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Burma & Cambodia – Schedule

A market in Rangoon, Burma, November 18

Monday (in Asia!):

ICT (12 hours ahead of US EST):

9:0 AM: The President departs Bangkok, Thailand en route Rangoon, Burma

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MMT (11.5 hours ahead of US EST):

9:40 AM: Arrives Rangoon, Burma

10:25 AM: Meets with President Thein Sein of Burma

12:05 PM: Meets with Aung San Suu Kyi

12:35 PM: The President and Aung San Suu Kyi deliver remarks

1:05 PM: The President meets and greets with United States Embassy personnel

2:15 PM: Delivers remarks at the University of Yangon

3:20 PM: Departs Rangoon, Burma en route Phnom Penh, Cambodia

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ICT (12 hours ahead of US EST):

5:40 PM Arrives Phnom Penh, Cambodia

6:05 PM: Meets with Prime Minister Han Sen of Cambodia

6:35 PM: Attends the ASEAN-U.S. leaders meeting

8:30 PM: Arrives at Diamond Island Convention Center for the East Asia Summit Dinner

Details here

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Tuesday: The President will remain in Cambodia for the East Asia Summit. In the evening, he will depart en route Washington, DC.

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AP: The soldiers began to shoot students at Rangoon University at 6:30pm. Hla Shwe watched, cowering in a nearby building, as his friends died. “I heard the shouting,” he recalled. “They shot whoever they saw.”

It was July 7, 1962, the day rage at the military’s recent coup boiled over and a date now seared into the memory of Hla Shwe, who is 75 years old.

“I got the idea that if they used the gun against students, why shouldn’t we use guns to fight them?” he said.

When President Barack Obama speaks at Hla Shwe’s alma mater Monday, he will be treading on ground heavy with political and historical significance….

… “Obama knows very well about the history of Yangon University, I think. This is an enemy place for the authorities,” said Hla Shwe, who fought with Communist insurgents and spent 25 years as a political prisoner. “The American government is trying to show in a delicate way that they are not only working for the government but will also take care of the Burmese people.”

More here


203 Responses to “Burma & Cambodia – Schedule”


  1. 8 ourmanflint
    November 18, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    hi chips welcome back

      • 10 nathkatun7
        November 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm

        Chips, I hope your ankle is feeling much better. You never missed a step in the volume of your posts. You must be a very tough cookie when it comes to dealing with pain. As always, I came here late, but I thoroughly enjoyed the pics and the coverage of the President’s visit to Thailand. Take good care.

  2. November 18, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Congrats libra!! Love the T-shirts, Chips!!!!

    #FORWARD

    • 12 vitaminlover
      November 18, 2012 at 6:33 pm

      Yes indeed, Romney blew all of that money like he messed up Massachussetts.

    • 13 pkayden
      November 18, 2012 at 7:06 pm

      Unfortunately, it’s probably like throwing a few pennies in a wishing well to them. Wish they’d lost so much that it hurt them a little.

      • November 18, 2012 at 7:14 pm

        Oh, it may not be ‘that much money’ to them, but I assure you it put a big gaping hole in their agenda and you know they are not happy campers these days. 4 years of President Obama unencumbered by ever running for office again probably has them in a tizzy. :)

    • 15 nathkatun7
      November 18, 2012 at 7:43 pm

      Bob, re-electing President Obama was my number one goal. The fact that we were able to re-elect the President despite the massive money poured into the election by billionaires like Koch and Adelson, made the victory even more gratifying. We the people were able to defeat the plutocrats.

      • November 18, 2012 at 8:37 pm

        “We the people were able to defeat the plutocrats.”

        Yes We Did!

      • 17 jacquelineoboomer
        November 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm

        … and despite the massive attempts at voter suppression! I’m even happier that we beat that out, in most regards, and have four years to fix it. Plus, we’re all even more fired up to fight back immediately, when we see things going off the track due to the Rs. Yeehaw!

  3. 18 ourmanflint
    November 18, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    great meaning conveyed on the T-shirts

  4. 19 GGail
    November 18, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Thanks Chipsticks for the coverage – it’s EXCELLENT!!

  5. 39 Carol
    November 18, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Are the networks covering the trip?

  6. November 18, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Here’s the WH video of today’s press conference:

  7. November 18, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    I was 15 in 1962 and remember the news reports of the killing of the students at Rangoon University. It is stunning that President Obama will stand in that auditorium in a few hours. But, the event that seems even more surreal is “5:40 PM Arrives Phnom Penh, Cambodia” – not only that he is the 1st US President to visit Cambodia but that it’s actually happening. The ‘Pearl of Asia’ rises from the horrors of Pol Pot & the Khmer Rouge enclave. Just amazing!

    #FORWARD In_DEED!

