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Heads Up: President Obama speaking at Arlington Cemetery

11:0: The President participates in a wreath-laying ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery; the First Lady, Vice President and Dr Biden also attend

11:15: The President delivers remarks

Also live on:

White House live

Streaming from Arlington has started at:

CNN * CBS * C-Span


351 Responses to “Heads Up: President Obama speaking at Arlington Cemetery”


  1. 9 proudmemberofglobalzero
    November 11, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Thank you to all of our Veterans…my father, sister, brother-in-law and everyone else who serves!

  2. 10 prettyfoot58
    November 11, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Very important discussion taking place MHP about Poverty….

    i wish i had UTs recap capability….

    take a listen ….

    Forward>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  3. November 11, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I wonder if cspan tv will have it? I hope the MSM starts 2 show the Presidents events.

  4. November 11, 2012 at 10:54 am

    UT? Are you there? You never actually congratulated me on the BIG victory of the week ….. Aston Villa 2, United 0 …. then: Aston Villa 2, United 3.

    :cool:

    I want warm congratulations too.

  5. 23 utaustinliberal
    November 11, 2012 at 10:57 am

    I admire David Axelrod’s non-gloating restraint on Face The Nation especially when Schieffer was spinning nonsense. I’d have brought fireworks and a megaphone and responded to every question with “WE WON! WE WON! WE WON!”

    He did push back on Schieffer’s nonsense that Pres. Obama’s victory was a narrow squeaker. Guess Schieffer doesn’t grasp the concept of arithmetic 332-206 is a LANDSLIDE. Axe was fantastic.

    • 24 amk for obama
      November 11, 2012 at 11:02 am

      Isn’t time for these old nutters like schieffer, brokaw, bill o racist, that ascot wearing clown, that pbs blinker, rather, et.al. to be banned from teevee? I mean couldn’t murka find any replacements for these geezers in the past 3 decades ?

    • 37 hopefruit2
      November 11, 2012 at 11:05 am

      Schieffer damn well knows that this was no squeaker and if it were the other way around, he would talking about a “resounding defeat.” Schieffer is nothing but a damned dishonest washed-up, has-been dirty corporate, hack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 38 ChristiMTL
      November 11, 2012 at 11:09 am

      He is a class act…..Shieffer is a fool…..if you take away Citizens United and corporate media, the GOP PR machine, it would have been even more impressive.

      It is a CLEAR mandate….period.

      These idiots can spin all they want, it won’t change anything.

      President Obama took all the swing states but NC…..not a squeaker!

      Ahhh this video is so sweet, I just want to hug her!…

      • 39 amk for obama
        November 11, 2012 at 11:16 am

        Look at that old lady crying. She knows she has been saved.

      • 40 Ceb
        November 11, 2012 at 11:26 am

        Our old white people can take their old white people at any time. Yay for the diversity of the Obamacrats!,,

      • 41 theo67
        November 11, 2012 at 12:26 pm

        They all just wanted to hug her – that was really sweet! This victory was definitely sweeter than the last one. Everybody knew what was at stake, and how this man needed to win this second term so he could take credit for all his hard work making history in the first term. Listening to Romney say “I’ll take a lot of credit for the auto recovery” and “the markets and the economy will automatically improve with my election” – you knew that scheister was just planning to steal President Obama’s legacy, with the media in full cooperation. People recognize the good in President Obama.

    • 42 relellit
      November 11, 2012 at 11:14 am

      utaustinliberal

      That is hilarious. On that propaganda station, which I dare not mention, you know the one that has a license to lie. Anyhow, since MSNBC wasn’t on; we gave it a peep to catch the lie of the day. Lindsey Graham said the election was close. I and my son who is a veteran burst into laughter. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

      Our President looks so solemn and respectworthy while taps is played. He has the weight of the world on his shoulders and is the only person capable of leading this nation.

      Obama’s re-election applauded around the world

      In Myanmar, which is opening to the world after five decades of isolating military rule, some said they were relieved Obama was re-elected because he had chosen to engage rather than sanction their country.

      http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/11/obamas_re-election_applauded_a.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    • 43 vitaminlover
      November 11, 2012 at 12:15 pm

      Mr. Axelrod is pure genius.

  6. 45 jacquelineoboomer
    November 11, 2012 at 10:59 am

    At the 11th hour on the 11th day of the 11th month … first to commemorate the end of World War I, and named Armistice Day … we specifically honor our brave Veterans! Thank you for your service to our country. All gave some, and I’m so proud and moved to see President Obama at Arlington, showing respect for those who gave all.

  7. 46 relellit
    November 11, 2012 at 10:59 am

    The best President in my lifetime who sincerely cares about life and death is laying the wreath. Happy Veterans Day to them and their families. Happy Veterans Day to all our veterans here @ Todville as well.

    Thanks for the link Ladyhawke. In the article Ted Kennedy had old MYTH pegged when he said Romney will say anything. No wonder he called MYTH “multiple choice”! :lol:

    President Obama sends Donald Trump his college transcripts

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i0SESUMwkWQ/UJry3YgWYLI/AAAAAAAAOQI/J8JzjzfSwSA/s320/bilde.jpg
    Reply

  8. 48 prettyfoot58
    November 11, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Where is FLOTUS

  9. 56 Cheryllou
    November 11, 2012 at 11:02 am

    God our President looks delicious!

  10. 58 hopefruit2
    November 11, 2012 at 11:03 am

    MY Commander-in-Chief, YOUR Commander-in-Chief, OUR Commander-in-Chief!

  11. 59 amk for obama
    November 11, 2012 at 11:05 am

    PV lead closing in on 3.3 mil with 50.6% to 47.9%.

    http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

  12. 61 yesteryum
    November 11, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I am curious to know from non-Canadians how known our ubiquitously read Remembrance Day poem “In Flanders Fields” is outside our borders. I feel so very thankful for the soldiers of the past who fought and died for our freedoms when I hear it.
    Heaven bless your friends, family and ancestors who fought for peace, justice and freedom.

    • November 11, 2012 at 12:13 pm

      hi yesteryum, here in the UK “In Flanders Fields” is read every Remembrance day, it is very well known.
      Remembrance/Veterans day has a very personal meaning for me and I would just like to say a huge THANK YOU to all veterans and may blessings be upon you all. There are no words for the love and respect I have for all those who have served our respective countries and the free world owes so much to their service and sacrifice.

      I am also so grateful that President Obama will continue as Commander in Chief of the US forces, he truly was born for this role.

  13. November 11, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Thank you Relellit!

  14. 72 Ceb
    November 11, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Love those smart military salutes wheel our CIC was announced. Repubs heads explode because they know that the democratic skinny guy with the funny name has been the most successful CIC since WWII.

  15. November 11, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Question. So other than the Stars and Stripes, the flags of the branches of service, what are the other flags representative of?

  16. 83 amk for obama
    November 11, 2012 at 11:24 am

    I posted this gopolitico piece in the earlier thread. It’s a good read.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83679.html?hp=f2

  17. 84 cos
    November 11, 2012 at 11:25 am

    It is a shame that CNN can not take time off from chattering and show the entire ceremony.

    • 85 yesteryum
      November 11, 2012 at 11:29 am

      I don’t think I even remember how many times my hubby and I yelled at the tv wishing they’d shut up. We don’t have cable or sattelite anymore. It’s a joy.

