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Five years ago today….

Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama and his wife Michelle Obama hug after his victory rally at the Columbia Metropolitan Convention Center January 26, 2008 in Columbia, South Carolina. Sen. Obama is the winner of the South Carolina Democratic primary, a critical one for him, followed by Sen. Hillary Clinton with former Sen. John Edwards coming in third.


310 Responses to “Five years ago today….”


  1. 6 CEB
    January 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Good evening.

  2. 7 carolmaewy
    January 26, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Well hello, congrats Kari and Cebu.

  3. 8 vitaminlover
    January 26, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    They look so fresh-faced and sweet. They still do!

  4. January 26, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    I was so proud that day to have cast my ballot here in SC for then Senator Obama. I must admit that my hubby and I first thought we would vote for John Edwards or HRC. We stopped and begin to listen to Senator Obama, and we began to believe that it was possible. AS African Americans, we had not seen this before, and we really felt like it was no point because he had not chance. Something hit us though just like many others in the AA community, and we refused to believe that “can’t” was acceptable. We went bright and early on that election day, and when the votes came in that evening, we both cried tears of joy. After that day there was no turning back for us. It still amazes me how our psyche would not let us believe that this was possible. We also got mad at the tactics of the Clintons, and were leaning Edwards, but in the end we landed on the right side of history and landed proudly. :)

    • 10 carolmaewy
      January 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm

      He had me at hello in 2004 and I’m white. Holding people back is bad for everyone. Of course I don’t know the pain you have been through, but I knew what I saw on TV wasn’t right. I am thankful everyday he is President.

      • January 26, 2013 at 7:32 pm

        I was in my late 20’s in 2008, but honestly before Senator Obama, I just always voted Democratic, in the Presidential elections, but voting for Senator Obama in a Democratic Primary was the first primary I had ever voted in my entire life. I wasn’t engaged with anything political. I didn’t watch pundits, and I wasn’t involved. I just simply went to vote during the Presidential election. The only example of an AA candidate that had run previously was Jesse Jackson and that was all I had to go on from my perspective. Senator Obama made me get engaged in the process, and he made me become passionate about political campaigns but I did not know of him from the DNC convention because I never watched the conventions in the past. President Obama’s campaign was the first campaign I ever volunteered for. Since 08′ I have voted not only in my local elections, but statewide elections, and primaries although most of the Republicans in this state go unopposed.

        • 12 carolmaewy
          January 26, 2013 at 7:38 pm

          Good for you. Great to hear from a young person getting involved. Local elections really have a direct affect on your life. Hang in there and do what you can.

        • 13 jackiegrumbacher
          January 26, 2013 at 9:58 pm

          OC, this is exactly what the president hoped you would do and asks all Americans to do–get involved, volunteer and vote in EVERY election. If every Democrat in the country did that consistently, our progress would be dramatic and we would not have to be continually subjected to the lies and abuse of the far right.

      • 14 kathryn kivett
        January 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm

        right there with you, Carol….I’m white too and in 2004, after that speech, my husband, who is no longer with us, looked at me and said, “You just listened to the next President”….My husband would have been so thrilled and I know he is watching…and I have never had second doubts…

        • 15 daisydem
          January 26, 2013 at 9:02 pm

          That night I said to my husband and son, “we may be listening to a future President of the United States,” they were skeptical, though also awed by his speech. None of us had any idea it would be in four years; we did not think it would be possible. Oh my God, thank you that it was. (Sorry kathryn to hear of your loss; yes, your husband would have been thrilled.)

        • 16 carolmaewy
          January 26, 2013 at 10:26 pm

          Thanks you.

      • 17 jackiegrumbacher
        January 26, 2013 at 9:55 pm

        Carol, I know what you mean. After the 2004 convention speech, I felt in my heart that someday, somehow it had to be him. I didn’t expect him to run as soon as 2008, but when he did, there really wasn’t anybody else. There is something about PBO that just captures your heart and won’t let go.

    • 19 99ts
      January 26, 2013 at 7:00 pm

      On the other side of the world – there were many similar thoughts – the most stated comment “the US will never elect a black man to be President”. We thought the democrats had thrown away the Presidency (and cried). Then we learned about Sen Barack Obama and later we heard McCain’s VP – and knew that things had forever changed.

      Regardless of anything the GOP does or doesn’t do – 2008 changed things forever – you all should be so very proud to be part of that change.

    • 20 Lana
      January 26, 2013 at 7:11 pm

      Oh, just imagine if we had elected Edwards!!! I decided to vote for Barack Obama in 2004 (if he ever ran) and I had grown up in a Republican family (as many in my family still are… and rabid, at that. It’s a misery in my life, I’ll be honest)! By 2008, I would have voted for almost any Democrat, but I was “in” for Obama from before the televised announcement in Springfield IL.

    • 21 GGAIL
      January 26, 2013 at 7:21 pm

      I was so pumped after his DNC speech & wanted to tell people about him, but his name was so new to me that I couldn’t remember if Obama was his first name or last name! LOL

    • 22 nathkatun7
      January 26, 2013 at 7:47 pm

      It’s truly amazing about how consistent President Obama has been. Sadly, of course, our corrupt media would rather peddle GOP talking points, manufactured lies, racial divisiveness, and exaggerated sensationalism, to attack President Obama. Just as he did in 2008, in South Carolina, President Obama’s inauguration speech, on Jan. 21, 2013, repeatedly called on us: “We the people” to exercise our power as citizens. the President was emphatically inclusive of all citizens, regardless of age, race/color, ethnicity, gender, or, sexual orientation. That’s exactly what he pretty much said in his 2008, S.C. speech. Besides, President was very forthright in telling people in 2008 that change will not be easy because of all the entrenched forces that were determined to preserve the status quo! Apparently, the only people who didn’t hear President Obama repeatedly say that change would not be instantaneous were the PL and the emoprogs.

