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Rise and Shine – and Chat Away

Hey, another Liberal Librarian.

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MooooOooooOoooooOooorning everyone. Another busy-ish Sunday, will be back later ;-)


241 Responses to “Rise and Shine – and Chat Away”


  1. 1 vcprezofan2
    December 9, 2012 at 8:34 am

    GM, CC!

  2. 14 vcprezofan2
    December 9, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Okay, where is everyone else? A monologue is no fun when you are not at all artistic/dramatic. Hey Tally, can I have some quick drama tips?

  3. 21 vcprezofan2
    December 9, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Goodness gracious, WHERE is everyone? Chips! Chips! TODobots!

  4. 22 dudette9t9
    December 9, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Good Morning Beloved TOD Family!

  5. 23 dudette9t9
    December 9, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Hiya VC, misspat and tnmtngirl! Lovely to see you! :-)

    • 24 vcprezofan2
      December 9, 2012 at 8:54 am

      Hello there, my friend. Phew! I am starting to feel a little better now that I realize I was not really in solitary confinement. See, I don’t mind my own company under normal circumstances – i.e. when I’m prepared for it and have reading material handy.

      Dear Dudette, I notice you have been having fun sharing music with us as usual, AND reveling in the fact that Chips ‘really likes’ you (Sing video)! :lol: :lol: As usual, I appreciate your DJ-ing role, even while wondering how you remember all these songs. I don’t think I’d be able to name more than 2 or 3 favourite songs.

      • 25 dudette9t9
        December 9, 2012 at 11:13 am

        You’re very sweet vc. Music is probably the only thing I remember well these days. :-)

        • 26 jacquelineoboomer
          December 9, 2012 at 11:26 am

          There’s no proof of that! Mornin’!

          • 27 dudette9t9
            December 9, 2012 at 11:29 am

            Really, everything reminds me of a song — everything. Some people think it’s cute. I sometimes wonder if it’s a disorder. :-D

            • 28 jacquelineoboomer
              December 9, 2012 at 11:34 am

              I’m a little guilty of that disorder, myself. (Actually, everything reminds me of a story, even this, but I digress.) I think it’s because most songs we like put us into another time and place that were usually enjoyable, maybe? Hey, there are worse faults than these, honey bunch!

  6. 33 miss pat
    December 9, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Should I go wake them up with buckets of cold water. Or maybe start coffee, bacon and eggs. They will soon emerge from their warm beds. Very cold morning here in NYC.

    • 34 vcprezofan2
      December 9, 2012 at 8:57 am

      No, let them sleep, Miss Pat. I’ve got to go now anyway as there’s breakfast to be made, consumed and kitchen tidied up before I hit the road at 11am. At least, this way I know I’m not leaving you all alone. ;)

      Catch you all later. Love,
      VC

  7. 35 Bill
    December 9, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Willard and Mrs. Willard attended a boxing match last night in Vegas. Willard told one of the boxers before the fight, “Hello Manny. I ran for president. I lost.” Willard is very strange.

    • 36 dotster3
      December 9, 2012 at 9:09 am

      Another amusing line from that story was that Willard and Miss Ann caused no commotion when they entered. No one cared that they were there—-or not.

      • 37 miss pat
        December 9, 2012 at 9:20 am

        I was catching up and saw that. At first I said, no, didn’t happen. But it did. And Miss Ann ordered new linen and furniture for her move? Hope that was not true. She can’t be that arrogant. But she did say, start packing.
        And, also too Miss Walters is going to get an interview with the President and First Lady. She was fawning over Ann. I hope she is respectful with her phony self.
        And also, too too Mailia or Sasha has hair long enough tp wear a pony tail. And they are off limits anyaway. No phony comments, positive all the way, all the time.
        PS.. My also too is a shoutout to Sarah Moose. Hi Sarah!

        • 38 anniebella
          December 9, 2012 at 9:46 am

          miss pat, yes they can be that arrogant, Remember Romney was so sure he was going to win he only wrote one speech, and that start packing comment told me all I needed to know about Ann Romney. I had no respect for her from that moment. Can you just imagine what would have been said by the media and the right wing racists crazies if Mrs. Michelle Obama said that. As far as Barbara Waters goes, she better show POTUS and FLOTUS respect, if she doesn’t she will hear from me, from all of us I’m sure. And last but not least, I have no respect for anyone who want to pick on children. There is nothing phony about those girls. Remember election night when Sasha told her Dad to turn around and wave to the people behind them. Just leave Sasha and Malia alone.

    • 39 anniebella
      December 9, 2012 at 9:27 am

      Well I hope Mitt and Ann enjoyed the fight. I am just happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, they won’t be going to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. for 4 years.

      • 40 miss pat
        December 9, 2012 at 9:53 am

        Me too. I am very happy. Four more years and I am done with politics. The GOP can elect one of the ones that ran last time or they can choose the Cuban or the Indian, doesn’t matter. I am done. Whoeve the Dems choose I will support but not to the extent that I supported this President.

        • 41 anniebella
          December 9, 2012 at 10:01 am

          miss pat, believe it or not I’ve said the same thing about being done with politics 2017.

          • 42 Alycee (@jazziz2)
            December 9, 2012 at 10:29 am

            Miss Pat & Anniebella — Noooooooooooo; you can’t be finished! That’s how the rethugs keep winning! Dems tend to “fall in love” with a candidate/office holder and split the scene when that person exits the stage. Rethugs “fall in line” and bide their time, build their team by taking over local, county and state governments; this is especially true during Census years. Rather than planning to quit in 2017, we need to be recruiting now for the future — building and training leaders to follow us! I’m currently working on recruiting local candidates for 2013.

            • 43 Pamela
              December 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm

              This is the true Change, the turning of the ship, this is the warp and the weft of the real reason PBO has run, ran again, and will do his utmost to make sure THE PEOPLE are in charge of their own destiny. As a Constitutional scholar and lawyer, he knows what looks good on paper must be lived out in real time, and never again let the rich, powerful and greedy decide for us, what we ourselves must take responsibility for. Ongoing.