    • November 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm

      What a poignant venue for his speech tomorrow, Bob, such a thoughtful and powerfully symbolic choice – “Obama knows very well about the history of Yangon University”.

    • 46 GGail
      November 18, 2012 at 6:49 pm

      You know Bobfr, I was just thinking of the somber implications of this trip for President Obama and the World and it’s got me in quiet reflection at the impact it will leave us all.This trip is so important on so many levels.

      God bless President Obama

      • November 18, 2012 at 6:57 pm

        Yes, Gail. Through the 60s & 70s, I never imagined any US President would journey to Burma or Cambodia, however I am not surprised that it is Barack Obama making the journey for all of us. So much healing needs to be done and he is doing so very much of it, for all of us.

        #FORWARD

        • 48 theo67
          November 18, 2012 at 7:04 pm

          President Obama takes the bull by the horns, and he doesn’t shy away from these very thorny issues. I was impressed when he stepped into Cairo and told the world that the US is not at war with the Muslim world, and then told them to seek democracy (which they did). Now, he goes into this land where no other US President has ever ventured, and plans to deliver a speech in such a significant spot, including a discussion on human rights. He just continues to impress me.

        • 49 GGail
          November 18, 2012 at 7:04 pm

          I remember in History class that we had to do a report on an Asian country and I choose Burma. I at this age, still remember my report of their injustices and I’ve subconsciously have followed their march towards today and I’m so proud that President Barack Obama will be the first American president to recognize their progress towards democracy.

        • 50 Bill
          November 18, 2012 at 7:05 pm

          Romney has no curiosity about the world or history. President Obama is consumed with curiosity about everything.

          • November 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm

            So, so true Bill. Bush and Romney (and most of the GOP) share that same incuriosity about the world. And, of course, Sarah Palin is their mentor.,

        • 52 sabreen60
          November 18, 2012 at 8:00 pm

          Bob, I’m a couple years or so younger than you and I don’t remember Burma. But I very much remember Vietnam and had a friend who was drafted and killed by stepping on a landmine. Being a native Washingtonian and now living outside of DC, I have seen the Vietnam memorial more times then I care to remember. It literally takes your breath away when you see those 58,000 American names carved into the wall. The death and destruction to the Vietnamese people is unfathomable.

    • 53 FoxfireTX
      November 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm

      I’m just a few years younger than you Bob I don’t remember the Burma massacre but do have the same sense of “this is surreal” with respect to Cambodia. My boyfriend in high school was a couple of years older than me and was drafted. While he was overseas I was marching to end the war. There are days when it is mind boggping when we think back to all of the changes in our lifetimes, although I suspect every generation feels the same way. My daughter thought it was hysterically funny when I explained to her what carbon paper was, and how impressed we were when someone came in with a paper done on a Selectric typewriter that had justified margins:-)

    • 54 mtmarilyn
      November 18, 2012 at 6:55 pm

      I so agree Bob. I also remember the shooting and when the monks were setting themselves on fire. All those names are embedded in my heart and all my Vietnam Vet friends. My husband was sent to Korea. I have so many close friends who are vets and are really having a hard time with PTSD, the older they get the stronger the reaction. The names of Pol Pot and Phnom Penh are not names I associate with places I want to go to. This is why my heart aches for all these young men and the multiple tours. We have no idea what we are doing to them in their later years. They are always in my heart and prayers.

    • 55 nathkatun7
      November 18, 2012 at 8:31 pm

      Bobfr, in July of 1962 I was slightly older than you — three months before my 17th birthday — and I too remember the massacre of students at Rangoon University. 1962, the year of the Cuban Missile crisis, was one of those memorable and scary years when it seemed like the world was on the brink of catastrophe. With respect to Cambodia I am surprised to learn that President Obama will be the first U.S. President to visit the country. For me, I became aware of Cambodia after President Nixon decided to unless massive bombing of Cambodia, in 1970. I was a senior in college and I distinctly remember the massive protests rallies across the country demanding an end to the bombing of Cambodia. I was, of course, a grown man and working, during the time of one of the 20th century’s most horrific genocides– during Pol Pot regime, when, for the most part, the U.S. government and the UN did nothing, or very little, on behalf of Cambodian people. I am very happy to see the President go to Cambodia.

      • 56 HZ
        November 18, 2012 at 9:32 pm

        Nath and Bobfr, we all have so many memories of this very distinct moments in history, and to now see an American President actually be there on this visit is so amazing. I do believe that this time was made for our president.

        My friends say that their experience centered around this trip alongside so many of the moments that we are seeing and hearing about POB’s trip is as beautiful as we are expressing in our minds here as we share. I will leave it there because of the position of my brother and friends who have so much to do and be watching history in the making, is just pure joy and an honor.