  5. 23 GGAIL
    January 26, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Thanks Chipsticks!

  6. 24 carolmaewy
    January 26, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Oh what sweet memories.

  7. 25 Nancy Rebore
    January 26, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    I’m in New York, but I drove alone, which was a big deal for me, to Orangeburg, South Carolina, to canvass for then Senator Obama. I spent a few days there, including the day of the Primary. It was one of the most thrilling experiences I’ve ever had.

    • January 26, 2013 at 7:08 pm

      Thank you for dropping in Nancy and sharing your memories, greatly appreciated!

      • 27 Nancy Rebore
        January 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm

        Thanks Chips! I’ve been following TOD forever. I never miss a post! You might call me an extreme lurker. Thank you for keeping me sane during these stressful years, and for keeping this blog positive.

    • 29 GGAIL
      January 26, 2013 at 7:16 pm

      Thanks Nancy for delurking & commenting :)

    • 33 nathkatun7
      January 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm

      Thank you Nancy for all you did to help elect this amazing man President. I think that his 2008 impressive win in the S.C. primary, against the Clinton political machine, played a pivotal role in changing the 2008 dynamics of the race. It’s selfless people like you who need a great deal of our thanks and gratitude.

      • 34 Nancy Rebore
        January 26, 2013 at 8:41 pm

        nath7, thanks for your very kind comment! I, in turn, thank you for helping to make TOD a family, where everyone contributes and makes a difference. Lurkers are inspired by and learn so much from all of you.

        • 35 HZ
          January 26, 2013 at 11:01 pm

          Nancy, welcome. I want to thank you for all that you did to help all of us to re-elect POB. Thank you for your beautiful sacrifice from the beginning. Come on in and be a part of this great TOD family.
          Again, welcome Nancy.HZ

  8. 36 nathkatun7
    January 26, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Dear Chipsticks and TOD members thank you for this wonderful place that attracts many spirited, yet thoughtful, people who love and respect President Obama, VP Biden and their families. I come to this place to learn, sometimes to passionately, argue, but most of the time because many people here inspire me. Because I love to laugh, sing and, yes still dance at my age, I am very partial to people who tell/share good jokes, love music and have no qualms letting their hair down to appreciate how it feels to be human.

    Today I wanted to give a very special shout out/THANK YOU to Yardarm (fondly referred to by Chipsticks and others as Sailor) for the wonderful music he shared (as he always does) on two threads. The songs he selected were filled with love and were aimed at reminding us that it’s o.k. to appreciate life in spite of all the ugliness that we encounter. I am especially grateful that he re-shared Maya Angelou’s timeless poem: “Still I Rise!” For me, Maya Angelou’s “Still I Rise” poem beautifully captures the significance, and the essence, of the Obama presidency.

    Thank you Yardarm for sharing the depth of your humanity.

    • 37 desertflower
      January 26, 2013 at 7:09 pm

      Cheers to this, nath!!

    • 38 GGAIL
      January 26, 2013 at 7:14 pm

      Thank u nath for your contributions too!

    • 40 yardarm756
      January 26, 2013 at 8:35 pm

      Quit it nath. Ya damn near got me in tears over here. :-)

      • 41 nathkatun7
        January 26, 2013 at 11:14 pm

        You know, Yardarm, though I may not comment often. I deeply appreciate all the music, humor, and wisdom you share with us. Because of my schedule here in SoCal, I usually check in when most of the people in EST or CST are already asleep. Today, because of the rain, I was able to check in a little earlier. As usual, I loved your selections. I feel blessed to have attended live performances of some of the musicians you highlighted. Then you had to include Maya Angelou’s poem “Still I Rise,” which always sparks some water works from me, every time I listen to it. Maya Angelou’s poem, along with Langston Hughes’ poem “I’ve known Rivers,” and the Johnson brother’s Black National Anthem “Lift Every Voice and Sing,” are testament to the African American human resilience, determination, and the ability to transcend forces aimed at dehumanizing them. Likewise, all genres of African American music reflect the fact that no matter how much dehumanizing experience they were subjected to, African Americans defiantly refused to give up on their humanity as well as the humanity of others.

    • 44 prettyfoot58
      January 26, 2013 at 8:45 pm

      The songs he selected were filled with love and were aimed at reminding us that it’s o.k. to appreciate life in spite of all the ugliness that we encounter….

      ***************************************

      How Beautiful…nath…

      tugs at the heart…sometimes i do indeed need to remember this

    • 46 jacquelineoboomer
      January 27, 2013 at 12:11 am

      X me – I’m late to the party, but thanks to both you, nathkatun, and Yardarm for helping us all rise!

  9. 47 99ts
    January 26, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Speaking of rain – as everyone was – well a couple of threads back – it has been coming down for 2 days – and like desertflower (my sympathies) we have a leaking roof (or leaking something) – above the kitchen window. It’s really annoying because it only leaks when it’s raining & we forget about it most of the time – sigh.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR661.loop.shtml#skip

    We are somewhere in the middle of all that – fortunately for our kitchen it is slowly moving south.

    • 48 desertflower
      January 26, 2013 at 7:14 pm

      Oh NO! I do feel your pain, 99ts! Since it NEVER rains here either, you do tend to forget about those things until you are forced to remember whenever it decides to rain again… I’ll have to replace the facia board and rip out the entire interior living room wall that has the picture window. What a mess….However, we did use the “cheater method” today and I bought a rubberized sealant to spray the places where it leaks into the walls….it’s called FlexSeal. Comes in a spray can…won’t help you now, but maybe you can order some for those other “just in case” times. http://www.getflexseal.com/ Don’t know if they’ll ship international for you, but it’s worth a try!