              • 44 prettyfoot58
                December 9, 2012 at 1:05 pm

                what looks good on paper must be lived out in real time, and never again let the rich, powerful and greedy decide for us, what we ourselves must take responsibility for…

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                THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

        • 45 Bill
          December 9, 2012 at 10:17 am

          If good Democrats are done with politics in four years we could see a repeat of 2010. The Republicans could take over the presidency and both houses of Congress. Much that PBO has accomplished could be reversed. The Republicans and their monied backers will never give up.

          • 46 miss pat
            December 9, 2012 at 10:26 am

            Bill, I hear you and I agree. But no one deserved what they dished out to the President. And his fellow Democrats didn’t defend him. I am talking about Ms. Waters and quite a few others that rode on his coat tails and won re-election. I will always suppot the Democratic Party but I am not going all out, not anymore.

            • 47 hgerhard
              December 9, 2012 at 12:25 pm

              Yes, I understand these feelings, but, no, we must not tune out. President Obama is well aware of the pettiness of politics and the destructive divisiveness that hides behind contrived concerns. But he has the resiliance of unshakeable faith and a vision to guide him on the way to the “world that ought to be”.
              He is not a dreamer of impossible dreams – he is a highly disciplined, incredibly hard-working and demanding public servant who sets high standards for himself and for his administration. What sets him apart from past leaders is that his presidency is not based on political power but on community – shared values, shared responsibility and shared prosperity. He believes in a true democracy where the people come together to work through the challenges they face. He believes in cooperation and participation, in respect and dignity for every human being and in fairness in our national economy and around the world. Of course, he faces unrelenting attacks from those who want to maintain the status quo – but his vision is stronger and appeals to a huge majority of the people – here and in every corner of the world. Still, his success is not guaranteed. Only, we – the people – can achieve a more promising future. It takes all of us. We must remain informed and involved. Every election of a fair-minded representative, every law that gets enacted with a goal of serving all the people, every treaty that increases the prospects of peace and moves towards the end of poverty and deprivation around the world, every effort to improve communication and understanding is another brick on the road to the “world that ought to be”. Our President will continue to work for it long after his second term is done -and we should, too.

              • 48 prettyfoot58
                December 9, 2012 at 1:07 pm

                his success is not guaranteed. Only, we – the people – can achieve a more promising future. It takes all of us.

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                THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

              • 49 hopefruit2
                December 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm

                Excellent post, hgerhard! +1,000,000,000,000.

      • 50 coop10
        December 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm

        Me too. The thought of Queen Ann in the White House with her sense of entitlement was just too much for me. She mistook the White House for Versailles

    • 51 hopefruit2
      December 9, 2012 at 10:30 am

      I think that was Willard’s lame-arsed attempt at humor. Of course it fell flat.

  8. 52 dotster3
    December 9, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Haha——my 3 yr. old grandson told Santa that he wanted goggles for xmas. Santa was taken aback there for a minute. He asked, “Goggles—–for swimming?” Grandson said, “No, for construction.” hahahahaha. He’d been admiring a construction project out his Chgo window. Santa said that was a first—-a request for goggles. My grandson—-wonderful and unique!

    • 53 jackiegrumbacher
      December 9, 2012 at 9:22 am

      He sounds like a real cutie, Dotster. I hope Santa finds a great pair just his size. Another rainy day in our area and a local newspaper article telling us how difficult it will be to keep Corbett from being re-elected governor in 2014. Just what I wanted to hear. Corbett will put the final nail on the PA coffin if he’s re-elected. Got to work hard to make sure this doesn’t happen.

      • 54 jacquelineoboomer
        December 9, 2012 at 11:05 am

        Mornin’, Jackie and Chips and all TODbots! Rainy here in Central Illinois, too, so I really appreciated seeing the photo at the top of the President in the glorious sunshine … or was that the glorious President in the sunshine?

        Happy day to y’all!

    • 55 jacquelineoboomer
      December 9, 2012 at 11:30 am

      What an adorable story about your grandson! I had my nearly 2 yr. old great grandson visiting for a while. Once he found out he could watch Spongebob endlessly off the DVR, we were goners once the weather turned cold and he wasn’t outside in the sun, as often. And, because it’s 2012, he also wouldn’t allow any commercials to play during the recorded shows, and would hand me the remote to FF every time one of ‘em came on. So funny, and he’s also wonderful and unique in about a gazillion ways. But I’m a little biased. :)

  9. December 9, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Kidnapped American rescued from Taliban, coalition says

    KABUL, Afghanistan — An American citizen abducted by the Taliban five days ago was rescued Sunday in eastern Afghanistan, the U.S.-led military coalition said.

    Dr. Dilip Joseph was captured by Taliban insurgents Wednesday outside the Afghan capital, in the Sarobi district of Kabul province, a statement by the coalition said.

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/08/15782961-kidnapped-american-rescued-from-taliban-coalition-says?lite

    • 57 miss pat
      December 9, 2012 at 11:09 am

      Folks, take a look at the slideshow. We need to get out of there sooner than later. Some of the shots were so bad that you had the option of skipping. I did. The kids with artificial legs got to me. Also the people that have to live in that hell hole i feel sorry for. At least the service men and women will come home. Hopefully alive.

  10. 59 sherijr
    December 9, 2012 at 9:25 am

    good morning everyone ~ happy Sunday… getting into the Christmas spirit here today, son & I off to buy our Christmas tree :) Have a lovely day ! Although its chilly & wet in Baltimore today, I’m feeling quite lucky as its -9 in ND. Ha!

    • 60 anniebella
      December 9, 2012 at 9:49 am

      Today it will be sunny and in the 70′s here in N.C.

      • 61 anniebella
        December 9, 2012 at 9:51 am

        Good luck with the tree.

