually, pronounced. And yes, we need always to be mindful of our differences, offering commentary with tact. Just my 2 cents :-D

  35. November 10, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Reading the derogatory comments about comedian Jon Stewart makes me wonder if Pres Obama supporters have their heads in the sand. I rewatched the Pelosi/Stewart interview this morning and isn’t it our duty to hold ALL politicians feet to the fire? Jon Stewart is a comedian first and foremost. But….he is very educated on the issues facing this country. Yes, he is Jewish and I also found the statement from someone bringing his religion into the topic offensive.

    If it wasn’t for Jon Stewart, a lot of the idiocy surrounding Washington elites would never come to the forefront. He does something the current media doesn’t……and that’s report the news. He only puts a comedic spin to it because after all, he is a comedian and these politicians are worth poking fun at. They give him the fodder.

    I am a huge supporter of Pres Obama but I have on occasion questioned (and even got angry) at some of the things he’s done. I’ve even sent him a letter questioning his motive on an issue. Does that make me a target for others supporters venom? I hope not.

    So just be careful what you post, it might come back to bite you.

    • 169 SueBee
      November 10, 2011 at 10:36 am

      My concern with Jon Stewart last night was how dismissive and rude he was to Nancy Pelosi. I have no problem with him holding politicians’ feet to the fire, but he barely allowed her to complete a sentence last night.

      • 170 Chi
        November 11, 2011 at 4:52 am

        Lonnie, Jon Stewart is an asshole…

        You might like him and believe that he’s done ‘some good things’ like exposing a ‘lot of of the idiocy surrounding Washington elites’, still does not erase the fact that he is infinitely disrespectful, demeaning and dishonest in his very personal attacks against President Obama…

        President Obama ‘supporters’ come in varying shades and tolerance levels…

        You might find Jon Stewart ‘useful’…

        People like me find him incredibly spiteful, dishonest, egotistic, cowardly, hypocritical, petty and destructive…and on a mission to damage President Obama and strip him of as much support as possible…

        There is absolutely no way to spin Jon Stewart as even remotely aligned to positively pushing for the good…

        He’s too busy denigrating, demeaning and tearing down President Obama…

        Even as Jon Stewart jostles for applause and ego strokes, one would think he’d know better, but he chooses to use what influence and exposure he has to push personal vendettas carefully wrapped as political theater and unfunny damaging and dishonest digs at specific targets…

        His is not an across the board or honest dissection of everyone who deserves to be dissected and criticized…

        As he also picks his objects of derision rather carefully and curiously…

        He lives to impress Bill O’Reilly and craves his validation…

        Treats Condoleeza Rice with the utmost respect, but dismisses Nancy Pelosi…

        He remembers to address Bill Clinton a former president respectfully as Mr. president, but derides the sitting President as ‘dude’…

        With absolutely no concern or care for the long term damage his now runaway ego trip does, Jon Stewart is one more cautionary tale of how even the slightest hint of power and influence could go terribly wrong when entrusted to an immature, envious, petty, self-serving jerk…

        Jon Stewart has gotten much craved fame but will be judged very harshly for misusing it…

    • 171 hopefruit2
      November 10, 2011 at 10:52 am

      Jon Stewart’s attitude towards our President has gone beyond “holding a politician’s feet to the fire.” It has been downright disrespectful – e.g., calling him “dude” to his face etc. And to be honest, only 1 individual referenced Stewart’s religion, compared to the many others who openly disagreed and called out that one individual.

    • 172 Anya
      November 10, 2011 at 10:53 am

      I am not saying Jovi is one of them, but it’s a known fact that there are sockpopets, astroturf and paid (by Rove and Koch brothers) commenters who infiltrate Pro-Obama and liberal blogs to create mayhem and division.

      • 173 edp4bho
        November 10, 2011 at 10:58 am

        Not Jovie. No way!

      • 174 AJ
        November 10, 2011 at 11:03 am

        Jon Stewart calls himself “Jewish-ish”. He’s married to a non Jewish woman. Not exactly a towering example of Orthodox Judiasm.

        • 175 hopefruit2
          November 10, 2011 at 11:18 am

          I don’t think Stewart gives a rat’s bottom about Judaism. He give’s rat’s bottom about fame, recognition, power and money. Barack Obama now represents all of those things and is probably superior to Stewart in at least 3 of the 4 counts.

      • November 10, 2011 at 11:31 am

        On the OFA blog during the 2008 campaign and later on blackwaterdog’s blog there was one Pro-Obama commenter who periodically created a firestorm and then claimed victimhood. I’m confident that our Chipsticks can guide us through such stuff with her usual awesomeness.

    • November 10, 2011 at 10:56 am

      Jon Stewart is a comedian first and foremost.

      That’s where you & I disagree. :)

      • November 10, 2011 at 11:05 am

        I’m getting fed up with that line. Comedians often express what they actually believe through jokes. Just look at Stephen Colbert’s “The Word” segment. Its hilarious but he’s expressing a serious opinion. Or look at George Carlin. Very funny but he believed what he said. Stewart being rude isn’t part of a skit.