    • 86 Ceb
      November 11, 2012 at 11:31 am

      Watch it on C-Span. Use the link that Chips provided.

    • 87 hopefruit2
      November 11, 2012 at 11:33 am

      That’s why I changed the channel to CSPAN one. The news channels can’t bear to interrupt their Sunday Republican infomercial for one minute to pay tribute to America’s veterans. Yet the same Republicans want to start/continue wars and claim they’re patriotic.

  18. 89 amk for obama
    November 11, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Also. Too.

  19. 90 desertflower
    November 11, 2012 at 11:27 am

    “Mr. President, congratulations on your re election.” :)

  20. 96 sherijr
    November 11, 2012 at 11:32 am

    woohoo Happy Vets Day everyone.. its a beautiful day here in Baltimore :) have a truly lovely day all. Listening to the General right now, looking forward to POTUS.

  21. 97 anniebella
    November 11, 2012 at 11:32 am

    I just saw FLOTUS. All is right with the world. :)

    • 100 amk for obama
      November 11, 2012 at 11:35 am

      Happy Vets Day, Sailor.

      • November 11, 2012 at 11:37 am

        +1 Thinking of you Yardarm.

      • 102 yardarm756
        November 11, 2012 at 11:38 am

        Thank you my friend. I’m glad to still be here.

        • 103 amk for obama
          November 11, 2012 at 11:45 am

          So are we, ya. :)

        • 104 utaustinliberal
          November 11, 2012 at 12:13 pm

          Happy Veterans Day Yardarm. Thank you thank you thank you so much for your service.

          • 105 yardarm756
            November 11, 2012 at 12:25 pm

            Thank YOU for acknowledging this poor soul. Too bad folks didn’t feel the way you do when I came home in ’67.

            • 106 Dakota
              November 11, 2012 at 2:03 pm

              I remember when my brother came home from Nam, there were no parades or warm welcomes. He gets a new hat every year with his platoon number on it and wears it with everything. He wore suits to work every day until recently and he always had it on. He came to visit me last year and it brought tears to my eyes to see the recognition from people on the streets. They stop and ask him where he served and what year or they’ll walk past and say “Marine!” We went into restaurants and other vets would salute or come up to our table and shake his hand.
              A dear friend of ours passed away a few years ago. His name was Mr. Bob Lawrence and he was a Tuskegee Airman. At his services a white gentleman spoke and said he’d asked Bob how could he serve so valiantly in the face of such racism? Bob told him, “We had a job to do.” You did your job Yard and we couldn’t be prouder of your service.

              • 107 yardarm756
                November 11, 2012 at 5:43 pm

                Thanks Dakota. I knew and worked with some Tuskegee Flyboys and hoisted more than a few with them. All but a hand full are gone now and the Korean group will be next and soon me.

    • 108 a4alice
      November 11, 2012 at 11:44 am

      Thank you for your service Yardarm and to all those service men and women who are lurking too.

    • November 11, 2012 at 12:56 pm

      Happy Veteran’s Day, sailor, and thank you for all your service!!

      #FORWARD

  22. 113 a4alice
    November 11, 2012 at 11:36 am

    PBO speaking now. nice day for it!

  23. 114 utaustinliberal
    November 11, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Yup. Sec. Shinseki is happy that Team Obama-Biden won!

  24. 115 GGail
    November 11, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Good west coast morning Chipsticks.

    Thank you yardarm, jovie and all of our veterans and military personnel & their families who have served our Country.

  25. 116 yesteryum
    November 11, 2012 at 11:37 am

    I don’t know if I properly congratulated Americans on PBO’s re-election. So … congrats! :) I spent my evening on Tuesday as worried and then as elated as you all. I… er… he’s on. Are you sure we Canadians can’t steal him for a little while. I’m so very tired of the “robot” we have ( and whom I did NOT vote for).

  26. 122 sherijr
    November 11, 2012 at 11:38 am

    He already has me tearing up… he has honored vets and active duty better and more genuinely than any President in my lifetime.

  27. 123 amk for obama
    November 11, 2012 at 11:38 am

    An old man took his dog to the vet after getting several complaints from the mailman. After examining the dog, the vet said, “Sir, I don’t see anything wrong with your dog other than the fact that he is old, and through my years of practice, I have found that if you castrate an old dog, they will get fat and lazy and mellow out quite a bit.”

    After giving this much thought, the old man said, “OK doc, go ahead, because if I don’t do something, my ass is going to end up in jail.” Three days later, the old man went to the vet’s office, picked the dog up and took him home.

    That evening, the old man was sitting on his porch reading his paper, and the bulldog was laying by his side. Along came the mailman, who turned into the old man’s front gate to give the old man his mail. Off of the porch jumped the dog, knocked the mailman down, and proceeded to tear his ass up.

    The old man came off of the porch, picked the dog up, placed him under his arm and said, “Damn Mr. Mailman, I’m sorry as hell, but I just don’t know what to do with this damn dog.” “As a matter of fact, I just took him to the vet three days ago and had him castrated.”

    The mailman got up, brushed himself off and said, “Well you dumb son-of-a-bitch, you should have had his teeth pulled instead”.

    Gunnite folks.

  28. 126 anniebella
    November 11, 2012 at 11:38 am

    It was nice of the General to thank the First Lady and Dr. Biden for what they do.

  29. 128 amk for obama
    November 11, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Ok. One more. And that’s that. No more requests.

    A Sunday School teacher of preschoolers told her students that she wanted each of them to have learned one fact about Jesus by the next Sunday. The following week she asked each child in turn what he or she had learned.

    Susie said, “Jesus was born in a manger.”

    Bobby said, “Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple.”

    Little Johnny said, “Jesus has a red pickup truck but he doesn’t know how to drive it.”

    Curious, the teacher asked, “And where did you learn that, Johnny?”

    “From my Daddy,” said Johnny. “Yesterday we were driving down the highway, and this red pickup truck pulled out in front of us and Daddy yelled at him, ‘Jesus Christ! Why don’t you learn how to drive?’

  30. 131 mtmarilyn
    November 11, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Good morning TOD family and our Ms Chips. What an honor it is listening to our wonderful President. He truly cares about our Military like no other President.

    I want to thank my husband, Yardarm and all others who have served our country. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

  31. 132 amk for obama
    November 11, 2012 at 11:42 am

    And I forgot. /smacks head.

    Happy Vets Day, Jovie.

  32. 133 Ceb
    November 11, 2012 at 11:45 am

    ” we take care of our own…by fighting for you and your families everyday.”

    PBO speaking of caring for veterans beyond once a year.

  33. 134 utaustinliberal
    November 11, 2012 at 11:47 am

    This is one more reason why I am so overjoyed Pres. Obama was reelected. He leads with actions.

  34. 135 sherijr
    November 11, 2012 at 11:48 am

    He never fails to tell the story of the human element to all things.. he weaves it all so beautifully ~

  35. 137 utaustinliberal
    November 11, 2012 at 11:48 am
  36. 138 prettyfoot58
    November 11, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Wow…what an AWEsome Speech….

    Have i said how much i love our President….