        • 62 sherijr
          December 9, 2012 at 10:13 am

          thank you anniebella ~ I used a fake tree for the whole 9 years I lived in ND- real trees dried out so bad there that I stayed away from them, so this is the first ‘real’ tree my son will remember having.. so I’m kinda excited ;)

          • 63 jacquelineoboomer
            December 9, 2012 at 11:13 am

            I remember moving from NJ to FL, and the first year, my Mother and I picked out a real tree for her. After I brought it into her house, I noticed my arms were all red and scratchy. After jumping at the sight, it dawned on me that it was the FIRST time ever that I had picked out a tree in 95-degree weather and sunshine in Florida, without a winter coat on to cover my arms! That was nice. :)

            Today would have been my dear Mother’s 91st birthday! I like to picture the ancestors all sitting around having birthday cake and ice cream, two of her favorite things, up in heaven! (That’s one of my thoughts on what heaven should be like, if I ever get there! I have other thoughts, of course.)

            • 64 theo67
              December 9, 2012 at 1:42 pm

              That’s a nice thought, Jacq – happy birthday for your mom’s memory!

              • 65 jacquelineoboomer
                December 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm

                Thank you!

                • 66 susanne
                  December 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm

                  that’s a sweet memory with your mom. i love the cake and ice cream in heaven picture! my mom passed in october, so this christmas is full of those moments when little things trigger memories. mom loved sweets, and now i can just imagine giving her all the cookies and cocoa she wants, and seeing her happy face. and good morning to you , chips, and tod ohana!

                  • 67 jacquelineoboomer
                    December 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm

                    We are so lucky to remember, most of all, “her happy face” !!!

                  • 68 Betsy
                    December 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm

                    So sorry for your loss, my dad passed away last March, so this Christmas will be a difficult one for my mom and my siblings. I imagine the same for you. I am thankful there are great memories to focus on to help ease the grief.

              • 69 HZ
                December 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm

                Jacquelineoboomer, I thank you for sharing this beautiful thought of memories of your precious mother. May your honor continue to bring her to a place of honor for dear mothers be a loving and peaceful moment of sitting and having a beautiful and delicious serving of ice cream and cake today. (((( Lots of love)))))

                My mother also loved ice cream, and my brother and I will not pass over a serving when possible. Our guts pay a price, but oh, the price is worth it because we know where we got the love of such a delicious dessert, “Our Loving and Beautiful Mother.”

                Enjoy her memory, Jacquelineoboomer in your beautiful way. HZ

      • 70 sherijr
        December 9, 2012 at 10:13 am

        Show off ! ;)

        • 71 dudette9t9
          December 9, 2012 at 11:15 am

          Similar weather here in GA. I like it, but wonder if we’ll be paying for it with a new snowpocalypse in January or something.

  11. December 9, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Top 26! Morning TOD. Hope you have a great Sunday.

  12. 73 pugeretto
    December 9, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Morning again, “again” because wordpress had my post for breakfast – ate it! Just having a quiete day here, all Christmas decorations finally up yesterday. Caught a bit of the Whitehouse Christmas on HGTV last night…and tonight is Homeland. CONGRATS on first VC!

    • December 9, 2012 at 10:04 am

      Good morning, TODville. Happy and relaxed Sunday to all.

      I just finished watching the first season of Homeland on DVD and, OMG, it’s intense and crazy!! Can’t imagine where it’s going in the second season.

  13. 75 Ladyhawke
    December 9, 2012 at 10:02 am

    THE FIRST PRINCIPLE OF JOURNALISM IS TO TELL THE TRUTH

    How the Mainstream Press Bungled the Single Biggest Story of the 2012 Campaign

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    “I can’t recall a campaign where I’ve seen more lying going on — and it wasn’t symmetric,” said Ornstein, a scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute who’s been tracking Congress with Mann since 1978. Democrats were hardly innocent, he said, “but it seemed pretty clear to me that the Republican campaign was just far more over the top.”

    Lies from Republicans generally and standardbearer Mitt Romney in particular weren’t limited to the occasional TV ads, either; the party’s most central campaign principles — that federal spending doesn’t create jobs, that reducing taxes on the rich could create jobs and lower the deficit — willfully disregarded the truth.

    “It’s the great unreported big story of American politics,” Ornstein said.

    “If voters are going to be able to hold accountable political figures, they’ve got to know what’s going on,” Ornstein said. “And if the story that you’re telling repeatedly is that they’re all to blame — they’re all equally to blame — then you’re really doing a disservice to voters, and not doing what journalism is supposed to do.”

    Ornstein said the media’s failure led him to conclude: “If you want to use a strategy of ‘I’m just going to lie all the time’, when you have the false equivalence meme adopted by a mainstream press and the other side lies a quarter of the time, you get away with it.”

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-froomkin/republican-lies-2012-election_b_2258586.html

    • December 9, 2012 at 10:07 am

      We keep expecting our media to be honest when in fact it’s the Republicans who are our media.

      • 77 sherijr
        December 9, 2012 at 10:15 am

        bingo meta – they are indeed.

      • 78 Vicki Green
        December 9, 2012 at 11:17 am

        Rich people Corporatists are the media.
        Mostly repubs, yes.
        The rich pay for the “news” that keeps them in power to be reported.
        Information that threatens their hold on the purse strings is supressed.

        TOD is a good way to spread the truth and fight back.

        • 79 jacquelineoboomer
          December 9, 2012 at 11:36 am

          I agree. TOD, then Twitter. As good as “word of mouth.” (Of course, TOD is better than any words that could come outta my mouth!)

    • 80 theo67
      December 9, 2012 at 1:51 pm

      Ever notice that when they (the media) accuse the Dems of lying, they never actually list any of the lies that the Dems are supposed to have told? Yet, we could all rattle off at least 100 lies told by the Romney campaign.

      • 81 susanne
        December 9, 2012 at 2:13 pm

        good point, theo. i read yesterday that 60 percent of the lying was done by rethugs, (this was james carville in rolling stone), as if that was astounding. it boggles the mind–when did our side tell lies? i know we amplified and underscored important points; possibly we could be accused of hyperbole. but outright lying? that was a central rethug tactic.

        • 82 theo67
          December 9, 2012 at 2:17 pm

          And it’s the James Carville’s of the world that perpetuate that deception. When Carville states his statistic of 60%, he probably never mentioned specific examples of those other 40%? And because he’s got credibility, people don’t question the veracity of those statistics. The pundits and media do a great job at making people doubt what their own eyes and ears know to be true, and getting them to swallow a bunch of nonsense.