        We keep holding POB and SOS Clinton and the traveling team of the administration up with positive and beautiful healing thoughts.

        I recall my brother and the other guest taking me out for Pho’ the evening before their departure and hearing all of the history and seeing these young people so elated about what they were about to embark upon was just so sweet and amazing.

        I am feasting on Pho’Soup for the duration along with another dish that one friend prepared in my home while having our beautiful visit.

        I also mixed our beautiful visit with my version of the celebration of the “Festival of Lights” as we did our celebration of Diwali one day. Oh, the joy of being with a diverse group of beautiful human beings and sharing in your own home is such a delight. The colours, the food, and even the shopping. And never orget the sweets. It all lifted my spirit to a level that needed to rise in pure delight for the beauty of the soul as I found out that in making Pho’, it is the broth of the bowl of soup that makes it great eating along with the rice noodles. What a joy to be enjoying our lives and also having a president who shares so much with all of us to bring us closer together in sharing with each other as ‘world citizens’ for all to behold and learn.

        We love you, Mr. President, and yes we know that you truly beleve in prayer and respect for others faith and private spiritual life in this world. We are blessed to have such a leader as our POTUS.HZ

        • 57 GGail
          November 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm

          HZ, I LOVE Pho! It tastes so good sliding down my throat that I eat bowls of it in a flash! I’m glad to know someone else who appreciates it!

      • November 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm

        Nath, Bob, I was 18 in 1962 and felt the terror of the Cuban missile crisis and then the continual news of massacres in places whose names were very exotic and remote to me. I, too, remember the self-immolation of the monks and the sense of horror and awe and incomprehension of that kind of sacrifice. The sixties were a terrible decade of war and terror and fear and and brutal assassinations. Vietnam kept growing as a great national nightmare and so many lives were lost for reasons no one could adequately explain. So much change and so many cataclysmic world events occurred in that decade that it changed all of us and ripped the US out of its post-war complacency. And. yes. MT Marilyn, for today’s young people, those were very primitive times and our tools of communication seem like cavemen cutting stones to our children and grandchildren. Though PBO was a child in those days, he is a student of history. He knows our past and has learned from it, which is why he is so brilliant at shaping the present. He is light years ahead of any political person of our time. It takes a good president to positively change the country during his time in office; it takes a great one to leave that positive imprint on the world.

  8. 59 FoxfireTX
    November 18, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Final count in the House, 201-238. At least we made it over the 200 mark!

    • 60 Vicki Green
      November 18, 2012 at 7:20 pm

      201-234 Total 435

      • 61 theo67
        November 18, 2012 at 7:29 pm

        So, that means any left leaning bill would only need 17 Republicans to vote with the Democrats to get stuff done? Then the only encumbrance is getting stuff onto the floor, on the agenda. This is great!

        • November 18, 2012 at 7:42 pm

          Yep. And, many of those Rs know that we are not going to give them any hope of re-election in 2014 if they don’t side with Nancy Pelosi and force Boehner to bring legislation to a vote that can pass and demonstrate to the American people that the middle class is their focus. It’s just a matter of which Rs we put the resources to defeat to regain the House and it’s going to be really easy to make that list based on their legislative record.

        • November 18, 2012 at 7:56 pm

          It would have to be a centrist/moderate bill. No repub wants to support a left leaning anything.

          • 64 theo67
            November 18, 2012 at 8:22 pm

            Well, most of the bills brought forward by the Democrats have been originally sponsored by some Republicans, so hopefully, some of them can figure it out.

          • 65 jackiegrumbacher
            November 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm

            GoB, centrist/moderate would be a big step to the left for the current Congress. If the new Congress were even reasonable and stopped opposing everything, repealing health care repeatedly, renaming post offices endlessly, and offending women on a daily basis, we would all be ahead of the game. Maybe the greater number of female House reps will keep some of this idiocy in line. We have to hope so.

      • 66 utaustinliberal
        November 18, 2012 at 7:42 pm

        Wow…..Nancy Pelosi delivered.

  9. 69 Vicki Green
    November 18, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Like Bobfr I remember much of this sad history and am so glad to see the progress and healing going on now.
    “Beyond Rangoon” starring Patricia Arquette was a not bad H’Wood movie about the collapse of law and order and decency in what is now called Yangon. If it plays on TV in the near future people newly interested in this part of the world might find it worthwhile.

    In other news: Two different groups in my neighborhood have announced meetings to promote the going forward agenda. If the GOP is counting on Dems going back to sleep for the 2014 elections they will once again be rudely awakened by reality.

    And finally, I love PBO his family his administration TOD and everyone who is working for a better country and world for 100% of us.

