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A Word from BWD

by Blackwaterdog

Dear President Obama,

I’d like to share a story with you:

I have two great friends who are gays. They’ve been together for 10 years. Four years ago they adopted a 10 months old baby. The only reason they got him was due to his severe illness. He didn’t have much more time to live and no one else wanted him. For more than two years I’ve seen them being the best parents any kid could hope for. They gave this baby their full, unconditional love, knowing that their time together would be very limited. Tommy died last year. All who knew him are still in deep grief. And these two guys, two of the best parents I’ve ever seen, one of the most in-love couples I’ve ever seen – they can’t get married. This is wrong on every level, on every level.

Mr. President, I understand your struggle. It’s a journey many people had to go through – myself included – and nothing can change the fact that no president comes even close to what you’ve done for gay rights in America and in the world. But, this is the final step and it’s time to take it.

I honestly don’t believe that at this point you’re still against gay marriage. Everything I know about you points to the other direction. And if the calculation is political, that’s not a good one either. Most of the country is already on the right side of this issue and the people who may not vote for you because of this, were not going to vote for you anyway.

Dear Sir, you are the greatest man I’ve seen in my life time. I’m grateful to be able to witness this greatness with my own eyes. But now you’re about to become probably the last Democrat president/presidential candidate to not run on fully supporting gay marriage. No matter how much good you did for gays, you’ll be remembered as being on the wrong side of the last big civil rights issue. Even behind the much older Joe Biden. This can’t happen to you. You are Barack Obama.

I will continue to back you no matter what: I’ll work my heart out to make sure that you’ll stay in the White House – because you are a great president and you’re our only hope against a very dangerous and scary force.  But please don’t miss this opportunity to bend that arc of moral universe just a bit more towards justice.

You are the face of hope, change and equality for an entire world.

You are Barack Obama, sir. You are Barack Obama.


260 Responses to “A Word from BWD”


  1. May 8, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Yes, GO North Carolina! Do the right thing! Vote against the amendment.

    • May 8, 2012 at 9:35 am

      Hey Sara, congrats on being first. Thought I could be from my AMTRAK train to NYC

    • 3 44obamagirl
      May 8, 2012 at 9:40 am

      Hi Sara, congratulations on first!!
      I guess I am being a little slow and out of touch at the moment, pardon the ignorance but what is the amendment that is being voted on?
      Sam UK

    • 4 CindyH
      May 8, 2012 at 10:22 am

      I’m very worried – a fellow OFA volunteer sent out email indicating that Dems did not come out to vote early in numbers like the Repubs did. That could mean that we have this horrid amendment to fight for years. I have many families in my church who have 2 moms and this will not only jeopardize their limited protections, but also hurt their children to see that the citizens of NC won’t validate their loving familes. Fort those who are not familiar – this amendment limits all marriage AND domestic unions recognized to be between 1 man and 1 woman.

      This state has been awful since the Repubs took control and we have our work cut out for us.
      I am so thankful for this site where I can keep up on what’s going on without the hate and vitriol spewed by conservatives and fanatics!

      As soon as school lets out (my daughter has learning issues, so my time right now is limited), I will be working as hard as I can to re-elect President Obama and Democrats to support him.

      I’d love to hear from others where we should concentrate – I think with registering voters.

      • 5 Hachikō
        May 8, 2012 at 10:41 am

        Whose fault would it be if this amendment passes, Cindy? Nobody’s but Democrats. Same Democrats pushing the President to utter a few words that could actually make things worse for the LGBT community.

        What part of “I can’t do it alone” don’t Democrats understand?

      • May 8, 2012 at 11:26 am

        My sister lives in Chapel Hill, and she voted early. In fact, she told me days ago that her early voting location was packed when she went to the polls. Also, her son and grandchildren voted with her, and they ALL voted against this awful amendment.

  2. 8 Jessica
    May 8, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Religious groups scare me. They’re mean and they have a lot of money. It makes me nervous the ads that they will blitz him with. I know you are not supposed to be led by fear but they got me… I’m shaking.

    • 9 CindyH
      May 8, 2012 at 10:23 am

      And my religion recognizes love and is not limited to a literal interpretation of the bible – why should my religion be trumped by theirs?

  3. 10 desertflower
    May 8, 2012 at 9:41 am

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/06/10-questions-to-ask-your-favorite-conservative/

    And the perfect analogy from a commenter, Col Adam Gase:

    Arguing with a conservative is like playing chess with a pigeon. You get pissed off. The pigeon embarrasses itself by crapping on the board, knocks over the pieces, then flies off to tell its friends how it won the game.

  4. May 8, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Good morning, TODville.

    BWD, that is an incredibly beautiful and powerful letter. I hope it somehow finds its way into PBO’s hands. I know he’ll listen.

    Who knows what comes next? But, like you, I’ll work my butt off to see this great man continue in this office for another four years to do the best he can for this great nation. I’m immensely proud of what he’s done and who he is. As he says, we still have a lot of work to do. FORWARD.

  5. 13 Ladyhawke
    May 8, 2012 at 9:45 am

    ROMNEY WANTS ‘A LOT OF CREDIT’ FOR POLICY HE CONDEMNED

    By Steve Benen

    —————————————-

    But even by Romney standards, this is just laughable.

    The former Massachusetts governor — the guy who said we should “let Detroit go bankrupt” — predicted that we could “kiss the American automotive industry goodbye” if Obama’s policy moved forward in 2009. Indeed, at the time, Romney called the administration’s plan “tragic” and “a very sad circumstance for this country.” He wrote another piece in which he said Obama’s plan “would make GM the living dead.”

    We now know that Obama was right and Romney was wrong. We now also know that Romney wants “a lot of credit” for the same Obama policy the Republican said wouldn’t work.

    Following up on a piece from last week, Romney can condemn the Obama administration’s policy or it can take credit for the Obama administration’s policy, but he can’t do both.

    —————————————–

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/08/11597102-romney-wants-a-lot-of-credit-for-policy-he-condemned?lite

  6. 16 hopefruit2
    May 8, 2012 at 9:46 am

    I agree with most of what BWD has stated in this movingly eloquent and heartfelt letter to our President.

    However, I respectfully disagree with this statement:
    “No matter how much good you did for gays, you’ll be remembered as being on the wrong side of the last big civil rights issue. ”

    And if this is true, then it says a lot more about the racist double standards held by America towards a Black President than it does about President Obama.

    As I’ve posted before, both Abraham Lincoln AND FDR are remembered NOT for their personal beliefs, but for the laws that they were able to change through policy. They were able to change those laws because they WON elections. Our goal for 2012 is to see that President Obama gets re-elected and that he gets an adequate majority in the senate and house to help him enact the kinds of legislation that improves people’s lives. . Anything else at this point is secondary. He has already clearly stated his vision for this country; he has already clearly stated in written and oral terms that he believes DOMA is wrong and he supports equality for all couples regardless of their sexual orientation.

    I don’t need this President to reassure me on a personal level that he is for same-sex marriage. I already know the kind of man that Barack Obama is. His record over the last three years speaks for itself.

    • May 8, 2012 at 9:51 am

      This is a word from Hopefruit. Well Stated!

    • 19 gn
      May 8, 2012 at 10:01 am

      I couldn’t agree more with your thoughts. PBO has done more for GLBT rights than any POTUS in history. That the Professional Left is agitating against PBO’s coalition is simply what they’ve been doing for three plus years now. Quite frankly, anyone who fails to detect how great this POTUS already has been and the genius manner in which he’s nudging fence sitters towards marriage equality–perhaps those who fail to detect and credit that are the ones on the wrong side of history, as they’ve been wrong about almost everything else. Same people who concern trolled through DADT repeal and refused to give this POTUS a shred of credit are screaming now. For once, can we on the pragmatic side of things ignore them and actually continue to make progress despite the purists?

      • 20 gcwp1
        May 8, 2012 at 11:25 am

        I know BWD speaks from the heart, but I must disagree. The people from the GLBT community that I know consider BO a staunch ally and are realistic about what he cannot accomplish.

        • 21 gn
          May 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm

          Without a doubt, this is coming from the heart, never thought otherwise. And I also agree with you that I suspect that people are more realistic than the lefty media credits. I know that Tavis and Cornel’s anti-PBO tour has been the darling of the professional left, while on the ground, those two are largely ignored at best, derided at worst.

    • 22 isonprize
      May 8, 2012 at 10:16 am

      hopefruit. I think you’ve ‘hit the nail on the head’ Thank you for this. THANK YOU!!

      It really isn’t all about what Pres. Obama FEELS. He’s got to be in a position to DO something about it. He’s PRAGMATIC.

      There are plenty of people who are annoyed with gays who fuss about PBO but don’t WORK to get communities and people who vote on board with the issue. PBO cannot make changes just because he believes in something. If that was the case the Jobs Bill would be passed into law and lots more Americans would be working.

    • 23 edp4bho
      May 8, 2012 at 10:37 am

      Morning TOD. Love how you put this hopefruit. Seems to me too many people are projecting on this President, instead of appreciating what he already has done. I can’t help but feel his readiness to join the nation as one is getting people confused with everybody being on one accord. Sure !! As if all of our family members agree, as though all our friends are in 100% agreement with us on music, religion, fashion, etc., etc. This brings to mind, to myself anyway, all the emoprogs, the Tavis Smileys, the Cornel Wests; those on the left, those on the right……dictating to him what kind of president he should be to them….to them, not to himself, but to them, in their mind’s eye. In a sense, it’s giving him another beating, and Lord knows, he’s had his abundant share of those. I was thinking just this morning how much I have learned from his example. How he has taught me to have a thicker skin. How to prioritize even better the things I want and need to do in my life. I am so thankful for his example as an empassioned human being. What more could I ask of him? I pray always that he maintains his core principals and does what he finds is in keeping with what is steadying in his own mind and heart. If he “evolves” as people like to call it, this is not something done “by request”. As eveingeorgia stated last night, leave the man be. He will do right !

      • 24 Hachikō
        May 8, 2012 at 10:44 am

        If it’s not the poverty pimps, West and Smiley, saying he’s not doing enough for blacks, it’s the Chois and Aravosis’ saying he’s not doing enough for gays.

    • 26 Charmed
      May 8, 2012 at 10:39 am

      I TOTALLY agree with hopefruit2

      • 27 LDS
        May 8, 2012 at 4:40 pm

        I totally agree with Hopefulfruit2!
        Yes, he is Barack Obama. He is not God. His personal opinion on same sex marriage I will not remember him as being on the wrong side of the civil rights movement. I have gay white friends who are prejudice against AA gays. Some say they chose to be gay and others say they were born gay. It is not for me to judge. I am not God.

