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Rise and Shine

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Gail Collins (NYT): …. Every country has a sizable contingent of mentally ill citizens. We’re the one that gives them the technological power to play god. This is all about guns – access to guns and the ever-increasing firepower of guns. Over the past few years we’ve seen one shooting after another in which the killer was wielding weapons holding 30, 50, 100 bullets. I’m tired of hearing …. that the founding fathers specifically wanted to make sure Americans retained their right to carry rifles capable of mowing down dozens of people in a couple of minutes.

….. We will undoubtedly have arguments about whether tougher regulation on gun sales or extra bullet capacity would have made a difference in Connecticut. In a way it doesn’t matter. America needs to tackle gun violence because we need to redefine who we are. We have come to regard ourselves – and the world has come to regard us – as a country that’s so gun happy that the right to traffic freely in the most obscene quantities of weapons is regarded as far more precious than an American’s right to health care or a good education.

We have to make ourselves better. Otherwise, the story from Connecticut is too unspeakable to bear…..

Full article here

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Josh Marshall (TPM): …. I generally have no interest in writing things that amount to counsels of despair or suggestions that there’s no possible solution. But I have a hard time not doing that in this case….

… there are some 300 million guns in the US. Just under half the population owns a firearm. Let’s assume some truly radical shift in public opinion in the country and new regulations and laws get that number down to 200 million. What does that accomplish exactly?

…. I’m hearing a lot of people saying we need to talk about guns, restart that conversation. And I agree, at least in the abstract. But what exactly are we talking about? And how we propose to get from here to there? How do we make our country less of a moral embarrassment.

…. I’m not trying to stop the discussion. I want to start it. But I’m looking for some guidance on how it can be about more than words.

Full post here

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Gregory Gibson (NYT): MY wife and I learned about the Connecticut school shootings on our way home from the cemetery, where we had just finished observing the 20th anniversary of our son’s murder. Our son Galen, who was 18, and a teacher were killed on Dec. 14, 1992, by a deranged student who went on a shooting rampage …

In the wake of Galen’s murder, I wrote a book about the shooting. In it I suggested that we view gun crime as a public health issue, much the same as smoking or pesticides. I spent a number of years attending rallies, signing petitions, writing letters and making speeches, but eventually I gave up. Gun control … inexplicably became a third-rail issue for politicians.

I came to realize that, in essence, this is the way we in America want things to be. We want our freedom, and we want our firearms, and if we have to endure the occasional school shooting, so be it….

…. Children will continue to pay for a freedom their elders enjoy.

Full article here

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Liberal Librarian (The People’s View): ….. The fetishistic devotion to “gun rights” among the NRA and its supporters lead inexorably to tragedies like [yesterday's]. When it’s easier to legally purchase a gun than to legally acquire a driver’s license, it’s way past time to step back and consider a nation’s priorities.

…. Among gun rights advocates, the 2nd Amendment has become a totem with no meaning, a dead letter. They focus on half of the bill, ignoring that bearing arms was a conditional right, written into the Constitution for a republic that did not plan on having a large standing army, where militia units would make up a large part of its armed strength during any war, and thus citizens had to have the means to participate.

…. The NRA is one of the most influential lobbies in the country, with influence among both Republicans and Democrats. The only hope to counter it and neuter it is a mass movement of people who answer those who bray about their right to own guns with the even more emphatic response that we have a right not to be shot. Until that happens, events like [yesterday's] will be repeated at a sadly regular clip.

Full post here

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Charles Blow (NYT): …. How many more deaths and mass shootings will it take for Washington to begin to lead the country in a deeper conversation about sensible gun controls? What will it take for our politicians to take firm and principled positions on gun policies and stand up to the gun lobby in this country? Surely this is a moment that calls all of us to reckoning.

…. while gun control advocates grow more quiet, the gun lobby grows stronger and louder ….. “For gun rights groups, 2012 was the most active election cycle since 2000. They contributed a total of $3 million to candidates, 96 percent of them Republicans.” ….

…. Where are the voices for those who choose not to – or are not old enough to – own guns? Are the gunless to have no advocate? Will our politicians forever cower before the gun lobby?

Full article here

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From Cagle

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Morning everyone.


232 Responses to “Rise and Shine”


    • 2 proudmemberofglobalzero
      December 15, 2012 at 8:43 am

      Congrats of 1st Maryl1. Still can’t wrap my head around yesterday….or everyday at this point. I woke up and turned the TV on. It was on ABC and I turned it off. How many parents will ask their children to sit in front of a camera and relive their horrific experience. I don’t get the so called journalists that would even ask a parent to do this.

      • 3 amk for obama
        December 15, 2012 at 8:57 am

        where is the common sense of these parents ? It’s sickening to see the kids being ‘interviewed’.

        • December 15, 2012 at 8:59 am

          + 1,000,000,000 Rightly, the networks were hammered yesterday for interviewing children, but that their parents allowed it happen was unbelievable. People are so, so strange.

          • 5 sherijr
            December 15, 2012 at 9:14 am

            I think in this case it could be a combination of grief, shock & vulnerability. Media goes after people for ‘comment’ etc when folks are often at their least self-protective, imo… yesterday, what parent could have had time or the mental state even for rational thought. Media would have leaped at folks the second they arrived.

            • December 15, 2012 at 9:18 am

              I know what you mean sherijr, and it’s wrong for me to judge anyone in a situation that is unimaginable, I just found it very uncomfortable viewing, the parents should have been getting their kids home, away from the madness, instead of reliving the horror for media vultures.

              • 7 sherijr
                December 15, 2012 at 9:22 am

                I don’t disagree with you at all Chips… and having no teevee I of course have not viewed any of these interviews. I think unfortunately there are going to be folks who are drawn to the media, the attention, even in a scenario is horrific as yesterdays.. I agree sheilding their children should be their uppermost concern.

                g’ morning ~ very hard to feel ‘good’ this morning ~ take care & thank you for all that you do for us here.

              • 10 dotster3
                December 15, 2012 at 9:32 am

                I just think those parents were in such a state of shock trying to deal with such an imaginable horror, likely staying around to comfort friends and neighbors, that they weren’t making the best decisions in the moment when approached by reporters.
                But I can never figure out why any time there is some horrible tragic death, there are family members appearing on the Today Show the next morning, answering inane questions about how they feel.

    • December 15, 2012 at 8:52 am

      Morning Mary, morning everyone.

  1. 14 Starmm
    December 15, 2012 at 8:51 am

    I have no words, this is too sad a day

  2. 15 andogriff
    December 15, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Still reeling here. Living in Europe as we are, we see the disbelief and horror on the faces after yesterday, no one can believe that this has happened YET AGAIN in our country, and the idiots keep spouting nonsense (“We need MORE guns!”) and the NRA keeps paying congress blood money to keep out of the dialogue. President Obama can’t do this on his own. It is up to us now.

    • 16 prettyfoot58
      December 15, 2012 at 12:28 pm

      UP With Chris’ s program was very good this morning around this discussion of not only guns but gun violence…well worth watching …

  3. December 15, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Good article by Charles Blow, but he still looks at Washington as the be-all end-all. I think that the best-hearted advocates in D.C. and state legislatures won’t be able to do anything without an enormous outcry from the people. As he said in his article gun control groups contributed less and attitudes have shifted toward support for gun rights. He’s also correct in saying this is a white male problem, which is never mentioned. And I don’t think it’s because of political correctness. I think it is because individual white people don’t bear the burden of representing their entire race with their actions. They are allowed their individual and isolated motivations, whereas in many minds the actions of an African American or Latin@ is seen as representing their entire race or culture. This is also another area where people are totally resistant to factual arguments.

    • 18 EDP4BHO
      December 15, 2012 at 9:10 am

      Good points on the representation, maryl !!

    • 19 Bill
      December 15, 2012 at 9:39 am

      Referring to anything as a “white male problem” is dividing the country by race and gender. It is not helpful in solving the problem. I am white and male, neither by choice, and I detest guns. The Virginia Tech shooter was not a Caucasian. Making this a racial issue will not get to the causes of gun culture but only make the problem worse.

      • December 15, 2012 at 9:48 am

        Yes, I fully agree, and I am not blaming all white males. You are offended by being grouped with people who do terrible things simply because you are the same color. My point was that this happens to non-whites all the time. But I believe the majority of these shooters are young white males. As Charles Blow asks, what are we doing or not doing that causes or allows these young men to choose this way to deal with their problems.

        • 21 Bill
          December 15, 2012 at 10:03 am

          I am not offended, but only pointing out that making anything a racial and gender issue in 2012 is a mistake in solving a serious problem. Mental illness, poverty, and lack of education are far more critical than one’s race in addressing the gun culture. People from all races like guns. Going after “white males” is a losing approach and will create resentment and push back.

