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Aug
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Rise and Shine

Msg from The Obama Diary: Genuine bloggers who create their own posts in support of PBO are welcome to use anything from TOD – rebloggers, who only copy others in an attempt to up their traffic, are not. eg The reblogger who treats women like this – explicit – while using TOD posts on women’s rights. He belongs in the GOP.

President Barack Obama reacts after recognizing actress Sissy Spacek in Charlottesville, Va., Aug. 29, 2012. The President happened upon Spacek while greeting people following a stop in the town. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

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Jonathan Cohn: …. I’d like to talk, instead, about what Ryan actually said — not because I find Ryan’s ideas objectionable, although I do, but because I thought he was so brazenly willing to twist the truth.

At least five times, Ryan misrepresented the facts. And while none of the statements were new, the context was. It’s one thing to hear them on a thirty-second television spot or even in a stump speech before a small crowd. It’s something else entirely to hear them in prime time address, as a vice presidential nominee is accepting his party’s nomination and speaking to the entire country.

Here are the five statements that deserve serious scrutiny….

Full post here

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Steve Benen: At the Republican National Convention last night, Paul Ryan told so many demonstrable lies, he raised important questions about his character and what’s left of his integrity. What matters next, however, is whether anyone notices.

….. let’s not ignore those inclined to give Ryan a pass. Howard Kurtz said last night’s speech included “distortions,” but it didn’t matter, because the speech “worked.” Similarly, Charles Mahtesian noted some of Ryan’s more obvious falsehoods, but said the dishonesty was irrelevant….

Chris Cillizza named Ryan one of the night’s “winners,” for “eloquently” delivering a well-written speech “packed with great lines.” What about all of the claims in the speech that were obviously untrue? Cillizza didn’t mention it. Evaluating “delivery” matters; evaluating the truth is someone else’s job.

…. Ryan, like his running mate, tells obvious falsehoods because he’s confident there will be no consequences. He simply assumes he can lie with impunity because the media doesn’t care to separate fact from fiction.

This is a critical test of the political world, and a few too many are failing.

See full post here

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PolitiFact

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I never thought I’d see the day I’d link to Foxnews.com (thanks amk), but this piece from Sally Kohn is worth reading, even for this line alone:

“….. to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was  Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.”

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TPM

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Michael Tomasky: Paul Ryan pushed American politics into new territory with his convention speech, effectively daring Democrats and the media to call him out on his string of blatant falsehoods.

It just boggles the mind to imagine how he can stand up there and lash Barack Obama for abandoning Bowles-Simpson when he did exactly that himself. Or for taking $716 billion out of Medicare that Ryan’s own budget also removes from Medicare. Or try to blame him for the closing of a GM plant that actually closed while George W. Bush was president. Those three lies are just the beginning of a cavalcade that followed…..

…. All I can say is that we’re in new territory — a Republican trying to own a Democratic issue, and doing so on the basis of a couple of lies so blatant that he’s practically saying to the Democrats and the media: “Fuck you, come and get me. You can’t touch me.”

…. So the Democrats have to raise their game. They’ve never had to encounter this kind of buttery demagoguery before. Their campaign is going to have to be almost as much against Ryan as against Romney … They have to rebut his lies, and they have to do it without sounding bitter or afraid or superior or haughty. That’s not easy to do. But it’s the challenge of this campaign. If they can’t win the Ryan war, they’re done.

Full post here

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Jonathan Bernstein: It was, by any reasonable standards, a staggering, staggering lie. Here’s Paul Ryan about Barack Obama:

He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

“They.” “Them.” “Them.” Those words are lies. Because Paul Ryan was on that commission. “Came back with an urgent report.” That is a lie. The commission never made any recommendations for Barack Obama to support or oppose. Why not? Because the commission voted down its own recommendations. Why? Because Paul Ryan, a member of the commission, voted it down and successfully convinced the other House Republicans on the commission to vote it down.

More here

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See AP’s fact check here – and NYMag

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Cagle

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American Progress Action

American Progress Action

Thanks Desertflower and 57andFemale

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Cagle

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Read all PBO’s Reddit replies here (CBS)

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Morning everyone ;-)


193 Responses to “Rise and Shine”


  1. 1 vcprezofan2
    August 30, 2012 at 7:31 am

    GM Ms Chips! GM, Everyone! Anything tasty on the political burner today?

      • 3 vcprezofan2
        August 30, 2012 at 7:40 am

        Thanks, CC! I am as contented as that little sweetie, except that my screen seems to be freezing up each time I tried to answer Africa directly. I’m entering now through your response so we’ll see what happens.

        • August 30, 2012 at 8:33 am

          G’morning Chips, Vc, TOD, everyone! Vc you deserve a medal for having the most number of “firsts.”

          • 5 vcprezofan2
            August 30, 2012 at 8:43 am

            Morning Hf! I’m don’t, not really, but it’a a nice thought. ;) It seems like I’m being punished today (I know not why) because I can’t enter a response unless I enter through someone else’s response. When I try to do so on the board itself stuff freezes up. I have no idea why. I’m on Firefox. Anyone having similar pains or, better still, solutions, please give me some direction. Thanks.

            • August 30, 2012 at 8:55 am

              Hiya VC, I’ve been having glitchy problems with commenting too – when you click in the box it looks like it hasn’t worked, but if you actually start typing it does work! Give it a try.

              • 7 Chi
                August 30, 2012 at 9:24 am

                I’ve never seen that picture of the lovely little girl holding on to President Obama, Chip…

                It conveys such heartwarming trust and paternal care…

                What a lovely photo to start the day with especially after the RNC lie-fest last night…

                I sent Bill Press an e-mail again this morning…he had a Washington Post “reporter” on who is supposed to be “covering” the Romney campaign…

                Nia Malika Henderson(?) … Didn’t bother to check that I had her name right…she just wasn’t worth it…

                Bill Press had her on to give updates on the convention and to specifically talk about Paul Ryan’s lie-filled acceptance speech…

                She had absolutely nothing besides some lame stuff about people being enthralled with Ryan and his “boyish good looks” and “piercing blue eyes”…

                Her exact words…

                She then threw out some bit about how “someone” will “probably” fact-check Ryan’s speech and something about how the Obama campaign will probably lie in their convention speeches too since as we all now know too well how “both sides do it”…

                Here’s my e-mail:

                How incredibly frustrating and disconcerting that Nia Malika Henderson(?) is what passes for a “journalist” today.

                This dull, unimpressive, uncurious person masquerading as a serious media person and singularly charged with closely following a presidential candidate and a party convention on behalf of a major newspaper;

                And here she is hard-pressed to come up with any real insight or detailed investigative reporting besides an embarrassingly glib and obviously regurgitated reference to Paul Ryan’s “dashing good looks” and “piercing blue eyes” in response to Bill’s question about Ryan’s blatant lies.

                She very lazily assumes that “someone” will fact-check Ryan’s speech (totally lost on her obviously, is the point that that is her job!)

