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‘A day for prayer and reflection’

Text of remarks here

President Obama pauses for a moment of silence for the victims of the Colorado shootings, following his remarks in Fort Myers, Fla., July 20 (Photo by Pete Souza)


278 Responses to “‘A day for prayer and reflection’”


  1. 1 Proud Former White House Intern
    July 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Yes indeed I love this country.

  2. 6 Roberta in MN
    July 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    1st ???:)

  3. 7 Roberta in MN
    July 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Maybe doubles?

  4. 8 utaustinliberal
    July 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    • 9 Sharon
      July 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm

      This is the difference between President Obama and candidate Romney: President Obama is in a position to do something meaningful (flags at half-staff) and official (assemble FBI director Mueller with him and his staff which he is doing as soon as he is back at the WH). Romney can only speechify and is powerless to both do something that will help and also to attack President Obama. Romney would be severely criticized if he rushes out to Colorado (to do what?), but President Obama will be welcomed at any time.

      I really appreciate that whenever there is disaster in this country that President Obama is immediately onto it and handles it so smoothly that it causes no ripples. Must drive the Republicans nuts and is why they shout so loudly about what he should do when he is already doing it.

      • 10 Tally
        July 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm

        omg – I bet Romney does exactly that – he’s probably on his way there right now. fuck. me.

      • 11 miss pat
        July 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm

        Speechify..I love that . Can I borrow it? My late father used to say someone is too ‘fussify.’

    • 12 lisalovesobama
      July 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm

      UT, I just responded on the last thread. Hope you enjoy!

      • 13 utaustinliberal
        July 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm

        I just saw your reply. I’ll go right ahead and do what you suggested. Thanks so much! :D

        • 14 lisalovesobama
          July 20, 2012 at 2:55 pm

          Have fun! Iz very very gouda ;)

          • 15 utaustinliberal
            July 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm

            Hey Lisa, are you having any problems with the website you gave me? Is it starting and stopping? Because it loads well for me, and I’m watching it fine, but then all of a sudden, the video stops and when I play it again, the episode starts from the beginning, and then I have to fast forward and it takes forever to load, and then it stops and starts over again. Are you experiencing these problems? I’m using a MacBook Pro by the way. Thanks.

      • 16 lisalovesobama
        July 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm

        Hey it. No I’m not having any trouble. Once in a while it will slow down because of buffering issues then I just pause it for a few minutes and then I go back and it continues to play. I don’t know why it’s doing that to you. I’m on a plane and a blackberry playbook. Thats so weird. :/

        • 17 lisalovesobama
          July 20, 2012 at 5:32 pm

          That’s supposed to be UT and I’m using a PC and a blackberry playbook. Stupid autocorrect!

          • 18 57andFemale
            July 20, 2012 at 7:52 pm

            I had to go through layers of settings, but found a way to turn off awful autocorrect on my Samsung tablet. My stress level plummeted.

    • July 20, 2012 at 3:57 pm

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  5. 20 Bill
    July 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Does anyone have an idea why the MSM or the PBO campaign is not pushing for Willard to release the Swiss bank account filing for his 2010 returns?

    • 21 ChristiMTL
      July 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm

      It came out out only 2 days ago I think….drip drip drip, there’s new information everyday…..but obviously with today’s tragedy, all political talk if off…..I’m sure they have tons of material already.

    • July 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm

      Because they are sitting on stuff, and want that to come out later, when People are paying attention!

    • 25 Sharon
      July 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm

      Maybe for now, but likely will be resurrected later and with an independent reference.

    • 26 carolyn
      July 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm

      It will just be in abeyance until Monday. Mitt ay hope all this will go away, but it won’t. Monday hard political life will begin again. David Corn said he had a blockbuster of an announcement today concerning Myth, but he won’t drop it today. He’ll wait until next week. Today it would get drowned. The Boston Globe and Boston Phoenix aren’t quitting digging, neither are Bob Shrum et al. This just give Myth a weekend to breathe and not be attacked. The President, meanwhile, does real work. Dealing calmly and efficiently with the situation.

      • July 20, 2012 at 3:59 pm

        It is fitting and humane to leave off for a few days.

        • July 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm

          You know, my daughter and a group of her friends went to the world premiere in Sydney last night…. Guaranteed they did not, do not, have to sit in fear that something like this could happen while they are out enjoying life, as so many young people do. Australia is so much more sane…tragedies like this one are so very rare.

  6. 29 donna dem 4 obama
    July 20, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    I was just reading an update on the victims. 71 people were shot. SEVENTY-ONE!!!. LHM.

    That community will be is so many of our thoughts and prayers over these next few days as they prepare to bury their loved ones. I cannot even imagine the pain they feel.

    I’m so proud to have our President in this hour of need for our Country. I thank God everyday for him.

    • July 20, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      I just saw that too. My hubby, sister-in-law and I plan to see the Dark Knight tomorrow night. To be honest, I’m going to be nervous and watching people as much as I’m watching the movie.

      Such a tragedy for all the families who lost loved ones!

  7. 31 Claire
    July 20, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Time to show your papers, pro-Obama super PAC Priorities USA Action and labor group Service Employees International Union (SEIU) will tell Mitt Romney in Spanish-language ads released on Friday to target his refusal to release more tax returns.

    “He wants us to show him our papers, but he doesn’t show us his,” a narrator says in the ad, translated to English. “How can we trust Mitt Romney?”

  8. 32 Tally
    July 20, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    ok – I am posting this here because I got on the tail end of the last thread and I really think I’m —– I don’t know. I need a drink. This is all so damn upsetting.

    Hey guys – totally slammed at work, so I haven’t read the thread…. but since I woke up this morning, the COLLECTIVE NEWS MEDIA have aired more of ROMNEY’S statement, THAN THAT OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. FORFUCKSAKE! He’s only a CANDIDATE, he’s NOT THE POTUS!!!

    Yesterday, as I was driving home, I was listening to our local progressive station, which has Ian Masters on from 5 – 6, and he was talking to some female editor from Alternet, and they were both saying that “there is just no outrage on the Left regarding Mittiot not releasing his tax returns, etc… and how Dems just roll over and there is no outrage – and they were ***purposefully*** equating everyone on the Left – all citizens – with THE MEDIA. As if THE MEDIA represents THE US POPULATION. And how we’ve “all given up….”

    I wanted to pull my damn hair out!

    I don’t mean to sound insane, but I feel as if I’m witnessing a well thought out, media-orchestrated psyop. Then with the coverage this morning of Aurora, and how much more coverage Romney is being given that THE PRESIDENT, as if Romney already has the job, and should just take over already – WHEN IS THE WHITE RABBIT GOING TO RUN BY????

    WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON??????

    • 33 vcprezofan2
      July 20, 2012 at 3:01 pm

      What does one say, really, in a situation like this? I’ve had the local live channel on since I signed on, which makes it difficult to follow what’s being said here at TOD, but the thought of 59 injured, 12 dead ‘for no reason’ is mind boggling! The suspect certainly protected himself thoroughly from head to toe, so he obviously didn’t want to die. What does one really say? Sigh!

    • July 20, 2012 at 3:04 pm

      No worries and no surprise. Many people have given up on cable news, so those that matter will see and read on social media.

      • 35 Sharon
        July 20, 2012 at 3:19 pm

        I quit cable news several years ago. Life’s a lot more pleasant now. And I actually am better informed.

      • 36 Tally
        July 20, 2012 at 3:22 pm

        Maybe I wasn’t clear – they said people have given up on ALL POLITICS. They’ve given up on trying to SAVE the country. That we are so desensitized we all have Stockholm Syndrome, and so many people think THE FIX is in, that Romney WILL BE POTUS, no matter what they do….. WHY VOTE.

        • 37 desertflower
          July 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm

          I throw the bullshit flag on that, Tally. That was their opinion. You know what they say about opinions? They’re like assholes…we all have one.

          • 38 Tally
            July 20, 2012 at 5:31 pm

            no – they were clear. it was weird and very upsetting. They acted like PBO hasn’t said a word in months about anything, that thousands of people don’t attend his events, and cheer their hearts out for him…. it was one of the weirdest damn things I’ve heard in a while.

