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Heckled by ‘gun enthusiasts’ …. enough is enough

Neil Heslin with his son Jesse Lewis, aged 6 – Jesse was one of the 20 children killed in in Sandy Hook

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CTPost: A false fire alarm, 45-minute waits to get into the Capitol complex, even the heckling of a bereaved parent of a Newtown shooting victim marked Monday’s day-long legislative hearing on gun control.

“The Second Amendment!” was shouted by several gun enthusiasts in the meeting room as Neil Heslin, holding a photo of his 6-year-old son, Jesse Lewis, asked why Bushmaster assault-style weapons are allowed to be sold in the state.

“There are a lot of things that should be changed to prevent what happened,” said Heslin, who grew up using guns and seemed undisturbed by the interruption of his testimony…..

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150 Responses to “Heckled by ‘gun enthusiasts’ …. enough is enough”


    • 2 99ts
      January 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm

      wtg Maryl – and I am still talking to myself on the last thread.

      Horrible, horrible people that love guns more than children – but I am sure the very least of Mr Heslin’s concerns. Impossible to imagine his grief and I am so pleased he is talking about the issues.

    • 4 Dudette
      January 28, 2013 at 8:43 pm

      Go maryl1 — leaving us all in the dust again, I see! :-)

      • January 28, 2013 at 9:07 pm

        I had a snow day today, so my fingers were all rested up and ready! I did a (very) little cleaning and organizing, a little laundry. Now I’m just sitting here with my kitty on my lap, knitting and staring at the computer waiting for the little notification to pop up ;)

  1. 6 Proud Former White House Intern
    January 28, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Ouch something needs to be done!

  2. January 28, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    This is inexcusable, I’m sick in my stomach. Our voices will be heard. I hope 1/10 of us are as brave as this bereaved father.

  3. 14 Lynn
    January 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Love this family. Thank you for everything, ms chips. ‘Slaughter’ says it all. If my spelling and grammer are off

    blame the tears

  4. January 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Chips, when I click the first link I get a “page not found”. The difference between the dad in the photos and the dad as he is today shows the terrible heartbreak the and the other parents have lived through. The demented souls who are yelling Second Amendment have lost their grip on reality and any sense of the importance of things.

  5. January 28, 2013 at 8:41 pm

  6. 17 desertflower
    January 28, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Just horrid, despicable behavior. I have a feeling that these kinds of people are the ones that will put the nail in the NRA’s coffin. I have always thought that they (NRA and their ilk) would be the ones to do it to themselves…Americans with a functioning brain aren’t buying the load of bullshit they’ve been peddling anymore. When the life a someone’s child becomes LESS important than your assault weapon….that’s fucked up.

  7. January 28, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    • 19 susanne
      January 28, 2013 at 9:02 pm

      ‘ Authorities in Manatee County say no charges will be filed against a woman who accidentally shot her fiancé in the leg at a gun range.

      The couple was with a large group shooting at Manatee Gun and Archery Club in Myakka City on Saturday afternoon.

      The sheriff’s office report said a casing flew from the woman’s gun and landed inside her blouse, causing her to flinch. She bent over to get the casing out of her blouse when the gun accidentally fired.

      The bullet hit the man in his right thigh, passing through his leg.

      He was taken to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

      The Sarasota Herald Tribune reports the shooting was ruled an accident after deputies interviewed witnesses at the gun range. The couple was not identified. ‘

      charles pierce links to this article, saying, ‘ Personally, I blame videogames. ‘

      http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/guns-and-people-dont-mix-012813

      • 20 99ts
        January 28, 2013 at 9:27 pm

        If you google “wife shoots husband” or “husband shoots wife” – the results are truly astounding. First time I even saw a handgun was in 1978 at Dulles airport (scarey day). In my world even the police didn’t carry guns in 1978!

  8. 21 amk for obama
    January 28, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Chips, your linkys need to be fixed.

  9. 23 amk for obama
    January 28, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    I need some rebuttals to this rwnj’s tweet.

  10. 41 Lynn
    January 28, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    A minute number of agressive wackjobs keep us reacting to them on every thead and every web site.