  14. 83 Ceb
    December 9, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Good morning TOD ohana.

  15. December 9, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Happy Day everyone!!! (he says late to the gabfab)

  16. 85 utaustinliberal
    December 9, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Doing like Pres. Obama by stretching out and catching up on missed shows and finding shows I apparently should have been watching from the onset like HBO’s ‘Girls.’

    • 86 dudette9t9
      December 9, 2012 at 11:18 am

      Hmmm, there’s one that I haven’t seen, which people seem to like a lot. I’ll have check it out. Thanks for the reminder ut.

    • 87 dotster3
      December 9, 2012 at 11:37 am

      Bri Wi’s daughter is on that show. People have asked him how he feels about some of the racier aspects (sex stuff)—-he indicates he’s fine with it.

  17. 89 Eveingeorgia
    December 9, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Good morning, everyone! Congratulations, VCpreZo.

    Thank you again Chips for the fabulous You’re Beautiful clip.

    And finally, just had to share this:

    A doctor on TV said that in order to have inner peace in our lives after this election, we should always finish things that we start. Since we all could use more calm in our lives, I looked around my house to find things I had started and had not finished. 

    I finished a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiuminun scriptins, an a box a choclutz. Yu has no idr how fablus I feel rite now.

    Sned this to all ur frenz who need inner piss. An telum u luvum.

  18. 97 HZ
    December 9, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Good Morning to Chips and my TOD Family. What a beautiful sunny day out on the westcoast. Lovely. A little cool, but that is early morning wake up call moving through the sleepy heads bedrooms.

    A beautiful day to be a beautiful spirit to someone else in your path today. Enjoy it and be joyful for such a great and loving family here.

    POB, please have a great Sunday, and we love you dearly here at TOD.

    A beautiful shout out to my dear and special, Miss Pat.
    (((((((((((((((((((( Lots of love and thank yous to you))))))))))))))))))))

    You are so special!!!!!!!!!! HZ

  19. December 9, 2012 at 11:17 am

    UTaustinliberal mentioned this on the previous thread. I want to bring it forward.
    http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12686
    It’s Charlie Rose interviewing
    the director and screen writer for Zero Dark Thirty, opening in theatres nationwide
    on January 11th. It’s about the long search for and ultimate killing of Osama bin Laden.
    Excellent interview. Education for the peoples about all kinds of things. A lot of
    “substantive gravity”, a signification by director Katherine Bigelow.

    • 101 Jewelz
      December 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm

      I simply cannot understand how they can make a film about the hunting and killing of Osama Bin Laden without including the pivotal role that President Obama and his National Security team played. It’s like making a film about the 13th Amendment without including Lincoln’s role in it. I wonder if they would have done the same thing if Bush had been the president responsible for the successful mission of killing OBL. In an attempts to appear apolitical, the filmmakers have instead managed to upset people like me who remember what happened on May 1st, 2011. It’s this sort of cherry picking of historical and current invents in hollywoodland that sometimes turn me off.

      • December 9, 2012 at 12:24 pm

        Jewelz, I haven’t seen the movie, of course; but there was nothing about the Charlie Rose interview
        that left me thinking that this telling of the story minimized President Obama’s role in it.

      • December 9, 2012 at 1:37 pm

        I think she stated that her goal was to focus on the portrayal of the intelligence gathering and the event on the ground. It didn’t sound to me like they were disrespectful of PBO at all but we’ll have to see when the movie comes out.

        • 104 nathkatun7
          December 9, 2012 at 9:43 pm

          I haven’t seen the movie but I will try to watch it. Still, I think Jewels makes a good point because history by omission minimizes the role of those omitted. This is why I had a major problem with the movie “Mississippi Burning” which focused on the FBI and marginalized SNCC and “Freedom Summer.”

  20. December 9, 2012 at 11:35 am

    LOL! The Fibger to tue Nose signal from David Gregory this week was getting w everybody on the panel to agree if we go over the fiscal cliff that the President will own the recession and not the Republucans.
    Even Lawrence Odonell said so…
    It’s so obvious this was a ‘Sting’ Moment for David Gregory, as he does every week, gets his panel to blame it all in the President.
    LOL!

  21. 112 utaustinliberal
    December 9, 2012 at 11:40 am

    I tune into Meet The Press and see Lawrence O’Donnell owning Newt Gingrich like a BOSS. LOD read Newt’s 1996 statement about how the Clinton tax hike would destroy the economy and spell doom for America and umm…..yeah….22 million jobs were created. Newt looked like a moron trying to dodge his past comments.

    Lawrence has been injecting sense into the fiscal cliff debate. January 1st doesn’t automatically spell doom for the economy and Lawrence is the only one on the panel who’s actually using facts to spell out how taxes and budgets work.

  22. 116 desertflower
    December 9, 2012 at 11:44 am

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/

    Speaking of indolent people, Mitt and Ann Romney are continuing their loser tour. Noted fans of “sport,” the Romneys took in the Pacquiao-Marquez boxing match last night:

    I don’t follow boxing, but I think Pacquiao was favored to beat Marquez. That was before Romney visited Pacquiao in his dressing room, exuding a giant cloud of loser dust:
    “Hello Manny. I ran for president. I lost,” Romney told the fighter, according to Pacquiao publicist Fred Sternburg.
    Then this happened:

    “LAS VEGAS — Manny Pacquiao never saw it coming. He never saw the punch that snapped his head back Saturday and dropped him to the canvas and left him sprawled there momentarily, face down, while his wife sobbed uncontrollably and the packed crowd at MGM’s Grand Garden Arena rose to its feet in shock.
    With that, a rivalry known for its lack of a definitive triumph suddenly had the most definitive ending of them all.”
    I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really hope Mitt and Ann Romney decide to pay the Notre Dame locker room a visit prior to the BCS title game.

    Everything Mitt touches turns to crap.