        I do read, study and meditate on the Word of God. And I know is that God sees your heart. POB has a godly heart.
        By honestly studying the Word and applying it to my life, I will not judge POB on this matter either. Proverbs 31:9″Open your mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.”

        POB has done and is doing that since he came into office four years ago.

    • 28 anameti
      May 8, 2012 at 10:46 am

      I totally agree with you hopefruit2. This is not new, if you look at past non-controversies like contraceptive, DADT, president Obama is always demanded to say or do something to prove himself. The funny thing is when he does, he gets no credit, they just move to the next issue and the cycle continues. NC is voting today to amend const. to ban gay marriage. But many people of good will are concentrating on bashing Obama rather than talk about NC vote. Although Obama has come out against the amendment, I will not be surprise if he gets the blame (if it passes).

    • 29 sabreen60
      May 8, 2012 at 10:49 am

      I agree. Remember DADT. Everyone was telling the President when to do it, how to do it and where to do it. He took his time and got it passed through Congress, which was the right thing to do. Had he just signed an EO the next President could have shredded it. I believe President Obama will come out for marriage equality at the right time. We want him to win, right? What happens to gay rights if Romney gets in office? The media is trying to turn this into a circus because of what Biden said. I trust the President – always have. His timing has been damn near perfect. But here we are again, telling the President what to do and when he should do it. To be blunt, politics is not for the faint of heart. Sometimes political calculations have to be made. The Obama administration (from what I understand) has so many internal polls, it would make your head swim. Please let him handle this. He knows where the country is on the issue. Maybe he’ll come out before election and maybe he won’t. But once again we have the Professional Left with their hair on fire trying to dictate to the President. Let him handle this, please!!!!

    • 30 relellit
      May 8, 2012 at 10:55 am

      Good morning Todville.

      BWD letter has me in tears. I do agree that there are people who were not going to vote for our President. However, I believe the Republicans are using this issue to drive a wedge between the religious Afican American community, the LBGT, and President Obama. You see what happened in California. Even, Stephanie Miller, who is gay, said a few minutes ago she does not want this to happen because of California.

      Stephanie thinks this President has done more for gays than any president in history and wants him re-eleted so he can complete the job.

      I appreciate you fervent concern for other people’s civil rights and your hard work toward getting PBO re-elected .We are all workng in what ever capacity to get our President re-elected. However, this is one issue, I think, could tip the scales. We have to trust our President’s leadership and the right fight. We can’t throw everything we have worked for.

    • 31 Roberta in MN
      May 8, 2012 at 12:16 pm

      Thank you Hopeful, I agree with you. This is a red herring to get the MSM something to talkabout, except what is really going on in these USofA. Voting rights, women’s rights, jobs, the Republican obstruction, IF the MSM were truthful, they would have a lot to talk about, except the shit that is coming out of their mouths. I have always appreciated, BWD, but she can be a bedwetter. Love her anyway.

    • 32 Claire
      May 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm

      I absolutely agree Hopefruit2!

    • 33 Puddin'
      May 8, 2012 at 2:01 pm

      I agree with your words 100%…what gets my goat is that POB has done more than any president regarding this matter and it still doesn;t seem to be enough for some folks. But POB has done more in the past three years than any president inspite of the party of NO and some folks with a D behind their names. I don’t understand people who vote for single issues and if that issue is pushed forward their pantie-drawls get bunched up in their but…”President Obama has not done ANYTHING…THIS IS A FAILED ADMINISTRATION” (their unreasonable cry).

      And another thing…I am tired of folks associating the passing or failure of same-sex marriage on the backs of Black folks!!!
      “I don’t need this President to reassure me on a personallevel that he is for same-sex marriage. I already know the kind of man that Barack Obama is. His record over the last three years speaks for itself.”…I CO-SIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • 34 Puddin'
        May 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm

        One more thing…The people who are complaining that POB hasn’t done enough, should ask WHAT IN THE HELL IS MITT AND THE GOP GOING TO DO FOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE?

    • 35 jackiegrumbacher
      May 8, 2012 at 4:14 pm

      Hopefruit, I agree. There has never been a president, nor ill there ever be, who scores a ‘perfect’ on everything we want him to. FDR was deeply flawed as was Lincoln and Jefferson. There will be great things accomplished in President Obama’s second term, but we’ve got to get him elected first. As BobFR has often pointed out to us, this is an election equivalent to that of 1860. If we mess this up, we won’t be getting a second chance for a very, very long time, if ever. The only people making this a now or never on gay marriage is the msm in order to box PBO into a corner. Gay marriage is moving forward with inexorable force in this country. It will happen and in a generation or so will be so common no one will think twice about it. The biggest barrier is not the president but our backward state legislators. Let’s get the president elected and then focus on turning our governors’ mansions and state houses blue.

    • 36 nathkatun7
      May 8, 2012 at 5:16 pm

      Well said Hopefruit! I have the greatest respect for BWD and her courage. I hope, however, that she understands the political complexity of a president who, because of his job, has to take it account the sincere passions of a whole host of people. If the President was threatening to veto a law that guarantees the rights of gay people, or if the President was doing everything to persecute gay people, then I would agree with BWD that he is “on the wrong side of the last big civil rights issue.” Again, at the risk of repeating myself from what I previously wrote, I don’t recall the leaders of Black freedom struggles demanding of President Kennedy, or President LBJ, a public statement on the issue of interracial marriage. They didn’t because marriage is a very complex institution that is deeply mixed up with church, state, and individual privacy. Only the courts are equipped to handle this issue. If President Obama’s statement saying that he supports gay marriage would automatically usher in gay marriage then I would be joining those who are pressuring him to make a public statement.

  7. May 8, 2012 at 9:47 am
  8. May 8, 2012 at 9:47 am

    On this subject, I think I know PBO’s mindset on this and know that it will be a fait accompli. I trust PBO’s judgment impeccably on the timing. He has the best judgment on every issue, the most astute of anyone I have ever known.

  9. 39 0388jojothecat
    May 8, 2012 at 9:48 am

    BWD, your friends sound like very special people who parented, loved, and cared for a special needs child that was abandoned by their heterosexual parents, provides that child with the love God intends for every creature born, are angels in my eyes. I pray that your letter reaches the President and First Lady because they are compassionate people who will always do the right thing for all Americans.

    • 41 isonprize
      May 8, 2012 at 10:18 am

      TIred of this focus. Does it divide young white female college students? Does it divide Asian Pacific Islanders?

      TIRED, TIRED, TIRED of the discussion of how this issue is seen by black people. TIRED!

      • May 8, 2012 at 10:47 am

        This and so this!!

      • 43 edp4bho
        May 8, 2012 at 10:49 am


        TIRED, TIRED, TIRED of the discussion of how this issue is seen by black people. TIRED!”

        So with you. We have always been the “arbiters” of morality in America, in a sense. I for one, don’t want that burden. If you don’t know what’s right, sad on you. Not my problem. We are not mammy in the kitchen !

      • 44 Puddin'
        May 8, 2012 at 2:15 pm

        I AM ALSO, SO VERY TIRED OF THIS…TIRED, TIRED, TIRED, TIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • 45 LDS
          May 8, 2012 at 4:57 pm

          Too tired, also. We will not be divided on POB personal opinion. He is entitled to one.
          At the end of the day, he is a servant of the Most High God, husband, father, son-in- love, Commander-In-Chief. In that order……period.

  10. May 8, 2012 at 9:48 am

    RIP Maurice Sendak—“Where The Wild Things Are”. The Obamas shared this book again recently with their young egg roll attendees.

    • 47 isonprize
      May 8, 2012 at 10:19 am

      aawwwwww, love his books. My son can still recite “where the wild things are” by heart! There is a whole section of the Please Touch Museum set up for the book. There’s a section on “In the Night Kitchen” also.

      • 48 jackiegrumbacher
        May 8, 2012 at 4:18 pm

        I loved all Sendak’s work–he was a genius at creating wonderful characters. Had such a good time reading these books to my son back in the day.

  11. May 8, 2012 at 9:49 am

    The only thing I have heard is, that have done polling in the President coming out and supporting this issue. Thus, his Advisers are advising him to stay away from this issue. Unfortunately, the Reagan Democrats, are Socially conservative.
    And that is what is keeping him from being fully engaged, at this point.
    Me thinks, after the Election he will endorse this issue!

  12. 50 4morefor44
    May 8, 2012 at 9:49 am

    for decades it’s been called a “wedge issue” for a reason.

    • 51 amk for obama
      May 8, 2012 at 9:56 am

      Yup. And while mehmney gets away with all his clumsy fumblings and lies this week.

  13. 52 JER
    May 8, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Good Morning Everybody! Relax and enjoy the day. PBO is a master at making the right moves.

    • 53 gn
      May 8, 2012 at 10:03 am

      Couldn’t agree more. He’s simply shown himself to be about a million times more astute than his detractors; literally, like every. single. time. We can relax. Progress will continue. Those who fail to detect and enjoy this time of progress because it isn’t instant utopia…sorry, don’t know what to tell those folks.

  14. 56 proudmemberofglobalzero
    May 8, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Wow BWD. You have friends that are the “Gays”? Your rant and now mine. My sister is gay, my cousin is gay, my uncle is gay, my niece is gay and married, MY SON IS GAY! These are the people that stayed home in 2010. Yes, even my son who worked so hard for PBO in 2007-08. Yes, I thought I reared him better but, obviously not. They complain, march and don’t vote.

    It is the MSM and those that fall for their talking points that results in Dem loses in the elections. There are so many that want to take their “toys and go home”.

    I am happy you will vote in 2012. What I want to know is if you will work as hard in 2012 as you did in 2008?

    Off to work now. Have a great “Obama” day.

    • 57 anniebella
      May 8, 2012 at 10:45 am

      proudmember, these people who stayed home in 2010 is the reason President Obama had to deal with this do nothing Congress. Imagine what could have gotten done if the Dems had the House, Senate, WH. But people wanted to stay home and make their point, or didn’t feel the need to go vote. Now they want to get upset if President Obama don’t do what they want him too, I mean no disrespect to anyone,all people should be treated right, but I am tired of the same sex marriage issue, by the way I don’t support same sex marriage.

      • 58 57andfemale
        May 8, 2012 at 12:39 pm

        It defies any kind of common sense. We will all get what we want IF WE VOTE FOR PBO AND A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS. Why is this so hard to explain?

        Their excuse? Well, if PBO had done absolutely everything I wanted RIGHT NOW, THEN I would vote.

        Instead, they not only make it impossible for PBO to give them what they want – a constituency that does not vote?

        My head hurts.

    • 59 L3
      May 8, 2012 at 10:46 am

      Great comment. It seems like instead of working on the ground and trying to generate support from the bottom up, they’re looking for PBO to do it for them from the top down. Real and lasting change, as PBO has taught us, comes from hard work, one-on-one, from the bottom up over time.