                She also insists it’s all part and parcel of legitimate politics! Wow!

                She then goes on to offer up the now favorite default position/talking point of all lazy, mediocre, corrupt and corporate-purchased pseudo-journalists in America today: the both sides do it crap.

                She quips that she expects the Obama campaign to do “the exact same thing”

                And we wonder why the American public is terribly uninformed and misinformed and why our democracy is in tatters? What with “journalists” like this. Little wonder.

                Nia Malika sadly validates the stereotype of unqualified minorities as quota beneficiaries. She is terribly unqualified and sadly inept.

                • 9 anniebella
                  August 30, 2012 at 9:57 am

                  Thank you Chi for sending that email. That Nia Milka woman has become a disgrace. So much so that I don’t even like listening to her any more. I am about to send Wolf an email about this lying doesn’t matter as long as it is package well comment.

                • 10 xtine
                  August 30, 2012 at 11:48 am

                  A grand THANK YOU for that email! Nia Malika has been getting on all my nerves and she’s all over my teevee. Can’t turn on any show & not see her. Good grief!

                • 11 nathkatun7
                  August 30, 2012 at 2:54 pm

                  Thank you, thank you, Chi for sending this e-mail.

                • 12 Puddin'
                  August 30, 2012 at 3:16 pm

                  Thanks for sending the email…I don’t like Nia Malika…it is sad that she is what we have as an (excuse) for a journalist who is AA…she serves nobody!

              • 13 vcprezofan2
                August 30, 2012 at 12:02 pm

                Thanks, Ms C! (Went to orthodontist for a while) Feels good to return and be able to join in.

    • 14 Nena20409
      August 30, 2012 at 9:42 am

      VC, you are Baaaack, at Numero Uno, baby. Congratulations. Welcome Back!!

  2. August 30, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Good morning all. Congrats VC. Now that we’ve heard the pack of lies from the GOP, we wait to hear from the grown ups.

  3. 21 cluny
    August 30, 2012 at 7:36 am

    hi all – just thinking about last night. They made everyone mad with their lies but can’t get thrown off track. What is 1 positive thing we can each all do today to help the O team? register 1 new person; write some questions we’d like answered to the debate moderators; donate or if we can’t find a friend who can. Cheers all.

  4. 22 amk for obama
    August 30, 2012 at 7:37 am

    GM chips.

    This sally kohn piece at pox news is worth adding to the post.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

  5. 32 amk for obama
    August 30, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Sissy Spacek standing in line to see Obama ? Cool.

  6. 33 amk for obama
    August 30, 2012 at 7:39 am

  7. August 30, 2012 at 7:43 am

    The lies are way too many to count. The NYT dubs it the vacuum behind Republican slogans. Like every other sane person, calls out the lies.

    the http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/opinion/the-vacuum-behind-the-republican-political-slogans.html?_r=2&hp&utm_source=buffer&buffer_share=1fd17

  8. August 30, 2012 at 7:45 am

    All I know is, our Convention and the Debates, the President has so much material to score major points on.
    CNN has been bought, nobody watches, because for Baggers, they like Fox News better.
    I still don’t think the Republicans are reaching anyone outside of Morning Joe and that Convention.

    • August 30, 2012 at 8:15 am

      I think you’re right about that. I’ll be very interested to see the ratings for this trainwreck. The baggers maybe looking for a new network to watch because even Fox News has had difficulty trying to play it up for the GOP.

      • 37 Nena20409
        August 30, 2012 at 9:46 am

        Ratings? Check out Tvbynumbers.com, also Mediabistro.com/tvnewser……On Tuesday, with many TV/Cable covering them, 22.1M watched total. In 2008, 23.6M watched with fewer coverage.

      • 39 Nena20409
        August 30, 2012 at 9:48 am

        Fox garnered the most viewers at 6.9M. ABC, CBS, NBC, all languished at 3M or less. MSNBC had 1.4M and TeaNN had 1.3M. The teabaggers know who gives them their Talking points.

  9. August 30, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Chips,
    This is the Biggest bunch of Hooey from Halperin ever-

    http://thepage.time.com/2012/08/30/ryans-achievement/

    In other words, lies don’t matter as long as you do it well! What a crock of Shit!

  10. 46 amk for obama
    August 30, 2012 at 7:58 am

    One thing this am I am happy about is that other than the usual thug ass kissing pundtwits, msm and sane blogging world hasn’t allowed the thugs to pull the rug over their eyes. Looking at you, wapo and grey lady.

  11. August 30, 2012 at 8:00 am

    The Media is really starting to call out the lies.
    The Robney Camp had to roll these attacks and lies out Earlier than they wanted. They wanted to do this in October, where their would not be time for the Truth.
    The Media is getting fed up, and they’re noticing all the lies.
    Over time, this will backfire, he will not gain anything and possibly lose support.
    Because, after the Conventions, the President starts to campaign full time, and then he will finally be able to get His message out.

    • August 30, 2012 at 8:23 am

      Tonight I think it will kick into overdrive because if they thought Ryan had a problem with the truth Mitt is going to make him look like Johnny Eagle Scout.

  12. 49 57andFemale
    August 30, 2012 at 8:00 am

  13. 50 Mae who love our CIC
    August 30, 2012 at 8:03 am

    TAMPA | A federal judge in Tallahassee threw out provisions Wednesday that placed tighter restrictions on groups that organize voter registration drives.

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2012-08-29/story/federal-judge-will-permanently-block-tighter-rules-third-party-voter#ixzz251vxKpPM

    http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2012-08-29/story/federal-judge-will-permanently-block-tighter-rules-third-party-voter#.UD9V3AnvaFA.link

  14. August 30, 2012 at 8:06 am

    I can’t watch MSNBainC in the Morning or during the Day.
    About the only place I can go for the truth on tv, is at night on MSNBainC.
    But, did you notice the Republicans had many long interviews setup, for MSNBainC?
    Walker, and Rice etc.
    Nobody on the Panel was allowed to talk, and when Steve Smith talks, he sounds like a fool!
    Just saying!

  15. 52 amk for obama
    August 30, 2012 at 8:09 am

    A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband stalking a round with a fly swatter.

    “What are you doing?” she asked.

    “Hunting flies,” He responded.

    “Oh, killing any?” She asked.

    “Yep, three males, two females,” he replied.

    Intrigued, she asked, How can you tell?

    He responded, “Three were on a beer can, two were on the phone.”

    /with that, off to guzzle some beer with my college buddies. ta ta.

  16. 54 Zekke Lydonna
    August 30, 2012 at 8:11 am

  17. 55 57andFemale
    August 30, 2012 at 8:12 am

  18. August 30, 2012 at 8:16 am

  19. August 30, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Ari Fleischer just went on the air and claimed that in fact that auto plant in Janesville, Wisconsin didn’t go under on George Bush’s watch — in contract to our reporting and that of every other news organization which has looked at this question.