    • 70 jackiegrumbacher
      November 18, 2012 at 9:44 pm

      Great news about your neighborhood. I found a similar desire to keep working in our progressive meeting this week. In 2008, everyone thought their job was done and were happy to go back to cocooning. Not this time, I was glad to see. We all felt we had to be on guard and keep fighting to make sure our efforts paid off.

  10. 71 Allison
    November 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    David Plouffe is on C-Span talking about the election.

    • 72 utaustinliberal
      November 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm

      Thanks for this. I didn’t catch it from the beginning, but as soon as it ends on TV, I’m going on C-SPAN to watch the entire program. So freaking glad David Plouffe is on our side.

  11. 73 lamh36
    November 18, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Wow. The Grinch Who Stole Christmas is on TBS right now. Damn, they don’t even wait until after Thanksgiving anymore. Early or not, I’m watching it now…lol. I love that movie.

  12. 75 hopefruit2
    November 18, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    So we actually get to see PBO’s arrival (hopefully) in Burma because it will be around 9:30 this evening. :)

    • 76 prettyfoot58
      November 18, 2012 at 7:49 pm

      I misse seeing PBO daily….sometimes more can once a day…the campaign spoiled me…..

      • 77 anniebella
        November 18, 2012 at 9:52 pm

        I agree with you prettyfoot58, I also miss VP Biden and First Lady Michelle. The last time I have seen the First Lady was on election night. I guess she has taken afew days off because she work her butt off for her husband re-election and I was so proud of her. I am so glad we have four more years of such a wonderful First Lady.

  13. 79 dotster3
    November 18, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Wise words from Bill Clinton at DePauw U., my youngest daughter’s alma mater. He was there with DePauw grad and friend, Vernon Jordan.

  14. November 18, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    What ho, good peeps?

    Thursday will be a momentous day at Casa de LL. We are conducting our first ever Thanksgiving! Usually we go to mother’s house, or fly to Indiana for wife’s family. But both of my brothers are going to their inlaws, so it’s just me, wife, and mother. And then I realized that 3 of our very good friends have no family in town, so they might be coming. We have pre-seasoned turkey, ham, and various side dishes. I feel like such an adult!

  15. November 18, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Vice President Joe Biden joked Sunday that he told President Obama on election night that he wants to take a trip to Ireland, who said he’d like to join in.

    “I turned to him I said, ‘Barack, now that this election’s over, I’m going to Ireland,'” Biden said at Hudson Tavern, a pub owned by deputy national security adviser John Brennan’s brother Tom, in Hoboken, N.J.

    “You know what he said to me? He said, ‘Would you take me with you? I want to play golf.’ I said I’m not so sure. But I’m going. I’m going to see where my mother is from and my mother’s father and my mother’s mother.”

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11/biden-says-he-wants-to-go-to-ireland-obama-jokes-hell-149892.html

    Wooooooot! :-)

  16. November 18, 2012 at 7:53 pm
  17. 98 dotster3
    November 18, 2012 at 7:55 pm
  18. 107 magapie
    November 18, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    I’m sure you folks have hashed this already, but on willard’s recorded conference call he also whined about the primary debates and OF COURSE the evil media for reporting that those refuggg idiots are idiots. There were too damn many of those asinine debates, but with willard anything that involves answering questions or explaining one’s plans, well………………

    • 108 susanne
      November 18, 2012 at 9:18 pm

      yes–that was interesting. he’s basically saying the primary process provided voters with too much information about the candidates. can’t have that!

  19. 109 prettyfoot58
    November 18, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    When you call for the annihillation of a People…that is Genocide….

    With the elimination of a murderous terrorist and the destruction of Hamas’s long-range missile stockpile, the operation was off to an auspicious start, but what now? This must not be allowed to end as did Operation Cast Lead: We bomb them, they fire missiles at us, and then a cease-fire, followed by “showers” – namely sporadic missile fire and isolated incidents along the fence. Life under such a rain of death is no life at all, and we cannot allow ourselves to become resigned to it.

    THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.

    We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too…..

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=292466

    • November 18, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      This is where I am.

      I remember watching the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. At the time I thought it was a just cause. In some respects I still do. I still believe that after the history the Jews have lived through, they deserve a national homeland.

      But do they deserve a uniquely Jewish state? At the expense of an indigenous population that had nothing to do with their oppression and genocide in Europe?

      I believe that the two-state solution is dead, killed both by the Israeli right wing and militants like Hamas. Neither wanted peaceful coexistence, due to religion and ideology.

      I think it’s time for a radical idea: a one-state solution, where both Jews and Palestinians have a national homeland, but share the governance of that homeland. The land is too small to have two discrete national states. Jews won’t be accepted as a legitimate part of an Arab oikumene; Palestinians won’t be allowed to be autonomous enough to be a true nation. The basic law of such a state will have to recognize the historical claims of both peoples to the land, and create a political system which won’t devolve to the oppression of either group.