      • 60 Puddin'
        May 8, 2012 at 2:32 pm

        I have come to the conclusion that American people are lazy, so lazy they want everyone else to do everything for them. There are people in other countries that would/are die for the rights that we have. People who don’t vote don’t have a right to complain. PERIOD!

        • 61 L3
          May 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm

          Absolutely right. It’s the microwave mentality. Where are the marches? Why aren’t they out in the street protesting and demonstrating every time these issues come up? Why aren’t they on the mall in D.C.? All I hear is bitching on TV and blogs. Get in the street and work for what you want and stop blaming PBO for things that Republicans are doing.

    • 62 Claire
      May 8, 2012 at 1:03 pm

      Well stated Proud. It’s easy to complain, but voting seems to be the difficult part for some people. Rather than complain, get someone registered, then get 2 more people registered. Then on election day make sure you and your new registrants go to the polls.

  15. May 8, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Christie is at 56%! I don’t get it? The polling, of this Person in NJ, baffles me!

  16. 65 Diane
    May 8, 2012 at 9:57 am

    BWD, that comment had me in tears. You have a beautiful heart. Thank you so much for this beautiful statement of love for gay couples and for our president. I KNOW that someone will show him this comment. It is too important and too loving to hide under a bushel–You let your love shine in this comment and it was a beautiful, beautiful thing. Thank you again.

  17. 66 utaustinliberal
    May 8, 2012 at 9:58 am

    BWD, I love ya but you need to stop all this freaking out over nontroversies. It is not helpful to our cause. You view this non-issue through a very narrow lens and that is the thing that should break your heart not Pres. Obama’s position on gay marriage. I think you need to read this, broaden your perspective and focus on what is important instead of getting distracted all the time about left wing and rightwing nontroversies. Develop a backbone of steel. We have an election to win for crying out loud.

    This is my take on the gay marriage issue aka the latest nontroversy du jour.

    After he comes out in favor of gay marriage then what? The media and firebaggers move the goal post again? He comes out for gay marriage and you think the goal posts won’t be moved again? I believe in gay marriage but I am not going to constantly demand that the most progressive President on LGBT issues show his bona fides time and time and time again to prove that he’s worthy of my vote. He has repealed DADT, he has asked his DOJ to stop defending DOMA, he is backing the bill in congress that supports marriage equality, he has come out against NC’s Amendment One, he wholeheartedly supported NY in their legalization of gay marriage. What more do you want? Seriously. What more do you want?

    No one gets to demand that this President come out for gay marriage. You don’t get to dictate what he should and shouldn’t do. You don’t get to demand a timeline of President Obama as to when he comes out for gay marriage or not. This President has hired over 225 LGBT professionals, Romney fired his gay adviser. This President has signed so many laws into existence for the LGBT community. This President has signed so many benefits into law for the LGBT community.

    Do we want him to bleed for us until we decide he is 100% worthy of our vote? Do we want him to be in lockstep with every issue under the sun that matters to us before we decide he is 100% worthy of our vote? This man has fought for every freaking demographic in this country and in other locations around the world yet we cannot give him time and space to come to a decision? This is a very personal decision. He might support gay marriage secretly but has looked at the political landscape and decided we need to win an election for the progress of LGBT rights to continue.

    Do you know that Amendment One in NC is likely to pass? Do you also know that we need NC to become blue again this November? Do you know that NC hasn’t been blue in decades before PBO won the state? Do you know that only about 14K votes helped PBO win in NC? Do you know that if 7K votes or more swung Romney’s way Pres. Obama would lose NC; a very crucial state in the election? Do you also know that a lot of conservative Democrats in NC back Amendment One for whatever warped reason? Do you know that a lot of the Latino vote in NC which we need to win does not support gay marriage in huge numbers? Do you know that a lot of conservative Democrats around the country do not support gay marriage and could switch to the other column in November? Do you know that gay marriage got defeated in the Liberal oasis that is California? We have an election to win. I will repeat that. WE HAVE AN ELECTION TO WIN. If PBO has looked at the landscape and decided this is too politically risky for the Democrats who are we to judge him? If he decides the political landscape is ok and he comes out for gay marriage, who are we to judge him? Do you think a Romney presidency would magically provide 100% equality for the LGBT community? Words are cheap. Actions speak louder.

    We have an election to win people. We have an election to win. Every state is crucial in this election and as much as I respect you all, you don’t get to dictate to President Obama how he goes about in laying the groundwork and winning.

    • 67 collegekay
      May 8, 2012 at 10:02 am

      I agree. I’m getting tired of these wedge issues that take focus off of Romney’s incompetence.

      • 68 Janelle
        May 8, 2012 at 10:11 am

        CK, that was the point. Pundits and reporters decide ahead of time how they will manipulate the discussion because this topic is important to many people in PBO’s big tent coalition. I mentioned this on the prior thread. Gregory on MTP, Chuck Todd’s tweets. It gives an out so that few are talking about Romney’s lies and incompetence. They read the blogs, and this blog as well. It isn’t just PBO’s supporters that come here—trust me the MSM come here as well. I hope everyone remembers that going forward or the next 6 months of MSM manipulation will bring down many people’s spirits—some may become battle fatigued. Don’t do it….be determined, express your opinion, but try not to ruminate for too long or you will lose your focus. Have a great day everyone!

        • 69 collegekay
          May 8, 2012 at 10:14 am

          Yes, this is being used intentionally to divide us.

          • 70 gn
            May 8, 2012 at 10:21 am

            Yup, and if the PL can drag this stuff into pragmatic sites, then we have even fewer spaces in which to celebrate what is unequivocally the most forward-acting presidency of this generation with regards to GLBT rights. Frankly, that would be a big mistake.

          • 71 4morefor44
            May 8, 2012 at 10:25 am

            exactly. second verse, same as the first. now let’s go ’round and ’round.

            • 72 Debz
              May 8, 2012 at 10:57 am

              Thank you a million times, UT. I can not believe this is the first thing I see when this site opens. I am tired of everyone moving the goal posts for this President, and the threats if he doesn’t do what they want. What is truly disappointing is the fact that supporters of this man fell for this obvious GOP generated controversy which was meant to divide democrats.

      • 73 OkeyO
        May 8, 2012 at 11:03 am

        I agree with you CK, Don’t we all no that in this election the winner will select a number of Supreme Court Judges and this men or women would control our lives for the next decade and we now want to throw this oportunity by wedge issues . The Presidents should not be so secound guessed by those who loved him, he has moved this issue further along and those of us who love LGBT should chill and give him a break to make this very personal decision and we all know he always makes the right decision that benefits humanity ” Press On” Here we go again Roberts starts with his show with this push I am just amazed is LGBT the only issue that affects the world.

    • 74 gn
      May 8, 2012 at 10:10 am

      bwd is one of my sheroes, unequivocally, and that aint changing, but I hope that everyone takes heed of this: After he comes out in favor of gay marriage then what? The media and firebaggers move the goal post again?

      BINGO. This same purity scam is being run against African Americans courtesy of Tavis, etc. We’re to believe that because things aren’t 100% perfect or PBO isn’t a 100% dedicated activist for our issues, that we should be dismissive of what he HAS done, and work against ourselves to seat bona fide regressives. Quite frankly, this POTUS has proven his judgment time and time and time and time again. And we are also quite naive to think that once this purity demand is placated, the goalposts won’t simply be moved another notch. I’m sorry, but I’m sticking with my POTUS. He’s gotten too much done and deserves way too much credit to do otherwise.

    • May 8, 2012 at 10:10 am

      Also, if some in the Gay Community don’t trust this President, maybe they should ask Why?

      • May 8, 2012 at 10:13 am

        And why do some in the Gay community hold him to different standards.
        For example: it was bill Clinton who signed DADT and yet the Gay community endorsed Hillary in 08.
        Some, is the operative word, not everybody.

        • 78 collegekay
          May 8, 2012 at 10:15 am

          PBO is held to a different standard. Clinton signed a lot of conservative legislation — Welfare reform, Crime bill, DADT, DOMA.

          I hate to play the race card, but I think that is exactly what it is.

          • 79 gn
            May 8, 2012 at 10:23 am

            He is unequivocally held to a higher standard. For there to be people refusing to credit all that has been done is beyond belief to me. That’s why this stuff is so damaging and divisive to PBO’s coalition, and that’s why the GOP, via the PL, concern trolls about it.

            • May 8, 2012 at 11:14 am

              GN to be honest I don’t think this stuff affects his coalition. The overwhelming majority of his base does not follow the day to day minutie that closely. On the internet however it seems to be doing a number on quite a few people.

              • 81 gn
                May 8, 2012 at 11:32 am

                I think that the Professional Left’s constant harping and downing this POTUS has an effect. I think that it made swing voters think in 2010 that PBO was flailing, had spent a lot of time and money on “sellout” stimulus and HCR, and that “even liberals” couldn’t stand him. That has a very negative effect on the thinking of swing voters who tend to side with the voters who are most empassioned about their candidate. Quite frankly, these purity sites and media shows are a big hindrance to progress, and they have been for three years. The same people who spent months and months screaming about PBO selling us out on DADT (and how wrong they were) are at it again. At what point do we ask ourselves why we waste time reading Markos, Arianna, or watch shows which are so negative and sour on the best POTUS of this generation? Who benefits from this new demand that PBO single-handedly implement GLBT marriage throughout the land or else his media supporters should concern troll him? Hint: not GLBTs, not progressives, not liberals–we’re not getting anything positive out of this; Romney is.

          • 82 4morefor44
            May 8, 2012 at 10:30 am

            as a white person, i agree completely. many of these same people (not meaning here at t.o.d.) ripping on PBO about this one, singular issue wax poetic about the days of bill clinton and have dreams of grandeur about hillary…still. i know this from some people in my personal life and you can see it all over online and the msm, and it’s clearly deep-seeded, subconscious racial artifacts. sad, but true.

          • May 8, 2012 at 10:32 am

            The GOP will be very, very, very busy finding every crack and fissure they can and inserting as big a wedge as they can every day until they take over once again. They are craven liars, deceitful racist pigs who will stop at nothing. This will get much, much worse.

          • 84 Lovepolitics2008
            May 8, 2012 at 11:14 am

            I will say something maybe controversial, but when it comes to progressives, I think race is not the main factor . I’m seriously wondering if it’s not mostly about the almost magical aspect of the 2008 campaign. A candidate with a once in a generation charisma, rallies with unprecedented crowd sizes, an excitement felt ALL OVER THE WORLD, etc…

            Many “progressives” suddenly believed that President Obama would just have to wave a magic wand to make all things better. They won’t admit it, but deep down inside, they believed that change would be easy. Heck, I think we all were too optimistic to different degrees, President Obama included. But since “emoprogs” are living politics on mostly an emotional and ideological level, they were more vulnerable to be swept by magical thinning.