    You see? BS!

  20. 60 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Paul Ryan stands on a foundation of lies

    By Steve Benen

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    CNN’s Wolf Blitzer said he counted “seven or eight” claims that “fact checkers will have some opportunities to dispute,” but concluded the lies didn’t matter because it was “a powerful speech” that gave Republicans what they “were hoping for.”

    CNN’s Erin Burnett added, “There will be issues with some of the facts, but it motivated people.”

    Let that sentence roll around in your brain for a moment, and ponder what it means for our country.

    Ryan lied uncontrollably, but that’s not terribly important. It undermines our democracy and the basic norms of the American political system, but no one seems to care anymore. Ryan thinks we’re idiots, but his cynicism matters less than the electoral implications.

    The United States is better than Paul Ryan’s dishonesty. It has to be. Our future depends on it.

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    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/30/13566768-paul-ryan-stands-on-a-foundation-of-lies

  21. 61 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 8:32 am

    THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS AN OBLIGATION TO EXPOSE THE LIES

    Mitt Romney: 10 Pounds of Lies in a 5 Pound Bag!

    (BE SURE TO TURN DOWN THE VOLUME. PANTS ON FIRE AT THE END GETS VERY LOUD.)

  22. August 30, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Jeb Bush says his whole speech will be defending His Brother, from the mean Obama black Guy! Not quite, but close.

    • 63 hopefruit2
      August 30, 2012 at 8:38 am

      Well, we knew that it was really GWB running for President. Willard is just the puppet that will occupy the physical space if the GOP wins.

    • 64 0388jojothecat
      August 30, 2012 at 10:30 am

      Another Gopper setting himself up for 2016…..hoping for fading memories. Wonder why his brother needs defending? What was it that he did that needs defending Jeb? Oh yeah, the huge deficiet he left, the two wars he left for the other guy, not caring if OBL continued his rein for over eight years, leaving the country in shambles on his way out the door,……

  23. 65 hopefruit2
    August 30, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Good.

  24. 66 hopefruit2
    August 30, 2012 at 8:36 am

    All good news. Nothing that Willard and his lying gang or the MSM can spin.

  25. 67 forus50
    August 30, 2012 at 8:37 am

  26. 68 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 8:39 am

    The 5 Biggest Lies in Paul Ryan’s RNC Acceptance Speech

    By: Jason Easley

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    Ryan speech showed both why Romney chose him, and why he isn’t going to help the ticket. Romney chose Ryan because he can talk the talk the far right conservative backbone wants to hear. Ryan sent the crowd on the convention floor into euphoric joy with his claims that Obamacare is the root of all evil, and big spending Barack Obama is ruining the country with his secret socialism.

    This kind of rhetoric only resonates with the Republican Party. Any non Republican tuning probably wondered what that teenage boy on stage was so darn mad about. That’s the other problem with Paul Ryan. He lacks gravitas. When you listen to Paul Ryan speak, you don’t hear leader of the free world. You hear a teenager railing against Mom and Dad because he can’t have the car tonight. This perception is only advanced by Ryan’s constant usage of his mother as a political human shield.

    All told, the GOP’s big idea man(child) gave a speech that completely lacking in ideas. This was completely forgettable speech by a completely forgettable running on a completely forgettable ticket.

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    http://www.politicususa.com/5-biggest-lies-paul-ryans-rnc-acceptance-speech.html

    • 69 jackiegrumbacher
      August 30, 2012 at 9:39 am

      LH, loved the line, “you don’t hear the leader of the free world. You hear a teenager railing against mom and dad.” Bravo!

  27. August 30, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Good Morning:
    Trying to catch up but just saw this and its as funny as heck . . . RNC stage backdrop…

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021218111

  28. 72 forus50
    August 30, 2012 at 8:43 am

  29. 74 JER
    August 30, 2012 at 8:51 am

    • 75 dotster3
      August 30, 2012 at 9:50 am

      Strangely true. That aspect of that religion is intriguing to me, confirmed on NBC’s Rock Center special, all do wear the same protective underwear. What?? Also found out that Abby Huntsman left the religion when they forced her to choose between them and the non-Mormon boyfriend she loved. She chose the boyfriend who is now her husband.

      • 76 theo67
        August 30, 2012 at 11:57 am

        Her bishop told her (Abby Huntsman) that neither, she nor her children, would be blessed if she continued on with the non-Mormon boy. She had only known him for three weeks at the time. She chose the non-Mormon – although, what she actually chose was a life where she wasn’t being dictated to by her bishop. The thing with the boy just happened to work out for her.

  30. 77 cluny
    August 30, 2012 at 9:01 am

    The first lady is so wonderful. Unfortunately I cannot access the whole interview cause of my location. If anyone comes across or knows of a suitable link that shows all the segment please post a heads up. Thanks for any help in advance.

  31. 85 relellit
    August 30, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Good morning TODville

    The Lies Continue tonight. MYTH Romney ? Will there be a remote control to kept Queen Ann’s robot on script?

    I always think of “MYTH” when I hear this one stanza of Bob Marley’s Mr. Brown. LOL

    Upsetting, upsetting, upsetting the town,
    Asking for Mr Brown.
    From Mandeville to slide-a-ville, coffin runnin’ around,
    Upsetting, upsetting, upsetting the town,
    Asking for Mr Brown.
    I wanna know who is Mr Brown?
    Is Mr Brown controlled by remote?

    Everyone have a nice day. :)

    Congrats vcprezofan2 on 1st

  32. 86 carolyn
    August 30, 2012 at 9:10 am

    I hope you can see the entire interview….it was absolutely wonderful! Letterman asks better quesrtions than any of the so-called journalists. He is thoughtful, respectful and interested. It was a totally enjoyable twenty minutes.

    • 87 COS
      August 30, 2012 at 9:18 am

      At the end of Letterman’s show Dave told FLOTUS, you know we think a lot of you here”. I think Dave is a bit smitten with our FLOTUS. :)

    • 89 veryslowwriter
      August 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm

      Remember when Letterman did the thing about the President? He listed PBO’s accomplishments then, citing the attacks from the GOP, said clearly frustrated: “What else do they want from this guy?”
      Ever since then, he’s never had an unkind word for the first family. And even his jokes have been based on facts, not attacks.

      • 90 edp4bho
        August 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm

        Although Letterman did joke that PBO would be a one-term president. Hello TOD. Loving that pic with PBO and Sissy Spacek, one of my all-time favorite actresses. Also because her name is my nick name….LOL. As for what I read here yesterday regarding the Dems and PBO not attacking back hard or often enough,( sounding like pants on fire to me)- give them their time. Sometimes some act as though PBO is blind, deaf, and passive as a result. He knows what the hell he is doing. He got to the presidency, didn’t he? Peace out y’all !!