  37. 139 Bill R.
    November 11, 2012 at 11:49 am

    My father died in 2004. He was a veteran of WWII, having fought as a marine in both the Atlantic and Paciic. He lied about his age in order to join the Marines at age 16 to flee an abusive and alcoholic home. By the time he was 19 he was in the Pacific with the First Marine Division. (If any of you have seen the HBO series, “The Pacific”, he fought with that group of Marines, under the command of “Chesty” Puller.) He was awarded the Silver Cross for bravery on Peliliu, where he was one of five Marines who were able to walk off the hill from the Battle of Bloody Nose Ridge, the rest were killed or wounded. He was shot by a sniper on Okinawa and went to a hospital on Guam to recuperate from his wounds. He was sent to Klamath Falls, Oregon to recuperate at a high altitude hospital from the tropical disease of Malaria. There he met my mother and they were married and stayed together just long enough to have me. He was tormented with PTSD and the beginnings of alcoholism. I was raised by my mother and had a troubled relationship with my father. When I was in HS he began to get sober and get his life together. He married a wonderful woman in my stepmom, Margie and they had three more children.

    Eventually through his own recovery he was able to train to become an alcohol counselor himself, and started an alcohol treatment program in the community of Medford, Oregon, and later at the nearby V.A. facility at White City, Oregon, where he devoted his life to helping other vets heal from the violence of war and from the disease of alcoholism. In my late 30s my father and I started going to a monastery every year on a meditation retreat together, and we spent the time in silence and in long talks telling our story. And we ran road races together twice a year. Running was a way we could be together. Our relationship began to heal to the point where we became best friends by the end of his life. My father had begun to have a happy and rewarding life and when he retired, he served on the city council in his community. After 9/11 he began having nightmares again of the war which stayed with him until he died. After 9/11 he began to lose weight and had a recurrence of PTSD related depression. He declined and his kidneys began to fail, but we had some good times going on fly fishing trips in the mountains of Eastern Oregon, right up to he point of his failing health and eventual death from kidney disease. A life long Republican my father became increasingly disgusted with their extremism and hatred and got out of his sick bed to change his registration just a few weeks before his death in Apr. 2004. He went into a coma, but waited until I arrived at his hospital room to leave this life. I held his hand and talked to him about our journey together and let him know it was okay for him to let go. As he expired I held him in my arms and felt his spirit leave his body.

    My father believed that there was a force and a goodness bigger than the violence of war and bigger than alcoholism, a Higher Power that holds us and sustains us, and heals us from the wounds of this life. He told me a story a few years before he died. He was out running one morning. (He would have been in his late 60s then.). He was running along a street in his neighborhood when all of a sudden he found himself somewhere else, on Bloody Nose Ridge on Peliliu. He said he had always though of that place as the definition of hell. Only this time it was like heaven. All the men who died there were there, the Americans and the Japanese. Only this time it was all peaceful and happy, and the men welcome him and they were talking to each other about how wonderful it was that they no longer had to do terrible things to each over. So he spent some healing, happy time communing with them, and all of a sudden he found himself back in Medford, Oregon running down the street he was on, back in his body. He said, after that experience all of the anger and hate from the war had left him.

    At the end of his life my father had known the truth that violence, hatred, war, and the afflictions of this life, like PTSD and alcoholism, even broken marriages and unhappy childhoods don’t have the last word. We both experienced a healed relationship. I held him in my arms and as he drew his last breath I felt his release and his victory over all that had afflicted and hurt him in his life.

    My father spent the last months of his life on the city council trying to save the detox facility in his community that he had founded from being defunded by right wing conservatives. Following his death the community came together and found a way to fund and remodel the existing facility. They renamed it in his honor. In his death he saved this important resource for men and women like himself.

    My father’s name was Bill, like mine. He was born in Brooklyn, New York, but because of the war ended up living and dying in Oregon. He told me many stories about his life and the war on our retreats together. He said when he was returning from the war he was on a hospital ship entering the San Francisco Harbor. He thought of all the terrible cruelty he has seen and participated in and how it had scarred him. He vowed that he would learn to become a kind person. He succeeded.

    • 140 lisalovesobama
      November 11, 2012 at 11:57 am

      Bill, your dad was a true hero who served his country so well and did us all proud. Thank you so much for telling us about him and happy Veterans Day.

    • 141 mtmarilyn
      November 11, 2012 at 11:57 am

      OH Bill, thank you so much for sharing your story! Your father was a very special man.

    • 142 Nena20409
      November 11, 2012 at 12:01 pm

      Happy Vet’s Day to all our brave men and women.

      My sincerest condolence for your loss. Men like your father made and kept USA a nation that it is today…..working harder to be Perfect the Union. Thank you for sharing your Dad’s story. May Bill Sr continues to RIP.

      11/11/12……Happy Veteran’s Day.

      Thank you all…..every Vet. May God Continues to Bless all our brave Men and Women. May God Bless the USA and all our TOD Families across the Globe.

    • 143 sherijr
      November 11, 2012 at 12:02 pm

      Bill thank you so much for sharing this, the story of your father’s many heroic battles.

    • 144 a4alice
      November 11, 2012 at 12:03 pm

      Wow. Bill. Thankyou for sharing that deeply moving account of your father’s life. It’s a lesson for us all. For those of us who are recovering alcoholics, it is always good to hear the story of how someone else has turned their own lives around to help others. Your father was a good man. thanks again.

    • 145 desertflower
      November 11, 2012 at 12:05 pm

      Thank you for sharing this with us, Bill. I had a hard time reading through the tears. What a special man he was….and what a special son he has. I will think of him on this day, and honor his memory and all the others like him. Thank you for your very personal story.

    • 146 daisydem
      November 11, 2012 at 12:05 pm

      What a touching story Bill. And what incredible memories you have of your father and his legacy.

    • 147 CEB
      November 11, 2012 at 12:06 pm

      Thank you,Bill, for sharing so much of yourself and your dad with us. Too full to write more.

    • 148 PoliticalJunkessa
      November 11, 2012 at 12:16 pm

      Thank you so much for sharing this, Bill. I can really relate to it, more than you know. Wish I could give you a big hug. ((((((((((Bill))))))))))
      ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

    • 149 prettyfoot58
      November 11, 2012 at 12:20 pm

      He thought of all the terrible cruelty he has seen and participated in and how it had scarred him. He vowed that he would learn to become a kind person. He succeeded.

      ***************************************

      Ohhhhh Billll….

      what an awesome story of triump…thank you for telling us…i salute you and your dad…

    • 150 utaustinliberal
      November 11, 2012 at 12:21 pm

      Thank you so much Bill for this story. Your dad was a hero and I am glad that you got to repair your relationship with him and he got to do so much good in this world. Thank you and I also thank him for his service.

    • 151 hopefruit2
      November 11, 2012 at 12:33 pm

      Thanks Bill for sharing this with us this beautiful story about your DAD. He was truly an American hero. Happy Veterans Day to you and your family.

    • 152 LunarSea
      November 11, 2012 at 12:41 pm

      What an amazing story. Thank you so much for sharing with us.

      What an incredible journey for him and for the two of you. He has joined the men on the hill, free of the demons that invaded his life and free at last from the horrors of war.

      I hope you feel his guidance and presence often because I’m sure he will always be with you and looking out for you. Peace.

    • 153 theo67
      November 11, 2012 at 12:41 pm

      What a beautiful tribute and a epic journey with your father. Thanks for sharing this. And thanks for your father’s service.

    • November 11, 2012 at 1:18 pm

      Thanks so much for sharing with us about your Dad Bill. Very touching and inspiring life.

    • 155 betseyc
      November 11, 2012 at 1:29 pm

      Hank you for this beautiful, difficult story, Bill. Alcoholism is such a sad disease. My father, too, ultimately triumphed over its hold, but others I have loved could not.