    They are vocal. rude and disruptive. THANK GOODNESS Ms Chips cuts them off at the pass.

    This is one place where I can find like minded folks.

  11. January 28, 2013 at 9:02 pm

  12. 43 veryslowwriter
    January 28, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    “Heslin, who grew up using guns and seemed undisturbed by the interruption of his testimony”

    I would think so. He’s already had the worst imaginable thing in the world happen to him. He’s not upset by random assholes.

  13. January 28, 2013 at 9:32 pm

  14. 49 carolyn
    January 28, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Second amendment “rights” are NOT more important than children’s lives.
    This gun safety debate is different from others in my memory. Real live actual people whose lives have been wrecked by guns are speaking up, and people are listening. I don’t think the NRA has enough money to drown out their voices.
    Watched the rollout of the immigration reform today in bits and pieces, heard McGrumpy’s little spiel…..the president has no competition from them. McGrumpy admitted right up front in front of everyone that this initiative is about votes, nothing else; he has been counting votes.
    This is a “lipstick on a pig” attempt…..and we know how well that worked with the tundra twit. It won’t work any better with McGrumpy and his girlfriend. There are big problems with the Senate program that I’ve heard outlined already.
    However, as our friend bob tweeted, if President Obama had not won, this immigration reform wouldn’t even be up for debate. We need to keep that front and center.

    • 50 majiir
      January 28, 2013 at 9:49 pm

      I also noticed that today, he finally admitted that the border has been more secure the last five years than it’s ever been. This puts the lie to his 2010 campaign ad with Paul Babeu in which he said, “Build the danged fence!”, or some such nonsense. His admission today shows that he knew the ad was a lie, but he was willing to lie to the people of AZ to get re-elected to the Senate. McCain is a despicable individual, and if he thinks minorities, and I am one, will be flocking to the GOP because the party is willing to do its’ job, he’s nuts. He and the others who are strategizing that more Latinos and other minorities will flock to the GOP if he and other republicans vote for immigration reform have very short memories, but the minorities that they’ve offended, don’t. We know how lowdown they really are. We know that neither they, nor their supporters, think we’re their equal. How? By the way they have treated President Obama who is not only over-qualified to be POTUS, but who is smarter than all of the republicans in Congress combined.

  15. 52 kathryn kivett
    January 28, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    I don’t know what to say other than I am not surprised by the sick heckling of the Sandy Hook Father…..These people listen to vile, twisted lies all day long from Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Shawn Hannity, Fox & Friends and their guests, and God only knows who else….they are bombarded through email, mail, radio, tv, internet blogs, tweets, and newspapers with false information and hate……so I ask……what makes two people listening to the same words being spoken, whether you agree with them or not, react in such different manners….one with respect and compassion…the other with hate and vitriol?…Is it genes or is it environment? What makes people believe everything they hear or read without question?…is it intelligence or lack there of?…Are reactions dictated by mental health?…..I know one thing, it is scary as Hell to think that there are millions of people walking around with guns that are so angry and full of hate.

    • 53 99ts
      January 28, 2013 at 9:41 pm

      I think many so called “hecklers” are paid to be in attendance. It is hard to believe that guns over babies could otherwise be argued.

      • 54 susanne
        January 28, 2013 at 9:48 pm

        and can you imagine being a person who would perform such despicable acts for money? bad enough if they’re just crazed rwnjs.

        • 55 99ts
          January 28, 2013 at 10:17 pm

          I imagine they are people for whom the gop’s policies have hit extremely hard – they have sunk into serious poverty and just cannot believe they “live on welfare” so attack the President anyway they can – because he is their safety net – sad and incomprehensible.