      • 49 99ts
        January 26, 2013 at 7:43 pm

        We need some roof repair – had a repairperson in for a quote – who vaguely explained the problem – moved around this and that – said it was not what he did – and it leaks worse than ever since he came – sigh. I feel for you with the wall replacing – I don’t think we have alot of that type of work – but probably $2-3000 on the roof – ahhhh. I will pass on the link to Mr 99 – he who climbed over roof in rain without finding where the water was coming from – there is probably the same (or different brand) in our world. Then again – I would really like him to get it proper fixed – short term solutions tend to become long term in this house!

        Never mind – it appears it won’t flood – which is a relief and Barack Obama is still the US President & my granddaughter is divine – whatever the weather

    • 50 desertflower
      January 26, 2013 at 7:15 pm

      !! Looks like my radar! Never ending rain….

  10. 51 utaustinliberal
    January 26, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Look how far we’ve come. It’s been a good ride every single day.

  11. 54 yardarm756
    January 26, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    The 98 year old Mother Superior from Ireland was dying. The nuns gathered around her bed trying to make her last journey comfortable. They gave her some warm milk to drink but she refused. Then one of the nuns took the glass back to the kitchen. Remembering a bottle of Irish whiskey received as a gift the previous Christmas, she opened and poured a generous amount into the warm milk. Back at Mother Superior’s bed, she held the glass to her lips. Mother drank a little, then a little more and before they knew it, she had drunk the whole glass down to the last drop. “Mother,” the nuns asked with earnest, “please give us some wisdom before you die.”

    She raised herself up in bed and with a pious look on her face said, “Don’t sell that cow. :lol:

  12. 61 GGAIL
    January 26, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    This young Senator had me enthralled at the DNC speech he made. I’ve been hooked & proud ever since.

  13. 64 utaustinliberal
    January 26, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Well, lookey here.

  14. 85 ouapiti
    January 26, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Love seeing these pictures and remembering the ‘early days.’ I love the love between the Obamas back then and love it now — if anything, it’s grown as has our love for this amazing President and his family and his work.

  15. January 26, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Pleasant memories. The drive and tenacity of PBO and his supporters is unrivaled.

  16. January 26, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Chips, I think you’ll appreciate that @DavidPlouffe’s 3rd ever tweet fits your thread perfectly :)

    Yes We Can

  17. January 26, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    • January 26, 2013 at 7:44 pm

      Hi DF. Thank you so much. I am obsessed with all things Osama bin Laden, especially his capture. I will save this for my late night reading tonight.

      • 92 desertflower
        January 26, 2013 at 8:17 pm

        A pleasure, africa:)

        • 93 HZ
          January 26, 2013 at 11:36 pm

          Hi DF. I have not been able to catch up with you, but I just wanted to say again how grateful I am for all of the wonderful informational links that you provide for the family. You are such a beautiful spirit.
          ((((( Love you sweet spirit))))HZ

  18. January 26, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Chips this is my favorite speech of all time. When he says “I did not see a white South Carolina..nor a black South Carolina…I saw South Carolina” it still sends chills!

    • January 26, 2013 at 7:48 pm

      One of mine too aamom, another gem in our collection, felt all weepy and nostalgic watching this, I need a bottle of wine!

      • 96 carolmaewy
        January 26, 2013 at 8:03 pm

        Wine knocks me out. I get adrenalin rush every time I hear him speak. And i need that more than sleep! But my favorite speech was 2004 and Iowa. Iowa because he mentioned the pioneers who settled the midwest, where I grew up on my grandfathers homestead. A little secret, my other grandmother from Eau Claire, Wisconsin, traveled at 17 with her sister in about 1906 to middle of North Dakota. They both homesteaded their own 160 acres. Something I’m very proud of her for doing. The photos made it look so baron. No tree, nothing. I wish I had known her longer than ten years.

      • 100 nathkatun7
        January 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm

        “…I need a bottle of wine!”

        Chipsticks, you do indeed deserve a decent bottle of wine! May be all of us from California can chip in to send you a bottle of our best California wines to thank you for all the unselfish work you put in to produce this magnificent blog. So what do you say fellow Californians? Don’t you think Chipsticks deserves one the best wines our state has to offer?

        • January 26, 2013 at 8:46 pm

          I support your delightful call, nathkatun7!!!!! :-) Hey, I hope you’re not trying to get me dlunk???

          • 102 nathkatun7
            January 26, 2013 at 11:37 pm

            “Hey, I hope you’re not trying to get me dlunk???”

            Not at all Chipsticks. Mellow may be, but not drunk. I also want you to enjoy and experience how much you are loved and appreciated, especially by us Californians. I bet you Meta knows some of the best wines from Napa. By the way, I was looking at the CA map to find out how people voted in 2012, and President Obama received exceptionally high percentages of votes in the major California wine growing regions. I of course immediately deduced that most of the people in those areas must be members of TOD! I just couldn’t readily come up with any other plausible explanation why the vast majority of Californians who resided in wine growing area voted, big time, for the President.

            • 103 GGail
              January 27, 2013 at 12:38 am

              Hey nath, I was a Neighborhood Team Leader here in Los Angeles and I will be very happy to assist you in sending our beloved Chipsticks a bottle of our finest California wine. :-)

              • 104 nathkatun7
                January 27, 2013 at 4:13 am

                GGail, Let’s do it! I am absolutely game. It would be nice to send her a nice Pinot Noir, Zin, Carb, or one of those Napa Valley exquisite Chadonnays! Let me know how I can contact you!

  19. January 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Help Everyone. Got any idea on a good contact for international human rights issues for women? I need to help a dear friend do some researc she personally experienced a horrible, horrible ordeal after being falsely accused and imprisoned. She is out now, but was appalled at the conditions of women in the prison. I want to help her shed some light on the problem in hopes of helping the women she met. She is back in the states now, but she is haunted by her own experience and what the women she left behind must face daily.