    • 117 jackiegrumbacher
      December 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm

      Good gref, DF. I hope that poor Pacquiao is okay. There is no way I would every pay to see two people punch each other, which is why I hate boxing movies, even the good ones. Romney needs to stay home and do something productive. Maybe he can learn to carve decoys or paint watercolors so he only hurts himself or anyone who has to see what he makes.

      • 118 dotster3
        December 9, 2012 at 1:28 pm

        Agree about boxing—–and about Romney. Go away, Willard. I don’t care if you’re buying paper towels at Costco or saying dumb things in Vegas. Go home and build a birdhouse.

        • 119 jacquelineoboomer
          December 9, 2012 at 2:04 pm

          Knowing Willard, though, I suspect there’d be no opening in that birdhouse for “the taker.”

        • 120 theo67
          December 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm

          I totally agree with you and JG!

        • 121 susanne
          December 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm

          also agree about boxing. weirdly compelling photos on buzzfeed of myth and miss ann’s faces as they watch the fight. he looks disturbed and vague, she looks sharp and villainous–but then, that’s their normal faces i guess. anyway, i wondered about their motive for going to this fight, being photographed so prominently. i think they miss the cameras, the crowds, the celebrity status. but boxing is controversial, and vegas is sin city. at this point, maybe rethugs who gave him a lot of money for the campaign are demanding something for their money–shows i’m a high roller if the robmeys are my guests.

    • 122 Pamela
      December 9, 2012 at 12:26 pm

      Myth would best and most realistically spend the rest of his mentally deranged life, sitting in his car in one of the car elevators, pretending it is the Oval Office, and that he is president of the world. He will be fine there, and the world will be safe from HIM!

  23. 125 hopefruit2
    December 9, 2012 at 11:56 am
  24. 126 Zizi
    December 9, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Folks,
    For those of you who’ve followed my postings her about Ghana and how it’s politics has mirrored American political trends in the most uncanny ways, I have one more piece goose-pimply news. Ghana had its presidential and parliamentary elections this past Friday. And the incumbent, Prez. John Mahama (long nicknamed “the Obama of Ghana” since his tenure as vice president until the death of the last President last July thrust him into the presidecncy) is projected to win by, you guessed it, 51% to the challenger’s 47%.

    And here’s the kicker: the challenger, Nana Akuffo Addo belongs to our equivalent of he GOP with the same elephant as mascot. And like Romney he was dead certain he’d win so much so that he prematurely declared victory yesterday at a hastily organized press conference, while vote tallying was still going on. Tha electoral commission and neutral monitoring bodies instantly slapped him down for that stunt. His father was once ceremonial president in the late 1960s and thus felt “entitled to the presidency, just like Romney. He too ran and lost in 2008, and felt this was his time at age 68. The incumbent president at 54, belongs to the post-independence generation of vibrant leaders who want to move past our colonial nightmares.

    This election just as it was here in the US last month, was a tight election with vote counting continuing as I write., but the voter participation rate is one Americans should envy : 81%. People stood in line for hours to cast their vote, and equipment hiccups led to voting in some constituencies having to be rescheduled for the next day Saturday. But they went smoothly, and all international observer groups have had nothing but high praise for Ghana conducting free and fair elections even in the face of technical challengers from the brand new electronic voter verification machines eing deployed or the Rist time. Earlier in the year, all voter registration was biometric.

    I am so giddy with excitement for my native country. Earlier, dear hubby and I had a huge bet: I’d Orkney hard here to help get Prez. Obama get re-elected, and he would have to work hard to get his buddy (they were college buddies) get elected in Ghana. Now we’ve both succeeded. Only sad part is we lost my hubby’s father this past Wed.

    Oh life!

    • December 9, 2012 at 11:59 am

      Please pardon the typos. Ugh iPad is crazy!

      • 128 mtmarilyn
        December 9, 2012 at 12:06 pm

        Thank you for the update zizi2. I had been wondering what was happening. So happy for your native country.

        And so sorry for your husband’s lose. My prayers are with your family!

    • December 9, 2012 at 12:05 pm

      Congratulations Zizi……you should be so proud of your native countrymen/women who chose a leader that is for the people.

      • 130 jackiegrumbacher
        December 9, 2012 at 3:06 pm

        Wow Zizi! Amazing similarities between the US and Ghana. I hope President Mahama has a successful term and makes the citizens of Ghana proud. They are all heroes for coming out to vote at such an amazing rate. Sorry to hear about the loss of your father in law. Bless you and your family.

    • 131 hopefruit2
      December 9, 2012 at 12:07 pm

      This is wonderful news from Ghana zizi, and thanks for sharing with us! 81% turnout is very impressive indeed and something for us to ponder. Sorry to hear about your father-in-law’s death – may he rest in peace and condolences to you and your hubby.

    • 132 desertflower
      December 9, 2012 at 12:13 pm

      Amazing, zizi. 81%?!!!! If only. The similarities are scary…funny how that is. So sorry to hear about your father in law…my best to your family during this difficult time.

    • 133 susanne
      December 9, 2012 at 2:31 pm

      zizi, it’s wonderful to hear how the political process is working in ghana–thanks for your report, and congrats on the win. life is such a mixture, eh? the loss of a loved win, in the midst of a celebration. thanks for sharing with your tod ohana.

    • 134 theo67
      December 9, 2012 at 3:01 pm

      Zizi – my condolences for your loss.

      On the matter of the election, I heard a story on this last night on BBC, and they were saying that “peace” was the overriding theme of the campaign. They also said that Ghana is an example for the region. I’m so glad that the election turned out. Sounds like the Romneyesque opposition leader was going to end up a dictator if he had “won”, because he felt entitled, which meant he’d behave like he was royalty. That would have been very bad. Let’s hope he can accept his loss.

      • December 9, 2012 at 6:43 pm

        Thank you all for sharing in my family’s loss, as well as the good electoral news from Ghana. We have been watching the returns live on you tube. President Mahama popped out a few minutes ago to make a few tempered remarks about his victory. Meanwhile the challenger is making noises about filing a lawsuit. For what, no one knows. The vote difference is huge, 330,000 votes out of a total 12 million votes cast (population 25 million, 13.5 million registered voters). In 2008 the vote difference was 40,000 votes.