    • 156 Dakota
      November 11, 2012 at 2:08 pm

      Thank you for sharing this touching, inspirational story of your father Bill. He was a true hero and patriot.

    • 157 susanne
      November 11, 2012 at 2:44 pm

      thank you bill.

    • 158 Sam UK Obama Supporter
      November 11, 2012 at 3:01 pm

      Bill thank you for sharing this moving yet uplifting story. Your father is a true hero and an inspiration – so are you. It is an honor to read about your father’s life and his incredible spirit and ability to conquer adversity and turn it into something so positive and inspirational. Thank you, again Bill for sharing.

    • 159 EDP4BHO
      November 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm

      Bill, this is nothing if not a testimony to the Most High. What a great man your father was. Very inspirational, and I thank you and him for showing the possibility of growth and redemption.

    • 160 Betsy
      November 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm

      Thank you or sharing your dad with us Bill, thank you everyone on this blog who served this country for keeping us safe.

    • 161 andogriff
      November 11, 2012 at 4:28 pm

      Bill, thanks for this wonderful story about your father.

    • 162 ber6964
      November 12, 2012 at 8:44 am

      Thank You…………What a beautiful story of the Human Capacity to Overcome.

  38. 163 mtmarilyn
    November 11, 2012 at 11:49 am

    What a speech. I have tears flowing down my cheeks.

  39. 165 utaustinliberal
    November 11, 2012 at 11:54 am

    After the Veterans Day event, C-SPAN One will air Pres. Obama’s victory speech in Chicago. I’m gonna watch it for the…oh…like….one thousandth time. :D

  40. 167 hopefruit2
    November 11, 2012 at 11:56 am
    • 168 Nena20409
      November 11, 2012 at 12:04 pm

      FDR was vilified by many Liberals. Clinton too.

      JFK and RFK……Liberals Loved. They were both horribly assassinated.

      LBJ is marginalized when he was a GREAT president. ‘Nam was his downfall.

      No Condition is Permanent. Liberals and Progressive would always evolve.

  41. 169 desertflower
    November 11, 2012 at 11:57 am

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83681.html?hp=l1

    FBI whistle-blower contacted Eric Cantor on David Petraeus affair

    Ok. Why???

    • 170 mtmarilyn
      November 11, 2012 at 11:59 am

      In the article it says the person first contacted a repub congressman. I do believe there are embedded people from the Bush days that are in their job to pass on info to hurt Democrats. I have my worries about this.

      • 171 desertflower
        November 11, 2012 at 12:17 pm

        Possibly. I’ve learned to never underestimate the lengths they would go through to take digs at the President. How very “UnAmerican” of them. Anyway, on a lighter note….have I mentioned how nice it is to see you back here:) ?

    • November 11, 2012 at 12:00 pm

      I think he believed the investigation was being suppressed until after the election and perhaps he thought Cantor could do something about that. Just more conspiracy mumbo jumbo.

  42. 173 GGail
    November 11, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Our President takes the time to shake every person’s hand who is up on the stage with him. What a wonderful human being his is!

    God bless President Barack Obama

  43. 175 prettyfoot58
    November 11, 2012 at 11:57 am

    I wonder how many of those men on stage who shook PBOs hand voted for Romney….

    • 176 jacquelineoboomer
      November 11, 2012 at 12:04 pm

      Most veterans come together when commemorating our heroes, so I’m thinking most are not thinking about that today. (I also think those who know President Obama intimately also voted for him, no matter their political party! Who wouldn’t? :) )

    • 178 anniebella
      November 11, 2012 at 12:19 pm

      Alot of them look like older white men, so I would guess a few of them voted for Mitt. But only guessing.

    • 179 theo67
      November 11, 2012 at 12:52 pm

      They looked pretty enthusiastic up there, and some were scrambling to get a handshake. After making some incorrect assumptions during the election based on stereotypes, I’ve learned my lesson. President Obama’s supporters come in the most interesting colors, shapes and sizes. And since he never has to run for re-election again, we can graciously assume that everyone supports him now (and if they don’t, they don’t actually matter anymore). :)

      • 180 prettyfoot58
        November 11, 2012 at 1:31 pm

        Theo….

        what i think about is ,,,can we win over the GOP base…can we break thru the fear…resentment….racism…that they are so victim to….and if so…how do we do it….

        • 181 theo67
          November 11, 2012 at 1:35 pm

          As time goes on, those who can think (if there are any left) will start to realize that they’ve been lied to. They’ll start to see that Obamacare isn’t destroying their lives, that the jobs really were created and the economy is really recovering. They’ll see the last of the troops coming home, they’ll see more energy options, and the price of gas decrease as a result. The things they fear will start to subside, and they’ll just accept reality. And as things improve in their lives, they’ll turn away from the noise machine of FOX, and start to live their lives – and maybe change the minds of those around them. The fever has now been broken of their desire to oust the President – there’s nothing they can do about it, and on Jan 20/21, they will have to face reality. The real reality.

          By the end of President Obama’s term, the country will have moved a little more to the left, albeit the center-left. And reason will have to prevail in 2016, so that if the GOP find a viable candidate, it won’t bring the world to the edge of disaster again. That’s my prediction.

          • 182 prettyfoot58
            November 11, 2012 at 1:43 pm

            one of my major concerns is the Voter supression and the gerry mandering of districts in the state…who has access to the polls and who doesn’t determines who is not only in the white house but the state house…i think that one of the things that the dark money has learned..is that they can influence local and state races…i hope that one of the things that we have learned is that we have to be organized at the local level and how important the role that Unions played in this election,,,

            • 183 theo67
              November 11, 2012 at 1:45 pm

              Such an important point! The GOP have been working at all levels of government (local, state, federal) for forty years. We have a lot to catch up with.

          • 184 relellit
            November 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm

            theo67

            As time goes on, those who can think (if there are any left) will start to realize that they’ve been lied to.

            Some have seen the light.

            The Romney Campaign was a Consultant Con Job

            Two comments from a rightie website.

            I donated to the Romney campaign. Not much, but it was what a could afford. I think it came out to about $300. That’s grocery money to feed my family. That’s gas money to get my kids to school and for me to get to work. And this is how it was spent? To line the pockets of wealthy charlatans? Words can’t describe how angry this makes me. And this “good man” allowed this to go on right under his nose. Mitt Romney owes me and a lot of other Americans a huge apology.

            Yet more evidence that we have been living in fantasyland for too long now. I don’t want to hear that this is all Romney’s fault, or all the campaign’s fault. The simple fact is that in the run-up to this election, we were fed a steady diet of lies, from all our “loyal” sources. We need to hold not only the Romney campaign accountable, but also the conservative press (specifically the Murdoch press – Fox was the worst of the bunch), and the establishment talking heads like Karl Rove and Peggy Noonan. We need to get clear about something: these people are selling us a product. They have been taking our money and telling us bedtime stories. We complain about the MSM, but can we honestly say that the conservative press has been more honest?

            http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/09/campaign-sources-the-romney-campaign-was-a-consultant-con-job/

            • 185 theo67
              November 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm

              Wow – this is a hopeful sign. Telling these people they’ve been lied to won’t be as effective as them coming to this realization for themselves, and then sharing that reality with the people who trust them. It’s psychological. And what Fox & Co have done to the people of this country should be a crime.