            • 39 Roberta in MN
              July 20, 2012 at 5:53 pm

              Tally, that is Alternet all the time. I never read that site anymore. They are just too far left for me. POTUS is out there all the time, they refuse to acknowledge it and give him credit for. The MSM is the same. He will nit lose in November, if it is even close Ithink there willbe such an uproar on the voting machines that there will be push back, not silence like 2000. Hve peace. Love Roberta

            • 41 Puddin'
              July 20, 2012 at 8:06 pm

              What have they done lately (besides talk)? I stopped reading Alternet along time ago…too fringed for me. Hold on Tally, everything is ging to be alright…it will be Obama/Biden 2012!

        • 42 0388jojothecat
          July 20, 2012 at 5:09 pm

          Tally, I don’t know Ian Masters (XM Radio?) and if he’s on a progressive radio show, he’s on so few stations. I listen to Stephanie Miller and Randi Rhodes who are on the “free” am radio and iheart internet radio.

          I do not believe that people DON’T care it’s just that it’s too soon to focus on an election for most people. PBO is on EVERYONE’s radar that’s why he fills stadiums, events, etc., when he comes to town. As an OFA volunteer I talk to so many people who voted for PBO and will vote for him again. I will campaign my ass of and when the DEM Convention rolls around PBO will be front and center. People who see Rombot will see we can not elect this guy.

          As far as the cable and local media playing Rombot’s statements and NOT PBO…We need to call, write, email these media heads and let them know that you will complain to advertisers and stop watching if they continue to carry water for the GOP and ROMBOT!

          • 43 Tally
            July 20, 2012 at 5:34 pm

            Where we are, he’s on KPFK Pacifica Radio 90.7 FM from 5-6 M-F. I only listen to them when there’s something sucky on KTLK. Pacifica can be a little on the Firebagger side…..

    • 44 carolyn
      July 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm

      I emailed Brian Williams and told him I expected him to feature President Obama’s statement, because he is President of ALL of us. Mitt is merely head of a political party and holds no elected office. Maybe they should all watch Newsroom to find out what they should be doing.

    • 56 japa21
      July 20, 2012 at 3:13 pm

      Tally, just relax, have a glass of wine. Yes, I agree they should probably focus on the Pfresident’s message more than Romney’s, although they should show both. But having a stroke is not going to change the situation, and we value you too much here to lose you because you stroked out on us.

      The fact is, the media has to keep presenting Romney as a viable candidate at least through the convention. And this is one of the ways they do it.

      • 57 Tally
        July 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm

        Not with THIS they don’t. For me, that really crosses a line.

      • 58 Tally
        July 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm

        As for the drink – sadly, my work doesn’t provide a sexy CabanaMan to bring me cocktails…… :cry:

        • 59 HZ
          July 20, 2012 at 5:13 pm

          Tally, my beautiful spirit, you hit so much of what is in my heart and what I am thinking about all of this. I took a nap after hearing our POTUS. I got comfort from his voice, his comforting words and his respectulness in having a silent moment in Fort Myers, Fl. A sense of peace came over me.

          Then after hearing so much of the ‘talking heads’ give all of their crap just made the heart beat even faster. I will not even mention the gut pain. Really. So I go up and went outside and cut some lovely flowers and brought them in and placed them in a vase and placed them on the breakfast counter in memory of our brothers and sisters who are in so much pain at this very moment.

          I was very upset to hear Mayor Bloomberg say what he said. I realize that he always tries to be the second bully on the scene. But I do know that when people are in pain and hurting after their most precious loved one is hurt, going through surgery, dead, there is no place for his remarks. We do need kind, comforting words, a hug, someone to cry with. I do not want to talk or hear talk about the gun laws now. We All know that that conversation needs to be done, but hours after mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, sisters, brothers, friends are waiting to hear whether their kids or family members are dead or alive? No, Mr. Mayor. You are the one who is cold and callous on this one.

          I want to do something that will help me clear out my mind’s space for energy to flow to my fellow Americans who are hurting from this awful moment. So you damn politicians can toot your asses later on. How dare you try to simpify this awful act. It can’t be, Mr. Mayor. So we will find something to comfort each other since we can’t be in CO to hug, cry with and just listen to the hurting ones.

          Put some music on, light a candle, yes, drink a glass of wine and say a beautiful prayer or a line from a lovely poem. We have energies that are so powerful and positive that can travel across this earth to reach our dear family in CO. Let us do that. We are the TOD family, and for sure, we know POB is working on solutions that will comfort, help those who are hurting all over the country during this time. And we will cast our energies toward the WhiteHouse to give him encouragement.

          I felt better after bringing the flowers in and putting them in a lovely vase. Just do one thing to help get each of us through this. ((((((((((((((((( Loving you Tally and All of my TOD family and our wonderful President Barack Obama and VP Joe Biden. )))))))))))))))))))) HZ

    • July 20, 2012 at 3:22 pm

      Romney will never be able to lead or follow the example by our great President. His appearance today being shamelessly replayed by the media will backfire when it comes time for him to exhibit his severely conservative credentials and stand with the NRA. We are all feeling solemn today, Like the President so aptly stated “there will be another day for politics” Today is not the day. Bottomline, we have a stronger candidate, campaign, leader, message, grassroots effort, you name it. We all shall be encouraged and work hard for we know what’s at stake for this Country despite the media’s brainwashing. Our sons and daughters are counting on us.

    • 67 relellit
      July 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm

      WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON??????

      Pardon my wild crazy paranoia, but I think some of the disgusted Clinton-nites are setting the stage for Hillary in 2016 , I have been noticing Bill Press mentioning Hillary in 2016 a lot here lately. Perhaps, if they can criticize, polarize and confuse people about our President as much as the right they may think it helps Romney to get elected. Then when things are so bad Hillary can save the day in 2016.

      • 68 anniebella
        July 20, 2012 at 5:07 pm

        Let me give those Clinton-nites who are setting for the stage for Hillary to run in 2016, I am an AA and if Hillary were to run, we will remember how they treated President Obama. We will remember if you supported POTUS or you didn’t.

      • 69 0388jojothecat
        July 20, 2012 at 5:13 pm

        I stopped listening to Bill Press. … he’s such a jerk.

      • 70 Puddin'
        July 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm

        This was what they did in 2000….setting the stage for Hillary in 2008…we see how that worked out for them!!! GOD don’t like ugly and very few pretty!

    • 71 sabreen60
      July 20, 2012 at 4:01 pm

      Alternet is a firebagger web site. When they say something good about President Obama let me know. I stopped going there the first I read people calling him a “house n”

      • 72 Dudette
        July 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm

        Really! Thanks for the heads up! I’ve checked out the occasional article on their site (even posted links here on TOD), but never picked up the firebagger vibe. Guess I didn’t read the right contributor’s work. I won’t go back again. If even one contributor is referring to my President that way and it gets published under the AlterNet banner, they’ll get no more clicks from me.
        Totally unacceptable!

    • 74 Cha
      July 20, 2012 at 4:57 pm

      And, my comment on your post was this..

      YOU DON’T SOUND INSANE TALLY. IT’S REAL..

  9. 75 GGail
    July 20, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    I am very grateful that we have Barack Obama as the President of the United States at this time. Since 4:30am this morning, the local news stations here in LA have posted the President’s remarks before the remarks of the other candidate. Then I saw on the 11am news the report of the President speaking at the Florida event and asking for a word of prayer and his comments for us to remember the people of Colorado and to hug our family.

    God bless President Obama.

    My prayers go out to the family’s and victims of the Colorado tragedy.

  10. 76 isonprize
    July 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    What reason is there for any citizen (aside from special police teams) to have an assault rifle? Seriously, why does the average person need an assault rifle – an automatic weapon of death? WHY???

    • 77 susanne
      July 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm

      short answer: paranoia.

      sorry if that sounds glib, but i think that’s the bald truth. the usual reason given is that the government can’t be trusted, and we citizens have to be prepared to defend our liberty from [insert current fear-monger's focus--mexicans?arabs?the united nations?martians?] since government troops will undoubtedly align with the bad guys.

      i know this is insanity, and the follow-up question is: how is it that these whackos have managed to get laws passed in support of their delusions? short answer: follow the money.

      just my opinions and thoughts this sad morning.

    • 78 Lb4Obama
      July 20, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      They don’t. It is the NRA machine. If you new how many people are packing heat as you go out into the world everyday in this country, it would make ill.

    • 79 yardarm756
      July 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm

      The attached link is rather long but may give some an insight to what’s really going on in this country.

  11. 80 Sharon
    July 20, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    I caught something rather puzzling and even disturbing on a replay of Washington Journal while waiting for Romney to speak. The guest was Brad Smith, a former federal election official (and a Republican). A caller accused Hispanic and African-Americans of voting for President Obama because he is black and because they would be ostracized from their community if they did not (secret ballot?). Is this another tactic from the right? They put out so much of this stupid stuff. It is really demeaning for both sides including themselves when it is brought into the open.