  16. 56 majiir
    January 28, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    I keep wondering what it will take to make the NRA, other pro-gun organizations, and the 2nd Amendment nutjobs think of the 20 kids and six adults who were massacred at Sandy Hook as real people with families that love/loved them. It seems as if their love of guns outweighs everything else–even people’s lives. Their behavior is despicable. The parents and family members of these victims are still hurting and will most likely be in pain over their loss for the rest of their lives, and these nutjobs have the gall to disparage their right to grieve over their loss. These folks have to be marginalized and shamed for their ugly behavior. Wayne LaPierre is headed to the WH tomorrow, and I expect to hear more lies from him. The rep of a gun manufacturer at this hearing in CT today revealed the real reason they don’t want any gun control laws—their love of money. We, as a nation, are better than this, or at least I used to think 99.999% of us were, until I retired and have been able to spend more time witnessing just how unhinged some of us are and how corrupt many of our politicians are by their willingness to sell their votes for campaign funds and other perks. We have so-called Christians who are willing to choose guns over the lives of people, even our innocent children. All I can remember when I think about them is an old saying my parents had,”These folks are going to hell in a hand basket.” If only this would turn out to be true for these gun-obsessed nutjobs who abuse Christianity and devalue human life in the interest of profits, and for those who greedily and voraciously buy multiple types of guns as a remedy for their non-existent humanity.

  17. 59 carolmaewy
    January 28, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    One of my FB friend that is for Prez. Obama is going to publicly name the posters that threaten the pres. Or family, etc. sorry, can’t remember where.

  18. January 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    • 61 Lynn
      January 28, 2013 at 9:51 pm

      Thank you for the link and all your efforts, lovely. I don’t know how you do ti.

    • January 28, 2013 at 9:58 pm

      I snapped Lynn, but I want all of us to be ready for bear, to take down these SOB’s once and for all. I feel it is a duty as a citizen to stand up and right a wrong, and as they say there is always “strength in numbers”

    • 64 jackiegrumbacher
      January 28, 2013 at 10:27 pm

      People who’ve been indoctrinated by Faux and the NRA refuse to believe this. You tell them and they say it isn’t so, despite the evidence. Facts just don’t matter.

  19. 65 PoliticalJunkessa
    January 28, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    These disgusting, deranged gun lunatics. I wish we could ship them all to Somalia or Yemen, or somewhere barren in the US where they can have all the guns they want, shoot each other up, and leave the rest of us alone. They will eventually be defeated, I am certain, but in the meantime we have to hear all their insane, bloodthirsty rantings. Enough is enough indeed!

  20. 70 susanne
    January 28, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    gee, why would newsweek do that? possibly to distance themselves from the disgusting position they’re taking?

    ‘ Newsweek has published a bizarre rant on guns by playwright David Mamet as the cover story of its latest issue. Riddled with falsehoods, the piece alleges that efforts to strengthen gun laws — many of which are supported by a majority of Americans — are actually a Marxist plot.

    Over the course of his hysterical rant, Mamet offers up several false or illogical claims. Notably, it is puzzling that Newsweek would turn to a writer for a major story on guns who is apparently wholly unfamiliar with the existence of the federal background check system or the definition of assault weapons during the current political debate — especially after the publication acknowledged that they have no fact-checking department but instead “rely on our writers to submit factually accurate material.” ‘

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/28/3-major-flaws-in-newsweeks-red-baiting-gun-rant/192416

    • January 28, 2013 at 10:17 pm

      Mamet was a raging leftist until he had a conversion. Now he’s more Right than Rush Limbaugh.

      • 72 susanne
        January 28, 2013 at 10:32 pm

        and what’s newsweek’s angle, in giving this raging switch hitter the cover of their magazine, and lead story, in which to rant at length, but without benefit of editing or fact-checking, on an incendiary topic at a time of national mourning? it sure isn’t to inform or elevate discourse.

      • 73 Lynn
        January 28, 2013 at 10:42 pm

        Why don’t they just nominate, rush? Maybe that’s something that makes sense in wingerworld.

        Good to see both of you home again.

  21. January 28, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    These are some of the most evil and heartless people on the face of the earth. Heckling a parent whose little innocent child was slaughtered? How do they sleep at night? Where is their conscience? God help us as a country when we have no mercy for the suffering of others.

  22. 78 Lynn
    January 28, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    That child is the face of America. We have a choice. BE AFRAID all the time. Build walls and get MORE GUNS.