          • December 15, 2012 at 10:09 am

            I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. I think race is a part of whatever happens in the U.S. Yes, all those things you mentioned are critical. But poverty and lack of education may affect more non-whites than whites. If a doctor saw me regarding a health issue and said that me being a woman was irrelevant, I would take my business elsewhere.

            • 23 Bill
              December 15, 2012 at 10:25 am

              There are more whites on food stamps than non-whites. The Virginia Tech shooter was not white, and the Connecticut shooter’s mother was the gun nut in the family, neither a “white male”. Nevertheless, I suppose dividing us by race is still with us, but I do not understand how it solves our problems.

      • 24 prettyfoot58
        December 15, 2012 at 12:33 pm

        the issue of gun violence is not in and of itself a racial issue but how we look at the violence and our thoughts about the victims often are…as MHP pointed out….comments like,,,,This should not happen here….can imply that there are places where it should…

        take a look at the MHP program this morning…these issues are explored in a very thoughtful way….

  4. 25 hopefruit2
    December 15, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Good morning Chips, TOD, lurkers, everyone. Congrats Mary1 on #1.

    • 26 capricornrising
      December 15, 2012 at 11:27 am

      good morning chips, TOD, lurkers, hopefruit2,everyone. congrats mary1 on #1. {{{signed, “currently lurking”}}} ;)

  5. 27 dudette9t9
    December 15, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Good Morning Family. I ache with heavy heart. As we mourn, we must remember to take care of ourselves, so we can be strong for those who remain. Be well, be comforted, and know you are loved.

  6. 28 Ladyhawke
    December 15, 2012 at 9:08 am

    VIDEO: Why Are Gun Owners So Afraid of Obama?

    UP With Chris Hayes (MSNBC) – April 16, 2012

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    The four politicians the NRA fears the most are:

    – President Barack Obama
    – Justice Sonia Sotomayor
    – Attorney General Eric Holder
    – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

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    http://www.thenation.com/blog/167415/why-are-gun-owners-so-afraid-obama#

  7. 29 Ladyhawke
    December 15, 2012 at 9:12 am

    NRA SHARPENS POLITICAL ATTACK ON OBAMA

    October 17, 2012

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    Washington (CNN) – President Barack Obama’s vow Tuesday to try and ban assault weapons prompted the National Rifle Association to immediately modify its political advertising campaign against Obama in seven toss-up states.

    The NRA is spending $1.5 million on television commercials in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin and an additional $800,000 on online ads in the aforementioned states as well as Colorado, Iowa and Nevada each week, an NRA official tells CNN. The initial ads featured a broad theme that blamed Obama for the country’s debt, stated the nation’s sovereignty was threatened and warned that people’s rights were being attacked, including the Second Amendment during his presidency.

    But the NRA decided to focus the new ad campaign entirely on the people’s rights to defend themselves after Obama mentioned a ban on assault weapons during the second presidential debate.

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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/17/nra-sharpens-political-attack-on-obama/

    • 30 coop10
      December 15, 2012 at 4:32 pm

      The NRA knows exactly what it’s doing because these ads are dog whistles to Right Wing crazies, who’ll see the president as a threat. The NRA is playing dangerous now, but America can longer fear the NRA.We must act now and work for long lasting gun control.

  8. December 15, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Good morning, TODville. I’m leaving in a couple hours for a day at a relative’s vineyard in Napa, away from madness. I leave you with a bit of good news:

    Our dear Nelson Mandela has undergone a successful procedure to remove gall stones. May his recovery be swift and full.

  9. December 15, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Cathy McMorris Rodgers, newly appointed House Chairman republican caucus, said that now is not the time for gun control.
    Focus on that statement and that should give the Left something to chew on.
    Amazingly, all those White folk in front of the White House saying the black guy has to do something now on gun control. How is that for the Subconscious…
    Btw- the President cannot write an executive order on gun control, despite what Rep McCarthy tells you, their is an Amendment, originally from our Founding Fathers called the right to Bear Arms.
    That is a Broad description of weapons.
    You want to change that, it most come from Congress, not the WH,
    Finally, to all the Firebaggers that love to come out of the Woodwork( like after the first debate), and come hear and post nonsense about what the President should do, Go Away!

    • 40 dotster3
      December 15, 2012 at 9:39 am

      I saw Cathy McMorris Rodgers speak yesterday. She appears to be dumb as a sack of rocks, braindead actually. Clueless to the max. Who voted for her, and what could they possibly have been thinking?

    • December 15, 2012 at 9:43 am

      Executive order for this, executive order for that…..do people think Pres.Obama is going to be in office forever? When he entered office in 2009, PBO was reversing Bush’s executive orders left and right. We need a law.

      • 44 nathkatun7
        December 15, 2012 at 5:13 pm

        I totally agree. I also think we need to think long term. In my opinion the terror inflicted by lunatic gun owners can not be fully addressed until we enacted a Constitutional amendment (superseding the 2nd Amend) that outlaws individual ownership of military like assault weapons. To do this requires mobilizing and educating and the tenacity to keep at it for a very long time. With the amounts of assault weapons still out there, and the fact that we still have deranged people willing to use them, we have to be realistic that this problem of horrific and senseless gun violence cannot be solved instantly by one president, or even by a congressional law.

  10. 45 hopefruit2
    December 15, 2012 at 9:22 am

    • December 15, 2012 at 9:25 am

      Good! Now can we get behind the President on this choice?
      Please?

    • 47 sherijr
      December 15, 2012 at 9:27 am

      It may be so, but its an unnamed source, which I’m always somewhat suspicious of.

      • 48 hopefruit2
        December 15, 2012 at 9:33 am

        Yes we need to keep this in mind.

      • 50 amk for obama
        December 15, 2012 at 9:35 am

        Yup. It’s not the style of PBO to do such announcements at this terrible time. Fuck the msm and their ‘sources’.

      • December 15, 2012 at 9:48 am

        President Barack Obama has chosen Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to be the next secretary of state, a source has told Sun-Times columnist Michael Sneed.

        His replacement as head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will be Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, the Sneed source said.

        This comes on the heels of Thursday’s announcement that U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice had removed herself from the list of candidates to take over from Hillary Clinton.

    • 56 idon
      December 15, 2012 at 9:39 am

      Cool :) So now we have to work hard to get Deval Patrick elected the other SENATOR from MASS

      • December 15, 2012 at 11:55 am

        I think if we pay close attention we will be reminded that Deval Patrick specifically said he would serve out his term as Governor and then retire to the private sector. What we’re looking at now is that he’s been in talks with Vicki Kennedy who has ‘not ruled out the possibility’ of consenting to being appointed the interim Senator between now and the special election. BTW, this makes Elizabeth Warren the Senior Senator from MA.

  11. 58 hopefruit2
    December 15, 2012 at 9:26 am

    PBO was supposed to meet with Amb. Rice yesterday at 3:30PM. I guess that meeting didn’t happen because he was making a statement about the horrific shootings in CT.

    • December 15, 2012 at 9:32 am

      It was a 3 minute statement!

      • 60 hopefruit2
        December 15, 2012 at 9:35 am

        Not just the statement -he was probably busy making phone calls to federal, state and local CT authories. Directing the FBI, speaking to Malloy, getting updates about the victims, families, etc., cancelling his plans for next week, and so forth.

  12. 61 Left-Indie
    December 15, 2012 at 9:28 am

    God, I hope this doesn’t lead to a Sen. Brown again.

    • 62 dudette9t9
      December 15, 2012 at 9:33 am

      Ugh! I’m so sick of that talk. Why does everyone assume the people of MA WANT that fool back in the Senate?
      How about we do this, Democrats? Put up a strong candidate, run a smart campaign, fignt and win the damned seat!!

      • 63 amk for obama
        December 15, 2012 at 9:36 am

        Exactly. Warren beat him handsomely just a month back. So why all this afraidycat act from the left?

      • December 15, 2012 at 9:38 am

        Nope! Let’s blame the President for everything? Even 4.5 billion years ago, The Earth did not have water then. So, why didn’t President Obama make Water?
        The far left Firebaggers are a problem…

      • December 15, 2012 at 9:48 am

        RIght on Dudette. MA said hell no to a second term for him. He was running against a rookie for heaven’s sake and lost by 7 points. I could understand 1-2 points but 7 is a pretty strong message from the people that they don’t want you.

      • 66 anniebella
        December 15, 2012 at 10:02 am

        Thank you dudette9t9 for saying it exactly how I would have. If anyone remember that first woman, I can’t remember her name, who ran against Scott Brown was a weak candidate, plus she kept her distant from the President, I don’t recall him, or VP Biden coming to campaign for her, or FLOTUS. I don’t think Scott Brown will win if he even decides to run again.

      • 67 Left-Indie
        December 15, 2012 at 10:02 am

        I hear you on this Dudette, but consider this: in a state that is deep blue, at a time when liberals everywhere realized gops is just crazy obstructionists, AND president Obama was on the ballot, and we had a fiery true blue woman running against Brown, he still only lost by 7 points. Consider the flip side. Imagine back to ’04 George Bush on the ballot, in deep red Alabama, would there be any Dem that would come that close in challenging a conservative there? I doubt that.