    Smith latched onto this to explain why he does not believe outside pacs need to reveal their donors because the donors will be subject to being ostracized. It seems to me that if you are not willing to own up publicly to what you support, perhaps you shouldn’t support it.

    Cowards.

    • 81 Geeja
      July 20, 2012 at 5:53 pm

      I get so fucking tired of hearing that blacks voted for President Obama because he was black. Blacks did not support Rev Al or Rev Jackson and look at how many times all we had to vote for were WHITE people. What drove our choice then? Damnit I vote for whom I feel meets my criteria and in some cases have crossed the party line. This bullshit needs to stop. Thank you for letting me vent. This is how I reaklly feel!

      • 82 anniebella
        July 20, 2012 at 6:03 pm

        Why are the Republicans voting for that darn lying clown they are voting for? Because he is WHITE.

      • 83 nathkatun7
        July 20, 2012 at 7:03 pm

        Actually, African Americans overwhelmingly supported Rev. Jesse Jackson. He just didn’t get enough delegates to be the nominee of the Democratic party, though he came in second both in 1984 and 1988. I supported both Rev Al Sharpton and Rev. Jackson because I agreed with with them on the issues. Allan Keys, Herman Cain, Allan West and Justice Thomas are all Blacks who do not receive great support from the Black community. There is absolutely no way I can ever support them. This racist notion that Black people support President Obama simply because he is Black has been debunked over and over again because the vast majority of Black people never support right wing Blacks who do not represent the broad interests of the community. On the other hand, the only Blacks right wingers love and support are those who are out attacking other Blacks. If, for example, a black right winger like Allen West came out and attacked racism within the tea bag movement, he would be finished. He is only loved by the tea baggers because he attacks President Obama and is totally silent about issues, like voter suppression, that affect the African American community.

  12. 84 ChristiMTL
    July 20, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Robert Reich ‏@RBReich

    Will O or R have the guts to stand up to the NRA now and pledge to seek ban assault weapons? If not, what else will it take?

    I don’t like when someone imply that President Obama has no guts.

    It’s not a question of guts, it’s a question of logic….

    The President cannot take on this issue just a few months before the election, he needs the swing states.

    Ed Rendell said that it was an issue that it was worth losing over…

    I completly disagree.

    If Romney wins and they have control of both chambers….the health care law will be struck down or defund or whatever they can do.

    How many young people who can stay on their parent’s issurance and who have mental issues have access to healthcare now?….they can be treated for depression or whatever mental problems they have.

    And the millions adults who will have access to health care who can be treated for mental problems.

    I think the solution would be to take both fronts, guns laws and regulations in the media…..if you ban certain weapons but people who are more fragile emotionaly, paranoid by nature and hear day in and day out about baby killer, foreigner, fascist, death panels, death camps, take away your liberty, hates American, etc….well you only barely ”solve” one problem.

    The Right was very successful in associating everything really with liberty and freedom…..hate speech in the media? You take away my freedom….well hate speech should be banned in the media like in Canada…..gun laws? they take away your freedom……health care law? They take away your freedom…..funny not one Canadian feel oppressed with single payer….

    I know many people say….it’s never the time!…..there’s always excuses….well this excuse is valid this time because this election is crucial. Having a President with majority in both chambers with foreign advisers like warmongers Dan Senor, Jon Bolton and the Cheneys is a danger to humanity.

    Nobody knows what the President will do after his reelection, but I know he will do everything in his power to make the American’s lives better.

    So no Ed Rendell, I strongly disagree that it is an issue worth losing for…….

    • 85 Dudette
      July 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm

      That’s a pretty idiotic , and frankly, needlessly insulting, question coming from a former cabinet member. He know darn well, this Congress will pass ZERO laws to control any even the most watered down gun control law. – election year or no election year. And Ed Rendell is an idiotic for suggesting this losing issue is worth losing the Presidential election over. Really Ed? Let me tell you something Ed, you wanna be Don Quixote — go somewhere and do it by yourself. We’ve got problems on top of quicksand facing this country. Gun control is not gonna be solved by spitting in the wind. I’ll stick with the guy who actually makes a plan, works the plan and gets things done.

      Ed Rendell pisses me off so much, I’d punch this traitorous face right now, if he were standing in front of me. Now THAT would be worth going to jail for!

      • 86 Debz
        July 20, 2012 at 4:10 pm

        I have to say, all of these jackasses talking about how POTUS must discuss gun control, this very minute need to just STFU!!!!!!
        We have a large group of insane people living in this country who happily believe that the President will take away all of their guns, especially after hearing that fool from the NRA’s latest conspiracy theory. Our President has had more threats against him and his family than any other in recent memory. The idiots in congress both R & D have been voting based on threats by the NRA. 4 months before the election is the worst time for the President to be talking about gun control. It wouldn’t be a good time for Mittens to talk about it either. Nothing was done about gun control after the shooting in AZ, and nothing would be done now. Our President losing the election will do nothing for the gun control people. And if Rendell and Mr NAFTA don’t like it, they should try putting their own lives on the line and run for President.

      • 87 jackiegrumbacher
        July 20, 2012 at 5:03 pm

        Dudette, Ed Rendell isn’t worth your blood pressure. He had a chance to do something about gun control in PA and he was too cowardly to try. He’s a big bag of hot air — so desperate for attention he’ll say anything to make himself relevant. As soon as a “politician” tells someone else to take a risky move even if it means losing, you know you are hearing from a disingenuous ass. You hit the nail on the head about Congress. Nothing will get done on health care as long as our Congress is in thrall to the gun lobby. People have to care enough about this issue to vote everyone of the “NRA approved Congresscritters” out the door. That isn’t going to happen as long as mass numbers of voters keep their heads in the sand and consider it a God given right to own personal arsenals. Our sensibilities as a country have been so coarsened that we just shrug off violence against each other and can’t sustain a sense of outrage for more than a day. Maybe in some distant time in another millennium, a group of brave people will rise up and say “we’ve had enough” but I sincerely doubt we’ll see that happen in any foreseeable decade.

        • 88 Dudette
          July 20, 2012 at 5:48 pm

          It all goes back to campaign finance reform. Until we yank the politician’s snouts out of the lobbyists’ trough, nothing’s going to change.

    • 89 Cha
      July 20, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      i don’t like it, either, Christi. It only makes me think of Robert Reich as a pipsqueak.

    • 90 nathkatun7
      July 20, 2012 at 7:16 pm

      When is Robert Reich going to run for office to show us that he has the guts to do all the things he criticizes the President about? It’s so easy to lobe grenades while sitting from the side-lines instead of joining in the hand to hand combat. Why not declare his candidacy, and run for any political office on an anti-NRA platform, to show us how it’s done. Robert Reich may be a good economists. But he absolutely sucks when it comes to politics.

  13. 91 carolyn
    July 20, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Which is why we have to work hard to elect a Democratic House and Senate so we can get rid of some of the NRA bought Congresscritters. That is the only way we can deal with this horrendous juvenile love of guns in this country. The President cannot do it alone…..have not Rendell, Reich, etc. learned that in 3 1/2 years?
    They should be working hard to elect people not paid by the NRA.
    I hate to say this, but I feel safer in European countries than I do here. I can walk on the street, go to a show, go to a restaurant, go to church for heaven’s sakes and know that no one is carrying a gun. Our guide to Dachau told us this May that Germans are very ANTI gun. World War II did that for them. Many Europeans are scared to travel here because of two things: Our guns and our poor medical care. We need to GROW UP!!!

    • 92 jackiegrumbacher
      July 20, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Well, Carolyn, I don’t blame anyone for being scared to travel to the US. We have become a violent and deeply dangerous country. Europeans, for all the contempt they receive from right-leaning Americans, have figured out a way to live that works for real human being, not just billionaires. Good health care, sensible gun control, solid education. If I was young enough, I would certainly consider emigrating.

  14. 93 relellit
    July 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Ed Rendell and Riech Clinton-nites; no surprise to me they would be critical.

    • 94 Mae who love our CIC
      July 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm

      Congress didn’t do jack shyt when one of their own , Gabby G. and others were gunned down. One is too many versus the episode in CO, why the hell do you really think the President can do something now. They are bunch of idiots always offering nothing constructive, just stirs the pot. Ed and those like him, makes me sick.