            Yes, President Obama is held to a different standard because he’s black, but he’s held to a different standard ALSO because he is measured against the unrealistic expectations raised by his phenomenal ascend to the Presidency.

            • 85 edp4bho
              May 8, 2012 at 11:28 am

              Yep, yes, and amen !!

            • 86 gn
              May 8, 2012 at 11:40 am

              You raise a really interesting point and perspective. Some of what this POTUS has accomplished in the face of historically unprecedented obstruction, malice, and bad faith on the part of an opposition party *is* nothing short of miraculous. That people are being told to simply not acknowledge that but instead feel poorly about their candidate and POTUS is one part racism (I still think), but also media spin and games, some of it coming from the right, and some of it coming from WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING like Arianna Huffington (and several others in my opinion). Are people falling for unrealistic expectations because they’re magical thinkers, or simply falling for a purity troll which preaches the virtue of all or nothing wherein liberals somehow seem to always get that nothing in a fruitless quest for perfection. IMO people should stop being led by Huffpo/Dailykos/firedoglake, and start reading the common sense and often amazingly prescient writings of people like deaniac (who was right about DADT, the budget compromise, the oil spill, and many other complex achievements that the purity left was a thousand percent wrong about).

              • 87 sabreen60
                May 8, 2012 at 11:53 am

                THIS! I love Deaniac. There are others who have great insight and they are NOT on the TV.

                • 88 gn
                  May 8, 2012 at 12:06 pm

                  Smartypants is another *excellent* source of insights into PBO’s long-range strategies. Both she and deaniac have really great track records with regards to analyzing PBO’s approaches. I remember the debt ceiling compromise when almost everyone else thought that PBO had displayed poor negotiation skills and strategies (Markos Moulitsas and his blog were leaders in condemning that compromise), deaniac (thepeoplesview.net) saw that deal as brilliant and articulated his belief that PBO had actually engineered a beneficial scenario–he was derided at the time and proven absolutely correct months later; he was also extremely prescient re: DADT repeal. Just saying…there are some really good alternative sources out there which have a better record of being correct about the Obama administration.

        • May 8, 2012 at 11:36 am

          Clinton wanted to get rid of the entire ban but he was going up against Sam Nunn who headed the Armed Services Committee. Nunn was quite powerful. DADT was a compomise and twenty years ago it was step in the right direction. Before that it was an automatic discharge.

        • 91 nathkatun7
          May 8, 2012 at 5:36 pm

          Jovie, Bill Clinton also signed DOMA! The Great FDR never backed integration and was silent when it came to backing a federal anti-lynching law. We don’t where Truman, JFK and LBJ stood on the issue of interracial marriages because it was never used as a litmus test to gage their support of Civil Rights. Yet, all these are held out as icons of progressives. Double standards, indeed!

    • 92 taiping1
      May 8, 2012 at 10:16 am

      I agree the travesty is no one goes after aromney and the GOP who are clearly on the wrong side of the issue.

    • 93 prettyfoot58
      May 8, 2012 at 10:17 am

      We have an election to win people. We have an election to win. Every state is crucial in this election
      **********************************

      Wowieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…..

      Do you think a Romney presidency would magically provide 100% equality for the LGBT community? Words are cheap. Actions speak louder.
      **********************************************************

      YOU HAVE SAID IT……

      AMEN!

    • May 8, 2012 at 10:26 am

      These are the points exactly. We must understand that this is an issue that the right is just waiting to exploit. We need to understand: There are many people, many constituencies who would not vote for PBO if he came out now for same sex marriage.

      It would be the most shattering thing he could do politically at this point.

      So many on other sites seem to feel that he would only lose people who were not going to vote for him anyway.

      THis categorically not true. We need to know that and do all we can to support him as he navigates these turbulent waters.

      He knows what he’s doing.

      Thanks, UT.

    • May 8, 2012 at 10:27 am

      Incredible summation, ut. Although I understand what BWD is saying and what she is fighting for, I am in the camp that is working to win this election for the very reasons you so brilliantly bring to life. Every voice needs to be heard and weighed, but I am a pragmatist when it comes to this campaign. Thank you for summoning this argument. In addition to ensuring PBO’s reelection, my greatest worry right now is losing the House and/or the Senate, in which we are all royally screwed.

      Do you have a link or citation for the statement you make about Latinos in NC being against gay marriage? Thx.

    • 96 L3
      May 8, 2012 at 10:34 am

      And what if he does exactly what they want and then loses his re-election? Then we’re all screwed. Sometimes the good of the whole is far more important.

    • 97 Charmed
      May 8, 2012 at 10:47 am

      Amen utaustinliberal

    • 98 anniebella
      May 8, 2012 at 10:49 am

      Bravo UT..

    • 99 Lovepolitics2008
      May 8, 2012 at 10:52 am

      THIS, a thousand, a million times !!!

    • 100 hopefruit2
      May 8, 2012 at 11:06 am

      Ut, this excellent summation needs to be repeated on every thread that this issue comes up. Thanks again.

    • 101 gcwp1
      May 8, 2012 at 11:29 am

      Thank you.

    • May 8, 2012 at 11:56 am

      Thanks ut, I come here for a daily dose of all things gloriously and positively Obama and I get greeted with MORE “concern” about what the president “better” do for gays in order to garner votes…..freaking seriously? BWD, the EXACT same way you have a personal connection to this issue and you are allowed to voice it when it affects you personally is the EXACT same respect you should give to President Obama for his PERSONAL, not political, choices. Why and how do you get to dictate how he should act or decide. I’m so tired of this bs, EVERY FREAKING time the gop/media put a talking point/wedge issue out, some Dems fall all over themselves and others to DEMAND President Obama “fix it”. What happened to Yes, WE can. What have you done on a local level to get laws passed for lgbt folks? What congresscritter have you emailed/twitter bombed about your concerns? I’m a Black woman, and we, as a race, don’t have ALL our issues “fixed” but I appreciate all things he’s accomplished to help everyone. I have gay friends, lost one of my best friends to AIDS, know a couple denied the right to have a child, even by surrogacy and we talk. And you know what, most agree that PBO has done a lot for them and a few want everything they want right now. And I say to them, what are you doing to make it happen? I live in CA and these same gays did NOT push for Prop 8 and were surpised when the bill passed. NOW they want “somebody” to fix it without still putting in the work. You, BWD, need to stop and take a breath. You did this last month with another issue and after a while, to me, it becomes “concern” trolling. If you support President Obama, just support him. Gawd. I’m outta here today. This whole issue is media driven and I’m so tired of folks FORGETTING how the president works and how EVERY SINGLE time there’s a new “non-controvery”, folks start running around with their chicken little mentality. It happens BEFORE he gives a speech, it happens BEFORE he makes a decision, it happens before a jobs report, it happens before a poll comes out, it happens BEFORE he makes a trip, it happens BEFORE he has a chance to take action yet when he makes the speech, makes a decision, makes the trip, folks are “oh wow”, he hit it out of the park, he showed them who he is, he said the right thing, he’s 2 steps ahead of them”…..WHAT did you expect? If you are going to second guess or “before” guess everything he does, what does that say about you? Again, if you support him, support him without qualifiers based on media driven issues…..smh. Sometimes, I wonder…….. I’m gone, I need air……

    • 105 Tally
      May 8, 2012 at 11:59 am

      This x INFINITY. If we make gay marriage the Left’s line in the sand before the election, ROmney wins, and seets back LGBT rights FOREVER, and we get closer to a theocracy.

      Think it can’t happen here? Iran didn’t think it could happen there either.

    • 106 Claire
      May 8, 2012 at 1:08 pm

      Couldn’t agree more utaustin! Well stated!

    • 107 Puddin'
      May 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm

      ut, you expressed what I have been thinking, better than I could have. Thank you!

    • 108 LDS
      May 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm

      Thank you, UT. From the bottom of my heart, I thank you.
      Can we move FORWARD, now and win this!

    • 109 nathkatun7
      May 8, 2012 at 5:26 pm

      UT! I am totally in awe of your political wisdom! Really an excellent commentary. I hope BWD, who I greatly respect, takes time to read it.

  18. 110 utaustinliberal
    May 8, 2012 at 9:58 am
    • May 8, 2012 at 10:08 am

      Tweet this to brad woodhouse!

    • 112 4morefor44
      May 8, 2012 at 10:23 am

      what a disgusting person. he was living off his handed-to-him stock options about that time, and my dad was actually in vietnam fighting! my dad came back to all kinds of financial and emotional struggle, and this jerk mitt was then and now loudly pushing to send other people’s kids to their DEATHS while he collects millions from his privilege and hangs out in france for years?!?! today my dad is a big PBO-backer, and here mittbot is still secreting his entitled ooze and passing it onto his mittspawn…remember last time he spent 10s of millions trying to get himself elected in 2008, and his sons went around on a bus saying they “were serving their country by trying to get their dad elected.” all 5 strapping young men. these rmoneys are really kind of vile people. truly.

  19. 113 amk for obama
    May 8, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Isn’t walker recall election today?

    • 114 Linda
      May 8, 2012 at 10:02 am

      The primary is today.

    • 115 Jessica
      May 8, 2012 at 10:03 am

      I thought it was just a primary for the Dem challengers. But yes they are voting today,

    • 116 desertflower
      May 8, 2012 at 10:03 am

      Today is the day Dems choose who he will run against….at least I’m pretty sure that’s what’s happening:)

    • May 8, 2012 at 10:06 am

      And Lugar is going down today. Maybe POTUS can make use of him in his second Term?
      Afterall, he worked on START and was the first to secure loose nukes with then Senator Obama.
      Which is a big reason, why he is losing to a Tea Bagger!

      • 118 TrumpDog
        May 8, 2012 at 10:28 am

        From my understanding, Lugar turned like a snake on Obama. Now he’s begging for support from Dems.
        Sorry, I don’t feel sorry for him.

  20. May 8, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Also, on this issue, Chuck Todd only sees the Gay issue through a Donor lens.
    He immediately Tweeted- will the Gay Community stop donating to the Presidents Campaign?
    And that is how the media sees it, through a prism of Money and not equal rights!
    Shameful!

    • 120 hopefruit2
      May 8, 2012 at 10:24 am

      So did Greg Sargant of the Plum line. He breathlessly put out about 3 tweets about “top gay donors” witholding donations to PBO. I didn’t hesitate to call out his BS. The media only cares about gay issues (or any civil rights issue for that matter) to the extent they can twist and manufacture controversies to attack and undermine President Obama.

      Meanwhile, Romney is firing gay staffers and the same media whistles past the graveyard. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with this picture!!! The media is irreparably corrupt!