  33. 91 hopefruit2
    August 30, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Hmmm…Peggy Noonan is not too happy with the Christie or Miss Ann! Here’s are a few excerpts from her column:

    // The opportunity Ann Romney missed was to provide first person testimony that is new, that hasn’t been spoken, that hasn’t been in the books and the magazine articles. She failed to make it new and so she failed to make it real..”

    “..Republicans aren’t really hungry for red meat, that’s not what this is about. They’re hungry for someone who is an elected official at a high level, and who is admired, to push back, to have fun, to stir the blood, to make the case, to get the troops going again. I want to tell you they marched out of the hall Tuesday night on fire for their side. But I was there and they did not. They walked out like people who weren’t quite sure what to think or how to feel…” //

    http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/08/29/ann-romney-and-chris-christie/

  34. 94 edwina3
    August 30, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I want to collect all the media headlines about Lyin Ryan in one place that we can tweet around to the media fluffers who are glossing over all the Ryan’s fabrication. What would the best way to do that? I was thinking to write a diary on Daily Kos but I would prefer that the tweet would not come from there. Any ideas on other ways to consolidate all the headlines in a tweetable format?

    • August 30, 2012 at 10:13 am

      Looks like you could collect a bunch of the headlines right here along with the links. Store them in an email to yourself and send out liberally. Could that work for you?

      • August 30, 2012 at 10:14 am

        Oops on second thought it sounds like you want all of the articles attached to a single link. What about setting up a blog via Blogger or WordPress – for free.

        • 97 edwina3
          August 30, 2012 at 10:21 am

          thanks Susan, I am trying to consolidate them all into a single link to send the fluffers, halperin, gregory et al, seeing if I can shame them into being honest, since their colleagues are

  35. 98 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Paul Ryan’s Speech: Lies, Lies and More Lies

    by Bob Cesca

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    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a major political speech so packed with repeatedly debunked lies, and I spent eight years following closely the mendacity of the Bush White House. I mean, Ryan repeated lies that have been broadly criticized and debunked for several weeks.

    We’ve documented many of them here. The Medicare lie, the GM auto plant lie, the debt and deficit lie. There were new ones, like the lie about how the president let the Simpson-Bowles commission fail when, in fact, Ryan voted against it. Every policy-related paragraph contained either an outright lie or a misleading distortion.

    So naturally it was a huge speech that fired up the Republicans who really don’t care whether an attack is honest — as long as it’s an attack.

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    http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/08/paul-ryans-speech-lies-lies-and-more-lies.html

  36. 99 ChristiMTL
    August 30, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Morning Chips, everyone….

    Can someone tell me what happened last night with Lawrence O’Donnel?

    When I checked my TL, I couldn’t believe how many people were upset with him.

    I couldn’t participate because I stayed on CSpan and I have no idea what happened.

    I’m really surprised about this.

    • August 30, 2012 at 9:21 am

      Morning ChristiMTL, I missed LOD last night so don’t know what happened. Anyone?

    • 101 hopefruit2
      August 30, 2012 at 9:27 am

      I’m not surprised. It was Lawrence’s turn on the panel to give undeserved props to the speaker (whoever it was), and so he did his job. He praised Ryan’s speech – thought it was a fantastic speech outside of the lies (which didn’t seem to bother Lawrence all that much), and generated lots of enthusiasm inside the convention hall. The MSNBC pundits take turns in giving out praise and criticism to keep us coming back for more and to drive up ratings.

      Going forward, expect to see a lot more of this up and down from the pundits – much of which makes no sense to the average viewer out there. That’s their model for keeping everyone tuned in through November 6. So far it seems to be working.

      • 102 ChristiMTL
        August 30, 2012 at 9:30 am

        Geez….I’m very disappointed ….how can you praise a speech when it’s only lies and distortions?

        Is he trying to be like Tom Brokaw now?…..smh

      • 103 cluny
        August 30, 2012 at 9:39 am

        Hopefruit, I was thinking about that and I’m not sure how many journalists were on the floor but he was so perhaps he was affected by the energy in the crowd – the difference ypu’d feel if you were at, say, a Jay Z concert as opposed to watching on TV – not quite the same. On the other hand he did seem genuinely concerned about how VP Biden would do in the debates. He was mainly concerned that in lying/making stuff up RR only trot out simple charges and any refutation of things like Medicare is complicated but I don’t see that it necessarily has to be. Why don’t dems say ‘listen, we’re making savings to protect it and YOU are going to voucherize/abolish it.

        • 104 hopefruit2
          August 30, 2012 at 9:46 am

          Rev Al and Tweety disagreed with Lawrence about Ryan. Weren’t they also in the same live hall hearing the crowd?

          And this constant underestimation of VP Biden is an issue I have with the media. Has Lawrence heard Biden speak recently at one of his campaign stops? I would advise him to do so. Biden went quite soft on Palin in 2008, but something tells me that he won’t be so nice this time around.

          • 105 99ts
            August 30, 2012 at 9:52 am

            Agreed – plus the moderator allowed Palin to do her “thing” and not answer any questions. VP Biden will be on top of it all for this one.

          • 106 cluny
            August 30, 2012 at 9:57 am

            I don’t think Rev and Tweety were in the hall – they were in the ‘studio’ set up with Rachel probably watching on a monitor and I agree with the way VP Biden is underestimated especially by idiots but Lawrence worked for Moynihan in the Senate for years – he knows and usually always praises Joe – never puts him down as a gaffe machine, etc. He was either drunk or genuinely concerned/affected by what he saw and heard. He also knows how irresponsible the media are and has already expressed concern about how vigilant the debate moderators will be in posing tough questions to RR and pressing them on the lying. That’s why he always encourages viewers to start pressuring the debate moderators now to try to keep them honest.

        • 107 japa21
          August 30, 2012 at 9:48 am

          There are two ways to judge the speech. One is the impact it had on the immediate audience. In that regard, it probably was an effective speech in terms of energizing the crowd. However, the other way is in regards to how it impacts the electorate. Since I don’t think a major portion of the country was watching it, there it will have less impact, specially since it appears the MSM have finally discovered it cojones.

          People really don’t being lied to. Of course there are those that will believe the lies no matter what, but they were never going to be swayed in a different direction anyways. But most people, when they realize they have been lied to really resent it, and wonder why the person telling the lies feels they have to resort to lies.

          I think a good path for the PBO campaign is not just to point out the lies, but ask why the GOP feels it needs to lie. Are they that uncomfortable with the truth? Do they know that if they told the truth people would reject them?

          • 108 99ts
            August 30, 2012 at 9:55 am

            It is hard to image the GOP getting more than 20% of the women’s vote if they told them the truth as to their policies in regard to women. On many issues I think some GOP supporters simply laugh and say “they don’t really mean that – just saying it for the lunatic base”

          • 109 cluny
            August 30, 2012 at 10:01 am

            Yes – good point on the lying Japa.