    • 95 Puddin'
      July 20, 2012 at 8:46 pm

      If Rendell, Riech, Bloomberg and rest were really sincere about their concern/disgust/outrage about guns and gun violence, they would/should be concerned/disgusted and outraged everyday because in AA communities lives are cut short by guns. And Bloomberg think the answer is RACIAL PROFILING! These people are full of shyte.

  15. 96 japa21
    July 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Not onlhy is it not an issue worth losing for, specially as you point, with the consequences of losing, but this is also not the time to be bringing it up.

    Doing it in the immediate wake of this tragedy would be construed, accurately in some cases, as politicizing a tragedy. PBO took the exact right path. An event like this affects all Americans and we need to coem together and mourn as a family and support each other as a family.

    Additionally, as a side point, with the current Congress we have, there is no way a new assault rifle ban could be put into effect and campaigning on it reduces the chances of winning not only the Presidency, but more seats in Congress.

  16. July 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Let’s put this one under “Reflection”:

  17. July 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Everybody comes out screaming and pulling out their hair during a tragedy like this. The MSM talks about it 24/7 until the victims are buried and the monster is put in jail then it’s back to the next sexy thing to talk about. I know the POTUS would love to do something about gun control but he can’t fight the NRA all by himself. And by the way, Ed Rendell ‘s an idiot.

    • 99 pinkbunny92
      July 20, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      Totally agree to both your points!!!

    • 100 Dudette
      July 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm

      Bingo!

    • 102 sabreen60
      July 20, 2012 at 4:06 pm

      THIS!

    • 103 Ladyhawke
      July 20, 2012 at 4:10 pm

      Romney Wins Some Votes, If Not All Hearts, At NRA Meeting

      by ALAN GREENBLATT – April 13, 2012

      —————————–

      Romney sought to dispel any lingering concerns about his support for some gun-control laws as Massachusetts governor during his address to the NRA on Friday. He described President Obama and his potential Supreme Court picks as threats to gun owners’ rights, which he vowed to protect.

      “This organization is sometimes called a single-issue group,” Romney said, “and that is high praise when the single issue you’re fighting for is freedom.”
      .
      .
      But once the dust has fully settled, the NRA intends to offer its full backing to Romney as the GOP standard-bearer. Its members will come along, too, Keene said.

      “The one thing that gun owners around the country know is that the incumbent is a real threat to their rights,” he said. “Those who had questions about Romney are going to rally around because we have the greatest unifier in Barack Obama.”

      ———————————————

      http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/04/13/150584893/romney-wins-votes-if-not-hearts-at-nra-meeting

    • 104 donna dem 4 obama
      July 20, 2012 at 4:40 pm

      The absolute BEST COMMENT I have seen posted all day!

  18. 105 CEB
    July 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Thank God that we have a president that we can turn to in times like these. He has shown over and over that he cares for all of us; that he truly feels our pain because it is his as well. We do not need pretenders and politics at times like these. Just as our hearts are broken, his is as well. It is worse for PBO because he carries his grief and ours, but we look to him to help us to heal. His deep spiritual nature and his love for people make him uniquely qualified to lead us at times like these.

    • 106 Beaglemom
      July 20, 2012 at 4:11 pm

      I find that President Obama has a genuine gift for dealing with these nationally traumatic situations. He holds us all in a kind of metaphorical group hug. I have felt safer ever since he became president.

  19. 107 desertflower
    July 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    THIS IS A MUST READ AND PASS! h/t to Bob Cesca…

    http://ayoungmomsmusings.blogspot.ca/2012/07/how-i-lost-my-fear-of-universal-health.html

    This is all ABOUT freedom!

    • 108 carolyn
      July 20, 2012 at 4:54 pm

      That is a superb article! I have a number of Canadian friends, and they just do NOT understand our pitiful medical system. They enjoy theirs and have great care. I have also had some experience with France and Italy medical systems while on trips with friends. In each case, the people were treated immediately, correctly, and with little or no cost. Why do Americans hate the idea of everybody having good medical care? It seems to me to be a no-brainer.
      We are 37th on the World Health Organizations ranking of health care systems. France leads the pack. Everyone needs to check that out. We are NOT the best in the world when it comes to cost, access, efficiency or outcomes. Why does an MRI cost $1080 in the U.S., and $281 in France?
      So interesting to read this young woman’s progression in belief. How much healthier she and all her family are now.

    • 109 nathkatun7
      July 20, 2012 at 8:02 pm

      That was a wonderful read! Thanks df for sharing this. Yesterday I took my 14 year old grand niece, who is visiting me from D.C., to see a movie. My niece, her mom, is a single mom. When she gave birth to her, 14 years ago, she had no health insurance. She had a tough pregnancy with some complications.In the end me and and my sister ended up paying over $30,000 for her medical bills. In contrast, my nephew, who was in Australia (he is now in NY), paid absolutely zero when his two sons were born. Not only that, he had govt. paid care givers came to his house to check on his wife and children, after his wife left the hospital, to ensure that the mother and children were properly taken care of.

      The ACA was a major step in trying to provide universal care. Still, the United States still lags behind other industrialized countries in providing quality health care for all of the citizens.

  20. 110 susanne
    July 20, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    charles pierce asks the rethugs ‘what do you want, a cookie?’

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Bachmann_Problem

  21. 111 Dudette
    July 20, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Someone was asking about this earlier, here’s an update from Think Progress: According to the Department of Defense, two Air Force reservists and a Navy service member were injured (in the Colorado shooting).

    http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/07/20/556081/members-of-the-military-among-those-killed-at-colorado-shooting/

  22. 117 sabreen60
    July 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Ms. Chips we need some oversight? Geez, y’all. Is it really necessary to post every crazy thing Rethugs are saying. Who gives a shit what Mitt Romney said. There seems to be a lot of concern trolling, IMO.

    • 118 itgurl_29
      July 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm

      I totally agree. It’s fine to be informed about what the crazies are up to, but this constant reporting on whatever horrible thing this person or that person said about POTUS or Dems is tiring.

    • 119 Dudette
      July 20, 2012 at 4:39 pm

      You have a point sabreen. They’ve got my blood boiling today. Everyday they’re trying to outdo each others outrageous crap. I’ll try to cool it.

      “Take a deep cleansing breathe. Follow my President’s example and brush off the dirt.”

  23. 120 Dudette
    July 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    That’s it! I don’t care who’s running against this woman; if they have a pulse and a (D) after their name, I’m sending them some money on my next payday!
    ——————————————————————–
    Bachmann: Rep. Ellison has ‘long record’ with Muslim Brotherhood

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/20/bachmann-rep-ellison-has-long-record-with-muslim-brotherhood/

    • 121 cognachas4paws
      July 20, 2012 at 4:40 pm

      I thought she was crazy before, but this takes the cake. I think she has gone over the proverbial cliff one time too many. She is smearing the names of decent, good people. Why won’t Boehner censure her?

      • 122 Dudette
        July 20, 2012 at 4:47 pm

        He’s not gonna do anything. Let’s just work toward helping her find a job that’s more suitable for her in November.

        • July 20, 2012 at 4:57 pm

          She’s either off her meds, or they need to re-evaluate her dosage.

        • 124 cognachas4paws
          July 20, 2012 at 6:27 pm

          He’s totally ineffectual as a speaker, that’s for sure. I am hopeful we’ll get the House in November so we can have a leader in that position again. Nancy Pelosi drives the right crazy because she is a leader and a fighter and gets the Democratic agenda through. I’m sure in a strange way the fright wing thinks Boehner is great since he’s doing absolutely nothing. Of course, these are some of the same people who are out of work and complain that the President isn’t creating jobs when it is Boehner’s party that’s blocking him. Voting against their own self interests time and time again and wondering why they’re getting nowhere.

      • July 20, 2012 at 4:59 pm

        I’m not trying to be glib here – I think it’s time to check in and see how many guns she owns. She’s freaking nuts.

        • 126 cognachas4paws
          July 20, 2012 at 6:30 pm

          She is nuts and what is really scary is not only does she probably have her own arsenal, but the people who listen to her and take what she says as gospel are even crazier than she is – and are probably better armed. It’s scary the way people talk about their guns and such, especially in light of what happened today.

      • July 20, 2012 at 5:01 pm

        I think her little stint as a presidential candidate has made her somehow off-limits for the Republican “leadership.”

  24. 128 Squarepeg
    July 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    See, I knew this was going to happen. Firebaggers are now going to start demanding that Obama do something about gun control, etc.