        • December 15, 2012 at 10:19 am

          Massachusetts is center left, a lot of independents.

        • 69 dudette9t9
          December 15, 2012 at 10:57 am

          Oh Gee, you’re right! Let’s just give up and let him have the seat then, ‘cuz campaigning’s hard and, boohoo, some people might not vote for our side!

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          Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! Can you imagine where we’d be if Pres. Obama thought that way? I say we get off our asses and fight! This is why we’re in the situation we’re in now. Instead of standing up for what we believe in, we just whine and complain, then roll over and go to back to sleep.

          Who gives a shit that it was “only” 7 pts or 1 vote for that matter. Elizabeth Warren is now the Senator-Elect from Massachussetts. SHE WON! Scott Brown is a LOSER. Why? Because she had a clear message and ran a great campaign. Because people who believed in her message supported her and VOTED for her. It’s that simple.

          Let’s stop whining about the coulda/woulda/shouldas. We need to roll up our sleeves and DO THE WORK at hand NOW. I can assure you, the otherside is not sitting around lamenting the possibility that they COULD lose. They’re making plans and taking action (hence the hatchet job lead by Grampy McClain and others on Amb Rice). What are WE doing in response?

          I’ll tell you what I’m doing: IF and WHEN the seat comes open, I’ll be throwing my support and money behind whatever Democrat emerges as the candidate. How about you?

          • 70 debz
            December 15, 2012 at 11:50 am

            It is about time that everyone stops “blaming” the President for choosing qualified people for his cabinet. The continue to complain about Janet Nepolitano taken from AZ who was term limited, and now we hear complaints that “OMG John Kerry is being taken from MA, Scott Brown is going to be re-elected!!!!!” Who becomes the Senator to replace Kerry is entirely up to the voters in MA, if they are dumb enough to put Brown back into office, that is entirely on them, not POTUS. PBO wanted Kerry to be his SOS to begin with but had to chose Hillary instead. Kerry has made many overseas trips for POTUS during the past 4 years to deal with touchy situations, he is highly qualified and deserves the job.

            • 71 dudette9t9
              December 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm

              Agree with you on the hair-on-fire over choosing qualified people. The President will put the best people he can on his team. Candidates wherever they come from, do have a choice in what capacity they want to serve. If MA ends up having to find a replacement for the senate seat, so be it.

              I don’t know that Senator Kerry “deserves” the job anymore that Amb Rice might, but he’s certainly qualified and, hopefully, would serve the President well, if indeed he is PBO’s choice.

              However, PBO hasn’t been inaugurated to his 2nd term yet, the SoS job isn’t open yet and no announcement of a nomination has been put forth by the White House. There’s so much important work to do between now and then. I wish people would stay focused on what’s happening right now. We have tax & debt ceiling issues to address, a lot of people are still out of work, and a policy agenda to put into place. We can’t let the pundits and media us from that! Let’s HELP the President do what we put him there to do.

            • December 15, 2012 at 5:33 pm

              You’re right, of course. The same people in Arizona who complained about losing Janet Napolitano went ahead and re-elected Jan Brewer to a full term shortly afterwards. If the people of Massachusetts, who voted for Scott Brown the same year that Sen. Kennedy passed away after a lifetime of service to that state, decide to vote for him this time, then they will get what they vote for, and will dilute any effect that Elizabeth Warren will have for them in the Senate. People need to be held accountable for their vote, or the consequences of their lack of voting.

        • December 15, 2012 at 4:22 pm

          As I recall at the time, she didn’t seem very fiery, took it for granted, didn’t show up at sporting events (stupid I know), and just dind’t campaign very hard.

      • 75 nathkatun7
        December 15, 2012 at 5:20 pm

        Exactly, Dudette! Surely John Kerry is not the only Democrat in the entire state of Massachusetts who could defeat Brown.

    • December 15, 2012 at 9:35 am

      Think Kennedy, I thunk the President knows what he is doing.

    • 81 amk for obama
      December 15, 2012 at 9:42 am

      responsible gun ownership is an oxymoron.

    • 82 Nena20409
      December 15, 2012 at 9:52 am

      There is a report that Nancy Lanza or Lizza depends who is writing the story was not a tutor at the Sandy Elem. She had weapons when she knew she had a son who had mental issues? Something is really off on this story. And the son, Ryan has not spoken to Adam, the shooter in years. The father, Peter is divorced from the Mother and had been separated from her for many years.

      • 83 anniebella
        December 15, 2012 at 10:17 am

        And what I’m about to say is more about the sorry ass media, now I keep hearing what a peaceful safe town this place was. It’s such a wonderful place were everybody know everybody, you know what I’m saying, but if that is true will someone please explain to me why did the killer’s Mother have those weapons? Now I heard that the weapons belong to the killer’s Mother. Anyway I have nothing against people owning guns, but weapons like that don’t belong in the hand of ordinary citizens, those weapons are for the military. You won’t go hunting with one, if you want to protect your home or family, do you need those weapons? I don’t think so. And the NRA and it’s puppets from the Congress is remaining mighty silent.

        • 84 Nena20409
          December 15, 2012 at 10:58 am

          Unfortunately, some people have a fetish with firearms.

          It is not about hunting. It has become a Belief, and Ideology, a Religion, as part of a Culture. It is also about Control and the feeling of I can protect myself. Unfortunately, the stats of People getting killed by family members. My older sister always said: Dead Man don’t bite. Cold? Yes. But Nancy Lanza is unfortunately Now Gone……had she Known, would she have done it? We will never find out now.

      • December 15, 2012 at 11:02 am

        I agree that there are deeper issues here which may never be known. Mentally ill children can sometimes hold a parent emotionally hostage to many improbable acts. So many victims in ways we will never understand.

      • 86 nathkatun7
        December 15, 2012 at 5:29 pm

        I keep wondering if Nancy Lanza/Lizza had been a black woman in the inner city with all these guns whether people would be talking about her divorce status or the mental state of her 20 year old son who has just committed such a heinous act?

  13. December 15, 2012 at 9:41 am

  14. December 15, 2012 at 9:43 am

    This is a comment on my facebook feed:

    “It is time to look at ourselves, including the psychological roots of America’s pathological myth of the mountain man survivalist Davy Crocket cum modern citizen against totalitarian state of robotic super-villains. This kind of masculine ego roll play should stop when little boys outgrow the sincere belief that they can fly. The macho quest for validation through ridiculous weaponry is not the identical pathology to the one that leads to these slaughters, but it augments the later. It is time for America to get well emotionally and come of age emotionally, lest we all be trapped in a world of fantastic elementary school emotions that come to full expression of the rage of a thwarted immature ego with military grade compensation in weapons of war turned against– who else? Children. Why are schools such targets, because they are the emotional stage these killers arrested at.” -Charlotte Ellison

    • 97 EDP4BHO
      December 15, 2012 at 9:52 am

      Love it !

    • 98 dudette9t9
      December 15, 2012 at 9:58 am

      Brava!

    • 99 theo67
      December 15, 2012 at 5:54 pm

      Yes, this fallacy of the macho man is a problem, because it’s also unnecessary – and it speaks to the gender issues on the right. Remember, the men in that party degrade the women, and the women (in retaliation, IMO) belittle the masculinity of the men (remember all that “man up” crap we were hearing from the right in 2010). They are eating themselves alive, and it’s spilling over into the rest of society. It plays out in this gun play and the need for more and more violent shows and video games.

  15. 100 amk for obama
    December 15, 2012 at 9:47 am

    • 101 coop10
      December 15, 2012 at 4:45 pm

      Here’s what sets my teeth on edge. When these horrific events occur, which do way too often, those who are on the front lines are what’s now derisively known as “government workers.” And the very people who deride these public servants pay lip service to them by calling them heroes. What we have to understand is that teachers, firefighters, paramedics, policemen are necessary to ensure a civil society. So the next time you hear someone saying that we need to cut “government workers,” please remember who these people are, and what they do. They are the government, and the government is us. So we are them.

  16. December 15, 2012 at 9:48 am

    HuffinmymuffPost has a HUGE blaring red banner: ‘STILL IN SHOCK’ with a picture of one of the families. Mmmm……incomprehensible tragedy, and despicable violence on children in their community, less than 24 hours ago. Wow. ‘Still in Shock’. Such great journalism!

    IMBECILES. Makes me sick.

  17. December 15, 2012 at 9:51 am

    As the president begins to address this, you know that the threats on his life will rocket even higher than they have already. We need to keep a wall of blessings and protection around him and his family.