      Right now it’s the only solution left. Even if the Left takes over in the January elections, the well has been poisoned. A radical idea for peace is the only chance to avoid the Armageddon that the Israeli right, Hamas, and Christian evangelicals yearn for.

      • 111 theo67
        November 18, 2012 at 8:20 pm

        I don’t think the hate that has been fostered for “the other” among some in that region will allow for a one-state solution. I think they need a border between them. I also don’t think that the Jerusalem question would be resolved so easily. I think if we’d seen a halt to the settlements, we might have seen both parties at the table for serious discussions, but the day that Netanyahu permitted continued settlements, while saying from the other side of his mouth that he wanted to sit down and talk peace, was the day the peace talks died.

        This is a very valid question: “But do they deserve a uniquely Jewish state? At the expense of an indigenous population that had nothing to do with their oppression and genocide in Europe?” – and it might be too late to ask it.

        • November 18, 2012 at 8:22 pm

          If there’s one thing that keeps me up at night, it’s the Jewish-Arab conflict. It’s really the only thing that has the potential for Armageddon.

        • November 18, 2012 at 8:25 pm

          And I agree, the one-state solution is an impossibility. But, in my opinion, so is the two-state solution. Unless, unless, the right is defeated decisively in the next election. But that might lead to a Jewish civil war, which also happened during the Jewish War of 66-70 AD, where Jews fought each other as well as the Romans. God, what a fucking mess.

          • 115 theo67
            November 18, 2012 at 8:29 pm

            This can’t be about religion. I think the parties have forgotten why they’re fighting. And they just want to “win”, whatever that means at this point. Neither side can look at the pictures of dead babies and declare that they are winning or even defending anything worthwhile.

            • November 18, 2012 at 8:33 pm

              I remember when Yitzak Rabin was assassinated. It truly felt like a path to peace was shut off decisively. Shimon Peres, for all his good traits, is not a strong leader. The vacuum would be filled, disgustingly enough, by those who called for his head. I even remember where I was: at my mother’s house. And the first call I made was to my girlfriend at the time, who was Jewish. She started to cry on the phone.

              • 117 theo67
                November 18, 2012 at 8:36 pm

                I have to admit, I don’t know enough about this region, and a lot of the battle just perplexes me, because it seems so irrational. I’m sure the Irish felt the same when they had the battles between North and South – and that’s what gives me hope.

                • November 18, 2012 at 8:40 pm

                  Theo, I could never see an end to the trouble in Ireland, so that’s something hopeful to cling to, but this situation just seems utterly ‘unfixable’, it’s so hard to ever see an end to it.

                • November 18, 2012 at 8:41 pm

                  As I intimated, I’ve followed the region since I was a wee lad. First as a secular Zionist, then becoming disenchanted, and now heartsick at the death and destruction.

                  As difficult as the Irish situation was, it was gravy compared to this. You have two groups whose religions say that the land is sacred, to the exclusion of anyone else.

                  The only hope is that the secular Israelis say “enough”, and come out in strong enough numbers to shut down the Right. Tel Aviv getting rocketed may be enough for that to happen.

                  • 121 theo67
                    November 18, 2012 at 8:43 pm

                    Thanks for some of the additional background, LL.

                  • November 18, 2012 at 8:45 pm

                    “As difficult as the Irish situation was, it was gravy compared to this”

                    Can’t disagree, even though I used to think they were similar.

                  • 125 utaustinliberal
                    November 18, 2012 at 9:06 pm

                    Regarding the one-state solution, I think that’s a little bit naive in that you cannot put these two warring factions together. You cannot expect them to share the same land without a border. You cannot expect them to have the same governing power. It will ultimately lead to more chaos and catastrophe. If a one state solution occurs, who becomes the ruling body? Who controls the elections? Who writes the laws? Who comes up with a new constitution? If one sides wins overwhelmingly in an election, the other side will cry foul. What will the new government look like? What guarantees that both sides will have equal representation? Endless questions abound.

                    It has to be a two state solution with borders that divide both sides and with laws that allow both sides to form their own government and have a democracy chosen by their own people and be recognized as individual states with rights. A one-state solution blurs the lines and does a disservice to the Israelis and Palestinians who deserve a government working for them and recognizing them as people and not just part of the masses.

                    • November 18, 2012 at 9:12 pm

                      I think the thing is there is no easy answer. If Rabin hadn’t been assassinated, we would probably be at a two-state solution right now. But powerful forces on both sides want a solution where they win and the other side is eliminated. Is the one state solution naive? Perhaps. But as it currently stands we have people in power who want no solution except absolute victory, whatever that means. It’s quite a cock-up.