      • May 8, 2012 at 10:37 am

        It is pretty scary how the Robney Camp can push any story they want, for Days and Days and Days.
        Not good!

      • 122 LDS
        May 8, 2012 at 7:03 pm

        What is even wronger(if there is such a word)…..we fall for it every single time. So quick to high five, the next day…..Judas kiss.
        Let this hard working man to the job he was destined to do. Do we really have his back?

    • 123 anniebella
      May 8, 2012 at 10:58 am

      If the Gay Community have any “DAM” sense they won’t stop supporting President Obama, because if they think these right wing radicals is going to give them what they want, they better stop smoking whatever it is they are smoking. These radical right wing folks will get rid of everything the President have done for the Gay Community. Overturn every law pass. And soon same sex marriage won’t be the only thing they would be fighting for. They would be fighting fights they thought they had already won.

      • 124 Puddin'
        May 8, 2012 at 2:51 pm

        My Mama always said, “a hard head makes a soft behind”. We will see if folks will do the right thing.

  21. May 8, 2012 at 10:05 am
  22. 128 4morefor44
    May 8, 2012 at 10:12 am

    i wonder how much of his personal money mittbot has spent on his various campaigns over the years. that would probably make a good talking point for democrats, since it’s well into the 10s of millions, and maybe even approaching $100 million? and he’s only one once? this guy is a loooooooser.

  23. 129 Me4obama
    May 8, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Dear President Obama, as your NO.1 supporter with 2 Gay family members I ask you to come out for Gay Marriage after you are Re-elected. History will judge you for your ACTIONS NOT YOUR WORDS. FYI, Gays also care about NOT Repealing Obamacare by Romney etc.

  24. 131 dogcatplant
    May 8, 2012 at 10:13 am

    I’m confused….BWD’s former site would never, ever have allowed such disagreement with PBO on any issue for any reason be posted. What gives? I asked once, why can’t we disagree with some of PBO’s policies, and got a pretty mean response.

    I happen to agree with BWD’s comments fully on this and hope that my president won’t wait till after the election to support same sex marriage. I support PBO fully, and will work like a dog (no pun intended) to get him re-elected. But some of his policies I disagree with. Why is that a mortal sin at sites like this? Please advise.

  25. 143 ranman11
    May 8, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Has it ever occurred to those who are trying to force President Obama to come out in favor of gay-marriage that just maybe, he is struggling with a core spiritual principle of his because who truly does not believe in gay-marriages. However, PBO will not allow existing laws to stand that prevents gay-marriages from taken place nor will has pass legislation that prevents the same.

    I personally think it is absolutely appalling and extremely selfish to try and force anyone to abandon their core spiritual principle believe just to satisfy the selfish want of others.

    The advice I will give to President Obama is this: During one Jays press briefing, interrupt it unbeknownst to Jay and tell the press core that due to his core spiritual principle believe can not support gay-marriages but he will continue to do everything he can to prevent laws from stopping gay-marriages. (President leaves the podium without taking any questions and advises his staff and cabinet members to not answer any questions relative to this issue on his behalf just refer to his remarks).

    • 144 collegekay
      May 8, 2012 at 10:21 am

      “Has it ever occurred to those who are trying to force President Obama to come out in favor of gay-marriage that just maybe, he is struggling with a core spiritual principle of his because who truly does not believe in gay-marriages. However, PBO will not allow existing laws to stand that prevents gay-marriages from taken place nor will has pass legislation that prevents the same.”

      ^^^^ Personally, that is what I suspect. When I read his second book, his chapter about faith talks about this. He talks about how he felt bad that a lesbian supporter wrote him because his website said he did not favor gay marriage because of his Christian faith. He immediately told his staff to remove it from his site because he really felt for the woman. PBO cares deeply about his constituencies and his supporters. But he also has his own personal faith that NONE OF US will be able to dissect.

      I trust him when he says he’s “evolving” on the issue. I truly believe he will endorse it in his second term. If he choses to do it sooner, he will.

    • May 8, 2012 at 10:24 am

      It might help if somebody told us what Black Theology taught Him?
      Me thinks, it goes back to Religious Denomination.
      Hence, It might take him a while to come out In favor of it?

    • 146 utaustinliberal
      May 8, 2012 at 10:27 am

      I don’t in any way believe it’s a core spiritual principle thing for Pres. Obama. When the time is right, he’ll come out in favor of gay marriage. If he never does, oh well, so be it. His actions have spoken louder and have far more advanced rights and benefits for the LGBT community than many who are in that community and continuously sit on their hands instead of advancing the cause.

    • 149 L3
      May 8, 2012 at 10:41 am

      Agreed. I think it’s quite possible and everyone is entitled to move at their own pace to resolve these matters. It feels as though he’s being bullied to evolve when often it takes time for gay people to fully reconcile they are gay. So gay people can evolve and come out at a time of their choosing but PBO can’t do the same? Take your time PBO, take your time.

    • 150 nospin
      May 8, 2012 at 1:59 pm

      “he is struggling with a core spiritual principle of his because who truly does not believe in gay-marriages. However, PBO will not allow existing laws to stand that prevents gay-marriages from taken place nor will has pass legislation that prevents the same.”

      Thank you ranman11.

  26. May 8, 2012 at 10:15 am
    • May 8, 2012 at 10:25 am

      Therein lies the problem.
      Good tweet!

    • 153 utaustinliberal
      May 8, 2012 at 10:28 am

      Ain’t that the truth. So RT’ing this.

    • 154 carla4obama
      May 8, 2012 at 11:16 am

      “We have an election to win”. A house divided will fall ….. so yes, let’s use our energy to expose the slime of the GOP. We are soo easily distracted and Repugs know it. They have beautifully neutralized any negativity from Romney letting his solo gay hire go. And guess what…we helped them. They are playing with us , we fall for it, they step back watch the backlash against our president, and laugh. If NC goes down today, you have your answer as to what the president is up against. “We have an Election to win”.

  27. 155 AnitaW
    May 8, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Nice sentiment. And, I think we all know someone who is gay. In my case, my brother who lives in a racist state and until recently hid this fact from friends and family. And, while BWD’s post is nicely stated, I respectfully disagree with POTUS being on the wrong side of history. I don’t think POTUS is against gay marriage and I don’t him to say so either way.

    There will always be people who hate gays, who hate blacks, who hate Mexicans, who hate women and so on. The LGBT issue is not about people liking gays or accepting them, but about discrimination. And this POTUS gets it or we would still have DADT or the Administration would still be defending DOMA. Or gay couples in Federal jobs would not be getting the same benefits. Unless we get him a Congress who is willing to overturn DOMA every step forward (no pun intended) will later be lost to two steps backwards.

    I think the folks here are some of the most intelligent and down right funniest on the internet. Especially on this blog. However, at times we all seems to descend into reactionary, heads on fire chickens to every news cycle. Every time we do that the GOP wins because they are controlling the narrative. Instead, we should be highlighting Romney’s lack of policy details or failure to disclose his taxs, which the media has failed to cover.

    Just saying.

    • 156 ranman11
      May 8, 2012 at 10:27 am

      I agree, especially on us losing the narrative.

    • 157 Hachikō
      May 8, 2012 at 10:38 am

      “The LGBT issue is not about people liking gays or accepting them, but about discrimination.” Precisely. And the President is doing everything, within his executive power, to put an end to the discrimination of our gay brothers and sisters without sending the rightwing into a homophobic frenzy. Look at what the rightwing states (now a majority of the states) have done on the issue of women’s rights JUST BECAUSE the president has championed this issue. Imagine if he came out and SAID he’s for marriage equality. There would be such a rash of anti-gay legislation across this country, it’d make the war on women seem like a pimple.

      Actions speak louder than words. The President’s actions over the last 3 1/2 years to ensure the equal rights, safety and happiness of our LGBT citizens say more than any soundbite the media or liberals want to hear come out of his mouth.

  28. 159 dogctplant
    May 8, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Okay, I’m confused. BWD is disagreeing with PBO. I thought any negative comment, or thought about PBO or his policies was banned. What gives? What has changed? Does this mean that those of us like me who love and respect PBO but disagree with some of his policies, will be able to be heard? I hope so. I agree w/ BWD on this, but am also aware that he can’t do it until after the election.

    • May 8, 2012 at 10:25 am

      “I thought any negative comment, or thought about PBO or his policies was banned”

      So you missed our disagreements on gay marriage, Afghanistan, etc?

      If you’re just here to troll ‘bye bye'; if you have something to contribute then ‘welcome’.

      • 161 dogctplant
        May 8, 2012 at 10:53 am

        I am a devoted Obama supporter and always will be. I’m not sure how all these comments/threads, etc work. and thought my first comment didn’t take so I made another.
        I am not able to read everyday because i have three jobs, so i guess I missed all the disagreements and arguments on policy.
        This is only the third time I’ve ever posted a comment anywhere, and will not make the same mistake again.
        I’ll just keep working for my president and contribute money to his campaign when I can. I’ve met him on several occasions and will always support him.
        I’m very sorry I tried to participate.

        • May 8, 2012 at 11:00 am

          You’re not able to read the blog every day yet you still felt in a position to comment on what is or isn’t discussed here? Interesting.

          It’s just a pity your debut here was snark-laden and fact-free, and that you chose to comment for the first time here when you spotted an opportunity for division.

          Methinks ‘troll’ is the word.

          Have a nice life dogctplant, bye.

          • May 8, 2012 at 1:42 pm

            Point for concern trolls… If you *are* a plant, don’t have the word “plant” anywhere in your handle.

            Don’t worry, you’ll be plenty obvious anyway.

            Trust us on that one. ;) :D

    • May 8, 2012 at 10:42 am

      What do you want, a note to go to the cafeteria to get a cookie? We are struggling with a lot of issues here day in and day out. But we are not interested in self-pity. First and foremost, we are a WORKFORCE. The election is SIX months away.

  29. May 8, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Can someone tell me HOW the President can get marriage equality passed at this time?

    • May 8, 2012 at 10:34 am

      He can’t! But, he has Stopped defending it in Court and the Administration finds it in constitutional.
      But, Boner has vowed to keep fighting it in Court and has hired many Lawyers to defend it!

  30. 168 JER
    May 8, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Starting Soon: VP Biden addresses the Rabbinical Assembly’s Annual Convention in Atlanta – http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=4

  31. May 8, 2012 at 10:36 am

    tired of folks trying to make this President take a position.

    he has done nothing but clean up Bill Clinton’s SHYT when it comes to gays and lesbians…

    just go and vote for Romney and see what he does for you.

  32. 170 4morefor44
    May 8, 2012 at 10:37 am

    well, good to get this out of the now rather than october or so. they won’t have many more wedge issues left to divide democrats after this one. as usual, the republicans are horrible at timing and not thinking long-game. fine by me. it’ll just makes us stronger in the long-run, i guess.