  18. 114 proudmemberofglobalzero
    December 15, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Well, yesterday I called all my reps. Today I wrote them Senators “Clarence William Nelson” otherwise know as Bill Nelson, Senator Marco, I won’t pay my personal bills, Rubio, and Rep Ted Deutch. They all got letters from me today! We have so many here that could do the same. Letters make a difference.

  19. 115 dotster3
    December 15, 2012 at 9:56 am

    I don’t like it when people say there is nothing that we can do about gun control, that it is too late, that there are too many guns in circulation that the problem is unsolvable. That is a despicable surrendering to the NRA, allowing the gun nuts to control our country and the quality of life here. If we can amass the will of the people, a fierce determination, we can begin to make the changes which are so desperately needed in this country. We can’t just say “too hard” again and make no effort, to allow this horrific shooting rampage to have no consequences. I am sick of all the usual arguments. I’m done with them. As we’ve looked the other way, the NRA and its devotees have been increasingly active, loosening gun laws in multiple states across the country, gaining power, ruining our country, as gun deaths have increased and mass shootings are happening on a regular basis. We need to stop it.

    • December 15, 2012 at 10:02 am

      It’s all about the Congress. Make it a major issue for 2014 and tell democrats to run on it.
      Otherwise, the tea bagger house will do nothing, they are very pro gun, it’s part of their ideology.

    • December 15, 2012 at 10:04 am

      We have solved big problems before, and a large part of this one is making it socially unacceptable to support unregulated guns, as well as strict and well-thought-out legislation.

    • 119 kathryn kivett
      December 15, 2012 at 10:10 am

      So agree…something can be done and it has got to come from Grassroots rising up….we do need a leader and of course I would like it to be PBO….. but……..what I would like from PBO is to go on National TV, give an address to the nation to get the conversation started and then unleash us…..and I agree with Congresswoman McCarthey(sp?) call it gun SAFETY not gun CONTROL….I do believe a movement that is not splintered but in unity can be started to outnumber the NRA…maybe the Brady campaign?……I just know that I, PERSONALLY need direction and I’m yours….My new passion being rekindled and I don’t think I am alone.

      • 120 nathkatun7
        December 15, 2012 at 5:44 pm

        “.we do need a leader and of course.” Kathryn, you could be that leader! Throughout our history, movements and leadership to change monumental problems this country has faced never came from the top.

    • 121 Nena20409
      December 15, 2012 at 10:11 am

      There something that we can do. But most of the time…..it is in the way issues are addressed. Mother’s Against Drunk Driving, Those who spoke up against cigarettes, Seat-belts, etc…..none started in Congress. The grassroots did and they built followers. The same is true here. It should start with the rights of all NOT to Be Shot.

    • 122 EDP4BHO
      December 15, 2012 at 10:18 am

      “We can’t just say “too hard” again and make no effort”

      Absolutely. All one needs to do is review the uprisings in Egypt and Libya when the people had had enough from tyranny. They fought with their boots against powerful weaponry…….and won. We can atleast fight with all the mechanics at our disposal.

  20. 124 desertflower
    December 15, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Morning.I’m still numb. My head is swimming with thoughts of sorrow, anger, fear. Will we have this conversation, or will we all just slip back into complacency again after spending countless days talking about how awful this is? Will we just move on to the next attention getting incident and leave this massacre on the back burner? This hit close to home for me. Ct is the state of my birth, and my children’s birth. It is where I grew up. I know this place, Sandy Hook.It wasn’t far from where my father lived and friend’s of ours lived there and their children went to school there and went to Newtown HS.This doesn’t happen in places like this.Maybe there is no safe place to live anymore.
    Politicians are bought and paid for by the NRA. Entrenched politicians that are now so beholden to the NRA for money and votes…forgetting that they work for the people that put them there, not the lobbyists of this powerful group.They vote from positions of fear. Fear from loosing the backing and money provided to their campaigns for supporting their warped sense of 2nd Amendment rights.Fear from loosing the next election to an even stauncher supporter of these rights and the NRA.
    If I hear another person talk about 2nd Amendment rights, without regard to living in the 21st century, with 312 million people now residing here, without the changing realities of THIS century vs the 18th century….I will fucking loose it! I have a suggestion. They can HAVE their guns, but they can’t be the automatic killing machines of today that can mow down more people in seconds than ever thought possible when the Constitution was written. They can have a musket.
    Fascinating read on what things we like “back in the day” http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_bellesiles_plby.html

    PLAYBOY: You suspected the image we have of a musket over every fireplace. When did you first begin to notice the missing guns?

    BELLESILES: My field is legal history. I am interested in how the law affects economic relations. I was studying probate records, the most complete records, the most complete record of property ownership in early America. They contain lists of absolutely everything that a person owned–scraps of metal, broken glasses, bent spoons, broken plows. Everything was recorded because it was important to these families how the inheritance was going to be divided, especially given how little property there was. While studying these probate records, I realized I was not seeing guns. They were supposed to be in every single home. when I looked at the frontiers of western Pennsylvania and northern New England, I found guns in only 10 percent of the probate records, and half of those guns were not in working order. Since then, I’ve read 11,150 probate records, samples over a 100-year period, and I have found guns in 13 percent of the probate records. Prior to 1850, the gun is just not there.

    PLAYBOY:

    What else did you look at?

    BELLESILES: States kept inventories of weapons. That also was shocking to me, a gun owner, I’d always thought the guns weren’t registered. We don’t want the government to know who has guns and where. So I was surprised to find all the governments regularly took a census of firearms. They sent the constables door-to-door to ask, “What guns do you have? What condition are they in?” They felt is was essential to know who had guns, and how usable they were. There was no opposition. I wanted just one sentence, someone who thought it was wrong. But no one in any legislative record complained about the gun census.

    PLAYBOY: How many guns did the states find in the census?

    BELLESILES: It depends on the state. In the Colonial period, there were only enough guns for about one and a half to two percent of the populace. But individual surveys are revealing: At the end of the 17th century, Maryland legislatures tabulated the weaponry they had on hand. They found 20 muskets, 38 carbines, 16 bayonets, 16 swords, 56 fuses, 16 horse pistols and 78 barrels of powder accumulated over the previous 25 years but never used. Not a formidable array of weapons. By 1768, the inventory had grown, listing 200 muskets, 86 carbines and six pistols in usable condition. Another 400 muskets were “very rusty” or “without locks and not worth repairing.” The Colonial legislature collected all these arms and put them in storage for safekeeping.

    PLAYBOY: Who was allowed to own guns?

    BELLESILES: Only white male Protestant property owners. Not indentured servants. Not slaves. Not Indians. Not Catholics. All the legislatures of the colonies passed laws controlling access to firearms, as well as the use of firearms. They reserved the right to seize weapons in times of emergencies, to hand them out to those better able to use them. Colonies forbade the use of firearms in connection with drinking or “entertainments.” The frivolous shooting of a musket during a time of emergency was punishable by death. There were laws about how large the weapons could be, the size of the shot, the quality of powder. All of this was regulated, and continued to be after the Second Amendment was passed. I assumed that all gun laws would vanish, but they accelerated.

    I now live in a state that in order to own a gun, the only prerequisite is that you can breathe. No training,no background check, no nothing. And I’m supposed to feel “safer”. I don’t. Trust me, I don’t. When i have to tell myself and my children before they go out at night to “just assume that everyone has a gun.” WTF kind of thing is THAT to say? We don’t need to have conversations anymore….the disagreement will be determined by gun barrel.

    Can’t have money for education, healthcare,Medicare, Medicaid, SS…but, by God, don’t take my gun away!!!!!!!!! Americans need to wake up, and wake up real soon….because the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.So far, we are the poster child of STUPID.

    • 125 desertflower
      December 15, 2012 at 10:17 am

      From Think Progress:

      But I really want someone who advocates against gun control to balance the scales for me, to go ahead and try to explain to me why the inconvenience suffered by gun owners and prospective gun owners under much tighter restrictions on the purchase of guns and ammunition outweighs the death of children in their classrooms, a place where they’re not just supposed to be safe, but to thrive. Explain to me why their suffering is worse than that of the people who died, and lost family members, in the rampage at Aurora, Colorado, where they were drawn to a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises out of enthusiasm, because it’s a time when parents with infants can see a movie and trust that they’ll sleep through the screening. Please, balance out for me, the loss of Gabby Giffords’ potential with impatience at a waiting period, or frustration at not being able to fire a certain number of bullets per minute. Because this is the choice we make, every time. And I’m terrified to watch us make it again.

      Yeah. I’m wondering that, too.

      • 126 EDP4BHO
        December 15, 2012 at 10:30 am

        Thanks df for the info. Maryl1 touched on this a bit upthread, the part about the absolute right of the gun owners i.e. only white men, at that time as you noted. The history bears witness today as the so-called freedom has proliferated into unreasonableness.

  21. 127 Nena20409
    December 15, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Just trying to understand here. All our lives, we are told to speak up and speak out and not let things stored away, or be bottled In. Why? It could lead to depression, anxiety, the inability to cope, shame, suicide, long term substance abuse etc.