    • 186 Betsy
      November 11, 2012 at 3:26 pm

      I wonder too. My aide in my classroom is a military wife (coast guard) and she told me yesterday that most of the military people she knows are not happy PBO was re-elected. I told her that didn’t make sense as military giving to PBO was way up this year. I asked her what specifically they were saying they didn’t like, and she said there were no specifics. I am sure she voted for Romney because the military votes Republican, at least her husband did, so she did, but I did not ask her. I tell her alot about what I learn from here, but she always acts as if what her friends say on facebook is the truth, not what I share. She doesn’t say that to me, but it is how she behaves. I felt very angry towards her military friends because I truly shudder to think if Romney was elected, we would soon enter into a war with Iran. Scary how close it was (that 47% even voted for him amazes and scares me), and I just don’t get how ungrateful they seem to be. Don’t they see what a good CIC President Obama is? It’s like the killing of Osama bin Laden was nothing. Grrrrrh.

  44. 187 collegekay
    November 11, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Long video of PBO making calls on Election day.

    • 188 theo67
      November 11, 2012 at 1:08 pm

      That laugh just slays me. There’s one shot of the woman who nearly freaks out at 8:09 when he says “this is Barack Obama”, she’s just barely holding it together. That would be me! He’s just sitting there, making phone calls. The Leader of the Free World… wow!

  45. 190 dotster3
    November 11, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    I was just thinking how devastated I would be if the election outcome was not what it was, if this would be the last Veterans Day celebration where President Obama would speak, the last one with him as president. YIKES!
    I am so thankful for our win and that he will be our president for 4 more years. What a Huge Huge Relief!

    • 191 theo67
      November 11, 2012 at 1:10 pm

      I was thinking that when I saw that VP Biden and Dr. Jill were there. I wonder if they had thought this would be their last Veterans Day together, and they wanted to share it together.

  46. November 11, 2012 at 12:01 pm
  47. November 11, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Thank you to all the veterans and their families for their sacrifice to our country. I hope you all feel honored and supported by our President.

  48. 194 hopefruit2
    November 11, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    CSPAN one TV now showing PBO’s acceptance speech. :) What a thing of beauty. Anyone who is upset at this man’s re-election has a SICK SOUL.

    • 195 anniebella
      November 11, 2012 at 12:17 pm

      Well hopefruit2, the haters, the racists have a sick evil heart.

    • 196 LunarSea
      November 11, 2012 at 12:47 pm

      I have watched that so many times now.

      Yesterday I watched in this order, the last campaign speech in Iowa, then the acceptance speech, then the conversation with volunteers & team, then the O’Donnal’s moment of gloat.

      Egads, but it felt so good!

      • 197 theo67
        November 11, 2012 at 1:14 pm

        Yesterday, I watched the Convention speeches again. Michelle Obama, Bill Clinton, VP Biden, President Obama and then John Kerry thrown in for good measure. I also felt I could finally stomach the Queen Ann convention speech – I was clawing at my eyes by minute 3, and my ears were bleeding by minute 7, but I stuck it out – and at the end, my disdain for the media was triple-fold. I don’t know what they were talking about when they were fawning over her speech, but it was absolute giggly drivel. This country (and the world) really dodged a bullet on Tuesday!

        • 198 LunarSea
          November 11, 2012 at 1:24 pm

          “I also felt I could finally stomach the Queen Ann convention speech – I was clawing at my eyes by minute 3, and my ears were bleeding by minute 7, but I stuck it out ”

          I understand the feeling. You are a better man than me. I still can’t bring myself to watch or listen.

          Here, some soothing tea for you wounds. :lol:

    • November 11, 2012 at 12:48 pm

      “What a thing of beauty…”

      Yeah, it is… ;)

      YES.WE.DID, Again!
      Press On, #FORWARD 2012 & Beyond, Together!
      #TrustBarack (As Bobfr says) ;)

    • 207 Vicky
      November 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm

      I rewatched it as well! Can hardly wait until Inauguration Day…. even though very little changes.

      • 208 theo67
        November 11, 2012 at 1:17 pm

        I think it’ll be the difference between living together and getting married. It’ll be official, his legacy will be written in stone, and he will be (psychologically) free to enjoy the second term fully.

        • 209 susanne
          November 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm

          and that’s a mighty big difference :)

          the new and re-elected senators and congressfolk will also be legitimized, the defeated cleared out. a fresh start with a big surge of energy from the LANDSLIDE GIANT GIANT SPANKING MANDATE !

          (can you tell i’m excited about this?)

  49. 211 utaustinliberal
    November 11, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    In the land of you can’t make this up…..

    • 213 susanne
      November 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm

      ‘not the onion’– because otherwise, who’d believe myth was only matched by a cannibal? truly, un-make-up-ably hilarious!!

    • 216 susanne
      November 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm

      i went to wikipedia for more info on this, and john fremont of california was indeed the republican presidential candidate in 1856; he lost to james buchanan, the democrat.

      before we get too cheeky, remember the democrats were pro-slavery at that time, and fremont ran on a platform of, ‘free speech, free press, free soil, free men–fremont! (nothing in there about cannibals.)

      • 217 susanne
        November 11, 2012 at 4:18 pm

        one more thing: take a minute and look up john c. fremont on wikipedia. not an easy man, but a fascinating one, whose exploits are truly historical. i think the cannibalism reference must be from one of his winter trips across western mountains with little food and no maps.

  50. November 11, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    • 219 theo67
      November 11, 2012 at 1:20 pm

      That’s how far into loonyville the right wingers have gone, that we have to celebrate any voice of reason, no matter how small. I’m glad to hear it, though – let’s just hope some of them start listening.

  51. 220 yardarm756
    November 11, 2012 at 12:08 pm
  52. 221 utaustinliberal
    November 11, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Hey Jovie….Happy Veterans Day! Thank you so much for your service.

  53. November 11, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    • 224 utaustinliberal
      November 11, 2012 at 12:25 pm

      Really Frank? He also sold nonsense to the GOP audience. Now he wants to throw stones? LOL.

    • 227 LunarSea
      November 11, 2012 at 12:52 pm

      He is just another loser in this race. After all his coaching on which words will have what effect….

      I hope he never gets another job in DC. The nerve of him to act ‘above it all’ now.

      Do they really think we are THAT dumb? They must think the whole electorate are all dumb a$$ listeners of rush limpballs

    • 230 Nena20409
      November 11, 2012 at 12:55 pm

      Luntz was the originator of the Jan 20, 2009 plotters of political Coup ‘d tat.

      He is a pollster too and a wordsmith. This is a guy that selectively picks the so called Inds and come up with crap. The man is a partisan and a lying sack of crap.

    • 233 pkayden
      November 11, 2012 at 2:41 pm

      Faux News Viewers have no one to blame for their belief that Romney would win but themselves. Who told them to watch and believe Faux News? It should be obvious to any sane person that Faux News commentators lie, lie some more and lie again. They need to find a different channel to watch, like MSNBC.

      • 234 susanne
        November 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm

        or just go take a walk. maybe then their brain would have a moment’s peace in which to actually THINK.

        honestly, when i saw that chart this morning of which religions produced the most voters for which candidate, it struck me that evangelicals have been sold a load–most are not wealthy, most are not opposed to family planning, most are humane.

        so step away from the teevee, people, and let your mind consider the words of jesus–the ones about the rich man getting into heaven like a camel can get through a needle eye; or about being our brothers’ keeper; or how about the golden rule. how does the meaning of this affect your vote: ‘first, love one another’. ?

        sorry for the sermon, but it breaks my heart that so many good people, truly wanting to do the right thing, voted for myth robmey and lyin’ ryan because pox spews told them to.