  33. 171 Bill R.
    May 8, 2012 at 10:38 am

    This kind of attempt on the part of some supporters won’t help the cause of equal marriage one bit, nor will it sway PBO one bit if he believes it is not in the best interest of defeating the radical right. The equal marriage cause is not determined at the federal level. It happens at the state level. As we can see here the implied weapon is to deny support on the basis of a single agenda, which is divisive and has a divisive effect.

    • 172 edp4bho
      May 8, 2012 at 11:09 am

      You summed it up precisely. Leave the man alone, everybody. He’s the best you’ll ever have. Be grateful.

  34. 173 amk for obama
    May 8, 2012 at 10:41 am

    China buying oil from Iran with yuan

    China is buying crude oil from Iran using its currency the yuan, an Iranian diplomat has said.

    Oil transactions are usually settled in dollars but US sanctions make it difficult for Iran to accept payments in the US currency.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17988142

    Yet another proof that all the sabre rattling ways of doing things (neocons’ wet dreams) are over

  35. May 8, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Good Mahnin’ O’s!!! What a great getting up morning again in TODville, even though I do believe the O train commuters may be getting off track with this last fauxerversy. C’mon people, we can’t be distracted by the next shiny object. Leave the poutrage to the other side, we are a fact based community and the fact is…VPB didn’t endorse gay marriage. He simply said that where gay marriage is allowed (state sanctioned), then those unions should be afforded every right as those of heterosexual partners. He didn’t speak as a policy maker and said exactly that. We are allowing the MSM to interpret what he said to further their agenda, ratings, and news cycle. PBO is his own man and he is not bound to invite us into his innermost feelings on any subject. He was elected to govern this nation, lead us to a prosperous and equitable future. He’s doing that and with our help, he’ll do it for the next four years. I don’t get why this has been laid at PBO’s feet as some sort of trial or test of his willingness to make the LBGT community feel that he has their back. If they don’t know him by now, they’ll never know him, and there is soemthing else going on that has nothing to do with where PBO stands. Ok off the soapbox, it’s still a great getting up day.

  36. 177 amk for obama
    May 8, 2012 at 10:47 am

    I suggest that those who feel one way or the other about this wedge issue express their opinions in this thread and get it over with and not carry it to future threads,

    • 178 L3
      May 8, 2012 at 10:50 am

      Great suggestion. I’m ready to move to the next thread.

    • 179 collegekay
      May 8, 2012 at 10:51 am

      Totally agree with this. I’m tired of discussing it. It’s divisive and it will get us nowhere. Even as we debate PBO’s stance on SSM, Romney is still out there being a serial liar.

    • 184 edp4bho
      May 8, 2012 at 11:12 am

      I have a suggestion. Why don’t we discuss reparations for African Americans. PBO is not in favor of that, either. Game anyone? See how this can go?

  37. 186 sherijr
    May 8, 2012 at 10:49 am

    well its amazing that this is an ‘issue’ for Pres Obama suddenly. Right after Romney fires his gay staffer… suddenly it’s all about “Obama”. More media gaming folks… and too many folks playing along, imo.

    I am the step-sister to a gay brother.. and luckily hes a smart guy and supports the candidate that he knows also supports him. I have mixed feelings on the President sharing his ‘feelings’ on supporting gay marriage.. as much as I like him to think/ feel as I do.. I don’t NEED him too. He has clearly proclaimed his support for equal rights for LGBT folks.. and he has very clearly put policy into place giving equal rights to gays in many areas.. but I never lose focus of Congress’ part in all of this… nor do I ever lose focus on the Republicans and their wish/desire and plans to take away those policies and those rights.

    Nor do I ever lose sight of the MEDIA’s gameplan and their wish to see POTUS humiliated, hurt and his time as President ended.. purely for fun and profit. FACT is that MOST of us love someone who is gay.. and FACT is, we also know who opposes our loved one’s rights.. and who is on their side.

  38. 187 hopefruit2
    May 8, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Here we are, devoting our entire Tuesday morning to a discussion focusing on President Obama and his personal views, when instead we could be focusing on Romney and his dangerous ideas and policies.

    This is the first president I’ve seen where people feel that their votes and support for him dictates that he fulfills their every wish and fantasy.

    The people who are supporting Mitt Romney cannot tell you were he stands on a single issue – policy-wise, much less know what his private beliefs and thoughts are!!! And that INCLUDES the MEDIA and some Republican gays like the Log Cabin Republicans!!!

    Yet President Obama must be made to lie on the analyst’s couch and tell us in detail every damn private thought than runs through his head, just because he has our vote? If that’s our standard, then we don’t really support him, instead we are trying to CONTROL him.

    Gay people I’m sure like any other group aren’t just about same-sex marriage. Like all of us I’m sure they care about

    1. Jobs and Economy
    2. Environment
    3. Education
    4. Health Care
    5. War
    6. Energy independence
    7. Women’s rights
    8. Poverty

    • 188 sherijr
      May 8, 2012 at 10:57 am

      well said hopefruit.. its that good ole double standard being applied once again and still.

    • 189 amk for obama
      May 8, 2012 at 10:59 am

      Hopefully this will be last such thread here. I fucking hate navel gazing. (I’ve a slight paunch has got nothing do with it)

      • May 8, 2012 at 11:46 am

        Me too, amk (“I hate naval gazing”). To my knowledge, I’m the only person openly gay here (after reading thousands and thousands) of comments. ..and utaustin’s mini rant speaks for me. But I’m glad for the opportunity to say how pissed I am that THIS is what we’re alllowing our chains to be jerked when Romney is trying to rewrite history about the auto bailout.

        Last week it was all about PBO spiking the ball re OBL. Can’t we see what they, Romney and the repubs. are trying to do? They know that “Osama is dead and GM is alive” has power so their job is to destroy it. I could say more, I want to but I’m trying to not burn bridges.

        • 191 amk for obama
          May 8, 2012 at 11:49 am

          “They know that “Osama is dead and GM is alive” has power so their job is to destroy it”.

          Exactly.

  39. 192 Esmerelda
    May 8, 2012 at 11:03 am

    This is what PBO said when he was running: it’s at the end of the interview at 06:33

    He’d set up a civil union that was equal to heterosexual unions in every respect under federal law. Marriage will be left up to individual religious denominations to define. How is that to be interpreted as him being ‘against gay marriage’? He thinks gay couples should have all the rights and freedoms that non-gay couples have and that to me puts him on the right side of history. Now, if he ‘comes out for gay marriage’, how would his position be different to the one he already has as far as the state is concerned? What laws will he be able to change with this Congress?

    I think we’re falling victim to media spin and I’m just glad this is happening in May and not October.

    • 193 sherijr
      May 8, 2012 at 11:06 am

      thank you Esmerelda for posting the video.. I believe he has always made his position clear.. and once again the media is playing folks.

  40. 194 cluny
    May 8, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Hi – Cluny here – a non US citizen lurker and fan of the site. Can I make a suggestion? I noticed how in 2008 all the lefty blogs worked together really well often co ordinating media pushback against idiotic memes. I think it may be time to do that again. You need to work with some of the good bloggers on the other sites (yes even people on DK – Jed Lewison is good I think) when shocking stories like Romney claiming credit for the autobailout come out. The media are a bunch of corrupt, self serving whores but even they panic when there is significant pushback. You need to stop angsting over the gay marriage thing and change the story in your favour. At the moment there doesn’t seem yo be much of a game plan happening between Obama supporters. I wish you all luck and hope that PBO is re-elected. You know, many around the world love PBO and hope tat he prevails in November but you’ve got a really big fight in your hands and it’s going to take serious work with registration and getting out the vote. The media is for Romney – no question – so please put aside differences and work together again to get PBO the win.

    Thanks,

    Cluny

    • 195 amk for obama
      May 8, 2012 at 11:16 am

      Well said cluny. As a ferriner myself, I hope the entire left, not just Obama supporters, gets its shit together and keep their fucking eyes on the fucking ball.

      Pahdon my FF.

  41. May 8, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Ok, this has officially pissed me off. For a blog who touts itself as a blog that doesn’t fall into the media chatter and bullshit, you have just fell smack dab into it. And I AM TIRED OF IT!! I’m tired of holding my tongue on this. I’m gonna speak my mind and get ready, because this may piss people off. Whenever I hear a gay person, especially a WHITE gay person tell me that they have a movement akin to the Civil Rights Movement, I scoff. I look at that person, because that person doesn’t know a goddamn thing about it. It took bloodshed, fearlessness, a sense of knowing and understanding that even a drop of progress was progress. No one broke down and cried when Jim Crow laws were passed, we just kept it moving. No one cried when black folks were kicked out of the Republican Party by the lily white movement, we kept it moving till we got to Brown v. Board of Education. Between it all, we had mass murders, lynchings, suicides, maimings, loss of property and livelihoods. We had to fight against all of that to be where we are today. I’ll admit, its a hell of a lot better for me than for any black person in my family, but looking at the disparity of the job situation, the various shootings of innocent black men and the second guessing of any black man or woman to do his or her job, and that includes the President of the United States.

    I am so tired of hearing from White Gay and Lesbians, and I say White Gays and Lesbians, because that is all I am seeing doing this, (Andrew Sullivan, Rachel Maddow, Dan Savage, Jon Arovosis, ALL OF GOPROUD, and Log Cabin Republicans) seeing Barack Obama as some magical negro who if he says four words, that all will be right with the world. He is President, not King, not God, and certainly not the Dr. King or Ralph Abernathy of the Gay Civil Rights Movement. The ones who should be aren’t anywhere to be around, and the ones that could be are to enclosed in their world to really cause action. Usually, these folks live in lily white enclaves in America, be it Manhattan, San Francisco, Boston and such. And this is the largest problem with the current crop of the GLBT Rights Community. Its centered on nothing but white people. RICH white people. Who blamed the Prop 8 debacle on Black People. Who seem to want to blame Amendment 1 on black people in case it fails.There are Black, Latino, Pacific Islander, Native American Gays and Lesbians who I have NEVER seen at the forefront. Prop 8 failed because we didn’t see anyone go into the lions den and go to the Black Church, go into black neighborhoods, go to anywhere which would be designated black stomping ground and SPEAK TO US! We were just EXPECTED to be on your side, and when you figured out we weren’t, instead of looking back and figuring out where you went wrong, you blamed us. You tried to guilt US, instead leaving us to cast an even harder stance on the issue. You didn’t learn that you weren’t entitled in this nation for every right and that everyone here is STILL trying to make that founding document as true as possible. Your white entitlement came out, showed itself, and turned off a lot more folks than brought in. It made people receptive to your arguments NOT GIVE A SHIT!! I see a lot wrong with the GLBT Rights Movement.