  23. 79 4morefor44
    January 28, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    what horrible, disgusting people these libertarian/republican gun nuts are!

    and wait. so the n.r.a. is always saying “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” but now they’re saying video games and hollywood kill people?!? these people are so frickin stupid i literally cannot stand them in my life anymore. recently, i’ve been telling long-term “friends” who are robotically saying all the usual n.r.a talking points to not even bother contacting me for anything. these people are poison in our lives. if sandy hook can’t make them see how wrong and illogical they are, then nothing will. replace these friends, and often relatives, with people from your local o.f.a. group for starters. your life will instantly improve and your attitude will improve especially.

  24. January 28, 2013 at 10:22 pm

  25. 81 jackiegrumbacher
    January 28, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    There’s some serious pathology at work in this country when large numbers of people lose all sense of empathy and concern for human life. These people are so obsessed with the ownership of a “thing” that human life–even the life of a child–pales in comparison. Once you start putting so little value on human life, once you say that it’s insignificant compared to your “right,” you’ve given up some of your own humanity. For years, Republicans have devalued the importance of empathy. They even ridiculed PBO when he talked about empathy as a trait he would seek in a Supreme Court Justice. This was weakness, they all said, and showed that the “community organizer” president wasn’t tough enough to make the big decisions. It’s part and parcel of the “light footprint” rant that McCain is always banging on about. We should be a big macho nation–shoot up every pesky country we don’t like and bomb Iran to smithereens. And if people die, they die. What does it matter as long as we show how powerful we are. This is the mindset that’s now invaded a disturbingly large number of American heads, played out in the frightening assertions that rising numbers of dead people are an okay price to pay for guns. As a country, we have a lot of serious issues to confront in the coming years, from the economy, to climate change, to political suppression to an outmoded education system, but the biggest issue of all is reclaiming our humanity. If we can’t as a people rise up to protect and care about each other and ACT to prevent large numbers of people from dying because of the careless use of guns, we really fail as a society. What it all comes down to in the end is the urgent, overriding need to reclaim our country’s soul. President Obama and VP Biden are this nation’s real warriors and among the bravest and strongest people in this country. They see the dark place we’re heading for and they’re saying “Enough.” They need all of us to say it, too.

    • January 28, 2013 at 10:26 pm

      “…. but the biggest issue of all is reclaiming our humanity. If we can’t as a people rise up to protect and care about each other and ACT to prevent large numbers of people from dying because of the careless use of guns, we really fail as a society.”

      Exactly, Jackie.

  26. January 28, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Despicably perverse and crystal clear evidence of how those lusting for profit from the sale of guns & ammo have used the NRA to infect Americans with fear and treachery.

    #FORWARD

  27. January 28, 2013 at 10:27 pm

  28. 85 anniebella
    January 28, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Something is wrong with people who think that owning a gun matters more than someone losing their child to gun violence.

  29. 86 hopefruit2
    January 28, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    OMG…Arch Emoprog du jour John Avarosis is being very nasty on Twitter – calling PBO’s supporter’s “gay-hating Obamabots” and being very delusional that he “busted his ass to get PBO elected” so he has a right to say whatever he want. Accusing people (whom he doesn’t even know) of not doing anything to get PBO elected.

  30. 96 Dudette
    January 28, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    This segment from Rev Al’s show today illustrates the depths of the gun industry and the people who worship them:

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/politicsnation/50621192/#50621192

    Gun industry spends millions marketing to kids
    Jan. 28: The gun industry has given millions of dollars to groups that promote guns to children. Rev. Al Sharpton explains the outrage over marketing deadly weapons to children, and why Americans should heed the story of people like Shirley Chambers, who lost her four children to gun violence.

    • 97 Dudette
      January 28, 2013 at 10:36 pm

      Statistic quoted in that segment: 1317 gun deaths since the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre

    • 98 Dudette
      January 28, 2013 at 10:38 pm

      • 99 jackiegrumbacher
        January 28, 2013 at 10:42 pm

        This is about as low and, yes, soulless as you can get. We have laws against child porn and this is worse. This is the flagrant promotion of child killing.