                    • November 18, 2012 at 9:16 pm

                      Have to agree with that UT, both ‘sides’ deserve their own homeland, and they simply cannot live together – it must be a two state solution.

                    • November 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm

                      Agree, UT. It is either a 2 State solution soon or, for Israel, given its demographics, the situation will either be apartheid or a non-Jewish State. Many folk forget the scale and rate of increase in Arab Israeli citizens, who currently have the right to Vote, that would only be exacerbated by any notion of a shared democratic Nation with Palestinians as enfranchised citizens.

                      My hope is that, because of the exceptional bonds between President Obama and President Peres, and Livni’s astute politics, that President Peres can be persuaded to accept her proposal of a coalition to defeat Netanyahu/Likud in January, 2013.

      • 129 prettyfoot58
        November 18, 2012 at 11:09 pm

        you speak wise words…LL….but who would guarantee the rights of either…and could they really live in peace side by side in the same nation..with both having a stake..or would those in power turn the country into a jim crow/apartheid kind of governance

    • 130 theo67
      November 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm

      I can only shake my head at this vile speech. I wouldn’t want to belong to a group that condones this kind of language. As Benjamin Franklins said, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”.

      • 131 FoxfireTX
        November 18, 2012 at 8:25 pm

        I do not have a good feeling about any part of the Middle East at this point in time. All of the leaders there seem so determined to escalate to claim their positions that the thought of any negotiated peace seems farfetched. And of course Iran sits there in the middle feeding weapons around the region. I fear we are going to see many lives lost in the next year.

  20. November 18, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Tomorrow –

    2:30: Michelle Obama speaks about the importance of after-school and out-of-school arts and humanities education.

    • 133 susanne
      November 18, 2012 at 9:21 pm

      excellent! i was hoping she’d expand her portfolio, and curious to see what she’d take up next. arts education is a winner!

    • 136 CEB
      November 19, 2012 at 5:20 am

      This is great; it is one of the things that I have long believed in and spoke about in my school. The benefits of this type of education enriches lives, makes better citizens, and helps with test scores (the only thing that my state cares about). I am totally onboard for this.

  21. 137 dotster3
    November 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm
  22. 138 utaustinliberal
    November 18, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    If you haven’t seen any of Chuck Grassley’s tweets on twitter, WHERE THE HECK HAVE YOU BEEN? Chuck Grassley is the reason Twitter was invented. :D

  23. November 18, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Totally guy comment: Faith Hill is HAWT. That is all.

  24. November 18, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Super brainy heads? Do the times in this schedule – ie converted in to US EST – look right?

    Sunday

    9:0 PM: The President departs Bangkok, Thailand en route Rangoon, Burma

    ****

    10:10 PM: Arrives Rangoon, Burma

    10:55 PM: Meets with President Thein Sein of Burma

    Monday

    12:35 AM: Meets with Aung San Suu Kyi

    1:05 AM: The President and Aung San Suu Kyi deliver remarks

    1:35 AM: The President meets and greets with United States Embassy personnel

    2:45 AM: Delivers remarks at the University of Yangon

    3:50 AM: Departs Rangoon, Burma en route Phnom Penh, Cambodia

    ****

    5:40 AM Arrives Phnom Penh, Cambodia

    6:05 AM: Meets with Prime Minister Han Sen of Cambodia

    6:35 AM: Attends the ASEAN-U.S. leaders meeting

    8:30 AM: Arrives at Diamond Island Convention Center for the East Asia Summit Dinner

  25. 155 Melissa
    November 18, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    I’m having such a hard time with the Gaza conflict. Any comment is somewhat misconstrued as condemnation / support of either side by proponents / critics of both sides… It is such a mess. I hope for peace but the damages have been so grand, the bitterness and outright hate so entrenched, it’s hard to see how it’s going to come about…. Can the U.S still be an honest broker for peace?

    • 156 theo67
      November 18, 2012 at 8:51 pm

      I think people WANT to trust President Obama in this Gaza business, so that’s what will help broker a deal. Things may look bleak, but I think he’s holding both sides together behind the scenes.

      • November 18, 2012 at 8:52 pm

        Oh, I’m sure that every spare moment he has from this trip is spent in telling both Netanyahu and Hamas to settle this shit NOW.

        Here’s another radical proposition: Just as only Nixon could have gone to China, only a re-elected Democratic President could tell Israel, “You’re on your own.”

        • 158 theo67
          November 18, 2012 at 8:54 pm

          I just can’t see him doing that, though. Not with the Arab nations going through transition. It would be too combustible.

    • November 18, 2012 at 8:53 pm

      “Can the U.S still be an honest broker for peace?”