    • July 20, 2012 at 5:02 pm

      Um, because he writes the laws and enacts the legislation? And it’s such a snap to get anything through Congress these days? Dumb and DUMBER.

    • 131 0388jojothecat
      July 20, 2012 at 5:21 pm

      We can’t get this DO NOTHING Congress to write or pass a JOBS BILL….WTF will they do if PBO tells them to do something about GUN CONTROL? DO THEY REALLY THINK THESE SOB’s WILL DO ANYTHING? These bought and paid for NRA congressmen? Give me an F’ing break.

    • 132 nathkatun7
      July 20, 2012 at 9:45 pm

      Do something like what? Imprison the right wing justices who ruled that government can’t interfere with gun owners rights under the Second Amendment? Firebaggers need to go back to school and learn civics because they ignorant of how the American system of government works.

    • 134 nathkatun7
      July 20, 2012 at 10:02 pm

      Where are the rest of the media? Why aren’t they chronicling Willard “Mitt” Romney’s lies? Yet the so called MSM fact checkers were so quick to jump on the President when he pointed out, accurately as it turns out, Romney’s Bain outsourcing/off-shoring record. I am just so sick of U.S. media. Here they are shoring up a candidate who lies all the time.

  25. 135 utaustinliberal
    July 20, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    • 136 utaustinliberal
      July 20, 2012 at 4:45 pm

      Mitt Romney’s campaign raised $33 million in June, according to its Federal Election Commission filing on Friday, accounting for about a third of the $106 million Republicans had boasted raising last month.
      The presumptive Republican presidential nominee’s haul was his largest monthly total to date, but fell well short of the $46 million raised by President Obama’s campaign during the same period.
      Two weeks ago, the Romney campaign boasted its Victory Committee — a combination of the campaign, the Republican National Committee and state committees — had raised $106 million in June. Today’s finance report reflects the likelihood that this total was boosted by a large number of high-dollar contributions to Romney and his allies versus a larger number of small-dollar donations that are seen as indicative of grassroots support.

      Also reflecting the advantages of raising money as an incumbent president, the Obama campaign reported having $97.5 million in the bank as of June 30. The Romney campaign ended June with $22.5 million in cash on hand.

      The Obama campaign also released on Friday the list of its bundlers through the end of the second quarter. The Romney campaign does not release the names of its bundlers.

      http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12861041-obama-campaign-raises-46m-in-june-romney-takes-in-33m?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      • July 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm

        Never believe anything coming out of the Romney campaign. They lie. It’s what they do.

      • 138 donna dem 4 obama
        July 20, 2012 at 4:57 pm

        Thanks UT. The thing that gets me is that the campaigns and the media know this when the cable show pundits go all crazy when these numbers first get released but then when the hard numbers come out a couple of weeks later the coverage just get a wimper of attention.

        This is why I hate the media so much and just can’t waste my time with them. It’s just another example of the propaganda that folks are subjected to everyday when they tune in to their junk.

        Thank goodness for #TheNewsroom shedding light on their lies.

      • July 20, 2012 at 10:11 pm

        I knew it was a lie. I knew it.

      • 140 nathkatun7
        July 20, 2012 at 10:17 pm

        UT, s always, excellent reporting! Once again, from this reporting, we see Mitt Romney shrouded with secrecy. Why are there no demands that Mitt Romney’s campaign release the names of its bundlers? Aren’t the American people entitled to know who may be trying to buy the presidency?

  26. 141 57andFemale
    July 20, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Anyone know Ms. Chips’ email?

  27. 145 Eveingeorgia
    July 20, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    I have every confidence that the president can deal with the fire-baggers. We all want them to shut up and go away, but I sense that PBO understands that it is useless to argue with fools.

    • 146 vcprezofan2
      July 20, 2012 at 5:12 pm

      This reminds me of a response I sent to a joker on Twitter early this morning – s/he was implying that the President had not done any work during his tenure to date

      I notice that s/he has since been suspended.

      • 147 nathkatun7
        July 20, 2012 at 10:21 pm

        VC, That is such a wise advice.

        • 148 vcprezofan2
          July 20, 2012 at 10:29 pm

          :lol: Hi Nath, how are you doing? It was actually my attempt to NOT be snarky, because I was initially royally ticked that this RWNJ would cut in on my timeline with very obvious intent to irritate. So, I took a deep breath and decided to acknowledge him/her with the list of results from PBO’s work, and while doing so I felt ‘moved’ to share an additional piece of truth. ;) ;) ;)

  28. 149 desertflower
    July 20, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Here we are, TOD’ers!! A new quiz to see which person for President is most like us! Who would you choose? ! Oh what fun:)

    http://www.isidewith.com/

    • 150 Dudette
      July 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm

      I side with President Barack Obama!!

    • 151 cognachas4paws
      July 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm

      That was fun; I like that you could choose answers that were a little fuller than “yes” or “no” – not everything is black and white. That said, I side with the President. :)

    • 152 Betsy
      July 20, 2012 at 9:35 pm

      I side with PBO on 93% of the issues, 100% on social, environmental & immigration issues.

  29. 153 desertflower
    July 20, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/20/cnn-cantors-office-wrote-loophole-into-insider-trading-bill/

    I hope the man running against him in VA uses this to nail Cantor to the wall for this!

    • 154 desertflower
      July 20, 2012 at 5:10 pm

      This gentleman from VA…http://www.powellforva.com/

      • 155 desertflower
        July 20, 2012 at 5:14 pm

        I sent this story about Cantor to his website. The people of this VA district need to know what a slimy worm Cantor is

        • 156 Linda
          July 20, 2012 at 5:18 pm

          CNN claimed they found the loophole and it was a ” CNN Exclusive ”

          I clearly remember saying…..” what about the family members ” when this legislation was getting passed…months ago.

          • 157 desertflower
            July 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm

            TeaNN can bite it. The story remains though, and I sent it to Mr. Powell’s website and they received the message. The guy is a crook, a liar and a cheat. I hope that Mr. Powell becomes Representative Powell in Nov.

  30. 158 desertflower
    July 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/07/20/john-boehner-was-probably-right-about-mitt-romney/

    When it comes to the past four presidential elections, which candidate was described as having better judgment in a crisis?
    Being willing to take an unpopular stand?
    What about getting things done?
    Being honest and truthful?
    Or simply being able to better connect with ordinary Americans?
    Well, the Pew Research Center has been measuring these fives personal traits in the major general-election candidates since 2000.
    So where do things stand in this 2012 race? According to Pew, President Obama is rated higher than Mitt Romney in every category—and it’s not even close on most of them.
    With the exception of getting things done (where the president leads 41%-39%), Obama is ahead of Romney by double digits. On connecting with ordinary Americans, it’s 59%-28%; on taking an unpopular stand, 54%-35%; on being honest and truthful, 46%-32%; and on good judgment in a crisis, 50%-37%.

    Breathe.

    • 159 Linda
      July 20, 2012 at 5:28 pm

      With the exception of getting things done (where the president leads 41%-39%),

      The do nothing Congress’s fault….

      • 160 nathkatun7
        July 20, 2012 at 10:46 pm

        Actually I blame the media for failing to inform the American people about President Obama’s accomplishments. I am a student of history I defy any one to show me a record of presidential achievements, in the first term, (since WWII), that exceed that of President Obama. LBJ is always cited, but, in all honesty, LBJ’s first full term was basically JFK’s second term. Many of the Civil Rights legislation enacted under LBJ were initiated, though not enacted, during JFK’s first term. In other words, LBJ accomplishments (which should be seen as JFK-LBJ successes) took 8 years and not four years. What is laughable is to listen to right wingers who say that President Obama has done nothing, but then proceed to argue that Obama’s policies have changed our way of life and are destroying the United States. Surely both claims can’t be true.

  31. 161 anniebella
    July 20, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    I’m glad POTUS will be with his family tonight.

    • 162 desertflower
      July 20, 2012 at 5:23 pm

      Me, too.

    • 163 0388jojothecat
      July 20, 2012 at 5:23 pm

      Me too.

    • July 20, 2012 at 5:29 pm

      I just had a chance to see the video of his remarks today and it was very, very moving. He is feeling the pain and the sadness. You hear the solemnity in his voice and you see the grief in his face as he struggled to talk about the tragedy at an event that was designed for something else entirely. His dignity and poise lift each and every one one of us up on this terrible day.