  37. 110 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 9:19 am

    PAUL RYAN’S BRAZEN LIES

    His Republican National Convention speech was stunning for its dishonesty

    By Joan Walsh

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    And when Ryan riffed on the handful of jobs he briefly held, his Ayn Randian roots were clear. “When I was waiting tables, washing dishes, or mowing lawns for money, I never thought of myself as stuck in some station in life, he said. [Perhaps that’s because he wasn’t; he grew up in a wealthy family.] I was on my own path, my own journey, an American journey where I could think for myself, decide for myself, define happiness for myself. That’s what we do in this country. That’s the American Dream. That’s freedom, and I’ll take it any day over the supervision and sanctimony of the central planners.” That’s straight out of Rand, and ’50s anti-Communist paranoia.

    Finally, the man chided by the Catholic Bishops for his anti-poor budget had the audacity to say, “The greatest of all responsibilities, is that of the strong to protect the weak. The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.” Ryan’s budget decimates programs for “those who cannot defend or care for themselves.”

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    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/paul_ryans_brazen_lies/

  38. 111 desertflower
    August 30, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Cryptkeeper Jan Brewer has a brain fart (what else is new!) and endorses President Obama!!!

  39. 118 carolyn
    August 30, 2012 at 9:21 am

    I hope everyone saw, or will see FLOTUS with David Letterman last night. It was an absolutely wonderful 15 or 20 minutes. He asked her good questions, and she got to talk about Let’s Move, Joining Forces, her girls camp experience, their own summers as children, campaigning…..He asked her if she was watching the Republican convention, and a cute funny look went across her face, and she handled it beautifully. He asked her about preparing her own speech for next week, and I liked what she answered. She said “several of us work on it…..” It has to come from my heart, and I live with it for a while, before I get it set and learned. I have to know the ideas to feel comfortable.”…..slightly paraphrasing, but we knew that it is from her, not uninvolved speech writers.
    Letterman is a better interviewer than most journalists. He also asked questions about headstrong children, and how much to interfere in little ones’ decisions…..how much to guide…..her answers were diplomatid and thoughtful, and funny. He listens respectfully, and they do seem to enjoy each other. He’s not trying to make points when he talks with her. I’m sure she got several million more votes last night for the president.
    I wonder if he will have Ann Romney on…..it would be a tough venue for her. As polite as he will be, she will be shown up for exactly what she is, a rich, entitled woman, simply because she can’t help doing that.

    • August 30, 2012 at 9:46 am

      I’m so upset because after looking forward to it all day, I missed it! Can’t wait to see the whole thing. She’s lovely and will knock it out of the park next week without any doubt. I got to see her up close at the 2008 DNC when she went around visiting all the caucuses and she is so relaxed and confident and stunning, it’s absolutely UPLIFTING. She opens your heart and makes you thrilled to be alive. It is no wonder she and PBO are so in love with each other.

      • 120 cluny
        August 30, 2012 at 10:06 am

        meta, you know what I always notice when members of the media (especially men) meet flotus up close and personal for the first time – they always say, with awe, how attractive/beautiful she is. Even John Aravosis wrote a charming account of meeting her briefly and how stunning she was – I’ve also heard it said by Willie Geist and Bill O’reilly! They say that photos don’t do her justice. And, of course, the world sees it when PBO looks so adoringly at his gorgeous wife. It’s always made me want to see the First Lady in person. You’re lucky and thanks for sharing that story.

        • August 30, 2012 at 10:20 am

          Yes, you’re absolutely right. But you know, even more than her incredible beauty, she emanates a warmth and genuineness and sincerity, a real down-to-earth loveliness, that makes everyone feel very comfortable. There isn’t one single neuron of arrogance, condescension or detachment in her body. She just LOVES being in the world.

          When you look at or listen to the Romney’s, there is a patrician air, a real snobbish vibe, as if they’re doing everyone a favor. They reek of not only wealth but privilege and a cold calculation.

    • 123 Debz
      August 30, 2012 at 10:42 am

      Our FLOTUS was wonderful on Letterman. She had a great opportunity to talk about her work with Let’s Move and with military families. What a delightful change from that entitled harpy, Miss Ann. It should be clear to anyone that our FLOTUS is the “closer.” I agree. she probably did get more votes for POTUS after last night.

  40. 124 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Fact check: Closer look at words spoken by Paul Ryan, others at Republican National Convention

    THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    ———————————

    GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took some factual shortcuts when he attacked President Obama’s policies on Medicare, the economic stimulus and the budget deficit.

    ——————————-

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/fact-check-closer-words-spoken-paul-ryan-republican-national-convention-article-1.1147757

    • 125 Lovepolitics2008
      August 30, 2012 at 10:48 am

      How come are they so afraid to use the real word: “LIE” ??

      “Factual shortcuts”. Can we laugh ?

  41. 126 dotster3
    August 30, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Colbert on Miss Ann’s convention speech—-living in poverty and I love you women!!!

  42. 128 desertflower
    August 30, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Think Progress has WAY more than 5 lies out of Ryan’s mouth last night….Important fact checking of the “Pack of lies” speech last night

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/29/770001/rnc-wednesday/

  43. 132 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Bit by Bit It Takes Shape: Media Evolution for the ‘Post-Truth’ Age

    By James Fallows

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    Over the years, and in a few posts this month, I’ve mentioned signs that the mainstream press is adjusting to the realities of “post-truth politics.”

    Reporters are happiest, safest-feeling, and most comfortable when in the mode of he-said, she-said. “The president’s critics claim that he was born in Kenya; administration spokesmen deny the charge.” But when significant political players are willing to say things that flat-out are not true — and when they’re not slowed down by demonstrations of their claims’ falseness — then reporters who stick to he-said, she-said become accessories to deception. This is the problem The Atlantic’s James Bennet discussed from Tampa yesterday, in a dispatch about the Republicans’ false-but-endlessly-repeated claim that the Obama administration is coddling welfare recipients by dropping requirements that they work.

    Three new positive signs:

    ————————————

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/bit-by-bit-it-takes-shape-media-evolution-for-the-post-truth-age/261741/

    • 133 4morefor44
      August 30, 2012 at 10:31 am

      wtf?!? “But when significant political players are willing to say things that flat-out are not true…” fallows, you mean such as the president was born in kenya? that thing that’s flat-out not true, yet the sentence before you call that point a “he-said, she-said” that you and your friends are “comfortable” repeating?!? damn, these stenographers are pathetic.

  44. 134 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 9:44 am

    ‘We’re Not Going to Let Our Campaign Be Dictated by Fact-Checkers’

    By James Bennet

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/were-not-going-to-let-our-campaign-be-dictated-by-fact-checkers/261674/

  45. 138 japa21
    August 30, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Quick question. I refuse to watch any of the RNC, specially when I was able to watch my beloved Brewers put to the Cubbies. Did any of the speakers actually start any of their speeches with mention of Isaac and the people who were being impacted by it?

  46. 139 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 9:55 am

    SEEING THE FACE OF EDDIE HASKELL.