        • November 11, 2012 at 4:04 pm

          I feel the same way. I have several very Evangelical friends who were for Romney no matter what. One has Medicare and Social Security, and two of her children have serve or are serving in the military. The fact that President Obama wants to strengthen the first two, has done so much to support veterans, has ended one war and is winding down another one, and will not rashly involve us in another conflict matters not one whit. Another is a 35 year old man who is burdened by massive student debt. He went to seminary and used up all his loans and maxed his credit cards to do so. The fact that President Obama took the student loan program out of the private lenders’ hands and stopped the student debt interest from doubling makes no difference. The issue is abortion (and in the guys case a lot of Fox news economic mumbo-jumbo). They refuse to believe that by making contraception so much more accessible the abortion rate will decline. They prayed and prayed for a Romney victory. I wonder if they will take PBO’s election as a sign from God that they were wrong. They are sweet people and want what they think is best for this country.

          • 236 susanne
            November 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm

            truly, the rethugs have twisted this issue into a political bludgeon. free birth control– including morning-after pills, condoms, vasectomies, and implants–will take some needed pressure away. i hope.

    • November 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm

      Frank Luntz has some nerve. He should start with himself. He tried peddling his nonsense on Bill Maher show, and Maher was having none of it. He needs to take a look in the mirror. Ha.

  54. November 11, 2012 at 12:17 pm
  55. November 11, 2012 at 12:22 pm
  56. 243 desertflower
    November 11, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Must Read: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/nov/09/what-romney-lost/

    Other defeated candidates compiled stellar records after they lost. Two of them later won the Nobel Prize—Jimmy Carter for international diplomacy, Al Gore for his environmental advocacy. John Kerry is still an important voice for the principles he has always believed in as a Democrat. Michael Dukakis carries on as the college professor he always was, with no need to reject or rediscover any of the policies he championed. Robert Dole joined with McGovern in international nutritional projects.

    None of these men engineered a wholesale repudiation of their former principles. Romney, on the contrary, did not let earlier positions grow—enriching, say, his experience of health care legislation to give his approach greater refinement or focus. He just tried to erase the whole matter from his record. He began with a promise to be to the left of Senator Kennedy on gay rights and abortion—and ended up to the right of Strom Thurmond. He decided to hire more expensive lawn care only on the principle of “I’m running for office, for Pete’s sake, I can’t have illegals.”

    McGovern and Dole were war heroes. They asked what they could do for their country. Romney, who avoided military service as a missionary, said none of his sons of military age could serve because they were serving the nation by helping him, year after year, run for president. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for your family.

    Many losing candidates became elder statesmen of their parties. What lessons will Romney have to teach his party? The art of crawling uselessly? How to contemn 47 percent of Americans less privileged and beautiful than his family? How to repudiate the past while damaging the future? It is said that he will write a book. Really? Does he want to relive a five-year-long experience of degradation? What can be worse than to sell your soul and find it not valuable enough to get anything for it? His friends can only hope he is too morally obtuse to realize that crushing truth. Losing elections is one thing. But the greater loss, the real loss, is the loss of honor.

  57. 244 desertflower
    November 11, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Where in the wide world did my post go? Well, I’ll try again:) http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/nov/09/what-romney-lost/

    Other defeated candidates compiled stellar records after they lost. Two of them later won the Nobel Prize—Jimmy Carter for international diplomacy, Al Gore for his environmental advocacy. John Kerry is still an important voice for the principles he has always believed in as a Democrat. Michael Dukakis carries on as the college professor he always was, with no need to reject or rediscover any of the policies he championed. Robert Dole joined with McGovern in international nutritional projects.

    None of these men engineered a wholesale repudiation of their former principles. Romney, on the contrary, did not let earlier positions grow—enriching, say, his experience of health care legislation to give his approach greater refinement or focus. He just tried to erase the whole matter from his record. He began with a promise to be to the left of Senator Kennedy on gay rights and abortion—and ended up to the right of Strom Thurmond. He decided to hire more expensive lawn care only on the principle of “I’m running for office, for Pete’s sake, I can’t have illegals.”

    McGovern and Dole were war heroes. They asked what they could do for their country. Romney, who avoided military service as a missionary, said none of his sons of military age could serve because they were serving the nation by helping him, year after year, run for president. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for your family.

    Many losing candidates became elder statesmen of their parties. What lessons will Romney have to teach his party? The art of crawling uselessly? How to contemn 47 percent of Americans less privileged and beautiful than his family? How to repudiate the past while damaging the future? It is said that he will write a book. Really? Does he want to relive a five-year-long experience of degradation? What can be worse than to sell your soul and find it not valuable enough to get anything for it? His friends can only hope he is too morally obtuse to realize that crushing truth. Losing elections is one thing. But the greater loss, the real loss, is the loss of honor.

  58. 245 desertflower
    November 11, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Chips….seriously, 2 posts just vanished into the interwebs and I have NO IDEA where they are!! Can you please release them?? It was a really important read!

  59. 246 hopefruit2
    November 11, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Bruce Springsteen’s “We Take Care of Our Own” will be etched forever in my memory as the definitive song of Campaign 2012!!

  60. November 11, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    • 267 mtmarilyn
      November 11, 2012 at 12:53 pm

      Great read! How is the car!

    • November 11, 2012 at 1:16 pm

      I hope Chips features Jim’s message and thank you for sharing the link, df. Have been a fan of his for quite some time.

      This segment is elemental:

      “To all of my brothers and sisters in arms, those of you who have stood the watch, those of you who walked point into the unknown, and those of you who are even now out there in the dark and dangerous corners of the world, my message to you remains ever the same:

      Respect is earned, each and every day, by every word, by every action. It can’t be bought, it can’t be bargained for. It can be lost with a single deed, a single careless gesture, a single failure to act. Men and women will lay down their lives at your command, but they won’t do it for freedom or democracy or because you’re bigger or tougher or the meanest son of bitch who ever lived or because you’re smarter or better educated or because they love you or because they hate you, they do it because they respect you. Respect is why Americans remember you today – or not.”

      It’s also why McChrystal and Petraeus have done so much damage – their actions were disrespectful to every person whom has ever served and to the President of the United States.

      For all those who lurk, if any of you have served, Thank you!

      #TrustBarack He’s Earned It

      • 271 prettyfoot58
        November 11, 2012 at 1:50 pm

        i understand ,,,the heart of these comments…my question is ….why are there people who are attempting to minimize his fall from grace….like Sen Fienstein who wanted the President to not accept his letter of resignation…

        • November 11, 2012 at 2:27 pm

          Because reality, on the scale of the dereliction of duty committed by Gen Petraeus when he was having (at least one) adulterous relationship, it’s really hard for folk to reconcile with the fact that he has served in so many dangerous and distinguished roles. So, the initial reaction is no surprise – denial. By now, you can fully expect plenty of anger from certain folk.

          But, the reason I mentioned it was to highlight the fact that when he undermined the exceptional level of respect so many people had for him, he really did a lot of damage, and that’s why I thought it was important to share Jim’s assessment of the core, elemental nature of respect.