      • 165 nathkatun7
        July 20, 2012 at 11:16 pm

        Well said Meta! The President’s remarks, and his demeanor, clearly revealed a caring and compassionate human being who felt deeply about the suffering of family members who are trying to cope with the loss and disruption caused by this senseless violence. I especially liked the fact that he talked about the American family. In times of crisis and tragedy, family members huddle together and grieve together. I don’t know the people of Aurora, CO. But their tragedy, especially the loss of young people, touched me deeply. It will be 20 years this October since I lost my 16 year old daughter to cancer. There is nothing more devastating to a parent than the loss of a child. I just can’t begin to imagine horror that the parents, relatives, friends are going through.

        Today should indeed be a day of prayers for the families in Colorado whose lives have been turned upside down by this tragedy. it should also be a day, as the president said “for reflection.” As he said, It’s time to put aside pettiness. I am thankful that we have a president who has the ability to empathize with the American family at this very difficult time.

    • July 20, 2012 at 5:30 pm

      So am I. He will hug his girls a little tighter tonight, grateful that they are all together. He is just awesome, we are so blessed to have him as President. I could see in his face how much his heart ached for those poor people who have tragically lost loved ones and the concern for those injured. What a man!!

      My heart goes out to all those affected by this senseless tragedy and they are all in my prayers. Sad day.

  32. 168 vcprezofan2
    July 20, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    A Pete Souza ‘comment’

  33. 169 desertflower
    July 20, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Ok…was watching Hardball…just now, an ad came on from the GOP…about the economic situation in the country…showed PBO and all this unemployment news clips…and the tone was “he tried and he just wasn’t cut out for the job…like PBO was not up to the job,,,he tried, but he just wasn’t good enough. It was pathetic!!! Condescending and pathetic!

    Did anyone else see that?

    • July 20, 2012 at 5:42 pm

      Yes, played here in east TN. I reached the remote quickly and muted.

    • 171 Ladyhawke
      July 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm

      Yes. I have been seeing the ad. It’s supposed to be giving voters who like President Obama “permission’ to vote for Mitt Romney.

    • 172 Vicki
      July 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm

      That ad has been playing non-stop for 2 days now. I am hoping that it gets very little MSM attention and then fades away.

    • 173 Linda
      July 20, 2012 at 5:45 pm

      That is the one playing here in Atlanta about 20 times a day.

      • 174 desertflower
        July 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm

        I don’t watch much tv…it’s not relaxing and just makes me angry…so I had no idea that this crap was on all the time. Well, I doubt they will sway anyone with that POS ad…gee, it’s a good thing we stopped the negative ads on tv today because of CO shootings, huh?

        • 175 hopefruit2
          July 20, 2012 at 6:08 pm

          df, it’s interesting that you posted this comment, because I was in the process of posting a rant about an Ezra Klein article (see below) which basically implies the same thing about our President as that GOP commercial.

        • 176 Linda
          July 20, 2012 at 6:21 pm

          I don’t usually either…but today I had it on all day because of the shooting.

    • 177 desertflower
      July 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm

      It was on AGAIN! It was the RNC.

    • 178 Cha
      July 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm

      So glad I don’t have a tv to put up with that shite. The RFs in Congress ARE MAKING SURE THE ECONOMY IS TANKING BECAUSE THEY FUCKING HATE PBO AND AMERICA.

      PUT THAT IN AN AD.

  34. 179 prettyfoot58
    July 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    LAWDDDDDDD HAM Mercy…

    • 180 anniebella
      July 20, 2012 at 5:53 pm

      prettyfoot58, where did you find this piece of crap. Wherever you found it at you should have left it there. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • 181 prettyfoot58
        July 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm

        ohhhhhhhhhh kkkkkkkkkk annie……sorry you are offended…..

        • 182 Cha
          July 20, 2012 at 6:06 pm

          I thought it was pretty damn FUNNY! “WE DON’T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR NUANCE!”!!!!!!! LMAOFF!

          So is it official or not? lol I needed a laugh, too..and this did it..thanks, prettyfoot~

          • 183 prettyfoot58
            July 20, 2012 at 6:09 pm

            Thank you Cha…

            something like this was posted in another thread and folks found it amusing…i thought after today’s horrific events that we may need a smile….

            it was not my intention to insult anyone….

            Forward>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

            • 184 Cha
              July 20, 2012 at 6:14 pm

              “BAIN BAIN BAIN BAIN”…FUNNY STUFF! AGAIN MAHALOS, PRETTYFOOT~

              It’s the freaking results of having a sociopathic pathological LIAR running against our President Obama with the corporateMEDIAWHORE$$$$$ HELPING him EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

              • 185 Tally
                July 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm

                It’s Second CIty – who are HILARIOUS.

                • 186 anniebella
                  July 20, 2012 at 7:25 pm

                  My sense of humor must be off alittle today, because it wasn’t funny to me. Maybe I’ll try looking at it again sometime.

                • 187 Cha
                  July 20, 2012 at 9:36 pm

                  It’s funny, also, Tally, because I was thinking after I watched it that you would appreciate it since you wanted peeps to know you weren’t “insane” regarding the corporatemedia’s propaganda flooding the market!. LOL.

    • 189 nospin
      July 20, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      that was pretty funny. hah!

  35. 190 auni
    July 20, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Not able to get here very often lately, but it makes me feel better to know you all are keeping on track. An article in today’s paper said that a report from the Joint Committe on Taxation shows that $28 billion would be saved in 2013 if Bush taxes for the wealthy were cut. Orrin Hatch sez that only amounts to 3 days of federal spending, making it sound trivial. What he doesn’t mention is how much the fed takes in in 3 days. Anyone know what that figure might be? Tried several sites. Hope recent Bauchman comments have done her in–she needs to be out!

    • 191 Tally
      July 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm

      Fuck Orrin Hatch. Even if it is only 3 days, it’s a START, and it’s money we could USE TO CREATE JOBS THE JOB CREATORS AREN’T CREATING HERE!!!

      sorry. *deep breath*

  36. 192 Tally
    July 20, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    ok – here is something to make everyone SMILE. I know I need a little up today.

  37. 193 hopefruit2
    July 20, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    OT: I’m going on a rant here. (Interestingly, this is related to df’s post)

    Ezra Klein is sickening me more and more. Today he pens an article in Washington Post titled “Imagining a better Romney” and which is mostly about his stupid fantasy of Romney being to save the country from all it’s ills if only he would just commit to saving the country. I will not link it here, but you are free to Google the article. Klein opens his article with this paragraph:

    // Last week, a friend put the U.S. presidential race in depressingly clear terms: This election is a choice between a Democratic president who voters don’t think is able to solve our economic problems and a Republican candidate who voters think is committed to the same doctrines and institutions that helped produce them.//

    According to Mr. Klein, who doubles down on his friend’s condescending and yes, racist perception that “voters don’t think Obama is able to solve our economic problems,” Romney has everything suited to be a great US President at this time – his, ability to create jobs, health care reform, etc., but because he’s pandering to the right-wing base of the GOP, he is not showing these any of these talents. But poor, dull Barack Obama has the right intentions but he’s in over his head. Really Mr. Klein?

    The things I want to say to Mr. Klein I cannot say them here and won’t hijack the thread or Chips’ Blog. But going forward, I’m seeing Ezra Klein in a completely different light, someone who deep down does not want Obama to be re-elected. Klein has decided that President Obama is not just smart or talented enough for the job. And he Klein, at age 29, who is supremely smart and talented, has identified Mitt Romney as uniquely qualified to be President if only he didn’t pander to the GOP’s right-wing policies.

    • 194 Cha
      July 20, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      The only conclusion I can draw is that Ezra Klein isn’t nearly as supremely smart and talented as he thinks he is. His words suggest an agenda that renders him actually stupid. All this says way more about him than anyone else.

      • 195 Vicki
        July 20, 2012 at 6:50 pm

        Ezra and Jon Alter work for M. Bloomberg. Lame-duck Mayor, out-of -the-spotlight frustrated jealous would-be President. We can only wonder how many of his $$$ are doing the anti-PBO ads. As soon as I heard about the tragedy today I thought “start the countdown until El Bloombito starts braying about gun control.” Didn’t have to wait for long.

        • 196 hopefruit2
          July 20, 2012 at 7:06 pm

          I wouldn’t be surprised if Bloomberg is one of Romney’s bundlers or is funneling $$$ towards his superPAC ads. And that article by Ezra seems to mirror the exact sentiment of the ad that dessertflower described.