    Paul Ryan: The Audacity of Hype

    By Ed Kilgore

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    The frustrating thing, of course, is that this was the first real glimpse many voters have had of Paul Ryan, and while the people in the hall knew and loved him as the man who is determined to take down the New Deal and Great Society and ban all abortions, his audacious evasion in the speech of everything controversial about his record and his agenda certainly presented a different persona. In a conversation with Paul Glastris this morning, he mentioned that when looking at Paul Ryan last night he kept seeing the face of Eddie Haskell. That’s exactly right: he’s the nasty piece of work who unctuously pretends to be someone else entirely when he need to do so. It only works when it’s done without a shred of conscience, but Ryan was up to the task. But since Ryan was supposed to be the brave truth-teller on the ticket, what on earth does that say about the kind of mendacity we are likely to hear from Mitt Romney tonight?

    The mind reels.

    ————————————–

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_08/paul_ryan_the_audacity_of_hype039576.php#

  47. 142 desertflower
    August 30, 2012 at 10:00 am

    MAy I just say that I disagree with Michael Tomasky’s point that the Democrats need to up their game to refute the LIES coming from RR. THAT would be the job of the MEDIA, which he is a part of! If the media did their jobs, like they’re SUPPOSED to, this would be over. Get OFF YOUR ASSES AND DO YOUR JOB!!

    • August 30, 2012 at 10:04 am

      I know what you’re saying DF, but I think he’s given up too on the MSM ever doing their job and feels it’s only the Democrats who can fight back against these lies – although how they do that with the media in the bag for the GOP, I just don’t know.

      • 144 desertflower
        August 30, 2012 at 10:15 am

        When the media is seemingly COMFORTABLE with letting lies stand, not call them LIES and say things like, “inaccuracies” or “missteps” when they KNOW that these utterances by ANYONE from the Republican Party is a blatant, flat out, unadulterated lie…they are undermining our democracy. They are scewing the narrative so that the American people do not understand the facts. That isn’t just wrong,it’s seditious and morally reprehensible. The fact that these people could get up and look the people of this country in the face and lie, tells me many things. None of them honorable.We are more broken than I ever thought possible. We have to fight like hell to save them all from themselves.

        • 145 hopefruit2
          August 30, 2012 at 10:23 am

          Here is an example of what we’re up against

      • 146 hopefruit2
        August 30, 2012 at 10:19 am

        “although how they do that with the media in the bag for the GOP, I just don’t know.”

        EXACTLY. And people like Tomasky need to honestly address this issue among themselves and their colleagues. The problem is not so much that the MSM are simply not doing their job, it’s that they are actively undermining the DEMS while enabling the Republicans by pushing their talking points. They push primarily GOP talking points in interviews with D or R candidates, during news segments, during political analysis, at anytime. Meanwhile, they put significant effort into “fact-checking” the DEMS while allowing GOP lies to go unchecked unless they blow up in the blogosphere or social media site.

        This often places restraints on what the DEMS are able to do. Even when the Dems try to set the record straight, the MSM is quick to play the false equivalency game, or bring on a Republican to “counter” the Dem or change the subject by focusing on other distractions.

        • August 30, 2012 at 10:23 am

          Agree completely Hopefruit. But apart from a few people – like Greg Sargent, Steve Benen, Charles Pierce, Tomasky (sometimes) – there are so few willing to call out the lies. It’s people like Chuck Todd, Jake Tapper, etc who have the real MSM power, but they do nothing with it, they just allow those lies go unchallenged. That’s why I love seeing them challenged repeatedly on Twitter, you live in hope that they’ll finally be shamed in to doing their jobs.

        • 148 nathkatun7
          August 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm

          Very well said Hopefruit! It’s the responsibility of the media to tell the people the TRUTH. Yes Democrats can tell the truth but if the media does not validate those truths the people who are not well informed find it difficult to decide which party is lying and which party is telling the truth.

    • 149 theo67
      August 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm

      My disagreement with Tomasky was that he seems to think that the Democrats will be the losers if they don’t make a good enough argument against the Republican lies. The reality is that the American people, and any countries that will be invaded (plus, the global economy) will by the losers. Pure and simple. Many Democrats are millionaires – I read somewhere that there are more Democratic millionaires than millionaire Republicans in Congress. They’ll be just fine with lobbying jobs under the GOP administration. It’s the rest of us who will suffer.

  48. August 30, 2012 at 10:03 am

    OOoopsie. Check out this Latino Rebels Facebook Page:

  49. 153 squarepeg
    August 30, 2012 at 10:09 am

  50. 154 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 10:09 am

    PAUL RYAN IS THE NEWEST NEW NIXON, A MOOCHER BELIED

    (( He knows what he believes, and he believes it with the sincere faith of a true fanatic, but he also knows that demonstrating that faith in public would be a quick way to a career in the private sector. So he turns on his limitless reservoir of greasy charm and sells exactly the opposite. ))

    By Charles P. Pierce

    ———————————————

    The difference, of course, is that Nixon was deeply, authentically marked by deep and authentic poverty and deprivation. He came by his ultimately self-destructive neuroses honestly. He earned every wound that he imagined the smart people of the world — the Jews, those damn Kennedys — had inflicted on him. He actually worked a job outside of government, and outside the Washington universe of government-dependent think tanks. He once actually had to earn a living. Paul Ryan hasn’t lacked for a job since he left college as the golden child of Wisconsin Republican politics, riding his family connections into a job with then-Senator Bob Kasten.

    When Paul Ryan is really working Nixon’s side of the street, he talks about how his father died when he was a teenager, and about how his mother rode the bus to Madison, and he’s trying to wring the same notes from the biographical tin-piano that Nixon could play like Van Cliburn. However, when Ryan turns the phrase, “I still live on the same block where I grew up,” he doesn’t mention that he happens to live in a 5,800-square-foot mansion that is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. No good Republican cloth coats in the Ryan closet, that’s for sure. Richard Nixon would have resented this upstart on sight, and not just for stealing his act. He’d have had Bob Haldeman on Ryan’s ass by morning.

    ———————————————

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-convention-speech-12188956

    • 155 57andfemale
      August 30, 2012 at 10:46 am

      Yeah, Paul Ryan — both of my parents were dead by the time I was 21. But I didn’t have a construction company family business to pave my way. I worked my way through college and was GRATEFUL that Social Security survivor benefits helped some until I was 22. I have been on my own my entire adult life. Your hardships, without a worry in the world, bear no resemblance to what real people face.

      I have asthma and a little high blood pressure. Self-employed, one of those ‘small businesses’ you claim to revere, I am uninsurable, and before for-profit insurance companies were denying any insurance, it was completely unaffordable. At 62 years old, I have paid the employee and employer share of FICA for 30 years. You want to take away the security and health care that I have paid into since I started working at 16 years old? YOu miserable, heartless bastard.