    When problems are talked out, discussions freely discussed, almost always, it leads to defining the issue, developing a strategy and eventually, when done right solving the problem.

    Last when death and trauma are involved, we all deal with them differently. But one thing is always consistent. We tell those who are grieving to communicate as much as possible. Support them We all must. Listen, We all should.

    Other than praying and sending my thoughts to those in CT, I sincerely want then to express themselves in any shape or form.

    • December 15, 2012 at 11:12 am

      I agree with you wholeheartedly. My only wish is that the dialogue about those bottled up feelings could start before the final word expressed as a mass killing and not after.

    • 129 theo67
      December 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm

      I agree – I think some of these adults were allowing themselves to be interviewed because it was the way they could cope with the disaster. I don’t agree with letting the kids be interviewed – they could talk to their parents and counselors. But, I think the parents were in shock, and talking about the tragedy was a way to deal with it. I don’t think they were seeking the limelight.

  22. 130 amk for obama
    December 15, 2012 at 10:15 am

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  24. 133 dotster3
    December 15, 2012 at 10:17 am

    I see Michael Isikoff on msnbc reporting that a friend of the shooter’s mother said she was a real gun nut, that she loved her guns and to go to the shooting range and fire off those guns and would take her son with her, the sick one, who ended up using that skill to mow down a bunch of kids yesterday. Too simple I know, but we beget what we sow.

  25. 135 donna dem 4 obama
    December 15, 2012 at 10:18 am

    What an absolute horror! I was completely offline yesterday due to some minor surgery yesterday. Once the anesthesia wore off last night I had to face this awful reality. CTGirl, my heart breaks for you, your family and for your friends loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you all.

    There are no words that I can write to describe what those poor families that loss their babies yesterday are going through. It is the unthinkable, the unimaginable and this morning they awake to realize it wasn’t just a bad dream but that their child really was indeed stuck down by a senseless, crazed act. And those innocent kids that survived have now been forever scarred by witnessing this heinous terrorist act.

    On Monday I will be contacting Rep. Donna Edwards and my two US Senators (Cardin and Mikulski) to ask them to work with the President to begin to lay the groundwork for some serious legislation on gun control and mental health issues in our Nation. Dems are not innocent in this debacle. Much more can be and should be done and our Democratic leaders have been somewhat reluctant to prioritize this issue but the scab has now been ripped off this sore and now is the time to act.

    Gun shops selling guns like hotcakes after the election cuz “Obama is gonna take your guns, so stock up”. This is exactly what’s wrong with our society. Sometimes I feel just like the country has gone to hell in a handbasket. Far too often the values of the Right have been framed in such a way as to convince the public that their most outrageous views (anyone having access to all types of weapons) should be considered the norm. I give full credit to Fox News, Conservative Talk Radio and the stupid, crazy RWNJ’s in Congress and the Senate.

    Why anyone would need to have an assault weapon with hundreds of rounds of ammo especially in a country where mental illness is treated as a passing phase simply leaves me speechless.

    As one of my sons who is an Army Vet said many weeks ago when we had a discussion about gun rights he put it simply by saying, “guns are meant to do one thing and one thing only and this is to kill”. If you are carrying it for protection you do so hoping that you get to kill the person before they kill you. If you carry it for sport, you do so to take that deer or varmint (ala Mitt Romney) live. Guns in the hands of humans will kill. As a society we have to look into our inner most being and ask ourselves exactly where is our value set when it comes to the safety and security of our Nation.

    Once again, I thank President Obama for comforting the Nation in our hour of sadness. I trust that he will be working with Congress to ensure that common sense is applied to gun laws while upholding the rights afforded us in the Constitution to “bear arms”.

    May God give peace to all for their loss.

    • 136 Nena20409
      December 15, 2012 at 10:34 am

      I hope you are doing well too, Donna.

    • 137 EDP4BHO
      December 15, 2012 at 10:36 am

      Donna, I agree with your son. He’s sensible and cut right through the crap about guns. They are for “killing”, certainly not to swat a fly with. I actually woke up this morning with tears in my eyes. It’s just too much. I watched my boss yesterday to sense any emotion after the news since he just returned from his 2-week annual hunting trip. Hhmm. I am so sure he doesn’t need wild game to put on his table.

    • 138 theo67
      December 15, 2012 at 6:12 pm

      Speedy recovery from your surgery, Donna. For some reason, waking up this morning made the reality of this tragedy just sink in, and feel even more horrific, because you just know that there were parents who woke up thinking maybe the whole thing had been a nightmare, only to find that it was a horrible reality that they now had to deal with. One rabbi said that he tried to comfort one mother who lost her only son and kept repeating “how will I live without my baby”; he just tried to get her to just survive the moment, and not try to plan out her whole life. It’s just unimaginable.

  26. December 15, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I have a question, and it’s just a question?

    Is BWD a Firebagger? If so what happened?

    • 140 anniebella
      December 15, 2012 at 10:30 am

      What’s a firebagger?

    • 143 Nena20409
      December 15, 2012 at 10:43 am

      No.

      I left DKos mostly in 2009. Why? Their treatment against BWD. Labeling people when we disagree is Not ever helpful. Difference of opinions no matter how difficult should never be divisive amongst friends. Those who have her e-mail, write to her and talk it out….at least understand where she is coming from.

      We all have our ways of dealing with things. PBO is not King. We have 3 branches of gov’t. We also have a divide nation where those who are objecting to the presidency of Pres Obama have some racial issues. So if we want the president to thrive, then we need to act in this case as MADD. United we succeed.

    • 144 theo67
      December 15, 2012 at 6:18 pm

      Maybe we should just leave BWD to work through her own struggle right now. We all know that Chipsticks is her friend, and I think it’s disrespectful to keep bringing slamming comments about her here, on Chipsticks’ blog. We have an option not to read or participate in things we don’t agree with, so why don’t we just do that.

  27. December 15, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Chips, may I request a picture for first? I know just the one I want. It’s a picture of PBO holding a baby close, really cuddling him. The baby is in profile and he’s almost a newborn – very small. They may be in a high school gym or something? And I think he met this family again when the baby was a year old and had another picture. I just want to see our president holding that baby so protectively again.

  28. 146 anniebella
    December 15, 2012 at 10:28 am

    I am not going to jump all over President Obama and blame him for everything, not like some have. I will be starting to write my Senators, Congress people, Mayor, Gov. all of them will get a letter from me.

  29. December 15, 2012 at 10:31 am

    You know how they have Mothers against Drunk driving-MADD?

    Well, what about starting a new group? Mothers against Assault weapons?

  30. 150 desertflower
    December 15, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Comment from BJ worth considering:

    Martin Says:

    A different approach here is to address the problem without banning guns – because clearly that’s become a political bridge too far. And I don’t think it’s necessary. Instead, draw a parallel between gun ownership and car ownership.
    Propose:
    A) Every gun owner must go through the expected background check and waiting period before being able to buy and operate a gun. Training could be included, but that’s negotiable. That license needs to be renewed annually. If during that period you’re convicted of a felony or commit a gun infraction, you lose your right, you lose your license, and you have to forfeit your guns (selling them, transferring ownership, etc. – not confiscate).
    B) Every gun must be registered and its ownership tracked at the federal level. If you want to gift or sell your gun, you must ensure the recipient is licensed and do the paperwork to transfer the ID to the new owner. This is no different than what we do for cars. There needs to be an annual renewal process for each gun, to illustrate that you still have it in your possession – not unlike getting a car inspected, but much less onerous. If you lose possession of a gun or improperly transfer it, you lose your license and the right to own a gun. All guns currently owned must get registered. Any gun that isn’t within the first year becomes a rogue weapon and possession would carry a penalty, including the loss of the right to carry a weapon in the future.
    C) Due to B above, it’s presumed that all firearms will be properly secured either in a gun safe, with a trigger lock, or a biometric trigger lock integrated in the gun. I don’t believe the last one exists, but the technology certainly does. It’s feasible, just not implemented. If a gun is appropriated that wasn’t properly secured, then the owner is at least partially liable for anything that happens with that gun. If the gun is taken out of the top of a closet and used to commit the crime, then the original owner is partially responsible for that act.
    D) Automatic and semi-automatic weapons would remain legal, but require an additional permitting process to own whereby the owner would need to justify the need for such a weapon. So, still legal, but legal with cause. All other guns are legal without cause – pistols, rifles, shotguns. Anyone without this additional permit caught with an auto or semi-auto gun (including a weapon modified to these categories) would lose all rights to gun ownership.
    Basically, guns remain legal – including things like assault rifles (to a limited degree), but they must be tracked, secured, and improper use leads to loss of rights. That’s reasonable, and consistent with the Constitution. The NRA and the nutters will freak out, but no sensible person will take particular issue with these items because they aren’t any different than the laws for auto ownership or even dog ownership. There are national dog lojack registries, if your dog attacks someone, the owner is liable – owners are responsible for securing their pet and protecting the public from them. Guns should be no different.