          • 273 prettyfoot58
            November 11, 2012 at 3:27 pm

            and i agree with you Bob….but then that leads me to say that ..he before all others knew that if his affair was discovered ….what kind of damage it would bring or did he think that he was above reproach…

  61. 274 yardarm756
    November 11, 2012 at 12:48 pm
  62. 278 hopefruit2
    November 11, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Everyone wants a piece of our President.

  63. 279 prettyfoot58
    November 11, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    one thing that wears on me..is the media’s attempt to try to create or distort a narrative

    • 280 hopefruit2
      November 11, 2012 at 1:19 pm

      It’s one big disinformation campaign that the corporate media has been waging.

      • 281 Nena20409
        November 11, 2012 at 1:38 pm

        The reason that I am always begging Mark Cuban to use one of his HDNet stations for a real 24/7 Fact based News. We need it and Need it bad to counter the MSM…..that is the ONLY way we get to revise the He/She said meme in the Journo world.

      • 282 prettyfoot58
        November 11, 2012 at 1:39 pm

        HF…

        i have not decided if it a deliberate attempt to deceive or to just make themselves relevant and important…

        • 283 hopefruit2
          November 11, 2012 at 1:47 pm

          It’s both. The media is an extended arm of the Republican party – and the more uninformed the electorate – the better Republicans do in elections. The more uninformed the electorate, the more difficult it is for a Democratic president/congress to pass legislation that would benefit the middle-class and decrease the extreme wealth disparity.

      • 284 anniebella
        November 11, 2012 at 1:55 pm

        “F” the MSM. They did everything they could to help Mitt Romney. The MSM are just as shell shock as Mitt is that his lying butt got kicked.

  64. 285 cluny
    November 11, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    I watched a segment of PBS’s ‘Brookes and Shields’ where they discussed amongst other things the clip of PBO with his campaign staff the morning after the election. Shields told the story which was told to him by a young friend who was at the campaign offices that PBO went around the room after the speech and hugged and thanked EVERY ONE of the 700 staffers. Lovely! No wonder the girls have such exquisite manners and are so thoughtful. He and Michelle O are just lovely.

    • 286 anniebella
      November 11, 2012 at 1:29 pm

      I can’t hug everyone, but I sure can thank them all for everything they done.Thanks to everybody.

    • 287 Nena20409
      November 11, 2012 at 1:35 pm

      The man is Not a fake.

      He is Steady. Consistent. Kind. Honest. Smart. Strong. Handsome. Considerate. With Humility. Wicked Sense of Humor. A Smile that can melt Butter.

      He is POTUS……Now what’s Not to brag about? Pinch me, pinch me Cluny.

    • 288 theo67
      November 11, 2012 at 1:38 pm

      I love this additional element to the story. The campaign staffers really did deserve that final hands-on encounter with the President. How awesome!

    • November 11, 2012 at 2:03 pm

      I heard that, too, Cluny, from a good friend who was on the OFA Chicago staff. Every last one of them got a hug. We have an amazing
      president.

  65. 290 forus50
    November 11, 2012 at 1:50 pm
  66. 291 hopefruit2
    November 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm
  67. 295 1jam4pbo
    November 11, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Happy Veterans’ Day America.

    You have a President who will ensure that “We take care of our Own”

  68. 296 Bill R.
    November 11, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    I’m hoping that people here intend to boycott Papa Johns Pizza, Walmart, Red Lobster, and Olive Garden who have taken a public position of retaliating against their workers for the election of President Obama.

    • November 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm

      Add Long Horn steak house—owned by the same group that owns Red Lobster and Olive Garden.

      • 298 0388jojothecat
        November 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm

        I agree with boycotting these places to take my business at the neighborhood restaurants and pizza places. Who works at these over priced big box restaurants? usually single people who can work for the neighborhood restaurants after they start getting more business, they will need more help. Americans need to stop being so afraid because that’s waht these CEO’s are banking on.

    • 300 susanne
      November 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm

      guaranteed–never go there! i still feel funny buying grapes! viva!

    • November 11, 2012 at 4:11 pm

      I never go to any of those places, so sadly I can’t express my displeasure by stopping. However I am spreading the news and I will email the companies anyway, I think.

    • 302 nathkatun7
      November 11, 2012 at 10:07 pm

      I will never spend a penny in all the businesses you listed. Although I have to do some up grading there is no way I will patronize Home Depot again.

  69. November 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm
  70. November 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm
  71. 306 squarepeg
    November 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm
  72. November 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    • 308 lisalovesobama
      November 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm

      he’s such an ass. how could he do this to his wife? :roll:

    • 312 dotster3
      November 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm

      It sounds like this new “target” may have also been a “paramour”. This whole thing is weird. Why was Eric Cantor told about this from Rep. Dave Reichert R-Wa.? who then called this new Tampa target, confirming the harassing and then contacted the FBI—–in Oct.? Strange details.

      • 313 susanne
        November 11, 2012 at 4:10 pm

        countdown to darrel issa….3…2….1….

      • 314 theo67
        November 11, 2012 at 5:06 pm

        Personally, I think the person who told Eric Cantor about this should be investigated, since he spoke of an ongoing FBI investigation – one that the President had not even been briefed about yet. These Republicans are dangerous.

  73. 315 squarepeg
    November 11, 2012 at 3:20 pm
  74. 316 dotster3
    November 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Fast! Media, loving a sex scandal, has come up with the woman who was receiving the harassing emails from Paula Broadwell——and who triggered the FBI investigation—–a 37 yr. old State Dept. military liason in Tampa, Fl. Just reported that Broadwell is “furious” about the exposure of this story. Thought it might have been a little awkward when she heard about it when she was out with husband and friends for her 40th bday at fancy restaurant in Va.
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fbi-cia-face-questions-about-petraeus-affair

    • November 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm

      I’m with Doris Kearns Goodwin on this one. She spoke about it on Meet the Press earlier:

      MS. DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN (Presidential Historian/Author, “Team of Rivals”): I don’t know. I think in general, I wish we could go back to the time when the private lives of our public figures were relevant only if they directly affected their public responsibilities. What would we have done if FDR had not been our leader because he had an affair with Lucy Mercer? Think of the productive years that Clinton could have had if Monica Lewinsky hadn’t derailed him. We’ve got to figure out a way that we give a private sphere for our public leaders. We’re not going to get the best people in public life if we don’t do that. This thing is really sad. This man was a great general, a great leader, and for his career to come to an end because of a private matter that affects his family and him and evidently doesn’t have national security concerns. I don’t know how you unravel it, but I wish we could.”

      For me, once it was determined that there was no breach to national security, he should not have felt the need to resign, unless, it was necessary to save his marriage. That’s only IF that’s what he and his wife decided was the only thing to fix it. If not, then he should have felt that his f’d up personal life has caused him and his family undo embarrassment, no more than that, imo.

      • November 11, 2012 at 3:52 pm

        “For me, once it was determined that there was no breach to national security, he should not have felt the need to resign, unless, it was necessary to save his marriage. That’s only IF that’s what he and his wife decided was the only thing to fix it. If not, then he should have felt that his f’d up personal life has caused him and his family undo embarrassment, no more than that, imo.”