  20. 111 anniebella
    January 26, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Anyone heard about Tina Turner giving up here pass port, does this mean she is no longer a citizen of the United States.

    • January 26, 2013 at 7:57 pm

      “…..according to ABC News on Jan. 25, Turner is turning in her American passport for one from Switzerland. She has lived in Switzerland since the 1990s with her longtime partner Erwin Bach, a German music manager. Now 73, Turner says she is happy in Switzerland and feels at home in that country.

      A representative for Tina Turner didn’t respond to a request for comment, but told the Zuerichsee-Zeitung newspaper that Turner would give back her U.S. citizenship.

      Immediately, tongues started wagging that Turner was doing this for money and not love, but merely to avoid the new U.S. tax rates on the very wealthy. It’s a possibility, but she has lived there a long time, speaks fluent German and seems happy in her home, which is named Chateau Algonquin.”

      http://www.examiner.com/article/tina-turner-swapping-american-passport-for-swiss-passport

      $$$$$$$$$$$$

      That’s all.

      • 113 carolmaewy
        January 26, 2013 at 8:08 pm

        Can you really give up your US citizenship unless the country you are applying for citizenship makes you take an oath renouncing it? I know Canada used to require this, but don’t really know of others. Lots have duel citizenship.

        • 114 veryslowwriter
          January 27, 2013 at 1:30 am

          I am a citizen of Canada and the US. The US was first. I didn’t have to “give up” anything and I have two passports. The thing about US citizenship — no matter where you live or where you work, you owe taxes to the US as long as you’re a citizen. Other countries have other rules. Maybe she got tired of filing two tax returns — I know I am.

        • 115 canadabarb4obama
          January 27, 2013 at 1:59 am

          I had many relatives move to the USA. Several took out US citizenship but never renounced their Canadian citizenship. They simply had dual citizenship.

        • 117 Obama Grandmama
          January 27, 2013 at 2:16 am

          There are Countries that will not give a dual citizenship and that requires the person to give up their other citizenship to have a citizenship in their new Country of choice. Sometimes getting the paperwork/Visa to stay in that Country requires a lot of hassle and red tape so a person may decide to give up their US citizenship for reasons other than taxes. One of my daughters is an ex-patriot living in Germany at present. She is still a US citizen. Her job takes care of her paperwork to stay.

    • 119 theo67
      January 26, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      I don’t think she’d need to renounce citizenship for tax purposes, since she is no longer a resident of the US. She isn’t subject to US taxes, unless she’s still earning US income. And even if she renounces citizenship, but is still earning US income – I believe she’d still have to pay the US taxes on that income. I’m inclined to believe she is renouncing her citizenship because she now regards Switzerland as her home – and a beautiful choice, at that.

      • 120 veryslowwriter
        January 27, 2013 at 1:34 am

        Yes, you do have to. The US doesn’t care where you live or where the money was earned, as long as you are a US citizen you owe taxes to the US of A. Now if you live in a country that has a tax treaty with the US, you may not owe any taxes to the US (if your adjusted income is under about $90K). But if you make more, you pay the US more. In our case, we don’t make enough money to “pay” US taxes, we pay Canada and we still have to file returns in both places.

        • 121 theo67
          January 27, 2013 at 1:37 pm

          Good to know. I paid US and Canadian taxes when I first arrived in the US, until I severed my residency with Canada (closed bank accounts, sent in a notice to the government that I was no longer residing there). Canadian taxes were higher than US taxes, so I had to do a top up each year for Canada until my residency status changed.

  21. 122 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    January 26, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    The last conversation my late son and I had (Sep 30, 2004) was about Barack Obama. My son predicted that Barack would one day be President. So when he announced, in memory of my son, I started sending small donations. Five years ago today, I was on a jazz cruise. That night, after the last show, some of the musicians, passengers and I were discussing SC. Most of the group felt that there was no way “they” would let him win the nomination. I made the bold statement that “when I get home tomorrow, I’m booking a flight to Denver because somehow, someway I was going to be in the house when he accepted the nomination.” Most of the group laughed in my face. One musician (who knew me) asked how I planned to get in as he knew I was a republican. Another artist doubted he would make it, but prayed that he did because she would one day like to perform at the White House. Fast forward to August 24, 2008, I arrive in Denver, see an advert for the Downtown Jazz Festival and head there. A few of the performers were surprised to see me — one remembered my bold statement on the ship. I spent the week in Denver with Veterans for Obama. I WAS IN THE HOUSE WHEN HE ACCEPTED! Fast forward again to February 2009, I’m sitting at my computer, watching the webcast for the Gershwin Prize, and singing back-up for Stevie Wonder is the artist that wanted to perform at the White House. God is so good!

    • January 26, 2013 at 8:05 pm

      That is one FANTASTIC story Alycee!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for sharing it with all of us and condolences at the loss of your son.

      Yes We Can

    • January 26, 2013 at 8:05 pm

      Alycee, you had me in tears, what a completely beautiful set of memories, may your lovely son rest in peace. Thank you so much.

    • 125 carolmaewy
      January 26, 2013 at 8:11 pm

      Thank you so much for sharing that great memory. It’s beautiful. I’m sorry your son didn’t live to see it.

      • January 26, 2013 at 8:27 pm

        Alycee, Sincere sympathies on the loss of your son. So often when I read one of your posts, I remember that you donated to our fund-raising for childhood cancer research. Thank you again!

        Senator Obama had me after the 2004 convention speech. No doubts and never looked back.