        • November 10, 2011 at 11:12 am

          Yup. Colbert is a better advocate of issues and shining light on right wing roaches than stewart could ever be. JS could be as rude as his pal bill o’racist to his own guests.

    • 180 isonprize
      November 10, 2011 at 10:58 am

      Lonnie.

      I ask you to please, please. PLEASE not conflate one person’s derogatory comments with all Pres. Obama supporters, especially on this blog. We most certainly DO NOT have our heads in the sand. This is a blog that is overwhelmingly positive, peaceful, informative and enlightening.

      But it is, after all, a blog. People can hide behind anonymity and say things that they may not say if they were face to face. The majority of the comments here at TOD are respectful, informed, intelligent and often, funny.

    • November 10, 2011 at 11:00 am

      You complain about an insult by one person on this blog by insulting everyone on this blog? hmmmm…

      No one here has their head in the sand. We are not mindless bots here. There is a difference between legitimate complaints and straight up lies being spread about what Pres. Obama has done or said. THOSE are the things we attack not people who simply disagree with him. Furthermore, people here complained about Stewart’s manner towards Nancy Pelosi which is especially grating for some since at last nights debate she was called Princess Nancy by Herman Cain and a cunt on twitter. Too many people are under the impression that being rude to leadership is equivalent to holding someone’s feet to the fire. Its not. You can disagree with someone and express that without treating them as beneath you.

    • November 10, 2011 at 11:06 am

      No doubt that Stewart is educated about the issues concerning the country, but I often wonder why he acts like PBO has not done aything and has no accomplishments? I saw him do this on more than one occasion, when I use to watch him.

      • November 10, 2011 at 11:11 am

        he’s very dismissive.

        • 184 hopefruit2
          November 10, 2011 at 11:15 am

          He appears to have a personal grudge against this President that goes beyond the generic disdain and annoyance with Washington. My mother said she believes it dates back to when PBO first went on either Leno or Letterman (before he went on Stewart) and Stewart felt slighted.

          I’ve noticed that when these MSM pundits/program hosts/activists have an issue with our President, you can almost always trace it back to some perceived personal slight where they wanted his attention and recognition and felt that they didn’t get it.

          • November 10, 2011 at 12:29 pm

            Their self-inflated egos won’t allow them the humility they should have.

            I’ve been thinking about the whole Herman Cain thing how he is assigning blame to everyone else but himself. With all the crap we’ve heard in the media about PBO, you’ve NEVER held once accuse anyone of what they’re doing to him. And Lord knows the crap that’s been thrown at him and his wife, both.

          • November 10, 2011 at 2:15 pm

            I know we all want to be Barack Obama’s best friend but geesh…you’re not entitled to an interview or anything else.

  36. November 10, 2011 at 11:01 am

    I used to think Perry was just drunk all the time – like a Texan Boris Yeltsin or young George Bush – but then I realized he’s just as dumb as he seems.

    http://brettcottrell.blogspot.com/2011/11/perrys-not-on-drugs-hes-just-that-dumb.html

    Still, he has one good economic plan. Sell Texas to China. I’m for it.

    http://brettcottrell.blogspot.com/2011/10/perrys-economic-plan-sell-texas-to.html

  37. 190 hopefruit2
    November 10, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Just a gentle reminder:

  38. 191 relellit
    November 10, 2011 at 11:28 am

    ROFWL :lol:

    Good morning TOD family

    Fox & Friends Tries To “Hannitize” Perry After Debate Gaffe

    http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201111100004?frontpage

    I can’t understand Gov.Rick Perry’s blah blah blah. He can’t be serious.

  39. November 10, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Hi all. i received the following via e-mail and don’t have a link. It’s interesting none the less and sounds like something the Rev would say.

    The following is a message from Al Sharpton to Herman Cain.
    The greeting on your website says, “we are looking forward to hearing from you”,
    but I’m not sure you will be lookingf orward to hearing from me, Mr. Cain.

    I saw on the internett that you called the President a liar. I deplore what you are doing and the
    things you are saying about the President in order to gain favor with these
    greedy, thieving, selfish, Republicans. How dare you call President Obama a
    liar. You are a pathetic, obviously brainwashed black man who has lost his way
    and his mind. You have had opportunity and a smattering of privilege in America that
    has made you forget your roots. I despise people like you and Clarence Thomas,
    and you both have Georgia roots.

    What is it with you black men from the south who grow up in an oppressed environment and
    end up siding with the oppressor? The recent case of Troy Davis in Georgia is an excellent example of
    the present day oppression and legal lynching that still takes place in that
    state and in this country. The political party that you praise so highly is
    presently enacting laws to suppress the black vote, the student vote, and many
    elderly voters across this entire country. Yet, you choose to stand with
    people who display such obscene and un-American behavior. You would throw black
    people (including the President of the U.S.) and others under the bus
    to curry favor with these non-caring and hedonistic people.

    You were there when your Republican cohorts cheered about the death penalty which
    disproportionately affects black men and women in this country – some of whom
    have been proven to be innocent. You should be ashamed to stand with these
    people and yet, you appear to be proud of such an association.