        Yet this two-time loser cannot believe his obsession to be president has been rejected. He even promised free high school education, but voters did not buy his pandering. Romney does indeed have a twin bro in Ghana, except he’s shorter. LOL!

  25. December 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm
  26. 145 Ladyhawke
    December 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Since Democrats took control of the Senate in 2006, Republicans Have Mounted 380 Filibusters

    By: Sarah Jones

    ——————————————————-

    Here are but a few examples of bills that would likely have passed the Senate without the filibuster, according to Dylan Matthews at the Washington Post (more at link, including appointments):

    The DREAM Act
    The DISCLOSE Act
    Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA)
    The Public option
    Paycheck Fairness Act
    Permanent middle-class Bush tax cut extension
    Rescinding of the upper-income Bush tax cuts
    Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act
    Emergency Senior Citizens Relief Act
    Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act
    American Jobs Act
    The Buffett rule
    Teachers and First Responders Back to Work Act of 2011
    Repeal Big Oil Tax Subsidies Act
    .
    .
    The Republican abuse of the filibuster has effectively stymied the Senate from doing its job and functioning as an actual body of government, and this is why Harry Reid is aiming at reforming the filibuster rules in January at the start of the new session.

    —————————————————–

    http://www.politicususa.com/block-blame-successful-republican-filibuster-strategy.html

  27. 146 hopefruit2
    December 9, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    The adorable video with Bo inspecting the WH decorations is now over 2M views on Youtube – just published a little over a week ago! :)

  28. 148 desertflower
    December 9, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    If only my arms could reach around Smartypants….just like our Chips, I could hug her everyday:)

    http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2012/12/no-commentary-required-12912.html

    • 150 susanne
      December 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm

      good one–thanks df. i like how mj cuts away the poutrage and puts the remaining truths on the table. no flourishes, no drama, no bs.

  29. 151 desertflower
    December 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    By the way, I have always loved this picture of the President in the garden. I feel his stretch, smell the air and otherwise can put myself there….we have all done this at one time or another….the look on his face, happy to be. Thanks, Chips:)

  30. December 9, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Good morning, TODville.

    Grateful for yesterday’s comments about SmartyPants’ post on how Ezra Klein used Rachel Maddow’s show to “claim” that Medicare eligibility age will be raised during Dem fiscal “clilff” concession. SmartyPants is spot-on in saying that punidst are systematically ignoring the defense cut portion of the negotiation. Thank God pundits aren’t politicians; this country would be worse off than with the current Congress being held hostage to the tea-party.

    Flipped on “Up with Chris” at 5 am PST for a few minutes, and saw Steve Kornacki proclaim that “Ezra is pretty plugged into Washington.” (Then went back to sleep.)

    I can’t believe how these young “liberal” pundits are now falling lock-step into the totalDavid Brooks/George Will transformation (cue “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” or “Stepford Wives”).

    Ezra is too full of himself, and getting worse every day. He’s really become unbearable, and yet he’s lavished with nothing but praise by the Beltway. I wish someone like Tim Russert were around to cut them all down to size (including his own precious son).

    • 155 jacquelineoboomer
      December 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm

      Agree, wholeheartedly, especially about Ezra and Luke.

    • 156 theo67
      December 9, 2012 at 2:50 pm

      I think Ezra’s head got extraordinarily bloated when Chris Matthews praised his political intelligence a few months back. He believed it.

    • 157 0388jojothecat
      December 9, 2012 at 3:02 pm

      I don’t watch any of them…Ezra, Hayes nor Melissa……they are weekend stand-ins who are not worthy of their own shows yet.

  31. December 9, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    • 159 desertflower
      December 9, 2012 at 1:46 pm

      Interesting that Newt always tries to rewrite history to suit his rhetoric! Maybe he should READ!

      http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2012/11/01/stocks-story/imJJjC7EHDJwQJCtTB2b4O/story.html

      Economic data show more growth under Democrats

      • 160 0388jojothecat
        December 9, 2012 at 4:28 pm

        The “Rich” do extremely well under Republicans because they get special tax treatment on the backs of the middle class and working poor which puts a drag on the economy. Everyone does better under a Democrat because they usually increase taxes on businesses and the rich to enact programs to help support the middle class and working poor which improves the overall economy which eventually helps business and the rich indirectly.

    • 161 Bill
      December 9, 2012 at 2:36 pm

      This is an example of Newton Leroy trying to talk his way out of a corner no matter what the facts are. He thinks he is smarter than anyone else and everyone will buy his bluster. The problem in this clip is Lawerence is smarter, more knowledgeable, and honest than Newton Leroy. I am certain he had the same reaction when one of his wives caught him with another woman.

    • 169 Lorraine.
      December 9, 2012 at 3:58 pm

      I watched MTP before I left for church. Lawerence ODonnell said something that confused me a little. He said that if the Supremes vote against homosexual marriage it wouldn’t stand. I thought all rulings by the Supreme Court stood.

    • 171 susanne
      December 9, 2012 at 2:53 pm

      interesting read. not sure i agree with the conclusion, though. ‘bonding’ with this congress would not necessarily help him move his agenda, because there are so many crazies in there.

      • 172 jackiegrumbacher
        December 9, 2012 at 3:35 pm

        Agree, Susanne. Bonding is a two-way street and the Republicans in congress are rigid ideologues. No amount of outreach or chats over cocktail nibbles are going to make the Boehners of the world more reasonable than they are. They are just nasty people.

  32. December 9, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    The thing about turning in your letter of resignation is the days afterward when you get up for work and you just wanna get back in bed and just wanna say “F..k it!, I ain’t going in.” Ugh. My new mantra, “u need them final paychecks, u need them final paychecks, u need them final paychecks…”!

    • 175 desertflower
      December 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm

      Certain members of Congress could give tutorials in this….. :)

    • 176 jacquelineoboomer
      December 9, 2012 at 2:33 pm

      Been there! When I retired as a civilian working for the Navy, I was training my replacement for the whole month before, and my then-boss asked if I’d “stay another month.” Uh, no. But you can do it, since your career continues and I’m sure the next phase will be great!!!!