    Case in point

    Was he right, yes. Did he come off as a pretentious shit while doing it, FUCK. YES. He didn’t respect those kids, which probably wanted to be receptive of his views. He didn’t respect them, he belittled them. He mocked them and chided them. He didn’t debate them, he tried to shame them. He defeated any purpose of what he was trying to do, which was try to show he was human just like him. I actually like Dan Savage too. I like his bluntness at times. His “Lets Get Better Campaign” was a great idea and I support it. It was when he said, “Fuck You” to the President that I got pissed. The one guy who would help with knocking down “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”, stop defending DOMA, kill the AIDS Travel Ban, have more Gay and Lesbian folks in his Administration than any other President. This is when I started to stop caring. MLK never cursed out President Eisenhower, President Kennedy, or President Johnson. He treated them, and everybody with respect and courtesy, while never wavering with his core message to have Civil Rights for everyone in America. People who want to support this and see that, and wonder why should I when they treat people who disagree with them like this? Does Barack Obama do that? Hell, he said in his campaign speech that Mitt Romney was a nice man who was a great American and raised a wonderful family before cutting into him. And people have the NERVE of saying he doesn’t know what he’s doing at times. I’m seeing today that he’s President, something I thought I would never see. People who are threatening now not to vote for him for this issue, though in 2008, you were fine with it enough not to get McCain/Moosewoman in. Hell, don’t vote for him then. I’d rather you not. People are saying that he would be remembered for this as a stain on this legacy. Well, I guess we shouldn’t commend President Johnson on the Civil and Voting Rights Acts passing. Or President Kennedy, for making sure that King wasn’t murdered in cold blood in jail. How about President Truman when he desegregated the military. President Lincoln shouldn’t get the credit he deserves either, since he wanted to send freemen to Liberia or the West Indies after slavery then.

    If there are Gays and Lesbians that want to sit out this election, and take this as a bold warning, and let that venomous snake Mitt Romney in, who by the way has financed Anti-Gay initiatives such as this, Black folks will remember and it will be hell to pay before you can get most of us back into the fold again. Try us. Thats all I gotta say on this. Do what you want with it. This is how I feel.

    • 197 amk for obama
      May 8, 2012 at 11:13 am

      Excellent rant. I must say I’m little sad as well as surprised that bwd and chips fell for this media induced crap. Hopefully this will be the last of it.

      • 198 carla4obama
        May 8, 2012 at 11:35 am

        Anotherslyfox. YES, you and UT echo what I feel. Your passion had me marching with MLK. I remember when MLK first met Robert Kennedy. Robert was not “ready” to take on the whole civil rights issue at first. But MLK told those close to him that he saw in Robert a good man and that he would come around in time. MLK did it with respect towards where Bobby was coming from. What we have here today is lack of respect. Like someone said before the trouble with dems…we fall in love and republicans fall in line. We have 6 months and we better figure this shit out.

        • 199 Ahero62
          May 8, 2012 at 1:37 pm

          Can you imagine a president Romney and a couple more right wing supreme court judges he is going to appoint doing more for the LGBT community? I arrest my case.

      • 200 nathkatun7
        May 8, 2012 at 11:06 pm

        Amk, I share your sadness and surprise. I still don’t get why, all of a sudden, what the President says, which will not change anything, is more important, and a defining moment of his legacy, than what he actually does.

    • 201 L3
      May 8, 2012 at 11:17 am

      Amen. I agree with every word.

    • 202 sherijr
      May 8, 2012 at 11:18 am

      well said anotherslyfox.

    • 203 collegekay
      May 8, 2012 at 11:24 am

      Amen.

    • May 8, 2012 at 11:26 am

      bravo bravo bravo.

      wish there was a like button.

      i’d like this 1000 times

    • May 8, 2012 at 11:43 am

      excellent!!! I had to leave for a bit, but came back to a most wunnerful rant. Thanks for this perspective.

    • 206 itgurl_29
      May 8, 2012 at 11:51 am

      THIS.

    • 207 edp4bho
      May 8, 2012 at 11:53 am

      Clap clap clap clap clap…. Finally. You cleared the stale air with this Bravo !!

    • 208 utaustinliberal
      May 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm

      Thanks you sooooooooo much for this well worded commentary. It is a not a rant in my opinion, but a wonderful commentary. Chips, THIS is what needs to be “A Word.” THIS should be turned into ” A Word From AnotherSlyFox” not the headless chicken hair on fire freakout that BWD and you, – as much I love you both – subjected us to. The discussion has to be fair and I think this brilliant commentary should be turned into “A Word From AnotherSlyFox”

      Thank you so much for this dose of pragmatic wisdom AnotherSlyFox. Thank you so much. I’m tired of the bloody dumb freakouts.

    • May 8, 2012 at 12:24 pm

      Agree X 1,000,000,000……. I’m sick of all this and saddened AND angry that PERSONAL choices were used to post this non-troversy again…

    • May 8, 2012 at 12:50 pm

      I can’t express myself any better than you, UT, amk for Obama and Hachiko have on this nontreversy.

      This right here: “If there are Gays and Lesbians that want to sit out this election, and take this as a bold warning, and let that venomous snake Mitt Romney in, who by the way has financed Anti-Gay initiatives such as this, Black folks will remember and it will be hell to pay before you can get most of us back into the fold again. Try us. Thats all I gotta say on this. Do what you want with it. This is how I feel.”

      Romney has explicitly stated he will enforce discrimination. Do you believe him? No? Well, look at what he did with his gay spokesperson – that’s what will await you if you sit on your hands and asses. Romney sent financial support to NOM – who wants nothing to do with gay issues.

      Romney is lying every time he speaks with explicit help from #mediarazzi and we’re demonizing black people. As was pointed out by you, where are persons of color within GBLT leadership? Are they invisible? Do they have any rights within the GBLT community? You judge a man/woman by their actions and deeds; not their words. What are we talking about here? How many times do we have to get played like a marionette plays its puppet? None of us are Pavlov’s dogs, yet we respond as if we were. #ENOUGH

      I’ve no more time for this and am so disappointed that this is a front page issue. I come here for the camaraderie, joviality, the community of spirit; not to see a front page like this. Chips, BWD, still love you both but let this be the last time we do this to PBO, MO. We have Romney out there willing to do every thing he can to lie his way into the White House.

      #FORWARD

    • 212 dannie22
      May 8, 2012 at 3:16 pm

      Excellent brother. Proud of you!

  42. May 8, 2012 at 11:13 am

    FORWARD.

  43. 219 Ladyhawke
    May 8, 2012 at 11:16 am

    LOLGOP ‏ @LOLGOP

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    Mitt Romney: This President is so bad that I’m dying to take credit for his accomplishments.

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  44. 220 Slick9
    May 8, 2012 at 11:22 am

    i have to agree with UTAustilLiberal, while BWD’s friends sound like great people and I agree that espousment of equality is the goal we are all striving for, I think we should remember that first and foremost without strategy there will be no achievement of any goal. too many times in the last campaign and since President Obama has been in office too many people have been unable to see the long game, preferring instead to opt for the short term pleasure of instant gratification. yes, i would like to see President Obama stand up during the state of the union and say “you fucking lazy ass republicans…” yes, that would make me feel good, but what impact would that have on all the great things this man is trying to and succeeding in achieving? how would that 5 seconds of pleasure impact a lifetime of achievements still being worked on? we cannot lose sight of the long term, the long game, the road beyond the curve, or whatever you call it. we don’t want Robney to win the white house because we know he would be like Bush, unable to see beyond today, unable to see the impact of his decisions on other people and the long term impact. (think “don’t ask, don’t tell”) President Obama has shown time and again that he plans for the long term, he moves deliberately and not on a whim, and what are the results? end of don’t ask, don’t tell, Obamacare (and i say that proudly), saving the auto companies, etc. etc. so knowing all this why do we continue to call for him to change his winning approach to satisfy this particular moment of “now” for us? let’s remember, the long term people, as my dear mother always used to remind me when I was growing up, “if it’s worth doing, do it right!!” – last thing, on this particular topic of gay marriage, have we forgotten already, healthcare is dead – it wasn’t, don’t ask, don’t tell, won’t be repealed – now you can ask, and you can tell, what more does this president have to do for us to trust him? Ok, rant over!!!

  45. May 8, 2012 at 11:30 am

    FYI – In half-hour, Senate student loan cloture vote.

  46. 224 Me4obama
    May 8, 2012 at 11:32 am

    BTW the Media has moved on from Gay Marriage\ Rights to Gay Donors. So we might as well move on since this MSM manufactured controversy is not going to bring about change but ONLY to divide Obama supporters. This is my last comment on this topic.

  47. 225 nintendowii10
    May 8, 2012 at 11:40 am

    OK, I’m making this as less of a concern troll rant as possible, but the emoleft have lost their gourd if they think working AGAINST President Obama will get them their agenda, especially this specific topic of gay marriage equality.

    It’s been under THIS President that DADT was repealed, that he’s ENDED defending DOMA. What more obvious signs must there be that President Obama supports LGBT rights? Do these clowns like Dan Choi believe that they’d get more rights under a President Romney?

    This President keeps moving the agenda FORWARD (there’s that fancy campaign slogan that we all enjoy), and that includes equal rights for ALL Americans, including the LGBT. The emo whiners need to shut their traps and get behind the President, because he has worked his butt off to get gay marriage equality established.

    FORWARD 2012!!!!

    • 226 Lovepolitics2008
      May 8, 2012 at 11:56 am

      The emoprogs want to punish the president for not renovating the kitchen fast enough, while the republicans are putting the house on fire.

      It’s psychological. They don’t get it. They NEVER got it. They didn’t learn anything from 2010. Republicans gaining power and states and dismantling progress fought for decades on civil rights, women rights, union rights ? They either don’t see it, or don’t care.

      In a society, we need denunciators. We need people pushing for ideals. In every country, there are people, even political parties playing that role. In America, with the two party system, with so many structural advantages for the conservatives (dysfunctional media, total corruption of politics by money, Senate composition, Senate rules, etc) the ideologs can’t just whine and do their separate little thing. When the f*** are they going to understand that in order to defeat the reactionaries, they have to STAY into the democratic coalition ?

      EACH TIME they abandoned the democratic coalition, it resulted in America going backwards. 1980, 2000, 2010. God I’m so tired of this.

  48. 227 amk for obama
    May 8, 2012 at 11:41 am

    \O/ \O/ \O/

    Beating the drums for a new thread.