    • 151 nathkatun7
      December 15, 2012 at 6:12 pm

      Those are vey sensible gun control measures. The U.S. Supreme Court pretty much ruled that the government can’t interfere with the right to own guns because that right is protected by the 2nd Amend. So all the government can do is try to impose some sensible measures to reduce the possibility of deranged people being armed with military weapons that inflict mass killings. In my humble opinion, people who are serious about eliminating assault weapons should consider the route of a Constitutional amendment that still allows regulated ownership of all other types of guns but totally bans individual ownership of assault weapons. This will, of course, take a very long time to pull off. But with education and mobilization, It can be done.

  31. December 15, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Good morning all. What a sad, sad day. My thoughts and prayers are with all affected by the shooting. In fact, we are all affected by this tragedy.

  32. 153 anniebella
    December 15, 2012 at 10:40 am

    We know exactly what this President have been dealing with from the Republicans, do anyone with any common sense think they would have passed any bill over gun control.There would have been Democrats joining the Republicans because some of them are also in the hip pocket of the NRA..

  33. 154 hopefruit2
    December 15, 2012 at 10:41 am

    And this is what I mean when I say that PBO has ZERO allies on either side in congress. This “Dem” from NY expresses her sole agenda from this tragedy.

    • 155 EDP4BHO
      December 15, 2012 at 10:45 am

      Puh-lease. This person thinks too highly of herself. You don’t just “embarrass” PBO. She needs to sit her ass back a bit before she gets a beat down. I wonder if she’s on the NRA donate list.

      • 156 hopefruit2
        December 15, 2012 at 10:49 am

        She’s not on the NRA donate list, but as you said, her petty/juvenile desire to “embarrass” PBO will backfire big time.

        • 157 Puddin'
          December 15, 2012 at 10:49 pm

          She should ask Maxine Waters about so called “embarass” PBO. Last year Maxine tried to “loud” talk PBO (to every news outlet who would have her on)…Carolyn should ask Maxine why she got quiet all of a sudden?

      • 158 donna dem 4 obama
        December 15, 2012 at 10:55 am

        Her husband was brutally shot and killed and her son was injured on a commuter train in NY in the 90’s at the hands of a crazed gunman. She has advocated strong gun control laws for many years. I’m sure this incident yesterday has brought those horrible memories back. I don’t agree with the political gamesmanship she’s playing here but I understand that she wants to “strike while the iron is hot” on this issue. I just wish people would stop trying to control President Obama. Why doesn’t she call the man and ask him to put together a commission and try and find a way to loosen the grip of the NRA on Congress so that we can get something done on this issue. Dems are so stupid playing right into the medias hands of pitting one against the other all for the controversy of it. Instead of working within the system to accomplish a common goal she decided to “embarrass the President”. Senseless!!!

        • 159 sherijr
          December 15, 2012 at 11:02 am

          well said Donna.

        • 160 dudette9t9
          December 15, 2012 at 11:25 am

          Thank you donna!

        • 161 Puddin'
          December 15, 2012 at 11:07 pm

          Carolyn McCarthy has been serving since 1997 and we still don’t have gun control…so instead of “embarassing” PBO, she and everyone need to work harder. Gun control is not the only solution to stopping the violence…we need to end proverty, we need better schools for all of our childred (not just the priviledged), we need better quality foods/healthy foods accessible and affordable for all of our children, we need quality health care for everyone and we better/more acessible mental health care for everyone. Gun control is one aspect, but we need all hands on deck working towards safety for everyone…we don’t need to waste time and energy embarrassing PBO.

    • 162 Nena20409
      December 15, 2012 at 10:51 am

      Constructive verbiages? No. On Monday Rep McCarthy would here from me.

      Tone, and tact are how progress is made. MLK was not always gingerly with JFK or LBJ. To agitate is great when grassroots are doing it. Coming from an elected official? Truly idiotic.

      If that was what Jovie was writing about yesterday, then I agree with the word “stupid”…..I prefer fatuously bat poop, though.

    • 165 anniebella
      December 15, 2012 at 10:56 am

      I will be sending her a email you can bet on that. I think she has some dam nerve. Maybe we need to remind her who’s the President.

      • 166 anniebella
        December 15, 2012 at 11:01 am

        I didn’t care for what she said, not one bit. She isn’t the only one who have lost loved ones due to gun violence. I know plenty who have too, but I feel their is away to handle things and disrespecting our President isn’t the way. No I don’t care for what she said, not one dam bit.

    • 167 ouapiti
      December 15, 2012 at 10:59 am

      Here are her full comments. Taken in context it doesn’t seem so bad — we do need people who are willing to keep this at the top of the agenda and not let it fade away as our horror does. Although it should be done to support the President in his efforts, not to embarrass him.
      ———————
      In the wake of the deadly Connecticut school shooting, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy said she has warned the White House “the gloves are off” if President Obama fails to act on the issue.

      McCarthy (D-N.Y.), the foremost gun control advocate in Congress, said she spoke with White House Chief of Staff Jack Lew before Election Day and told him she will exert pressure on the White House to push for gun control legislation.

      “I said, ‘Jack, I know the president is going through an election and I’m telling you after the election I’m coming out full force,’” McCarthy told POLITICO Friday. “I was just giving the White House a heads up that the gloves are off on my side and I was going to do everything I possibly could. … If that meant embarrassing everybody, that’s what I would do.”

      Embarrassing the White House, McCarthy said, meant building a large-scale public campaign to ban assault weapons. She pledged to continue to work with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and others to build support for her cause.

      “I want to talk to the White House. I know that they can’t give me an answer tonight, but I want to know what they’re going to do. I need to know what they’re going to do.”

      The Connecticut school shooting sent TV bookers and reporters seeking out McCarthy, a Democrat just elected to her ninth term whose husband was killed and son severely injured in a 1993 mass shooting on the Long Island Rail Road. She has long sought to pass gun control legislation, most recently fighting to enact laws forbidding high-capacity gun clips like ones used in past mass shootings.

      It’s not yet clear if similar clips were used in the Friday massacre.

      McCarthy said she was pleased with Obama’s somber tone in his four-minute White House statement acknowledging Friday’s incident, but said action should have been taken long ago.

      “I agree, this is not the time to talk about (gun control),” she said. “It should have been talked about years ago when we started having these mass shootings. It should have been done when Gabby Giffords was shot.”

      • 168 hopefruit2
        December 15, 2012 at 11:06 am

        Her approach still comes off as inappropriate and glib. Why does she think that building a campaign to ban assault weapons is tantamount to “embarrassing the White House?” Doesn’t she realize that Obama is actually FOR a ban on assault weapons? Is she more interested in making this about PBO and the WH more than anything or anyone else? She indirectly praises Bloomberg, but what exactly has Bloomberg done to decrease the number of fatalities by abuses of firearms? Looks like misplaced anger to me.

        • 169 Nena20409
          December 15, 2012 at 11:41 am

          Well, in their NY world…..No disrespect to many NYers, stopping and harassing young men of color is their way. Horrible. Bloomberg has a media empire and he has billions, how about he using some of the millions to build a true movement on educating people about guns and getting legislation passed? KOCH brothers have ALEC and stuff. With Bloomberg’s media empire, he could go places as the saying goes.

      • 170 lisalovesobama
        December 15, 2012 at 12:36 pm

        Not to belittle her loses, but she’s ridiculous. Why hasn’t she been building a coalition in congress all this time? Why is she laying this at the feet of the president? Why doesn’t she do her damned job and stop waiting for him to do it for her? Her and Bloomberg are two peas in a pod. They both need to take a hike.

      • 171 majiir
        December 15, 2012 at 5:58 pm

        I will take her seriously when she goes after the members of Congress who place the NRA and other pro-gun lobbyists before the American people. Until she is willing to do that, she’s blowing smoke. As a member of Congress, she is aware of the negative attitude that many, on both sides of the aisle, have toward anything PBO suggests, and she knows that he can do nothing unless Congress acts first. The members of Congress are the ones she should be hellbent on embarrassing.

    • 172 sherijr
      December 15, 2012 at 11:00 am

      so she’s just been elected to her 9th term in Congress.. and has been a gun control advocate all that time.. but still has not succeeded in her goals… YET she expects President Obama to do the job she was unable to.. or she’ll embarrass him. She’s embarrassing herself.

      • 173 FiredUpInCA
        December 15, 2012 at 11:20 am

        The rules in Washinton, D.C.:

        When Congress wants something from the President, he is a King who can force change and it should have been done yesterday.

        When the President wants something from Congress (closing Guantanamo, immigration reform), we have to wait and see, and hem and haw, and water down and wait and possibly a committee can be formed to consider the President’s request after they return from recess.