    • 177 susanne
      December 9, 2012 at 2:58 pm

      the photo gave me a laugh–everybody has felt that way, short-timers and otherwise. my sister’s last week before retirement starts tomorrow, and we were chuckling about this, too. seems to me, at this point, you’re mostly working for the morale of your co-worker friends. can’t rub it in too much that you’re moving on to greener pastures! oh, and also too yes: need those paychecks! :)

  33. 178 dotster3
    December 9, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    I’m assuming there’s no coverage of the holiday concert attended by the Obama family tonight. ? I thought someone might want to cover it because of the controversy stirred up about the Gangnam dude who is performing.

    • 179 hopefruit2
      December 9, 2012 at 3:12 pm

      PSY is still scheduled to perform as planned. I guess the interest in the “controversy” is fizzling out since he apologized for his remarks, but I don’t think anyone is carrying the concert live. Hopefully, we might get some nice pictures this evening as we did last year when they attended. The show will be televised on Fri Dec 21st at 8PM (ET) on TNT.

  34. 181 lisalovesobama
    December 9, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Hey everybody! Hope Sunday’s going well for everyone. I’m splitting my time between watching episodes of Castle online and watching AMC where all the ridiculous gooey romantic movies/comedies are being shown. Just finished ‘The Lakehouse’ now watching ‘Notting Hill.’ I’m watching in the vain hope that eventually I’ll run into a showing of ‘Love, Actually.’ The festive spirit of Christmas doesn’t actually start for me till I see that movie on TV. :/ ugh. :roll: I could go to the library and borrow it, but traditionally, I see it on TV. {{sigh}} can you guys keep an eye out for me? Anytime you run into it on TV, let me know.

    • 182 hopefruit2
      December 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm

      Depending on your cable provider, you can do a “search” for any movie/show using the “menu” button on your remote and type in the keywords “Love, Actually” and see whether it comes up. E.g., I did a search on my Comcast and see that for this week, the movie will be played on MAX on various days, Mon, Tue, and Thu at different times. it’s not showing this week on AMC, but may be next week (try the search again next Sunday). Good luck! :)

    • 184 Elaine
      December 9, 2012 at 3:38 pm

      Love Actually will be shown on STARZ Tuesday at 4:45 pm Az time.

      • 185 lisalovesobama
        December 9, 2012 at 4:06 pm

        Thanks Elaine, but I have basic cable thanks to my el cheapo housing department on campus, so I have to wait until TBS, AMC, USA, etc decide to show it.

    • 190 theo67
      December 9, 2012 at 4:06 pm

      I love Castle! Such a smart little show.

      • 191 lisalovesobama
        December 9, 2012 at 4:10 pm

        I’ve gotten into it. I’m watching all the episodes back to back. That’s why I’ve been missing all weekend. I’ve been lurking here, but watching all the episodes. I’m now on season 3 episode 9, the alien one. Have you seen The Mentalist? I love that show! I spent a week and a half watching every episode of every season up to now. Fantastic show! :)

        • 192 theo67
          December 9, 2012 at 6:08 pm

          I had to do a Castle marathon at the end of last season – and fell even more in love with the show, seeing it’s progression. I’ve tried watching The Mentalist a couple of times, but can’t really get into it. I might have to do a marathon for that one, too – but I just don’t watch enough TV to justify it.

  35. December 9, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Another second in command killed by a Terminator drone-

    PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A U.S. drone strike has killed a senior al-Qaida leader in Pakistan’s tribal region near the Afghan border, Pakistani intelligence officials said, in the latest blow to the Islamic militant network.
    Sheik Khalid bin Abdel Rehman al-Hussainan, who was also known as Abu Zaid al-Kuwaiti, was killed when missiles slammed into a house Thursday near Mir Ali, one of the main towns in the North Waziristan tribal area, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.
    Al-Kuwaiti appeared in many videos released by al-Qaida’s media wing, Al-Sahab, and was presented as a religious scholar for the group.
    Earlier this year, he replaced Abu Yahya al-Libi, al-Qaida’s second in command, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in North Waziristan in June, the intelligence officials said. Al-Libi was a key religious figure within al-Qaida and also a prominent militant commander.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/09/sheik-khalid-bin-abdel-rehman-al-hussainan-dead_n_2267076.html

    • 194 hopefruit2
      December 9, 2012 at 3:38 pm

      But but but..Benghazi…

    • 195 0388jojothecat
      December 9, 2012 at 4:07 pm

      This morning and in the past few weeks I’ve heard pundits especially on the left complain about the drone strikes and the “violence” that this US President is doing against our enemies…..? These al-Qaida had no problem flying planes into buildings, killing innocent people and their unwavering determination to attack americans yet the President is the violent one…….These pundits don’t seem to understand the difference between being in a war to attacking innocent people.

      • December 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm

        That’s liberal Pundits for you, it doesn’t matter if their Nation should defend itself. Nope, it’s Utopia for all. Unrealistic pipe dreams from a surrealistic LSD high from the 1960s.
        LOL!

  36. 197 hopefruit2
    December 9, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    I guess there’s no incentive for price manipulation at this time – Obama won the election…

  37. 199 hopefruit2
    December 9, 2012 at 3:47 pm
    • 200 susanne
      December 9, 2012 at 3:52 pm

      really, chuck? ‘event’? try reporting real news instead of inserting your agenda/opinions to create news.

      • 201 Nena20409
        December 9, 2012 at 3:59 pm

        EVENT is the Pundits’ game. Reporting is indeed a Hard Job. But Gossiping, speculating, Tweeting fatuous bat poop are their specialties. Hey they all get paid very well for their nonsense. So why change?

      • 204 theo67
        December 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm

        Indeed – Chuck Todd is ridiculous. Boehner needs to face reality – and the President shouldn’t have to give up his Sunday to deal with this nonsense.