      Both of my parents died when they were 63 (my dad when I was 18, my mom when I was 21). My father saw none of the social security money or the [then] new Medicare that he had paid for. But as a good FDR Democrat, he would have been glad that the next generation would enjoy some semblance of security and dignity in their senior years. That’s what being American used to mean.

      • 156 theo67
        August 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm

        You are the best of this country. You should share a version of this story with the folks in the White House.

        • 157 57andfemale
          August 30, 2012 at 1:57 pm

          You know, theo67, it makes me so angry when this entire Republican party looks down on the rest of us. This insidious meme that anyone who gets anything from the government is some kind of lazy slacker. WE PAY FOR THESE BENEFITS. We invest in each other.

          I don’t want ‘free’ health care, but I want to be able to get health care that is affordable. The for-profit health insurance industry is what makes that impossible and it is the DUTY of my government to make it possible for me to contribute to society and to my country. This has gotten totally lost in political discourse since Reagan and I’m sick to death about what people believe that is total b.s.

          • 158 theo67
            August 30, 2012 at 2:04 pm

            True – people have come to accept GOP framing, even though they’ve pretty much gotten all of it demonstrably wrong over the years. They are a failed party with nothing but failed policies, and they are actually killing this country.

            If the GOP somehow win this election, people will be working to put money into the pockets of the rich. People who raise their heads to ask a question will be knocked down. There will be a flurry of wild legislation that will generally make it impossible to live in this country if you are a decent person who just wants to work hard, take home a decent wage, travel about the country freely and create a livable place for your children to dream. Banks will be deregulated. Guns will be deregulated. Education, clean energy, innovation will be defunded. Pollution will become rampant. Progress will be reverted. Everything will be destabilized. Hate will run in the streets, because the racists will have been vindicated. I won’t live in a place like that – and I have options. Others don’t. I weep for this country – these are perilous times.

            • 159 57andfemale
              August 30, 2012 at 2:26 pm

              My brother was 15 years older than I. He died December 5, 2000. He never lived to see Bush installed as president. One of our last conversations was that he couldn’t fathom an America where people would put ideology above their own interests, and that Bush would have to govern from the center because he didn’t win the popular vote.

              I vehemently hated Bush and felt in my gut that he would usher in dark days for this country, which my brother just couldn’t fathom. He was my best friend in the world, but who was the naive one in the end?

              • 160 theo67
                August 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm

                Yeah – it’s the same head-shaking I’m experiencing with friends whom I’ve been trying to educate wtih facts. Some of them just can’t believe that there’s anything to worry about, despite the evidence. They also don’t think that there’s all that much difference between the parties or that any party can do much damage in just a few years. It’s astounding, given the GOP’s history of messing things up.

                • 161 57andfemale
                  August 30, 2012 at 2:44 pm

                  Breathtaking, isn’t it?

                  This time they mean it. They really do. They will do everything they say they will do and will do it with swiftness and heartlessness.

                  Back to my musings about my upbringing: everyone was at least somewhat engaged when I was growing up in the 50’s and 60’s. My parents were much older, starting their marriage and family in the beginning of the Depression. Everyone read a newspaper, everyone had basic civics knowledge. That the Republicans have managed to destroy knowledge and critical thinking and time-treasured American ideals in the last 30 years is breathtaking to me.

                  In part I blame Democrats who, like your friends, just could not fathom that people would be this stupid. Whilte RW think tanks were formed to change political discourse, the taking over of school districts and municipalities by RWNJ’s, and their intense patience for seeing the long game and voting reliably while our side looked to ‘fall in love’. And here we are.

                  At 62 years old, the spectre of social security and medicare not being there for me after all my years of hard work — I just want to weep.

                  • 162 theo67
                    August 30, 2012 at 2:50 pm

                    Yes – I’m nervous, too. It’s the trashing of all traditional institutions that scares me – they have effectively brainwashed a whole segment of the population. Last week, I saw a woman who looked like any woman I’d see walking down any street – fairly respectable, looked somewhat educated. They were interviewing her about Romney’s birther comment, and she was foaming at the mouth about the demands to see his tax returns. She couldn’t believe the audacity of people actually wanting to vet him. They are rabid – and they need to be squashed.

      • 163 edp4bho
        August 30, 2012 at 2:03 pm

        I agree with Theo. This would sound so good on a big screen at the convention.

        • 164 57andfemale
          August 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm

          I didn’t have my parents for very long but I am so grateful for the strong, FDR Democratic family I grew up in. I remember conversations about politics and values as early as I can remember.

  51. August 30, 2012 at 10:12 am

  52. 166 donna dem 4 obama
    August 30, 2012 at 10:18 am

    GM TOD

    I wasn’t around last night for the Lie-Fest. Happily, I was in my local OFA office making calls to the battleground state of Virginia. I’ll be doing the same again tonight. We had 41 people in the office last night for a mid-week phone bank. That’s an awesome turnout. To be honest, my calls were so-so but I got two more volunteers so that made it a successful night.

    I will be fundraising quite a bit today. May I suggest that the TOD Fundraising Team join me in this effort? Our campaign needs money folks. We are being outspent 2-1 in ads in the battleground states. So I’m appealing to you to dig deep TOD & please share our links with your friends and family and post them on Facebook and Twitter. I understand that not everyone is in a position or eligible to donate but if we know how to blog then we know how to share links. Every effort can make a big difference.

    The campaign really needs our help in any way possible. <–This is the honest truth!

    Here are a few things we can do for the Obama Campaign:

    Drop some food & water donations off to your local OFA office or have food delivered. Some of those volunteers are there from sun-up to late into the night. They need to be kept nourished.

    Ask your family members who are supportive if they would be willing to volunteer an hour a week until the election.

    If they can, ask your family, co-workers and friends if they would donate $5.00 a week until the election.

    Voter registration deadlines in some states will be upon us before we know it. Everyday please share the gottaregister link on Twitter & Facebook. https://gottaregister.com/ . This is especially essential if you have family & friends in a battleground state.

    Last but not least, sign up to volunteer at OFA and donate on a regular basis from now until the election.

    Labor Day is this weekend & the campaign will be kicking it into another gear after the Convention next week so it’s crunch time everyone!

    Please help me in my effort by donating to support my 100 donations in 100 days Fundraising Challenge. https://donate.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/2012/donnanoshock3?mobile_optin=1

    Thank you everyone and have a great productive O’Day!

  53. 168 terim
    August 30, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Can anyone tell me how many blatant lies Paul Ryan uttered during his convention speech? I owe the Obama campaign $10 for every lie. Thanks!!

  54. 173 desertflower
    August 30, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Ryan closed his speech with this??

    6. “The greatest of all responsibilities is that of the strong to protect the weak.” Ryan closed the speech with an invocation of social responsibility, saying, “The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.” However, numerous clergy members have condemned Ryan’s budget plan as “cruel,” and “an immoral disaster” because of its devastating cuts in social programs the poor and sick rely on. Meanwhile, Ryan would give ultra-rich individuals and corporations $3 trillion in tax breaks.