        • 174 sherijr
          December 15, 2012 at 11:29 am

          yep, you said it right FiredUp. I’m extremely SICK of folks in Congress whining about/to POTUS as if they have zero power to change things. HE has been instructing them how for 4 years now… if they’d ORGANISE people- talk to people in an effort to get folks to pressure their counterparts in Congress – to sign on to a bill- possibly they’d get shit done instead of crying to or about ‘daddy’ all the time.

        • 175 nathkatun7
          December 15, 2012 at 6:25 pm

          Well said, FiredUpInCA!

        • 176 theo67
          December 15, 2012 at 6:26 pm

          This is true. There is only one President, who is ready with his pen to sign legislation that helps and protects the American people, but there are 535 people standing in his way – and they live in Congress.

    • December 15, 2012 at 11:05 am

      See? She is in cahoots with Bloomberg! This would not happen if she liked the President and were friends. Obviously, that is not the case.

  34. 180 Bill R.
    December 15, 2012 at 10:56 am

    The President has no power to do anything about gun control without broad congressional and public support. With one house of Congress committed to expanding access to guns and ammo and with a Supreme Court that has ruled against every attempt by local authorities to control guns and ammo, this kind of attack on the President is counter productive. This is going to be a long term movement, because believe me, the GOP Congress is not going to do a thing. For the President to attempt something when there is no support will only mean failure and a failure that prevents the likelihood of further action. Remember this, the city of Washington DC had the most thorough gun control laws in the country, no handguns at all, no assault rifles, period. The SCOTUS struck it down.

    • 181 COS
      December 15, 2012 at 11:29 am

      Sometime these folks in congress act like they don’t know the rules of congress. As a member, I beleive she has the right to sponsor bills and get things started, instead of bullying the White House. While I am sure she has good intentions, this is bullying language and it rubs me the wrong way.

    • 183 nathkatun7
      December 15, 2012 at 6:35 pm

      Thanks Bill for mentioning the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court struck down D.C. gun control laws. In doing so the Court re-affirmed individual right to own guns under the 2nd Amendment. Other appellate courts have done the same on the basis of Supreme Court rulings. I am sorry, but until we find away of going around the 2nd Amend. the issue of gun control is beyond the power of the President and may even be beyond the power of Congress. I think the most effective way to deal with this is through a long and tedious process of amending the Constitution to at least outlaw individual ownership of military style assault weapons.

  35. 184 dotster3
    December 15, 2012 at 11:01 am

    And since Michael Eric Dyson brought it up——–attention also needs to be focused on the negative effects of video games and rap. There has been reporting that the shooter was “a gamer”, almost the only known thing about him. I have often thought about this—–the negative effects of our kids sitting for hours playing video games, shooting at targets, human and otherwise, desensitizing those young brains, training them to “kill”. How any parent could think this is a good thing is beyond me. And it is my opinion that much of rap has had the same horrible effects—–the lyrics glorifying guns and shootings and violence. I think rap has been horrible for the black population, horrible for our entire young population. also desensitizing to violence. Not everyone is negatively affected but there is a vulnerable segment who are.

    • 185 hopefruit2
      December 15, 2012 at 11:11 am

      There is a whole culture of violence among young men in our society – video games, rap music, heavy metal, and yes, the media-instigated and enabled atmosphere of “anger” at society – Gangstas, Teabaggers, Occupiers, Firebaggers. If you look underneath you will observe a common thread – a worship of gun culture and the freedom to use violence to achieve one’s goals, accompanied by a perpetual state of intolerance and dissatisfaction with others and society at large.

    • 186 LDS
      December 15, 2012 at 12:12 pm

      Okay. I agree, but let’s not forget about Hard Rock……let’s be fair here. If we are going negative effects, let us go all the way. Do not single out one group or groups and not others.
      And I just have to say, where is the blame on the killer’s mother? Yes, she is not here to say exactly what she feels, but why would you keep those guns around a mentally emotional disturbed person?
      We are blaming a lot of people here and rightly so, but what was she thinking…….or not?

  36. 187 desertflower
    December 15, 2012 at 11:11 am

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/14/the-shooting.html

    I just saw a tweet from HuffPo’s Ryan Grim that read: “Gun control advocates — or anti-massacre activists — will be holding a direct-action protest at the White House at 4:30 today.” That’s good. Anti-massacre activists. That’s a name-change I wholly endorse. We are living through a slaughter. The Washington Post noted this afternoon that of the 12 deadliest attacks in US history, six–six–have occured in the last five years. We are living in an era of slaughter. I admit to having thrown up my own hands against the NRA, arguing that they have too much power and it wasn’t worth the risk to take them on. I’m done with that. We’re living in a fucking abbatoir, now drenched in the blood of little children. We have to do something.

    • December 15, 2012 at 11:15 am

      It should be directed to Congress. This just makes them feel good, or better that they ate yelling and screaming at the President.
      It’s stupid and does nothing to push the ball forward.

      • 189 Lovepolitics2008
        December 15, 2012 at 1:32 pm

        Agreed. Protested should be staged in front of Congress. And IN FRONT OF NRA HEADQUARTERS. And, in each State, in front of every office of representatives and senators who are against gun control.

        Protesting in front of the White House is just another instance of asking “daddy” to make bad things go away, as if he had magical powers.

        Side note: yesterday, for the first time ever, I sensed that President Obama was discouraged. He has navigated through one of the most difficult and complexed presidencies ever in his first term, and has been hit with obstruction, hate and viciousness month after month, year after year. After a grueling campaign which he won, he’s still (!) in a battle against the republican’s crazy economic theories. He’s dealing with very volatile situations on the global stage. And now THIS. A lesser man would have been destroyed a long time ago. But even he has limits. He’s not Superman.

        • 190 hopefruit2
          December 15, 2012 at 3:32 pm

          I didn’t sense discouragement – I sensed genuine grief for the families of those little children. He hinted at a solid resolve with his “meaningful action” comment.

        • 191 theo67
          December 15, 2012 at 6:30 pm

          I sensed frustration that he was having to make this same speech yet again, at the cost of little lives not lived long enough.

    • 192 hopefruit2
      December 15, 2012 at 11:18 am

      “I admit to having thrown up my own hands against the NRA, arguing that they have too much power and it wasn’t worth the risk to take them on”

      Oh I see…Why does the NRA have so much power? Who has given them all this power? And the author will play it safe and not take any risks, but he wants President Obama should bear all the risks while the author safely blogs in the behind comfort and privacy of his work computer…

      • 193 Obama Grandmama
        December 15, 2012 at 1:38 pm

        We had the Clackamas Mall Shooting here in Oregon this week too. I was riding with others to go to a Xmas Party on Wed. before we had the school shooting. The mall shooting came up and the driver was an NRA member and ended the conversation about some sort of gun control with crazies will just get some other way to kill people.
        Afterwards I decided I need to have a quick response for that when it is said as most all agreed with him on that line. I am not always able to counter everything said quickly on the spot then think about what I should have said for hours more. In the future I need to say, “Yes! But it may mean it slows the killer down and not as many are killed.”
        I also heard that there was a rampage in China the same day as the Newtown shooting that involved a man with a knife. He was able to cut 22 people but most were injured not killed.

        • 194 theo67
          December 15, 2012 at 6:32 pm

          That’s the answer. Taking guns out of the equation give people a fighting chance to save their lives. You can fight against a knife or a set of bare hands or a bat or whatever. You still might not make it, but at least you have a fighting chance. A bullet? No chance.

    • 195 Nena20409
      December 15, 2012 at 11:47 am

      In 2004…..GW Bush refused to extend the Assault Weapon ban. It was passed by Congress. Bush vetoed it. I see a link there. Since 2005 with FL, Stand Your Ground was born. Even in MN, the passed a Conceal and Carry. MN has had at least 2 mass killings since then.

    • 196 nathkatun7
      December 15, 2012 at 7:11 pm

      Why hold a direct-action protest at the White House? Is this another blame President Obama for the massacres? Why not hold the protest at the U.S. Supreme Court which has struck down local gun control laws, such as those of Washington, D.C.? Why not hold the protest at Capital Hill where the Congress refused to renew the ban on assault weapons? Why, of all places, are they not holding a massive direct action protest at the corporate headquarters of NRA, the principal organization championing uncontrolled gun ownership? I am sick and tired of fake progressives who expect the President to do everything. Instead of going out to mobilize and organize the grass-roots to convince the vast majority of Americans to support gun control legislation these protestors just want to be on T.V. throwing a tantrum at a President who pretty much supports the same cause.

      I am as outraged as any one at the horror inflicted on those children and their teachers. The pain that their parents and loved ones are going through is truly beyond my comprehension although I’ve personally known the pain of loosing a child. But the fact that I am outraged should not be an excuse for me to attack the President, who, probably more than any one else, is shouldering the heavy burden of trying to bring comfort to the parents and relatives who lost loved ones and also to the whole country in shock.