        • 100 Dudette
          January 28, 2013 at 10:50 pm

          … and encouraging children to kill. There really ought to be a law against this. You can’t market alcohol or cigarettes to children, but this is okay?!! I’ve been using this word a lot lately when it comes to describing the extreme right, but I’m simply unable to describe it any better: It’s evil, plain and simple.

    • 101 nathkatun7
      January 29, 2013 at 1:16 am

      Dudette, I hope you are feeling better. Thank you for sharing the link. Rev. Al was righteous. The story of the mother who lost all her four children touched me deeply. Talk about human strength! Where does she find all the strength to carry-on?

      • 102 Dudette
        January 29, 2013 at 2:25 am

        Thanks Nath! I am feel better. I’m off the hardcore pain relief stuff since this afternoon and, happily Tylenol’s been okay. Fingers crossed for tomorrow at work.

        Yes, she really is the definition of “tower of stength”. I think I’d be catatonic. This gun violence must stop.

  31. 103 0388jojothecat
    January 28, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    ALSO……GO TO SANDYHOOKPROMISE.ORG and sign up to join this group to promise to remember the 26 killed. I was on the Orange place and a local graphic artist made a beautiful green graphic of all the kids names (in white) shaped in a heart and below said remember 12-14-12. I am going to write the Sandy Hook Promise organization to have that graphic made into ribbons, posters, bumperstickers, t-shirts, bags, etc., to sell so that this is a NATIONWIDE VISUAL THAT WE WILL NOT FORGET. THAT SAFE FROM GUNS LEGISLATION MUST PASS THIS YEAR!

  32. 109 Dudette
    January 28, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Source of the stat quoted by Reverend Al today:

    How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown? [striking crowdsource, interactive, infograph]

    http://slate.me/125AtrL

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  34. January 28, 2013 at 10:48 pm

  35. 114 amk for obama
    January 28, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    via bj

    • 116 desertflower
      January 28, 2013 at 10:53 pm

      Time Is Ripe To Consider Liability Insurance For Gun Owners

      As the gun debate heats up, one idea seems particularly suited for Connecticut to consider: liability insurance for gun owners.

      This is the kind of mandatory insurance you have to get to drive a car — and the kind of protection that costs more if you want to take what the industry knows is a calculated risk. Letting your teenager get behind the wheel is a good example.

      When I wanted my son to drive the family cars, my insurance agent offered a market-based solution: pay for the risk and he could drive. Nobody said my son couldn’t drive — but I had to acknowledge the extreme danger that comes with a teenage boy in the driver’s seat. We know this because of extensive research on teenagers and driving by the insurance industry.

    • January 28, 2013 at 10:56 pm

      Yes We Can

      • 118 desertflower
        January 28, 2013 at 11:04 pm

        Thanks so much….we’ve been saying this all along. DON’T take their precious away…but, by God, if they are used in a crime, etc…they should be liable for all that this entails. Right now, they aren’t…and the rest of us are not safe. I think it’s called RESPONSIBILITY!

        • January 28, 2013 at 11:07 pm

          Exactly, df, and that responsibility extends to every person in the gun and ammo supply chain, as well – all of whom should be required to carry appropriate and strict liability insurance to manufacture, sell and use guns, ammo and ammo assembly equipment and components.

  36. January 28, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Lovely, an invasion of NRA turds tonight, eg Christopher who couldn’t see anything wrong with the ‘gun enthusiasts’ shouting “the Second Amendment!!” while Neil Heslin spoke. Seriously, he could see nothing wrong with it.

    “Did I miss something?” he asked.

    Oh boy, what a world.

  37. January 28, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    And another one:

  38. 134 relellit
    January 28, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    This gunnuts shouting “The Second Amendment!” have no idea what the 2nd amendment is. George Washington would be turning over in his grave. That is a bogus narrative flamed by the NRA, their wholly owned republican subsidiaries in Congress, and FAKE NEWS aka FOX.