        Ditto

      • 319 prettyfoot58
        November 11, 2012 at 4:13 pm

        How can you trust a man who is not faithful to his wife…

        • 320 cookemom
          November 11, 2012 at 4:32 pm

          It’s not my business what a public figure does in their private life. If I trust that they can do the job they are paid to do, then I don’t worry myself about their personal life. Why should someone be fired, or feel the need to resign because of a personal issue? We have checks and balances in place to determine if there are any breaches. Once it was determined there were none, then we should butt out. Who should care, other than the families involved? I don’t. What’s this have to do with our trust in the person with a proven record of unquestionable service? All this shows is that if you’re gonna mess around, you can’t be messing around with crazy, jealous folks who will see you fail, rather than to accept their position. I’m surprised she didn’t call the wife to complain that he was cheating on both of them.

          • 321 prettyfoot58
            November 11, 2012 at 4:41 pm

            it is a matter of honor,,,but it is interesting that the pundits who have said that he should not have resigned have no regard for the broken vow and fealty to his wife…that it is not a parameter to measure the man….

            • 322 cookemom
              November 11, 2012 at 5:00 pm

              The issue is between him and his wife…the two of them, not us, not the pundits, and not even the other women in this whole thing. Only he can define what his honor and his vows mean to him. He decided that resigning was necessary to work on his marriage. I appreciate that and respect it. Had he decided that he didn’t need to resign for having an affair or two or three, I’d be OK with that as well. His failure in his personal life did not impact his ability to do the yeoman’s work he was assigned to do. Far be it from me to care what he does with his appendages.

        • 326 hopefruit2
          November 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm

          All men are tempted to cheat. Many succumb. Few prevail. :(

      • November 11, 2012 at 4:14 pm

        I read that PBO did not at first want to accept his resignation, and Petraeus convinced him he needed it to work on his marriage. I thought PBO’s announcement was very dignified and compassionate.

      • 335 nathkatun7
        November 11, 2012 at 10:14 pm

        Cookemom, I wholeheartedly agree with you and Professor Kearns Goodwin.

  75. 336 cookemom
    November 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Good Afternoon all you O’s!!!! It sure is a great getting up WINDY Sunday in the Windy City part of TODville. I feel like I’m still relishing in the afterglow of the election. It’s kinda of like giving birth after 9 months of pregnancy. The first trimester, with all the excitement of just how important and different things will be. The second trimester, where you and everyone involved get on board and start the process of preparation for the big event. The third trimester where the anticipation brings out the ‘what if’ nerves as well as the ‘can’t wait’ glee. Then it happens and there’s this bundle of joy that you are responsible for bringing into the world, and for making sure it grows into a responsible citizen, and a compassionate human being. That’s what we did, this is the birth of an era that will continue to need our encouragement and diligence to see that it lasts well into the future.

    BTW, hands down, SKYPE is the very most wonderful thing in the world.

  76. 337 FoxfireTX
    November 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Hey everyone! I’ve been checking in occasionally but mostly just floating the last couple of days. Rewatched PBO’s last IA rally, his Tuesday night speech and of course his meeting with campaign staff on Wed. Then I made the mistake of taping the Sunday shows which I have not watched in a long time. WOW! It took me less than 5 minutes to remember why I stopped watching these idiots. I know PBO needs some down time but I sure hope he gets into campaign mode again soon for his positions because it is clear he will be fighting the MSM and the Repubs again the whole way. Just heard Linsay Graham say he will never vote to approve Susan Rice for SOS because of Behghazi. This of course before she is nominated, and despite the fact she had nothing to do with Benghazi other than being the messenger. She is not at State or the CIA or part of the military. It’s clear he is going to have to get his message out around these sources. But it was hysterical to hear Chuckie Cheese say that anyone could have looked at the numbers going back to September and seen that PBO was going to win????? Wait, isn’t this the same Chuckie Cheese who pushed the Mittmentum all through October and wouldn’t let it go? The way they rewrite history is mind boggling.

    I must admit I’ve loved reading all the things about just how bad the Romney campaign was behind the scenes. And I am convinced that Queen Ann wanted this even more her husband. Too bad she’ll be measuring drapes for their LaJolla home rather than the WH:-)

    I was one of thoe in 2008 who pretty much droppd off the map after the election from sheer exhaustion. This time I am ready to keep fighting and hope most everyone hangs in there. He’s going to need our engagement to get everything done that he wants to accomplish. So, Chips, thank you once again for giving us all a place to call home while we continue the fight.

  77. 338 cookemom
    November 11, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    New Orleans Saints beat the Atlanta Falcons, the only remaining undefeated team in the NFL.

  78. 340 prettyfoot58
    November 11, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    ,,,The “birther” challenge, which galvanized so many Republican voters, expresses a deep unease with black claims to political inclusion and leadership that can be traced as far back as the 1860s. Then, white Southerners (and a fair share of white Northerners) questioned the legitimacy of black suffrage, viciously lampooned the behavior of new black officeholders and mobilized to murder and drive off local black leaders.

    ,,,By the early 20th century the message was clear: black people did not belong in American political society and had no business wielding power over white people. This attitude has died hard. It is not, in fact, dead. Despite the achievements of the civil rights movement, African-Americans have seldom been elected to office from white-majority districts; only three, including Mr. Obama, have been elected to the United States Senate since Reconstruction, and they have been from either Illinois or Massachusetts.

    But the coordinated efforts across the country to intimidate and suppress the votes of racial and ethnic minorities are far more consequential. Hostile officials regularly deploy the language of “fraud” and “corruption” to justify their efforts much as their counterparts at the end of the 19th century did to fully disenfranchise black voters.

    Although our present-day tactics are state-issued IDs, state-mandated harassment of immigrants and voter-roll purges, these are not a far cry from the poll taxes, literacy tests, residency requirements and discretionary power of local registrars that composed the political racism of a century ago. That’s not even counting the hours-long lines many minority voters confronted.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/political-racism-in-the-age-of-obama.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

    ***********************************************************

    These are the deep seated issues that we must struggle against…..

    how do we move Forward>>>>>and can these forces be laid to rest…..

    One of the things that struck me about this article is that it has only been 150 years since black men got the right to vote…..that it took a constitutional amendment to grant then that right….something that should have been granted because of their birth…. and that Our President the most powerful man in the world had to show his birth certificate….because there are elements that refuse to accept that Black People are citizens and that this is their/our country too…..

    Forward>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    • November 11, 2012 at 4:25 pm

      That birth certificate thing is a crime that will never be forgiven. It was so hurtful and hateful. And those who denied the racism even in the face of that awful event, even after the “beer summit” and every other insult, will always bear that shame. Always.

    • 342 susanne
      November 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm

      and black women’s right to vote wasn’t legitimized in the united states until 1920 (along with the rest of the women).

      • 343 cookemom
        November 11, 2012 at 5:10 pm

        and once women got the right to vote in 1920, black women and black men were still poll tested and still denied the right until the civil rights voting act. White women joined white men in the right to vote with the passage of the 19th amendment.

        • 344 susanne
          November 11, 2012 at 5:54 pm

          long, painful fights–all of them. our vote is our sacred duty, in honor of all those who gave so much for us to exercise our right!

  79. 345 forus50
    November 11, 2012 at 4:12 pm
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    • 349 susanne
      November 11, 2012 at 4:32 pm

      gawd, yes! isn’t that already part of their license? the public good, or words to that effect?

      • 350 Nena20409
        November 11, 2012 at 4:42 pm

        Nope. That is why a Fox FL affiliation was able to win a law suit that Lying was OKAY by a News station….another wrong ruling…..for the station is not Constitutionally obligated…..due to Speech to inform the public.


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