    I hate them for what they say, and do to this country for their own greed and power.

  55. 174 edwina3
    August 30, 2012 at 10:27 am

    LYAN RYAN: A TALE TOLD BY THE MEDIA
    Dave Weigel:
    “incredible string of false or misleading statements”

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_breakfast_table/features/2012/_2012_republican_national_convention/paul_ryan_s_speech_included_an_incredible_string_of_false_or_misleading_statements_.html

    Joan Walsh:
    “His Republican National Convention speech was stunning for its dishonesty”

    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/paul_ryans_brazen_lies/

    Jonathan Cohn:
    The Most Dishonest Convention Speech … Ever?

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106730/ryan-most-dishonest-convention-speech-five-lies-gm-medicare-deficit-medicaid

    TPM:
    Top 5 Fibs In Paul Ryan’s Convention Speech

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106730/ryan-most-dishonest-convention-speech-five-lies-gm-medicare-deficit-medicaid

    Michael Tomasky:
    “Paul Ryan pushed American politics into new territory with his convention speech, effectively daring Democrats and the media to call him out on his string of blatant falsehoods”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/30/michael-tomasky-on-paul-ryan-s-convention-speech-and-his-web-of-lies.html

    Jonathan Bernstein:
    Paul Ryan fails — the truth

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails—-the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html#pagebreak

    AP:
    FACT CHECK: Convention speakers stray from reality

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j-oHGoQbH0RmoY7rNL47-I6BYziA?docId=dc7b2d4bcfab405989965fd9505a1aff

    Dan Amira:
    Paul Ryan Bets on the Ignorance of America

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/paul-ryan-rnc-speech-lies-fact-check.html

    Fox News, Sally Kohn:
    “Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.”
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252BejeYA
    Steve Benen;
    Paul Ryan stands on a foundation of lies

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/30/13566768-paul-ryan-stands-on-a-foundation-of-lies

    Huffington Post headline:
    PAUL TALES: RYAN MISLEADS, AGAIN AND AGAIN

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/paul-ryan-address_n_1841819.html

    Politicsusa:
    5 Biggest lies in Romney’s speech:

    http://www.politicususa.com/5-biggest-lies-paul-ryans-rnc-acceptance-speech.html

    Bob Cesca:
    Paul Ryan’s Speech: Lies, Lies and More Lies

    http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/08/paul-ryans-speech-lies-lies-and-more-lies.html

  56. 178 anniebella
    August 30, 2012 at 10:30 am

    So Andrea Mitchell’s husband Alan Greenspan was a Ayn Rand supporter.

    • 179 dotster3
      August 30, 2012 at 10:46 am

      They were “an item”. They sorta look alike—–a good match. True love! Dreamy in a gross sort of way.

    • 180 collegekay
      August 30, 2012 at 10:47 am

      Yes he is. I am being forced to read Alan Greenspan’s book for one of my classes this semester.

      • 181 anniebella
        August 30, 2012 at 10:55 am

        So there it is Andrea Mitchell is a Republican. Am I wrong?

        • 182 forus50
          August 30, 2012 at 11:53 am

          I wouldn’t draw that conclusion just because she is married to him – many couples are not of the same Party. Publicly she does the bullshit false equivilency better than anyone. In the voting booth I wouldn’t doubt she votes Dem though.

  57. 183 57andfemale
    August 30, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Let’s take back the Googles: google “Paul Ryan lie” and Paul Ryan liar” to put this stuff front and center on Google.

  58. 186 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 10:41 am

    FAIRNESS AND ACCURACY IN REPORTING

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    What’s FAIR?

    FAIR, the national media watch group, has been offering well-documented criticism of media bias and censorship since 1986. We work to invigorate the First Amendment by advocating for greater diversity in the press and by scrutinizing media practices that marginalize public interest, minority and dissenting viewpoints. As an anti-censorship organization, we expose neglected news stories and defend working journalists when they are muzzled. As a progressive group, FAIR believes that structural reform is ultimately needed to break up the dominant media conglomerates, establish independent public broadcasting and promote strong non-profit sources of information.

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  59. August 30, 2012 at 10:41 am

    LOD just said Ryan did great for low info Undecided Voters.
    Okay!
    I will not be watching Him, tonight. This is what happens when you hangout with Republicans, on the Convention Floor. You begin to think, like they do. Disappointed!

    • 188 japa21
      August 30, 2012 at 11:01 am

      Jovie, his statement is accurate. For the low info voters Ryan did do great. The point is to try to reach out to those voters and make them less low-info and to make sure they see the lies.

  60. 189 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 10:46 am

    PAUL RYAN’S ‘SELF-RELIANCE’

    Concocting an ‘origin story’ for VP hopeful’s character

    FAIR – 8/15/12

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    Whoa–“not without contradictions”? If Ryan’s life story is to connect up in any way with his extreme anti-government political philosophy, then “self-reliant” has to mean “as opposed to relying on government.”

    Yet Ryan, in the wake of his father’s death, was crucially aided by government. “It was a tough time for our family, and Social Security was there to help us when we needed the help,” Ryan told AP (1/16/05; cited in New Yorker, 8/15/12). “I was a personal beneficiary of the Social Security safety net system.” (Presumably Ryan’s elderly grandmother was also receiving Medicare benefits.)

    It should go without saying that there’s nothing wrong with a child whose parent has died taking survivor’s benefits–that’s what they’re for! But it’s hard to frame receiving such benefits as the core element of a story whose moral is that people should be independent of the government.

    Nor does the rest of Ryan’s story do much to bolster a “self-reliant” narrative. He used those Social Security benefits to learn about libertarian economics at publicly financed Miami University, and after college got a job on the public payroll as a Capitol Hill staffer (American Prospect, 8/14/12). His only adult job in the for-profit private sector, in fact, was a year spent working as a marketing consultant at his extended family’s construction business–which is also hard to frame as a sign of “self-reliance.” (As Salon noted–8/14/12–the Ryan family business has relied heavily on government contracts over the years.)

    Yet “self-reliance” as the key to Ryan’s character is the story corporate media were fed, and by and large they swallowed it. Maybe they could do with a little less reliance on campaign spin.

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    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4601

  61. 190 0388jojothecat
    August 30, 2012 at 10:47 am

    After all the liars spoke I took the teevee off mute and watched Tweety interview the crowd outside the convention floor and there were of course Republicans, Independents, and three Democrats. One of the Dems (black guy) said he voted for Obama but this year is for Robme, the other two Dems were from OFA and are voting to re-elect the president. The Independent said she had not made up her mind and tweety asked her if she knew that Ryan lied about the plant closing during Obama and she said she didn’t know that, and he said “now you know”.

  62. 192 Ladyhawke
    August 30, 2012 at 10:51 am

    FAIRNESS AND ACCURACY IN REPORTING – MEDIA CONTACT LIST

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    FAIR’s Media Contact List

    Let your voice be heard! Talk back to the media.

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    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111


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