    Yes, President Obama does believe in fairness and sharing the responsibility of the
    tax burden, it is not socialism nor is it class warfare, and he is not a liar
    for saying it. That kind of rhetoric from you and those with whom you identify
    is nothing more than a weak defense for the greedy and despicable philosophy
    that you choose to embrace.

    You had the unmitigated gall to tell Wolf Blitzer on CNN that two thirds of
    African-American people are brainwashed and incapable of thinking for
    themselves. You are surely touched in the head. The millions of us who are
    capable of thinking for ourselves – we know who is really brainwashed – you –
    brainwashed whiter than snow.

    Do you really think those people with whom you stand on the debating platform really respect you
    and see you as their equal? They as well as others see you as a joke and a
    person who is engaging in buffoonery. A Republican majority House and Senate
    would never pass your “so called” 999 plan. They would never deem it
    in their best interest. Besides, there are many who believe your plan is a
    coded message from Satan. If you flip the numbers they become the 666 plan.

    You will never be President of this country, and I thank God for that. I must say, you
    certainly live up to your last name. Just as Cain in the Bible so blatantly
    slew his brother, you are equally willing to do the same politically and
    economically to millions of black and middle class citizens of this country.
    Such behavior is extremely ugly, and need I remind you, Mr. Cain, that God does
    not like ugly.

    P.S. If it wasn’t for the fact that I’m having a nice day, I would tell you what I really
    think about you.

  40. 196 eveingeorgia
    November 10, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Chipsticks, I usually save this site to read last. It’s my place of sanity after hearing about the utter madness going on in our country.
    That is why it was so unsettling to read the posts by Jovie and the response by Sue.

    I guess it is unrealistic to expect that even good friends will always get along, but for so long the conviviality and sweetness, peculiar to the TOD family, has been like an oasis in the desert for me. You have a very close-knit family here. I don’t feel a part of it, but I admire the passion, enjoy the fun, and appreciate all the information.

    With that said let me say the following:

    I have noticed Jon Stewart’s increasing malevolence toward PBO. I am no longer a fan of his. I prefer not to watch him, because his clear attacks on PBO reek of something deeper than mere criticism of an action or policy. I do not always agree with PBO, but I cannot imagine a better
    President for these tough times. He is the best we have, and to hear people who should know better disparage him is depressing and dis-heartening.

    All this gets me back to Jovie and Sue. Nobody’s religion, culture or race should ever be in question on a site like this. Personal attacks related to race, religion, region etc., should be vigorously called out.
    This site stands to me as an example of how political discourse should be. Sure, raise hell all you want, but don’t attack people over things about which they have no control. Also, with the recent references to this site by BarackObama.com and Benen, I think we need to be sure that we represent ourselves with integrity and decency.

    I sure hope Jovie and Sue will remain. You must not become divided against yourselves…you know what happens then.

    Sincerely,

    A friendly lurker

    • November 10, 2011 at 12:37 pm

      Thanks so much for the comment Eve, I’m really sorry about what happened today, if I had been around when it started I’d have stepped in. Things are kind of crazy busy at the moment, but hopefully I’ll get the chance tonight to have a word about what happened. Thanks again Eve.

      • 198 eveingeorgia
        November 10, 2011 at 1:56 pm

        I sure don’t blame you, Chipsticks. I love this site and appreciate all that you do. If President Obama were not such a deserving person and president, there would not be a need for a site like this one.
        But he has proven himself to be a president who needs to be upheld, prayed for, and strengthened in every way possible.
        The attacks upon his name, his family, his very person have been horrible, hardly veiled, and vicious to the extreme on the left and the right.
        PBO is only a man, after all, and because he is, he needs all the support he can get. Our country needs him now. This site seems to me to be one of the few that serves as the wind beneath his wings.

        it’s going to be a vicious, awful 12 months, that’s why sites like these are so important. I hope everyone can remain friends, focused on the election, and focused on the future of this country. I am so afraid of where we will be headed if the present incarnation of the republican party gains the presidency. I don’t even want to think about it.

        So keep up the good work, Chipsticks, and stay together, everybody. Okay?

    • November 10, 2011 at 12:38 pm

      Tell me again, why are you a lurker ? :) You should post often.

      Today is just one of those bad-hair days.

      • 202 eveingeorgia
        November 10, 2011 at 1:42 pm

        amk for Obama:

        I guess I’m a little intimidated by the knowledge and political savvy represented in the comments. I can emote with the best of them, but thinking analytically is not my forte. So, I enjoy reading and learning.

        Thanks for the encouragement, though. I will gather my courage and speak up more often because of it.

        Bad-hair days are always rough, aren’t they?

        • November 10, 2011 at 1:53 pm

          Eve, your eloquence is in full evidence. Please join the flow of conversation often. I’m sure you have a lot to contribute as you have today. Thank you.

    • 205 anniebella
      November 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm

      I have never really like Jon Stewart, so I never really watched him.

  41. 206 eveingeorgia
    November 10, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Did. not. mean. to. post. three times!!! So sorry. It’s an age thing, I guess!


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