  49. 231 Ladyhawke
    May 8, 2012 at 11:42 am

    PAUL RYAN THINKS JULIA IS “CREEPY”

    ‘The Life of Julia’

    By Steve Benen

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    The point of the project is fairly obvious: throughout a woman’s life, Obama has an agenda that provides protections and benefits that offer opportunities, while Romney has an agenda that does largely the opposite. Head Start programs help “Julia” at age 3; college aid benefits her at 17; the Affordable Care Act covers her at age 22; the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act protects her at 23, Medicare covers her at 65, etc.

    The right is not at all fond of “Julia’s” story.
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    The right finds “The Life of Julia” to be an extension of a socialistic worldview. Fine. Then let’s have a debate about which of the public benefits conservatives intend to destroy, present that to the electorate, and see whether voters agree.

    Incidentally, Judith Grey reports that Republicans have been seething about the Obama campaign’s feature, but women seem to like it quite a bit.

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    http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/08/11597808-the-life-of-julia

    • 232 nintendowii10
      May 8, 2012 at 11:44 am

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  50. 235 Ladyhawke
    May 8, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Republicans Laugh, But Women Relate to ‘The Life of Julia’

    May 6, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

    In just two days, ‘Julia’ has already been liked over 37,000 times on Facebook, writes Judith Grey.

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    “Julia” “is a very effective form of communication,” veteran Democratic consultant Bob Shrum told me Friday, saying Julia clarified the clear choice between the candidates on a whole set of issues relating to women, tying in with what he said was the overall theme of the Obama campaign: “who is going to stand up and fight for you?”

    Far from discouraged, Shrum seemed heartened by the conservative response: “I sure wish Romney would go out in this campaign and say, ‘I don’t want the government providing these prenatal services to women. I don’t want the government providing programs for kids to go to college. I don’t want the government providing Medicare as a single guaranteed system that protects seniors.’”

    Shrum makes a good point. While advocating for a life that’s continually dependent on government intervention is generally considered political suicide in America, explicitly proposing the opposite seems equally as damaging.

    To avoid the issue altogether, Shrum predicts that the Republicans will take the campaign “to a level of abstraction” he doesn’t think “is very persuasive to voters.”

    He is convinced that “what’s powerful about the Obama slide show is that it deals in specifics that people very much care about.”

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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/06/republicans-laugh-but-women-relate-to-the-life-of-julia.html

  51. May 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    I’m sorry BWD, but you are VERY WRONG. What is happening is that people are projecting their REAL FEAR of GOP & Wingnut noise-making power into making Pres. Obama a “Scape-Goat” (as in Greek Tragedies) for those fears. It is instructive that the very people lashing out at Pres. Obama have said ZERO to fight against the slew of marriage Amendments being pushed by religious folk around the country. Pres. Obama’s verbal assurance that he supports gay marriage will do zilch to stem the tide of hyper-bigotry being unleashed on us all.

    It’s as if people like BWD have a death wish. If, as you yourself say, PBO is our last firewall against the real DOOM that Repugs will unleash on us, why do we wanna cripple that firewall? Why?? More importantly a verbal statement from him does SQUAT for LGBTQ rights SQUAT!

    What more do folks want? His DEEDS show where his priorities lie. I thought we were the -reality-based crowd? He is NOT a therapist. The menace we face from the fucking GOP demands steely-eyed realism not group therapy sessions. He “walks like a duck, talks like a duck, he is a duck, for Pete’s sake. He is on the side of Gays!! We do not have the luxury at this point to nurse hurt feelings because PBO has not yet voiced approval. Sheesh?

    So he does say the magic words, then the last round of Wingnut hellfire rains on him even more than it is a this point. He loses, we all lose. Then what? We sit in a corner commiserating together while the nasty wingnuts UNDO EVERY fucking single civil rights progress of the last century and further back? Is that what we want?

    BWD and others cut it out. IT is a war out there and the other side is rigging the fucking game. And when it all settles PBO’s voiced or unvoiced approval of gay marriage will be the last thing we would be talking about. It will be brass-knuckle fight for survival!

    People should read up on the history of the African American Civil Rights struggle sometime. It fucking took 400 years of taking to steps forward then 20 steps backward, inn order to get a few measly rights thrown our way. But even now those few rights are under constant threat. Perspective, people, get some perspective.

    P.S. I apologize for the salty language. I’m miffed that’s all.

  52. 241 forward44
    May 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Sorry, but I just had to drop this comment here from another thread. I think it says it all, and is from an LGBT.

    ““The man wishes that ALL states pass gay marriage, then he’s working to repeal DOMA so that those state marriages can get federal recognition, hence the full list of federal rights just like all hetero couples.
    He’s come out against backward propositions and amendments in states, like Amendment 1, which by the way gets voted on today, and btw,has anybody bothered to put up a fierce fight against that beside the black clergy in NC?

    Point is, by all means and purposes his ACTIONS are pro-gay marriage under the LAW, with the ENTIRE list of rights under the gov’t equal for ALL.
    What more do we need from this man? For him to yell out the WH window that he’s pro-gay marriage? Aren’t those just words? His ACTIONS are already saying it loud and clear! And last I heard, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!

    I don’t NEED his verbal approval or rhetoric, his ACTIONS are already doing wonders for me and my LGBT brothers and sisters!
    Now our concentration should be on making sure we win back the Congress so we can repeal DOMA, and then the deal is done, my NY or MA, or CT, or CA or whatever state same sex marriage will be recognized federally NATIONWIDE. THAT, is the goal! I don’t care about his “personal feelings”, I care about what he’s DOING in spite of them because he doesn’t believe that his “religious feelings” should change the law.
    He respects the law, regardless of his “religious feelings”! That is the type of politician we should commend, not deride. Follow the law, equal rights for all, and keep your religion to yourself, that’s what he’s doing!”

  53. 242 MomSense
    May 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    First, marriage laws vary by state. This is not a federal issue with the exception of DOMA (signed by Clinton btw). The administration has stopped supporting DOMA and the President has said that he supports state efforts to expand marriage.

    This is not the issue for us to push as gay marriage has been used successfully by Republicans for years to increase Republican voter turnout (see 2000, 2002, 2004 so called “values voters” who were turning out because of anti-gay marriage referenda all over the country). The President has to win and I just wish we on the left were savvy enough to stop making this a wedge issue.

    I am confident that we will have marriage equality all across this country so can we please just focus on doing what we need to do to win now!!!

  54. 245 4morefor44
    May 8, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    a little palate cleanser from this man ‘gobrooklyn’ introduced me to yesterday here at t.o.d. the rev. dr. william j. barber, and watch to the end…you’ll be happy you did:

    • May 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm

      What an awesome man! I am so happy to live in a place where my son can take his marriage vows this November without fear. I believe that the tide will turn for the US too but it is a process not an event. People will make it happen and the president will support the will of the people.

  55. May 8, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    I haven’t read the post but I will add my 2 cents anyway. No matter what Pres.Obama feels about gay marriage, he has gone above and beyond in protecting and providing additional rights for the community. I believe 1000% that he will do the right thing when it comes to gay marriage. When that will be, I don’t know but I trust him on this issue. And I trust that when and if he comes out in support of gay marriage, he will present it from the same perspective as the pastor in the video I posted last night.

    • 248 Frenchie08
      May 8, 2012 at 1:00 pm

      Is this TOD? I feel like I dropped into the wrong blog today.

      • 249 aristac
        May 8, 2012 at 1:10 pm

        so do I. If I want to read this sort of drivel, I’ll go to Dkos or some other PL blog. Really dissapointed this was posted here. If th is is the future of this blog, count me out. Really thought we had risen to another level here. Truly Truly dissapointed.

  56. 250 carolyn
    May 8, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    I know I’m very late, and I haven’t read all the comments, but, I am not going to sign any more petitions, or write any letters “TELLING” President Obama what to do on any subject. He has enough on his plate. Many of these subjects belong to state legislatures, and that is where the Republicans have been working for 30 years. We should do the same. Not everything should be on his shoulders. Once again this is where the emoprog left drops the ball.

  57. 251 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
    May 8, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Thank you BWD. Such a fine, heartfelt, and exceptionally balanced plea to the President.

    Hope this helps a bit ….

    #PRESSON

  58. May 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    So in actuality everybody is saying that Pres Obama doesn’t have the right to his personal viewpoint but has to go against his beliefs because it’s politically correct? That’s just plain wrong.

  59. 254 auni
    May 8, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Kari–you said it exactly right–just what I have been thinking

  60. 255 nospin
    May 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    I want it on record that the above post is straight BS.

    • 256 aristac
      May 8, 2012 at 2:25 pm

      yup, totally and utter BS, as UT said THERE. IS. AN. ELECTION.TO WIN. We need to keep repeating that every dam day

  61. 257 MJ
    May 8, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Completely agree with you on this Hopefruit.

  62. 259 MJ
    May 8, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    With complete respect to folks who are directly affected by this important & deeply emotional issue, I don’t think we should allow the media to move the goalposts for us on this issue again. If we all agree that results matter, then we should laud the POTUS on his strong record of progress on issue that are important to the LGBTQ community. And if that is the standard, then it is pretty clear that PBO is all in on gay civil rights issues & is abundantly clear that his heart is in the right place.

    Although I’m sure that PBO would love to make a strong, rousing speech advocating for gay rights/ SSM, I think he’s decided to keep his silence b/c he doesn’t want this to become a referendum on him that results in a permanent loss for the LGBTQ community. (See Bill Clinton & DADT.) While it may be painful for many of us to see him remain silent right now, I do think he’s earned the benefit of the doubt from folks on our side re: this issue.

    We also should recognize that he’s engaged in a bit of a community organizing right now. He’s trying to teach us the very same lessons the Rev/ N.C. NAACP chapter head was trying to impart to community members at the rally against the N.C. initiative that Lawrence played on his show last night, namely (1) we need to ask the right questions; and (2) avoid getting sidetracked by emotional Trojan Horses. We must be able to see that It does not matter whether anyone (including the President) personally “approves” of SSM. (This is far too subjective a a standard and will not result in any real change. (Heck, that are folks all over this country who still disapprove of interracial marriage, but lucky for us, their opinions are completely irrelevant.) The real question we should be focused on is whether we want to allow ourselves to be manipulated into passing laws that would open the door to reducing Constitutional protections that we all currently enjoy. (If we can get folks to see this from a self interest perspective then we’ve got em. If we don’t we lose. It is that simple.)

    My feeling is that PBO has wagered that taking himself out of the equation clarifies the issue & makes it easier for people who care to knock on doors & change minds block, by block & community by community. While his silence may be temporarily painful for his allies, I think he’s wagering that the long term result will be the USA taking another firm step towards “a more perfect union”.

  63. 260 geeja
    May 8, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Not liking this thread. A failure to support the best and most powerful ally that the LGBT has had in years will surely work against your best interest. You think it is bad now? Let Romney win. It cannot happen overnight and he cannot do it alone. We have to present a united front and proceed with caution. Everything will be ok in the long run!


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