    • 127 Nena20409
      January 26, 2013 at 8:29 pm

      :) :) Love your story. Brilliant. :) :)

    • 128 theo67
      January 26, 2013 at 8:31 pm

      Karma works for good, too. I’m glad you were able to witness the nomination acceptance (that’s when I went in 100% for Candidate Obama), and that we were able to celebrate the second inauguration for President Obama this week. Your son must be beaming in heaven! :)

    • 129 nathkatun7
      January 26, 2013 at 8:59 pm

      Thank you so much Alycee for sharing your story about your son and his prediction. It’s memories of our children, who pass away before their time, that keep parents alive. I am also a strong believer in the power of music, which encompasses a great deal of poetry that reflects on the pure joy of existence, in enabling us to cope with the loss of our children. Although I am not particularly a religious person, I have deep respect for people of genuine faith. May your son rest in eternal peace!

        • 131 Alycee (@jazziz2)
          January 27, 2013 at 12:00 am

          To everyone, thank you for your very kind comments. He’s always with me because I carry him in my heart. I swear I heard him cheering when his band passed the Presidential Reviewing stand.

          • 132 nathkatun7
            January 27, 2013 at 4:23 am

            Bless you Alycee! I know how you feel! because my daughter, who passed away at sixteen, is also always with me. That’s also true of my brother who was very close to me.

        • 133 HZ
          January 27, 2013 at 12:09 am

          Alycee,((((((((( Blessings of love and grace always rest upon your memories of your beloved son.))))))))))HZ

          • 134 nathkatun7
            January 27, 2013 at 4:36 am

            HZ, you are absolutely right about the power of memories. I read this book entitled “African Religion and Philosophy” by John Mbiti, which, among other things, discussed African views of immortality. Prof. Mbiti, who by the way is an ordained Christian pastor, stressed the importance of remembrances as one of the key to understanding the African views about immortality. In other words, as long as we continue to remember our loved ones who physically passed away, that is clear proof that they have attained immortality.

  22. 135 Sweetpeg
    January 26, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    I heard that this morning @ anniebella.

  23. 136 carolyn
    January 26, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Bill Moyers is doing some wonderful investigating and reporting on PBS. Tonight his guests were two women discussing Roe v Wade and its importance in the past 40 years, also, the tightening of restrictions by state statutes. He is working on many important topics,and africa since you have first hand knowledge, it might be worth contacting Bill Moyers and giving him the idea for investigation……that won’t help immediately, but I sense a subject that needs to be brought to the public’s attention.
    I have noticed that many subjects start with Bill Moyers and work out to the general media and become well known and then positive things happen. Just a rather strange thought since I just heard him.
    I am so glad Bill Moyers is working again. We need him.
    Susan’s suggestion is excellent for immediate action. Also, is there a woman Senator she could contact?

  24. January 26, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Just checking in. We’re waiting for T’s blood culture to come back.

  25. 147 amk for obama
    January 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    What’s is this brouhaha about that masshole poster boy’s Bqhatevwr tweet? I don;t get it.

    • 148 desertflower
      January 26, 2013 at 8:43 pm

      Everyone thinks that he was drunk Tweeting…he took that down from his Tweets….but too many have screenshots of that gibberish….

      • 149 amk for obama
        January 26, 2013 at 8:48 pm

        what exactly that word means ? Is it some rw sexist/racist code word ?

        “your brilliant” speaks of his English knowledge. How could the massholes could even consider this twit again at this point (he is leading by double digits) beats me.

        • January 26, 2013 at 8:51 pm

          It’s gibberish amk – but, no surprise, does contain ‘hate’ in it ….

        • 151 theo67
          January 26, 2013 at 8:53 pm

          He was trying to say “whatever”, but in his apparent drunkenness, couldn’t get the word out properly. This man has no business being in the US Government.

          • 152 amk for obama
            January 26, 2013 at 8:58 pm

            This man has no business being in the US Government.

            This. Are we concentrating on bs instead of doing the necessary thing to defeat this punk ?

            • 153 theo67
              January 26, 2013 at 9:12 pm

              I certainly hope not. But, maybe pointing out how idiotic he is will actually get the attention of those people in Massachusetts who might be thinking of voting for him. Some of them voted for him before…

              • 154 amk for obama
                January 26, 2013 at 9:32 pm

                Yes, I know. I am saddened that the dems haven’t hit the ground running already when Kerry was being picked as SoS. Generally, the establishment dems do not seem to be as smart as PBO when setting up winning narratives.

          • 156 ranman11
            January 26, 2013 at 10:18 pm

            Theo, thats damn good investigation/observation on what that mental slacker was trying to say. :D

        • 157 hopefruit2
          January 26, 2013 at 8:55 pm

          No, he wanted to type the word “whatever” but because he was drunk, he instead typed this “bqhatevwr.” He then typed the intended word in a second tweet, right after he tweeted “bqhatevwr” and he also typed some other nonsense like”your brilliant Matt” which had people cracking up.

          I guess he realized he was being mocked because by late this afternoon, he had the tweets deleted from his TL. But alas, it was too late because #bqhatevwr had already gone viral in the Twittersphere.

        • January 26, 2013 at 9:03 pm

          There were several tweets that seemed to go nowhere. Drunk tweeting, fer shure.

  26. January 26, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Hey Chips and TOD family, I hope all is well. You know, listening to PBO’s SC 2008 Primary victory speech, reminds me of that great speech he gave in New Hampshire in defeat. It was that speech in which, the song by “Wil I am” called “Yes We Can” was made. I was so disappointed that PBO lost NH until I listened to him speak that night.

    After that speech I was so fired up and so determined that I doubled up on my efforts to help him get elected. If my memory serves me correctly, after that lost in NH, PBO went on to win 11 straight primary races. So by the time the so call “Super Tuesday” came along in March, mathmatically, it was impossible for Clinton to catch him, especially when Wisconsin handed him a victory on Feb 19, 2008. The only highly visible person in the media that stated the obvious in Feb was Tim Russert, who has since passed.