      I honestly don’t think so Melissa, much as I would give anything for PBO to help achieve some kind of peace there in his second term, which would be the greatest of all legacies, the US is just too closely associated with Israel for there to be any real trust from Palestinians and the Arab community generally in the region. I’m not sure who can be an honest broker there – it sure as hell won’t be Tony Blair – but I just believe the best thing the US can do is step back and stop blindly supporting Israel, no matter what they do.

      • 160 Melissa
        November 18, 2012 at 9:01 pm

        I agree with you 100% Chips. Which is what depresses me. Anytime PBO has uttered even a minimal criticism of Israel, he’s been excoriated in the press and Congress, including his own Democratic members. He gets no allies in that venue. Sad state of affairs indeed.

      • 161 theo67
        November 18, 2012 at 9:03 pm

        Maybe the Arab nations in the region can do the job? The President started these peace talks by bringing in Jordan and Egypt to help negotiate, and he’s said before that he believes that Arab countries need to play an active role in managing the few extremists who give the region a bad name. I think he probably knew that there would be limitations to his ability to act freely, and that the Palestinians needed the additional support of other Arabs in the area to help get them a just conclusion and to also help manage Hamas. I read something on twitter earlier today that President Obama is working behind the scenes with regional players to help negotiate this current crisis.

        • 162 Melissa
          November 18, 2012 at 9:12 pm

          The Arab nations will definitely need to play a big role. Unfortunately, there’s just too much distrust of the U.S in that region for it to be effective. Arab League (and others) will have to bring Hama to reason, and western powers do the same with Bibi. Gee, ask for the moon, why don’t we, eh?

        • November 18, 2012 at 9:12 pm

          “Maybe the Arab nations in the region can do the job?”

          I hope so Theo, but I always sense there’s endless hypocrisy from many of the Arab nations about the Palestinian issue – not least in the way so many of them have treated their Palestinian refugees over the years, while at the same time condemning Israel for its treatment of the same people. I suspect having this issue remain a festering sore suits the interests of the extremists in the region, it’s their rallying call, a lasting peace settlement is their worst nightmare because many of them would be rendered irrelevant by it.

          We can be certain President Obama is working behind the scenes on this, no one would know better that America has to tread lightly here, but how on earth anything can be done while Netanyahu is in power I just don’t know. To me, he’s as big a part of the problem as Hamas.

          • November 18, 2012 at 9:31 pm

            The Israeli Government and IRS People has taken advantage of their History, to manipulate the US and the West.
            What happened to them in the past was dreadful, and what Iran and by Proxy Hamas and Hezbollah wants to do to them is terrible.
            But, this has been going on for thousands of Years, between the Jews and Arabs/Persians.
            Then, 2k years for Christians, all for that one piece of Land Jerusalem.
            Everybody has thought, what we have, and yet, it continues…

            • November 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm

              Hi Jovie, I honestly don’t blame Israel for using its history to win support from the west, particularly America. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the state’s history and what was done to the Palestinians in its creation, the simple reality is that they are now largely surrounded by countries deeply hostile to them, which must leave them living in fear for much of the time – they’re incredibly vulnerable, despite they’re military power. That, for me, doesn’t remotely excuse the treatment of the Palestinian people, but probably explains why creatures like Netanyahu are elected. As long as he’s in power, it’s just impossible to ever see there being peace.

        • 167 utaustinliberal
          November 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm

          I’m with you on the Arab nations in the region line of thinking. They have to step up to the plate and become central players in brokering a peace deal. It is way past time. One president cannot do it alone. This reminds me of the Libya conflict and how Pres. Obama was able to get the other countries in the region and other powerful countries to step up and share responsibility since the outcome would also affect them. The same can be applied here; Arab nations need to stand up and do something.

          p.s. I also believe that a lot is occurring behind the scenes that we are not privy to and I am in a wait and watch mode.

          • November 18, 2012 at 10:18 pm

            I remember that President Clinton worked so hard to broker a deal before he left office and Arafat pissed it away. Once GWB got into office and Arafat wanted the “Clinton” deal, he had to deal with that “war” idiot Bush. What a waste….

        • 169 FoxfireTX
          November 18, 2012 at 9:27 pm

          The problem is that it is not just the Arab-Israeli conflict at this point in time. Israel is firing into Syria as well, Morsi is not strong in Egypt, and I’ve read that Turkey is not happy with PBO because they think the US should have done more to help the Syrian opposition. PBO has worked hard on the Turkey alliance and that now has been damaged as well. At this point, there does not seem to be a player in the region that is strong enough to bring this mess to a conclusion. We have the strongest bargaining position with Israel but that is limited by opinion here in the US and the way we are viewed in the region. And whatever you think of PBO’s drone policy, that has become almost as much of lightning rod as Guantanamo.

      • November 18, 2012 at 9:09 pm

        I’m not well versed on politics in Israel but how hard is it to get Bibi out of office already? Do the Israeli people really want him in power? Do they support these wars?