      To be honest, I am angry at those protesting at the White House. This should be a time for mourning and not protesting. I am sorry to say, but I regard this protest as pure grandstanding. This is using a horrific tragedy as an excuse to pile on the President. There is absolutely nothing President Obama could have done as President to prevent this “massacre.” ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! So what’s the purpose of protesting at the white House? I am sure the NRA, and those members of Congress who do its bidding, are happy to see the rage about what happened yesterday directed at the President who they are convinced is intent on confiscating all their guns.

  37. December 15, 2012 at 11:13 am

    These are House Democrats???

    Democrats: Put Obama’s Medicare board on the table
    Elise Viebeck
    12/15/12 10:05 AM ET
    The healthcare law’s controversial Medicare board should be on the table in deficit-reduction talks, House Democrats say.…

    -/
    You guys still like both sides of the Aiske in Congress? OMG! The vast majority of them are in it for themselves.

  38. 198 Bill R.
    December 15, 2012 at 11:15 am

    • 199 sherijr
      December 15, 2012 at 11:16 am

      retweeted Bill, excellent.

    • December 15, 2012 at 11:18 am

      It’s crazy. I hate to tell you guys this, but if he was White like Bill Clinton would this yelling at him be going on?

      In fact, did she yell at Bill Clinton during Columbine massacre?

      • 201 sherijr
        December 15, 2012 at 11:26 am

        now that jovie would be a very good thing to research & find out just what her statement at that time was.

      • 202 nathkatun7
        December 15, 2012 at 7:22 pm

        Jovie, I think you pose a very good question. I certainly know for certain there were no “direct action activists” holding ” protest rallies at the WH” following the Columbine massacre or the Virginia Tech. massacre. I also don’r remember Rep. McCarthy yelling at, or promising to embarrass, either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush. I am just sick of these Democrats who have no qualms attacking President Obama instead of focusing on the real culprits.

    • 203 hopefruit2
      December 15, 2012 at 11:18 am

      RT’D! :)

    • 204 dudette9t9
      December 15, 2012 at 11:58 am

      Tweet perfection!

    • 205 nathkatun7
      December 15, 2012 at 7:14 pm

      Excellent tweet, Bill R! I am sorry but there is so much disconnect among the so called progressives.

  39. December 15, 2012 at 11:19 am

    WTF (Boehner orders Capitol flags at half staff) News org. are reporting this crap
    Boehner and some news paper and station think boehner is potus

    • December 15, 2012 at 11:26 am

      The media is really doing a job on the president during this and the Rice situation.
      I see they are going to Blame the President in everything that happens, even subtly or subliminal messaging.
      Is that the MSM job, to rag on the President as if he is Jerrel from Krypton.

      • 208 theo67
        December 15, 2012 at 6:35 pm

        In four years, President Obama gets to go live out the rest of his life, however way he chooses. It will be up to the people of this country to protect whatever gains he manages to enact. And to overcome the negative effects of th media.

  40. 209 Bill R.
    December 15, 2012 at 11:25 am

    • December 15, 2012 at 11:28 am

      And when that happens you belong in an institution. Society is at risk with Socio paths and Personality disorder People.

      • 211 theo67
        December 15, 2012 at 7:43 pm

        You can thank Ronald Reagan for launching the attack on mental health in this country by emptying the mental institutions onto the streets, and declaring victory!

  41. 213 dudette9t9
    December 15, 2012 at 11:33 am

  42. December 15, 2012 at 11:41 am

    McCarthy and other in congress They don’t fear Obama, because we let this shit happen with out a fight. call these SOB out and don’t let up, keep the pressure on them every day and they will back down. We the People have to put these democrats back in place, with our votes, voice, tweets, email, fax, letters, phone calls, and vists to their office. Get on her and stay on her if not she will think she has power and you will see her on every tv station, Lets shut her down Now, before that happen. McCarthy trying to make a name for herself by bashing Obama, She need to understand what happen to the others Obama basher in the democratic party. Most who voted are Obama voters not the Democrtatic Party voters. I for one cant stand most in the Democrat party because they are weak and in bed with the big business.

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  45. December 15, 2012 at 11:57 am

    OMG! BARTLESVILLE — An 18-year-old Bartlesville High School student was arrested early Friday after police uncovered an alleged school-shooting massacre plot.

    Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20121214_11_0_BARTLE641724

  46. 221 mtmarilyn
    December 15, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Good Morning Chips and TOD family. It is with such a heavy heart we start this day. Living in MT I am still hearing people say if only the teachers had had guns they would have been protected. I am sick of this everyone needs guns.

    Now with so many guns out there maybe the only way to lessen the problems is to control the bullets. I like the idea of making them cost more and to limit the clips, and auto guns. I am not sure where to start but I will be listening. It definitly isn’t with bashing Obama. We must start with those in Congress and our local officials.

    Hugs and love for everyone!!!

  47. 223 dudette9t9
    December 15, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    At dun’s request,

    • 224 jacquelineoboomer
      December 15, 2012 at 2:13 pm

      Don’t want to know what she said, so I think I’ll go back to lurking, but shame on her. Going to try to write out my Christmas cards for something happy this weekend, and then finish a “plan” I have – with a friend’s encouragement – to “do something.” Involves two congressmen, one is my R rep, and the other a prominent D rep in another state, and some ideas that are flowing through my mind. Not sure I can finish it by Monday because of the emotions about the poor little children that keep filtering through my thoughts, but will try.

      This may have been posted, but I’m just learning that Hillary Clinton is said to have fainted, fallen, and suffered a concussion or possible concussion at home a day or two ago, but is okay, now. Wow.

  48. December 15, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I can´t wrap my mind around this, especially not from a European perspective where stricter gun regulation laws go without saying. Had a conversation with a moderately Republican friend of mine yesterday and it is good to see there are some on that side who can step aside from politics for a while in a moment like that, because lateron I watched PBO´s statement and some of the youtube comments were just so stupid, hateful and out of place. It gets me mad and adds to the bad mood about this. I really don´t know what to say other than that my thoughts are with all those people who have to suffer from this.
    Btw, PBO looks so tired in this statement up there. I don´t envy that guy for his job sometimes, I really don´t ;(

  49. 228 utaustinliberal
    December 15, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Troubling news.

  50. 230 carolyn
    December 15, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    I’m afraid the rest of the world looks at us as a gun crazy people, and that’s not a title of respect. We have got to change this entire societal way of thinking…..as is being stated all over the web.
    I think that mothers and grandmothers hold the key here. I know Adam Lanza’s mother had the guns, but I do believe she is the exception. The rest of us want our children and grandchildren to have the “freedom NOT to be shot!”
    I think what we need is a Mothers’ March on Congress, note I didn’t say March on Washington. That is too diffuse, and always ends up at the White House. NO, we need a march in the halls and offices of 535 Congress members, and it needs to be done BEFORE the inauguration, to show that this is not the President’s responsibility. It should be done the day after Congress reopens in January. Get those members before they know what’s happening. Put people’s safety as a priority, before anything else. Good legal advice and help should be part of the march. Get the pro gun safety members to take a stand….we need to let Congress members know that the many of us are stronger than the NRA…..we won’t hide behind weapons. I like what someone up ahead called it: Mothers Against Assault Weapons. That picture in the tweet expresses what we need to do.

  51. 231 sonjiaduncan
    December 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    A message from my late Mother to my daughter.

    Status Update
    By Marcy TheFlywire Crump
    Yesterday I wasn’t around TV or radio, did not see/hear news accounts and only briefly heard the announcement of the horrific and heartbreaking incident at Sandy Hook ES through a business colleague. People don’t know I was born with a six sense. Last night, my grandmother came to me in my dreams and she wasn’t in her normal playful self, she was frustrated and very short. The scene started in her kitchen. Her house filled with family and friends. She made us go sit down and be quiet in her living room which seem to transform into a lecture hall. As we sat there wondering in silence “Uhm, what’s is going on?”…a show began….a spotlight lit a blackened stage and a group of children stood there and said “Enough is enough. What are yall gonna do to save us?” My grandmother Zennie’s message to me was loud & clear.

    Yesterday’s mass murder at Sandy Hook surpassed the daily number of 8 children killed in America everyday. 32 people are killed everyday. Homicide rate this year so far: 425 Chicago; 512 LA; 174 New Orleans. What’s the rate for Baltimore so far and your city? Evil has stalked the earth since the beginning of humankind. Enough is enough, stop ignoring reality and stop the violence. Stop ignoring Mental Health problems, stop glorifying killers and ignoring our victims.

    • 232 jacquelineoboomer
      December 15, 2012 at 2:24 pm

      I hope you will post that on the new thread, Sonjia. Powerful. If you’re anything like your mother and your daughter, and I’m sure you are, I’m even more glad to “know” you. Thanks for sharing.


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