    Since we are going down memory lane, I hope you can post the original “Wil I am” song “Yes We Can”. Thanks in advance>>

    • 161 desertflower
      January 26, 2013 at 8:50 pm

      This? :)

    • 163 theo67
      January 26, 2013 at 8:51 pm

      I think the way the President handled that defeat showed us the true measure of the man. The fact that he was clearly disappointed, and that Michelle comforted him with that hug, but he was still able to be optimistic… it just told us who he was/is. We’re very lucky to have him.

    • 164 nathkatun7
      January 26, 2013 at 9:16 pm

      ranman, I also loved President Obama’s speech after he lost New Hampshire. Not once did he try to demonize his opponents. Instead he focused on articulating his vision which is inclusive of all Americans.

  27. 165 Karlene
    January 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Whoopee been trying to log in here for about 2 months now..not computer savy at all, plus being in my late 60’s, but this old dog can learn new tricks..Yess i love my PBO and his beautiful family..The first speech and i was hooked..And he has not disappointed me at all…

  28. January 26, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Got to stop them now ….

  29. 173 amk for obama
    January 26, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    you gotta double click on the pic to see it in full.

  30. 175 hopefruit2
    January 26, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Your brilliant Chips.

  31. January 26, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    This ain’t going away …

    • 178 amk for obama
      January 26, 2013 at 9:01 pm

      I seem to be missing a lot. What is this about, Bob?

      • January 26, 2013 at 9:08 pm

        Recall that Jon Husted was the GOP SoS who tried to disenfranchise Ohio voters. He tweeted this earlier today.

        • 180 amk for obama
          January 26, 2013 at 9:14 pm

          A ha. Thanks gb. So phuck toady was being his usual gop shilling asshole?

          • January 26, 2013 at 9:20 pm

            Xactly, amk :)

            Thanks GB for providing the info :) Was in the kitchen having a little snack …

          • January 26, 2013 at 9:26 pm

            He’s gotten a lot of push back on it on Twitter but he hasn’t responded to any of them or made any attempts to clarify. I am going to assume that he’s spending time with his family and will address this tweet.

            I would like reform also but by an independent body (if that’s even possible). If that’s what Chuck Todd meant, how naive is he to think Jon Husted wants the same?

    • 183 prettyfoot58
      January 26, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      Do you think Husted….set him up

      • 184 hopefruit2
        January 26, 2013 at 9:12 pm

        He’s a journalist. He should know better than to meet privately with Repug from Ohio. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

        As Scott Brown would say: Your NOT brilliant Chuck.

      • 185 theo67
        January 26, 2013 at 9:15 pm

        Chuck Todd tried to defend himself with word salad – so I think he knows he was caught out. He flirts with rethugs privately, and tries to pretend to be objective publicly. And the fact that he’s the “political director” for MSNBC – this little slip tells us a lot…

        • January 26, 2013 at 9:33 pm

          What else did Chuck Todd say? I’ve only seen him say that Husted was talking about House district reforms not at the national level.

          • January 26, 2013 at 9:56 pm

            The district reforms are the very problem that succeeded in negating the 1.1 million more votes Democrats won at the House level, and the GOP now want to extend to the electoral college. So, in agreeing with these “district reforms”, Chuck Todd is basically agreeing that Republicans should cheat to win the the next Presidential election.

          • January 26, 2013 at 10:05 pm

            So someone asked Husted for clarification:

            And he responded, which broadens the scope:

      • January 26, 2013 at 9:24 pm

        Nope. Chuckles just got caught this time – busted by a dude too stupid to realize what Twitter is.

      • January 26, 2013 at 9:36 pm

        Husted MAY have tried to tie himself to someone who he THINKS is a credible and objective journalist. MAY. Chuck Todd hasn’t said otherwise.

  32. 192 yardarm756
    January 26, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Some for us ‘old heads’.

    • 193 lmrj
      January 26, 2013 at 11:10 pm

      Yardarm, you have forced me to delurk with this one! My Mom was a HUGE June Christy fan and I grew up listening her silky voice until the grooves were worn out on Mom’s albums! THANK YOU for taking me back to such rich memories on this Saturday night. :-)

  33. 198 yardarm756
    January 26, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Break out the naughty mats!

  34. 204 99ts
    January 26, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Out to face the weather and swim to the shops – back later – Yardarm – behave!

  35. January 26, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    • January 26, 2013 at 9:30 pm

      ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The stare of dooooooom!!!!!

    • 211 anniebella
      January 26, 2013 at 9:34 pm

      Todd look like one of those I hate that Black guy in the White house Republican.

      • 212 anniebella
        January 26, 2013 at 9:42 pm

        Remember how Chuckie Boy tried to convince us that the election were so close, that the Democrats wouldn’t turn out for President Obama because we weren’t excited like we were in 08. That is all he kept repeating. When he went to an Obama event and saw that there were empty seats, Todd talk that to death. At the same time Mitt had empty seats as far as the eye could see, but not a word about that from Todd. Chuck Todd is a sorry piece of GOP crap.

    • 214 susanne
      January 26, 2013 at 10:50 pm

      what a puke.

  36. January 26, 2013 at 9:31 pm

  37. January 26, 2013 at 9:33 pm

  38. 218 amk for obama
    January 26, 2013 at 9:34 pm

  39. January 26, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    I heart THIS:

  40. 228 yardarm756
    January 26, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Dedicated to you Chips. I hope you hear it before a new thread.

  41. 241 hopefruit2
    January 26, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    • 242 4morefor44
      January 26, 2013 at 9:55 pm

      wow. that link is an incredible exposing of the todd fraud! worth saving that link for future reference. sure explains chucky-boy’s attitude toward president obama.