      • 172 prettyfoot58
        November 18, 2012 at 11:24 pm

        but I just believe the best thing the US can do is step back and stop blindly supporting Israel, no matter what they do.

        THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

  26. 173 dudette9t9
    November 18, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Anybody know of a streaming site for PBO’s departure from Thailand?

  27. November 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Hear the drones and the explosions and the cries …. talk about ‘citizen journalism’ in the age of Twitter, well, here it is ….

    http://audioboo.fm/boos/1066486

    • 176 CEB
      November 19, 2012 at 5:29 am

      That photo of PBO and SOS preparing to board AF1 on the way to an historic visit to a country in which careful sustained diplomacy (skillfully brokered by Hillary in the past few years) has brought them on the road to a recognition of human rights and democracy, fills me with so many emotions and thoughts that I can barely express. This is huge on so many levels. My heart is full with awe and thanksgiving and tears are in my eyes. We do, indeed, live in interesting times.

  28. November 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    And now for a regularly scheduled moment of cuteness:

    photo/1

    • 178 vcprezofan2
      November 18, 2012 at 10:25 pm

      :lol: Cute, thanks, Meta. There are so, so many little Americans who will grow up to discover they had their own personal, and often special, documented moment with the greatest president in their life time. Lucky little rascals!

  29. 179 utaustinliberal
    November 18, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    When they say no matter where Pres. Obama is; be it land, air, or sea, that he can communicate with anyone in the world, they really mean it.

  30. 180 vcprezofan2
    November 18, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    By now the Dream Team leader and SOS are on their way, I’d guess.

  31. 182 dudette9t9
    November 18, 2012 at 9:21 pm
  32. 186 dudette9t9
    November 18, 2012 at 9:28 pm
  33. 188 utaustinliberal
    November 18, 2012 at 9:31 pm
  34. November 18, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    We went to all the trouble of figuring out the time zones but I don’t think anybody’s broadcasting it…..

    • 191 jacquelineoboomer
      November 18, 2012 at 9:50 pm

      Didn’t watch much TV today, but maybe an hour off and on of CNN early evening and saw NO MENTION of PBO’s trip, even when ol’ Don Lemon was reporting “Top Stories.” My son said he did see coverage earlier in the day. The media has done this on so many of our President’s important trips … I still don’t know how they live with their sorry selves.

      • November 18, 2012 at 10:20 pm

        and the irony is that the media has a ton of reporters travelling with the President.

        • 193 jacquelineoboomer
          November 18, 2012 at 10:42 pm

          I remember one trip in the past when Chuckie Toad reported from another country where he was accompanying the President, and never mentioned the President. They are godawful losers.

  35. November 18, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    A dust Devil? Cool!

  36. 195 dudette9t9
    November 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm
  37. November 18, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Here’s a livestream in Burma:

    http://www.livestation.com/channels/66-democratic_voice_of_burma_burmese

    Its really lousy reception for me but maybe for others?

  38. 197 theo67
    November 18, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Next twitter account to follow for live tweeting of President Obama’s visit to Burma: @usembassyburma

  39. November 18, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Wow, seeing live in Burma…ain’t technology great!

  40. 201 theo67
    November 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm
  41. 202 susanne
    November 18, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    i read about a documentary film being made, detailing the women’s liberation movement, and thought–huh. funny, but i don’t think i’ve ever seen a film on that topic. and why the hell is that, anyway?

    (rant rant rant about rethugs nasty hideous venomous attempts to pitch women back to the dark ages)

    okay, anyway, the film is titled ‘she’s beautiful when she’s angry’, and here’s a link to the website. http://www.shesbeautifulwhenshesangry.com/

    also, a fundraising page. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1299423713/shes-beautiful-when-shes-angry

    and some of dominique browning’s beautiful description of why she’s supporting this project:

    ‘ I cannot even believe this story hasn’t been told on film before–and maybe that’s why those bozo politicians think they can get away with telling women how their bodies are supposed to respond when we’re raped, or why we shouldn’t be able to get contraception, or why we’re sluts if we need it. They have no idea how hard we fought, way back when the storks hadn’t found them yet, to get where we are today. We’re not done.
    ~
    We were “consciousness raising”–one of my all time favorite phrases. We were hell-raising. We were asking for raises. We were raising our fists. We were marching in the streets. We were getting arrested. We were given detention and being grounded. We were arguing, writing, screaming and yelling. We were mad. We were thrilled.

    And we sure were beautiful. We still are. ‘

    http://www.slowlovelife.com/

  42. 203 99ts
    November 18, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    No doubt a dumb question (I do live a long way from the US) – but is there any chance that Hillary Clinton will stay on as Sec of State? Perhaps until the mid-terms?


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