        • 197 Cha
          July 20, 2012 at 9:32 pm

          Bloombito can BRAY all he wants about Gun Control..to the NRA Controlled GOPrick Congress.

    • 198 Linda
      July 20, 2012 at 6:26 pm

      I agree…..just watch his body language when he is on TV…..( his face ) he is a pompous know it all……and his fellow pundits feed his ego, especially Tweety.

    • 199 Bill R.
      July 20, 2012 at 6:37 pm

      Ezra Klein is barely 28 years old. Fairly new on the job at WaPo. Trying to impress his corporate masters and rise to the top. I think he is just a young punk aspiring to be one of the Beltway Boyz. He looks for every opportunity to demonstrate prowess and denigrate the President.

      • 200 hopefruit2
        July 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm

        He seems to be personally threatened by President Obama’s intelligence (and other talents) and seems to go out of his way to convince himself (and others) that Obama is just not that smart or talented. I recall when snippets of a letter about poetry that a young Obama wrote to his ex- gf – Klein tweeted a very sarcastic, critical comment (mind you, literary experts were impressed) about the President’s writing.

    • 203 Cha
      July 20, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      Hopefruit, I was just over at Political Animal and Ed Gilgore has a link to EK’s piece at Ten Mile Square(which is part of their website)..so I think you can comment to his ruminations.

    • 204 Cha
      July 20, 2012 at 6:42 pm

      P.S. Should have left the link..

      http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ten-miles-square/2012/07/the_contender_mitt_romney_coul038694.php

      Here’s the first comment..

      “Kuji on July 20, 2012 8:40 AM:

      I think Ezra is giving Mitt Romney way to much credit. Obviously the candidate he is describing does not exist, so why even entertain the thought?

      I could have been one of the greatest philanthropists of all times, only if I had 300 billion dollars and an altruistic streak of empathy, but I don’t, so I’m not. Mitt Romney COULD have been a great politician, but he can’t see past his own selfish goals of being totally Mitt, superstar,rich guy, commander-in-chief of the SS Ego, so any convictions he may have in an alternate time-line are locked in the cellar never to see the light of day for the sake of moment-to-moment polling.

      I understand what Ezra is trying to say, but why even give any credence to this sub par candidate. Whatever good things he may have been able to do, he’s completely sold out a long time ago to a select few people and will be looking out for their interests for the sake of being President for 8 years.”

      • 205 hopefruit2
        July 20, 2012 at 7:01 pm

        Thanks Cha – I read the three comments. They sound like folks who read Klein’s work regularly, respect his analyses and don’t really want to offend him. However, I do sense their discomfort with the article and its apparent pining for a President Romney.

        • 206 Cha
          July 20, 2012 at 7:07 pm

          “Why even entertain the thought?” Indeed! Unless….?????

          I might go add my own comment later after I’ve had my Run and get the cobwebs OUT.

    • July 20, 2012 at 6:50 pm

      You just identified Ezra as a Racist! Probably!

    • 209 ChristiMTL
      July 20, 2012 at 6:51 pm

      I tell you what…..THIS to me prove how unintelligent he is……it has nothing to do with his age because one can be very mature at any age or be very immature at any age as well……..He thinks he know it all but know nothing.

      ANYONE and I mean anyone who think that Romney is a moderate who pretend to be a RWer need to have his or her head examine.

      He pretended to be a moderate to be elected in a blue state….period.

      One have to look of how he conducted his life…..from animal cruelty, to war mongering draft dodging, to tax evasion to an extend that we can’t even imagine at this point….pathological liar, corruption

      So a guy who took ZERO risks when he conducted his business, shipped jobs outside the US, raided pension funds while walking away with millions and millions is a moderate??? in any way.

      You look at his life and the President’s life who chose to be a community organizer to help the poor instead of working in a top law firm, who spent his life helping people and I’ll show you a man of integrity.

      Ef Ezra Klein, this is the most stupid analysis…..

    • 210 sabreen60
      July 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm

      I don’t usually resort to name calling, but I just tweeted to Ezra that he is an idiot based on the crap he wrote for WaPo today.

      • 211 Vicki
        July 20, 2012 at 6:58 pm

        Sabreen, see my explanation about Ezra up-thread.
        Mike Bloomberg is called El Bloombito because of the way he mangles Spanish while thinking he is speaking beautifully. Sort of like Mitt singing.
        RICH GUYS THINK THEY DO EVERYTHING WELL, and have been ill-served by people who encourage them. The Emperors New Clothes ..

    • 212 nathkatun7
      July 20, 2012 at 11:45 pm

      That’s sickening! By the way Ezra Klein pretends to be this super intellectual but, to be honest, he is really shallow. I can’t even blame his shallowness on his youth since you and Utaustinliberal have demonstrated that there are young people who, as they say, are wise beyond their years. I think Klein is trying to climb the social ladder. Since most of his fellow media people are now for Romney, all he is doing is trying to appease them so that they would hail him as some young, upcoming, independent intellectual.

      There is absolutely no evidence in Mitt Romney’s political background that he is a problem solver. If he had been he would have run for a second term as governor of Massachusetts. But because his record was so dismal he elected not to run. Which leads to ask this question: On what evidence did Ezra Klein base his claim that ” Romney has everything suited to be a great US President at this time …”? Is Klein’s evaluation based on Romney’s job creation record which was 47th among fifty states? Is his evaluation based on Romney’s record in trying to gut public education in MA? Is his evaluation based on Romney’s practice of outsourcing/off-shoring Massachusetts government jobs to India? What exactly did Ezra Klein base his glowing praise of Romney on?

  38. 213 Tally
    July 20, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    OK!

    It’s Friday. That is GOOD.

    It’s 90° today, which is only slightly above average, and one of the few hot days we’ve had so far this year…. which is wacky considering everywhere else in the country is the surface of the Sun.

    I am envisioning HZ’s beautiful flowers, and when I get home, I’m thinking I need one of these:

    • 214 yardarm756
      July 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm

      That’s an awful lot o’ trouble for a cocktail, eh?

      • 215 Tally
        July 20, 2012 at 6:55 pm

        nope. not a good one. :D

      • 216 Dudette
        July 20, 2012 at 7:01 pm

        Well, I thought it was beautiful, artistically speaking. I’d watch a movie based on these characters and that setting. Mad Max meets Devil Wears Prada?

        But as a product advertisement, I’m in yardarm’s camp — major overkill for selling a cocktail.

        • 217 Dudette
          July 20, 2012 at 7:15 pm

          What am I thinking? It’s Absolut — over the top is their thing!
          Have you seen the one they did for RuPaul’s Drag Race (S2)? Love the girls! :-)

  39. 218 Bill R.
    July 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm

  40. 219 Tally
    July 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    haaaaaaaaaaaaaa – sorry – need FUNNY today after all ths shit –

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/01/obama-mars/

  41. 222 Bill R.
    July 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm

  42. 224 Linda
    July 20, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    I just e-mailed MSNBAINC and asked if they gave free ad time to the RNC….that ad seems to be on every commercial break.

    • July 20, 2012 at 6:47 pm

      Thanks. I agree. ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • July 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm

      That is anger from the Romney camp. MSNBainC ads all over??? Get it?

      • 227 Vicki
        July 20, 2012 at 7:30 pm

        I think I’m missing something. Get what?

        • 228 hopefruit2
          July 20, 2012 at 7:55 pm

          MSNBC’s parent company NBC has ties to Bain Capital. NBC and Bain both own the Weather Channel and operate under the same business model that Bain Capital used to make profits. I’ve personally noticed a sharp deterioration in the quality of Weather Channel programming since it was purchased by NBC/Bain in 2008. I didn’t even know that was what had happened. There are now a lot more commercials, and even a few silly reality shows. Very little substance compared to say 10 years ago.

          • 229 Vicki
            July 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm

            Very interesting. Thanks!

          • 230 nathkatun7
            July 20, 2012 at 11:58 pm

            I’ve noticed the same thing, hope fruit. Too many damn commercials. I had absolutely no idea that the Weather Channel was now owned by NBC and Bain. Thank you for letting us know what’s going on.

  43. 231 donna dem 4 obama
    July 20, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Our Meta’s latest creation…YUMMY

    Brown Sugar Cake with Peaches & Cream

    http://pastrystudio.blogspot.com/2012/07/brown-sugar-cake-with-peaches-cream.html

  44. 234 donna dem 4 obama
    July 20, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    I needed this laugh today :)

    Ron Paul: I ‘Have Not’ Decided If I’ll Vote for Romney

    http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-not-decided-ill-vote-romney-220843599–abc-news-politics.html

    • 235 hopefruit2
      July 20, 2012 at 7:31 pm

      Also, neither Bush 41 nor Bush 43 will attend the RNC convention. That suggests to me that Jeb Bush will not be Willard’s VP pick.