    The rebellion alarmed retired Gen. George Washington who received reports on the developments from old Revolutionary War associates in Massachusetts, such as Gen. Henry Knox and Gen. Benjamin Lincoln. Washington was particularly concerned that the disorder might serve the interests of the British, who had only recently accepted the existence of the United States

    On Oct. 22, 1786, in a letter seeking more information about the rebellion from a friend in Connecticut, Washington wrote: “I am mortified beyond expression that in the moment of our acknowledged independence we should by our conduct verify the predictions of our transatlantic foe, and render ourselves ridiculous and contemptible in the eyes of all Europe.”

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/real-rationale-2nd-amendment-right-wingers-are-totally-ignorant-about

    President Washington, confronted with what appeared to be an armed insurrection in western Pennsylvania, proceeded cautiously. Although determined to maintain government authority, he did not want to alienate public opinion. He asked his cabinet for written opinions about how to deal with the crisis. The cabinet recommended the use of force, except for Secretary of State Edmund Randolph, who urged reconciliation.[75

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#Federal_response

    Washington rode at the head of an army to suppress the insurgency. The rebels all went home before the arrival of the army, and there was no confrontation. About 20 men were arrested, but all were later acquitted or pardoned.

    The Whiskey Rebellion demonstrated that the new national government had the willingness and ability to suppress violent resistance to its law.

  39. 135 99ts
    January 28, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    I’m thinking that I may sound like an advertizement – but the oz share market is up over 1% today (closed yesterday for Australia Day). The financial world & along with it people’s retirement investments have recovered strongly since the 2008 crash.

    Those who are fighting gun reform as individuals – not the NRA or lobbyist mouth pieces – are perhaps small time GOP members looking for ANYTHING to use as an attack on the President. Many of them have probably lost their livelihood since the financial collapse and just cannot believe they are dependent on the democratic party and the President for their survival. The safety net doesn’t care about political leanings.

    I do wonder which politicians of either party will try and stop any legislation being introduced on gun control – it truly is time for folks to stand up and be counted. I do feel somewhat privileged to live in an environment where guns are not an issue in my life. The horror of Port Arthur and in particular, the death of 2 young children and the strength of their father, made all the difference.

  40. 136 amk for obama
    January 28, 2013 at 11:05 pm

  41. January 28, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Just checking in for a short update before I go to bed. New job, new work schedule, new town, new apartment, old friends and family…so much going on I’m finding it harder to read and post on blogs lately. I don’t have a routine down yet, but it’s only been 3 weeks, so no big deal. I suspect once I get some furniture up in here, it’ll be better. So far, just bare bones furnishings.

    Anyway, with the new earlier schedule, I get sleepy at earlier hours. So good night guys.

    • 145 susanne
      January 28, 2013 at 11:31 pm

      good night, lamh~ glad to hear you’re settling in to the new job and situation. big change takes its toll on the body, so do attend to the yearning for sleep! don’t want you catching a bug, with all the new germs in the new air at your new workplace :)

    • 146 Dudette
      January 29, 2013 at 2:30 am

      Nite lamh. So good to hear your move is going along smoothly. What a way to start the new year with a fresh start! Even though it’s good change, it’s still called stress. Take care of yourself and rest when your body tells you it needs it.

      Susanne’s got a good point too: Keep the bugs away — Don’t forget to wash your hands! :-)

  42. 148 carla4obama
    January 28, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    “Bill Stevens, of Newtown, who has a daughter in town schools, promised that in the case of a home invasion, he would be calling 911 after first shooting the people threatening his family.
    He paraphrased a famous gun-rights quotation: “I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands,” Stevens said to the applause of supporters at about 5:30 p.m.”

    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Father-of-Newtown-victim-heckled-at-hearing-4228992.php#ixzz2JKnBoaGn

    So how does ANY of the proposals Obama has made effect this man in protecting his family?? I simply do not understand their logic!!!

    • 149 99ts
      January 29, 2013 at 1:42 am

      He would probably misfire and shoot one of his family first – or have a fight with his wife and pull out the gun – both happening much more often than a “home invasion”.

    • 150 Anna
      January 29, 2013 at 3:16 am

      I wonder what he would do if his daughters was one of those that was killed by a gun? If the shooter didn’t die, what would he do, hunt down the shooter?


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