  42. 243 prettyfoot58
    January 26, 2013 at 9:55 pm
    • January 26, 2013 at 10:23 pm

      How could you belong to a party that would do this?

      I remember when VAWA first came up for renewal. A former classmate posted a comment about it on Facebook. One person suspected Republicans didn’t want to sign it because maybe Democrats had filled the bill with pork. It took all I had not throw f-bombs at this woman. How is THAT even an excuse to not renew VAWA? It might have pork in it? So what? As if pork is DC’s biggest problem. When I told her the real reason, I didn’t get a response. Can’t stand these people who try to find an excuse for the GOP’s disgusting behavior.

  43. January 26, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    #ToddsHustedGate

  44. 249 vitaminlover
    January 26, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    We TOD’ers always know what Chuck-Wad was about.

  45. 250 4morefor44
    January 26, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    so with this husted/chuck todd meeting reveal, we know that the coordination of the republican master plan to cheat in future elections is in full effect. watch for all kinds of subtle, and at times not so subtle, talk in “the news” now which makes it seem, “hey, these ideas aren’t so bad. they are serious proposals that deserve to be heard.” and so on. chuck todd was going to be the one leading the charge in “the news” and he still might be, but i wonder if this will make him back off a little. doesn’t matter since the entire rest of the big “news” outlets are in the on the game too. we must stop them and be ever vigilant, and most importantly, build such incredible coalitions through OFA that all the cheating ithe world won’t matter. forward!!!!!!

  46. January 26, 2013 at 10:33 pm

  47. 253 hopefruit2
    January 26, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Oh my…now everyone on Twitter is talking about Chuck Todd! HAHA!

    • 254 anniebella
      January 26, 2013 at 10:39 pm

      I sent Todd a email and ask him to explain what Jon Husted just tweeted about him.

    • 255 4morefor44
      January 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm

      good. time to take this asshat down from his perch. tim russert brought chucky-boy over to nbc from the national journal (republican rag), and by the time he’s 35 or so chucky-boy quickly becomes “political director” OF ALL OF NBC NEWS?!?! oh he must be some wunderkind journalist who proved over time that he’s an incredible journalist that’s broken huge stories to get that kind of job at such a young age, right? well, let’s check his wikipedia page…

      “Todd attended George Washington University from 1990 to 1994; although he majored in political science and minored in music, he did not graduate.[4]”

      oops. well, when you understand that “the news” today serves only as a propaganda mill for republicans, then chucky-boy’s position makes perfect sense.

      • 256 anniebella
        January 26, 2013 at 11:57 pm

        I sent a email to NBC Nightly News, and to Chris Matthews who think Chuck Todd is all that.

        • 257 hopefruit2
          January 27, 2013 at 9:23 am

          Chris Matthews knows perfectly well that Todd is not “all that.” But it’s his job as head MSNBC propagandist to big up Chuck Todd and over-inflate his talent/importance. Matthews has a great deal of clout at MSNBC. He got Phil Donahue fired for speaking against the Iraq War back in the early 2000’s. He threatened that if Donahue wasn’t fired, he would single-handedly take MSNBC down.

          • January 27, 2013 at 9:31 am

            Hopefruit, I’ve missed a lot of the updates on the Todd business, has anyone asked NBC for a comment on the Husted tweet? We knew already Todd was a GOP shill, but how they can they seriously carry on with him after he was exposed like this? They will, of course, but I’d love to see a response from them to see how they attempt to explain it away.

            • 259 hopefruit2
              January 27, 2013 at 9:35 am

              I suspect they’re probably scrambling to come up with a reasonable sounding “explanation” for what happened. They’re waiting for Karl Rove, Koch Bro’s ,etc to give them the green light on what to say and when to say it. Isn’t that how the corporate media operates?

      • 261 Nena20409
        January 27, 2013 at 11:14 am

        Chuck Todd I thought worked for Roll Call or some righwing periodical in DC for many years…Not National Journal. He used to appear on C-SPAN more that I could stomach. I was surprised when Tim Russert brought him on to NBC/MSNBC. He was a favorite in my view of Steve Curry….the brother to a rightwinger who worked for the Bushes and who also was a close associate of Ralph Reed….the GA, Christian Nut.

  48. January 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    Did Chuck Todd delete his last tweet?

  49. 263 amk for obama
    January 26, 2013 at 10:41 pm

  50. January 26, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Double-edged irony ….

  51. 265 hopefruit2
    January 26, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    • 266 anniebella
      January 26, 2013 at 11:31 pm

      Good question David Shuster. Let’s see if any of the other ones who think Chuck Todd is all that like Brian Williams, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, let’s see if they ask Todd what did he say to Husted and what did he mean?

  52. 267 desertflower
    January 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    http://chirpstory.com/li/48935 .@chucktodd Conspires With GOP To Suppress The Urban Vote

  53. January 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    The win in South Carolina was so decisive, it was a thing of beauty.

  54. 269 Firedupinca
    January 26, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Remember this gem of wisdom from Chuck?

    “By the way, Democrats wish they had the diversity of speakers and deep bench to show America,” said Todd. “The Democrats wanted a keynote speaker that was Hispanic and they had to dig inside a red state to find a Hispanic mayor.”

    Todd noted that the GOP is featuring a broad range of Hispanic elected officials like New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, Texas GOP Senate candidate Ted Cruz, Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

    “One thing the Republican party has are a lot of elected officials to help deal with this issue of going against the grain on the fact that their mostly white — their support base is a white, Southern part of the party,” said Todd. “The face of the Republican party of elected leaders – Democrats wish they had that diversity.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-chuck-todd-democrats-wish-they-had-the-diversity-of-the-gop/

    So in that flashback that despite his claim of GOP diversity, Chuck admits that the actual GOP base was not like the window dressing they had at their convention and today we see he agrees with the Ohio Secretary of State, one of the leaders in minority voter disenfranchisement.