  45. July 20, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Ha! The Weekly Standard has an article -
    Are the polls skewed toward Obama?

    Wwwwhhhhhaaaatttt?

  46. 237 lisalovesobama
    July 20, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    anyone who has never seen an episode of The Newsroom, here is a link to watch all four episodes. Please watch this, it’s about what journalism used to be and could be if only we didn’t have a bunch of punk ass know-nothing bums polluting our airways:

    http://series-cravings.info/?s=the+newsroom&op.x=0&op.y=0

    start at the bottom and click on the last link. it will open a new page then scroll down and click on the red link saying:

    Click Here To Watch, don’t download. This show is wonderful and you will love it. I’ve just finished watching all 4 episodes and am now going through withdrawl. I wish there were more to see put will have to wait till after sunday when the new one airs.

  47. 245 57andFemale
    July 20, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    My twitter timeline is full of back and forth crap on gun control. It isn’t a serious discussion by anyone, it’s just hysterical ideology flying back and forth like, well, bullets. This country is incapable of a serious dialogue on this issue. I can imagine the vitriol from other timelines that aren’t handpicked like mine to reflect common sense progressivism and support for PBO. I shudder to think what poison is being spewed.

    Two comments that I heard today, however, are worth repeating. Jim Ward on Stephanie Miller’s show this morning said, “We have a right to drive a car but we don’t give the blind driver’s licenses.”

    The other is this tweet I just read:

  48. 246 hopefruit2
    July 20, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    I think our President will at some point give a serious political address about his plans and policies for gun control, etc. But he won’t do it just now, not when the families are still raw with their grief and the facts of the incident are still being determined in the investigations. He will probably do it early after election and if he wins, at some point before he is re-inaugurated.

  49. 247 FiredUpInCA
    July 20, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Dkos:

    June fundraising: Romney’s advantage not as big as it first appeared

    “Today, we learned that just $33 million of Romney’s $106 million haul went directly to his campaign. [...] [President Obama] actually raised more money for his campaign—$46 million—than Romney did. His campaign also has far more cash in the bank: $97.5 million to Romney’s $22.5 million.”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/20/1112153/-June-fundraising-Romney-s-advantage-not-as-big-as-it-first-appeared?detail=hide

  50. 248 Dudette
    July 20, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Gotta get things set up for my West Wing viewing party with the buds. See you guys!

    [Matt Santos, I'm coming Honey!!] :-)

  51. 250 yardarm756
    July 20, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    As the story unfolds, this Holmes dude had a more insidious plan to go with the shootings in the theater According to his neighbor very loud music started coming from his apartment at midnight. It was blasting for an hour and then stopped at 1:00am. It has been theorized that this music was started up to attract police who would have come to the apartment on a noise complaint. An attempt to enter the apartment would have set-off the boobie traps. This, in turn,would have tied up police and fire and allow this jerk to do his business more methodically. Scary shit if true…….Next thing you know some Hollywood producer is gonna want to make a movie of this.(sick bastard).

  52. 253 anniebella
    July 20, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    The blood of those kill in Colorado are on the hands of the NRA.

  53. 254 anniebella
    July 20, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I saw were on Rock Center the question they asked was do you want to meet the Romney 5 sons? I answer that question like this, I rather meet their Dad tax returns.

  54. 256 susanne
    July 20, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    anybody need a laugh? these folks are running shrub through the translator.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/07/george-w-bush-convention-rnc.html?google_editors_picks=true

  55. 257 susanne
    July 20, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    ahoy yardarm, thought you might like to see some of the rimpac info, happening now in hawaii.

    http://damontucker.com/2012/07/18/man-overboard-sailor-falls-off-navy-ship-uss-essex-during-rimpac-exercises/

  56. 258 hopefruit2
    July 20, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    • 259 Vicki
      July 20, 2012 at 8:32 pm

      Bingo! aspirational. JA Bloomberg tool.

    • July 20, 2012 at 8:32 pm
      • 261 hopefruit2
        July 20, 2012 at 8:41 pm

        HAHAHA…that’s the truth.

      • 262 nathkatun7
        July 21, 2012 at 1:38 am

        Brilliant, Meta! I thank you, and I thank hopefruit2, for pushing back against Jonathan Alter. All he has been doing these days is to attack, attack, the President at every turn. I think journalists, especially those who work for big corporations, should be required ed to release their Taxsavins. doubt congress can do very much much about the proliferation of state laws permitting people to openly carry weapons. The only remedy would require amending the U.S. Constitution to restrict gun ownership, something that’s not likely to happen any time soon. Jonathan Alter knows better. He is trying to manufacture another issue to divide Democrats and undermine support for the President. Given the Supreme Court’s rulings, there is really nothing the President can do; other than just voicing his views about the senseless of violence.

    • 263 COS
      July 20, 2012 at 8:41 pm

      Alter knows darn well that PBO will never get any gun legislation passed. Why do everyone try and blame PBO everytime something like this happen. Well I certainly won’t be watching Alter. He is so disappointing. If anyone ever find out what changed him into a troll, please let me know.

    • 264 purpleshoesla
      July 20, 2012 at 9:05 pm

      Thank you Hopefruit. Who is this fucking goatfigging slimey hack? Let’s be disrespectful and contemptuous of the loved ones lost and the families reeling from today’s tragedy by crudely politicizing this event in less than 24 hours in order to blame the President. Yes, Let’s. It is moments like these that I fail at Twitter because I’d just want to heap all kinds of epithets and rage at this mofo. Disgraceful.

    • 265 Cha
      July 20, 2012 at 9:13 pm

      Again, Brilliant, hopefruit!

    • 267 carolyn
      July 20, 2012 at 8:47 pm

      I read that earlier this spring, and yes it is scary! A Mormon theocracy is the goal, and Mitt is the means.

  57. July 20, 2012 at 8:42 pm
  58. 269 desertflower
    July 20, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    My question is this. Why isn’t the NRA being called out? Why are THEY being asked to defend this horrific crime and have the attention drawn to them? I think we need to bombard them with emails, faxes, Tweets and whatever other means we have of getting our anger and horror for their enabling of this situation to exist and thrive on our society! We don’t ask for guns to go away…we ask for common sense rules and regulations so that crazy fucks like this can’t get their hands on weapons that kill, injure and maim. I think we ought to light up their phones, cram their email boxes and Tweet the shit out of them until they answer for this. Thoughts? I have been depressed and sad all day…now, I’m just furious! Though I don’t live in CO…my SON went to that midnight movie last night. My daughter went to a special screening the night before. This could have been MY FAMILY! Or YOURS. I don’t want these people driving the conversation and I don’t want this to go on and on….feel sad and sorry…talk about it …and have business as usual because the NRA OWNS these cowardly pols! How about ,,,I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK! One where people are free to enjoy a movie with their friends and families without the fear of being gunned down. I just heard that CO law PROHIBITS gun registration! WHAT????????????? This is risiculous. The NRA needs to answer for this! We don’t need assault weapons on the streets nor in the hands of anyone!

    • 270 desertflower
      July 20, 2012 at 8:44 pm

      Sorry…why is the NRA NOT being held into account for this??? That’s what I meant to say. I’m pissed.

    • 271 hopefruit2
      July 20, 2012 at 9:27 pm

      I hear ya df. The NRA seems to be controlling the agenda of many in congress and elsewhere. Why – I don’t know. And the corporate media is just as guilty by trying to divert attention away from the NRA and congress, and instead gratuitously heap blame on PBO.

  59. 272 anniebella
    July 20, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Will FLOTUS still be going to London?If so when will she be leaving. I heard her say on Steve Harvey show that she would be going but she would be right back. Have anything change about this?

    • 273 hopefruit2
      July 20, 2012 at 9:25 pm

      The opening night is not until next Friday, so I doubt that her plans will be altered because of what happened today.

  60. July 20, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    The MSM is scared as hell of the NRA.

  61. 275 Bill R.
    July 20, 2012 at 11:05 pm

  62. 276 Bill R.
    July 20, 2012 at 11:07 pm

  63. 277 Bill R.
    July 20, 2012 at 11:08 pm

  64. 278 Bill R.
    July 20, 2012 at 11:13 pm


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