  38. 205 vcprezofan2
    December 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Hmmmm, I see that I got back before the blog mistress – wonder whether that is good or ‘bad’? :???:

    • 207 anniebella
      December 9, 2012 at 4:48 pm

      Hay POTUS might didn’t do all that good dancing on the Ellen Show, but he did just fine when he and FLOTUS slow dance to Beyonce singing “At Last”.

      • 208 susanne
        December 9, 2012 at 5:12 pm

        yep, it’s all about inspiration :)

      • 209 Pamela
        December 9, 2012 at 5:31 pm

        I really liked that dancing on the Ellen Show, I don’t get why most people say he can’t dance.. He did fine, just fine!

        • 210 susanne
          December 9, 2012 at 5:50 pm

          seems like friendly ribbing to me–just pals teasing each other. because pbo is soooooo good at everything, the teasing sounds absurd, but i think it’s intended to show affection.

  39. 211 vcprezofan2
    December 9, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    As we think of the 2013 Inauguration I’m reminded of a 2009 recount that I saw at the time. Here it is, shared by the artist involved (our own Eclectablog’s other half – his blog link is on the right

  40. 212 hopefruit2
    December 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    LMAO! This is one of the FLOTUS & Bo greeting WH tourists videos, and one of the visitors is a guy from Tennessee with a “Ron Paul 2012″ t-shirt (go to ~4:01-4:15 in the video). HAHAHAHAHA…

    • December 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm

      Oh yes, Oak Ridge. Right in my back door. I will say there were lots of Ron Paul signs and stickers on cars especially during the primaries. Of course, I still see quite a few on cars. It is certainly not uncommon. Probably almost as many Paul stickers as Romney.

      • 214 hopefruit2
        December 9, 2012 at 5:23 pm

        I will say however that Our Oak Ridge boy seemed quite content to be on the tour and meeting FLOTUS and Bo.

        • 215 Bill
          December 9, 2012 at 5:42 pm

          I loved the way Bo greeted the visitors.

        • December 9, 2012 at 6:04 pm

          Yes, he did. It is SO frustrating living in this area and reading the ignorant LTE’s, especially about government jobs, cutting spending, etc. Think about it: Oak Ridge, UT, TVA. Then there’s all the auto industry jobs in this state and most of them in east or middle TN. People are so stupid. There’s still letters about Obama lying, a big spender, gonna break us, gonna destroy America……same ole s—. You know they are all Fox News and Rush followers.

  41. 221 hopefruit2
    December 9, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    This is for zizi. :)

  42. December 9, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Since it seems like I have way too much time at work right now, I’ve been calculating my new budget with my new job and my main worry with moving back to Louisiana was that I’d take a big pay cut since Louisiana tends to pay less. Welp from my crude calculations only, it looks like I’m gonna lose a sum total of $20 A YEAR!! Why because I get paid extra for being a Microbiology specialist!!!!

    My new fav “meme” pic…lol.

    http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24686426.jpg

  43. 225 carolyn
    December 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    I just wrote my representative urging him to vote for the complete VAWA…….I reminded him that as a representative of Oklahoma, with such a large population of Native Americans, he certainly would not vote against including Native American women. I also challenged him as a Christian to do this…..he is always bragging about his Christianity. I reminded him that Christ would vote to include. Man, these self-proclaimed Christians who are far-right ideologues make me extremely angry!!

  44. December 9, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Audio only for Christmas in Washington on Whitehouse.gov. Anyone know if they are showing anywhere on interwebs?

  45. 230 hopefruit2
    December 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Now that the WH announced that one of the special operators in the rescue mission got killed, Mark Knoller and MSM seemed to be suddenly interested. Up until this point, we heard nary a peep from the media on this event. Now more than 70% of Knoller’s tweets on the rescue mission seem to be about the fallen soldier.

    • 231 theo67
      December 9, 2012 at 6:12 pm

      It would be honourable if they were actually interested in the troops and their safety. But, as you said, they smell an opportunity to attack the President, so they’re shining a spotlight. It’s a real shame that the troop lost his life. Very sad – and I hope the media and the GOP don’t exploit this tragedy like they did the last one.

  46. 232 Dakota
    December 9, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Good Afternoon TOD Family!

    My condolences to you zizi. My prayers go out to you and your family

    Well we got our first snow of the year today at around noon and it’s been coming down steady ever since. Great because we need the moisture, but the office Christmas party is off. Even though we knew it was coming, there’s only about 5 snow plows in the whole state of N.M. and they only plow the major streets and thoroughfares! So were in for the evening…looking forward to seeing Kerry Washington, Shondra Rhimes and the woman on which the character from Scandal, Olivia Pope, is based, on Oprah’s Next Chapter.

    How very weird about Romney and Ann at the fights last night…

  47. 234 hopefruit2
    December 9, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    The fact that so many dishonorable Repubs including Mankini, McCain, most of the MSM, etc seem to be pushing for Hillary to run in 2016 should give most Dems – including Hillary – pause.

    • 235 theo67
      December 9, 2012 at 6:24 pm

      Indeed – they are thinking she’ll be an easy target, and they can use all their material they’d kept for 2008, but never got a chance to use.

      • 236 hopefruit2
        December 9, 2012 at 6:27 pm

        Yes, one thing Dems of all stripes need to understand: The media NEVER props a Democrat who they think will be a serious threat to their chosen Republican candidate.

        • 237 theo67
          December 9, 2012 at 6:29 pm

          Very good point. Hillary’s had an illustrious political career. I would want her to go out on a high note, and not be used as a punching bag by the right wing and the media.

        • 238 anniebella
          December 9, 2012 at 6:33 pm

          Why would anyone believe these Republicans? Aren’t they the same ones who said we was going to have a President Mitt Romney. So if I was Hillary, I sure wouldn’t feel I had nothing to worry about. Beside she felt it was all hers one time before, when this funny name black guy came from out of the blue ..

    • 239 Vicky
      December 9, 2012 at 7:07 pm

      I am so hoping Hillary will be our next candidate!

      • 240 anniebella
        December 10, 2012 at 11:44 am

        Honestly, I am not even thinking about 2016. And if our wonderful VP Biden decides to run, i sure will give him a look. My vote is note Hillary Clinton, not in 2012.


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