    Chuck Todd has consistently been a cosmic twit but given his role as a media figure and WH correspondent, this new wrinkle of being chummy with someone as sinister to democracy as Husted, makes him a dangerous cosmic twit.

    In other news, I was born on Jan. 26.

    • 270 hopefruit2
      January 26, 2013 at 11:46 pm

      Happy Birthday to you FiredUp!!

      And thanks for the reminder about Chuck’s ridiculous comments about the GOP’s deep bench of diversity that the Dems were supposed to be jealous about …I actually remembered when he said that and thought at the time – what a HACK!

    • 271 99ts
      January 26, 2013 at 11:54 pm

      You were born on Australia Day – congratulations – hope you had a wonderful day
      Thank you for the look back – Todd has NEVER looked at the depth of the diversity in the democratic party, he just wants a rich white guy in the white house.

    • 272 jackiegrumbacher
      January 27, 2013 at 8:15 am

      Happy Birthday, FiredUP. Have a terrific day and may all your wishes come true.

  55. 273 yardarm756
    January 26, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Let’s end it on a perfect note. Chuckies theme song!

  56. January 26, 2013 at 11:58 pm

  57. January 27, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Home at last!

    Missus was treated for cellulitis and a possible flu. She feels much better. Now we have to figure out dinner.

    So I see Chuckie is in a pickle of his own making. Poor 4th estate. Credibility keeps going down.

    • January 27, 2013 at 1:33 am

      FF: Have you ever fired a gun?

      Yes, in fact, up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time.

      FF: The whole family?

      Not the girls, but oftentimes guests of mine go up there.

  58. January 27, 2013 at 1:55 am

    Good lord Ed LOL!!!

  59. 295 amk for obama
    January 27, 2013 at 2:39 am

    So Harkin is retiring from Iowa in 2014. Can the dems retain that senate seat?

  60. 298 99ts
    January 27, 2013 at 4:03 am

    Oh my gosh the rain won’t stop – new leaks in roof – but fingers crossed we still have power (and no water near the lights) – and supposedly minimal flooding. As my dad used to recite

    Water, water, every where,
    And all the boards did shrink;
    Water, water, every where,
    Nor any drop to drink.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rime_of_the_Ancient_Mariner

    • 299 susanne
      January 27, 2013 at 4:46 am

      yikes, i hope you stay dry and safe, 99! take good care. my dad used to quote that one too :)

      • 300 99ts
        January 27, 2013 at 5:14 am

        Thank you susanne – my dad went to school 1920s – where the teaching was to learn things by rote. He knew many Shakespeare plays and many British poets. We didn’t learn much about the US in those days – nor Australia – it was all the British Empire! I used to enjoy listening to him & learned some of the poems I enjoyed. Today I just look them up on the internets.

  61. January 27, 2013 at 4:51 am

    hey 99ts, where are you?

    HOpe you stay safe.

    • 302 99ts
      January 27, 2013 at 5:10 am

      Hi Susan – I’m in Australia – land of drought and flood – it seems to be easing – people about 3 miles from us have lost power – probably trees down – but touch wood – we are still in light.

      Our “garden” is a swimming pool (we don’t have one of them) – but hopefully will be down in a couple of days. Lots of local flooding – but nothing major – we live towards top of hill – many much worse off than us – but nothing like NJ/NY – thank goodness. Tis a holiday here tomorrow – hopefully Tuesday we can start working to get the roof fixed before “next time”.

      • January 27, 2013 at 5:26 am

        Wow, we had a once in a 500 year flood in 2010 that had me canoeing into my house! Hope the water drains quickly for you! Wasn’t it just a while ago that your friends to the south were inundated with fire. OY!

        • 304 99ts
          January 27, 2013 at 6:41 am

          The last few years have been a little violent – weather wise – fire, flood drought – whether man made or not – we seem to have an earth that isn’t too friendly at the minute

  62. 305 anniebella
    January 27, 2013 at 6:32 am

    Seem like Chuck “the GOP” Todd is mighty quiet. Any response from him.

  63. January 27, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Agh! I had to talk about this as it is worthy of discussion. Chris Hayes, a Liberal with no sense of pride or loyalty for his Nation- starts off the show with someBody saying…, Nonody saw the fighters in Libya, nobody saw who they were fighting where did they go, did they go to Mali? They do not share a border. ( no but Algeria does)!
    You see what this asshole just tried to do? He was comparing Iraq of 2003 to Libya. Think, Where ate the WMDs, did they go across the border, etc?
    In other words, their is no Al Qaeda and they are our friends, oh and plea stop using Drones.
    Something is seriously wrong with American Anti war Liberals. They have no sense of being an American. At this point, both sides, the Tea Party who wants a brand new corporate run system and The Anti war liberals who want America to surrender.
    I assure you Al Qaeda is real and a threat.
    The Chris Hayes show is made for two people, glen greensand and Cenk Uhygur.
    Anyways…

  64. 308 amk for obama
    January 27, 2013 at 8:27 am

  65. 309 utaustinliberal
    January 27, 2013 at 8:29 am

    • 310 hopefruit2
      January 27, 2013 at 9:20 am

      Yes, it would be just as wrong.

      But what makes it even worse is that Jon Husted (a Republican) is KNOWN to engage in voter suppression antics that would benefit the GOP. He has allegedly come up with strategies for rigging the 2016 elections in favor of the Republican candidate. Husted is of the opinion that it will be very difficult for the GOP to win Ohio going forward unless they change the rules. Chuck Todd agreed with him.

      So Chuck Todd and Husted should not pretend that they were simply having a neutral conversation about “redistricting reform.” That’s like Mitch McConnell and Eric Cantor having a neutral conversation about deficit reduction.


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