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We must stand our ground..

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Reactions from African Americans yesterday to the Travon Martin Verdict

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Reactions around the world

Germany

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Spain

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Turkey

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UAE

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This may be parody, but….

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What are the options? Link

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Full Episode ” Justice for Travon”

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The life that was unjustly lost…. is unfortunately not the last one. We must do something about it!

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139 Responses to “We must stand our ground..”


  1. July 16, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Bet y’all didn’t know there was a part 2 to B37’s interview. It’s on AC360 now. My TL is lighting up.

  2. 11 MightyPamela
    July 16, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    O

  3. 14 a4alice
    July 16, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    holy mackerel I take a day off – there’s so much that’s happened. Chips that previous post is a monster and LP look at this post!! :D

    Well. I’ll be back later after I catch up!

    thanks Chips and LP :-)

  4. 15 Layla
    July 16, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Magnificent post LP!!!

    • 16 nathkatun7
      July 17, 2013 at 1:56 am

      Totally second that, Laylat! UT, Chips, LP, they’ve been “magnificent” all day, as always!

  5. 17 amk for obama
    July 16, 2013 at 8:16 pm

  6. July 16, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Thank you SO much LP, wonderful post – especially love the world reaction.

  7. 25 amk for obama
    July 16, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    lmao at bbc’s desperate attempt to somehow ‘scandalize’ snowden saga. snowden seeks russian asylum was the screaming 24 point FP lede a few hours, then it was pushed to 12 point also-rans and now it’s back to FP as the 2nd lede on FP. Except gigibots.no one gives a shit, beebs.

  8. July 16, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Apparently, Hayes is conducting a good discussion re: Trayvon. Color me shocked.

  9. July 16, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    That last photo of Trayvon is so adorable. So sad for his parents and brother. May something good come out of this tragedy.

  10. 28 amk for obama
    July 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    The bill allowing same-sex couples to marry in England and Wales has passed its final hurdle in Parliament.

    The government legislation is now due to get royal assent, after which it is likely to become law later this week.

    The Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat leaderships all backed the bill, after the Lords approved the changes on Monday.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23338279

  11. 30 Jovie
    July 16, 2013 at 8:26 pm

  12. July 16, 2013 at 8:29 pm

  13. July 16, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Noms will gought through Sen. Harkin’s HELP committee next Tues. Confirmed on Thursday.

  14. July 16, 2013 at 8:36 pm

  15. 43 desertflower
    July 16, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/16/2312051/texas-democrats-death-penalty-abortion/

    Texas Lawmaker Introduces Bill To Block Abortion Restrictions Until The Death Penalty Is Abolished

  16. July 16, 2013 at 8:37 pm

  17. July 16, 2013 at 8:42 pm

  18. 46 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:42 pm

  19. 49 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    July 16, 2013 at 8:43 pm

  20. July 16, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    • 52 pkayden
      July 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm

      So who’s the thug?

      • 53 EricFive
        July 16, 2013 at 10:35 pm

        Unfortunately, for many Americans the answer would still be Trayvon Martin. They talk about hoodies and tattoos, but Trayvon was DEFINED by his race. His blackness doomed him.

  21. 54 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:46 pm

  22. 55 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    • 56 arapaho415
      July 16, 2013 at 8:55 pm

      Dudette,

      This is so totally off-topic, but reminded by your penguin posting last thread.

      If you ever have the opportunity to go to Alaska, the aquarium there was built with funds from Exxon-Valdez.

      It’s absolutely spectacular. The aquarium is open at the top, so you see the Arctic birds coming and going. Mesmerizing. You could watch for hours.

      On that note, Exxon-Valdez still hasn’t paid for long-term environmental damage:

      Here’s the pic Dudette posted on the last thread:

  23. 59 dotster3
    July 16, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    One juror was a holdout until the end—–“wanted to find him guilty of something”. Waited 30 minutes after everyone else had submitted final polling to add hers. Finally gave in. B37 didn’t seem interested in ever wanting to find him guilty of anything. But I join all the other Monday morning quarterbacking in pummeling the prosecution case. I thought it was really weak——started out really weak, had really weak witnesses——that medical examiner was the worst I’ve ever seen——and ended weak. And I think the lawyers on AC360 made a good point in that the defense had all these witnesses to testify for Zimmerman—-the best friend ever and really nice guy etc. etc.—–and the jury became more familiar with him—-thus identified more with him than Trayvon. The prosecution needed more witnesses to tell Trayvon’s story, to make him familiar to the jury, to enable them to identify with him as well. Other than family, they only had Rachel Jeantel, and I don’t think she did his case any favors. But probably the most critical thing in the case was the jury instructions—–even tho stand your ground wasn’t part of this case, oficially, those words were used in the jury instructions, convincing those predisposed to not guilty verdicts that they were right according to the law, that he had a right to defend himself if he feared great bodily harm—–and enabled them to bring the others who wanted to find him guilty along.

    • 60 EricFive
      July 16, 2013 at 10:29 pm

      Too bad Trayvon wasn’t white. The verdict would have been different. Stalking, disobeying police orders to stay in the car and murdering a white teenager would at least warrant a manslaughter verdict. Do you disagree?

      • 61 No Child Left Behind
        July 16, 2013 at 10:44 pm

        Trayvon’s fate was decided a second time with the choice of his legal team, the witnesses it brought, and the jury selected. I still cannot understand why there were no black mothers on the jury.

        J B57’s interview revealed that her mind was made regardless of any evidence. She found GZ not guilty and would have not changed her mind for any reason. In addition, I would not be surprised that she was the leader “leading” the other holdouts to change their verdict. She kept on referring to GZ as “George”; that is how intimate she sees her relationship with him or rapport toward him. She came into to this trial with her predisposed disposition toward GZ with whom she relates. She would certainly not relate to Trayvon whom she saw through the lenses of Rachel Jeantel!

        I wish she would sleep well, with her conscience intact. I wish GZ to enjoy his freedom and to keep killing young kids with whom he is not at ease.

        • 62 EricFive
          July 16, 2013 at 10:56 pm

          Trayvon was the “Other” to these jurors. Had he been white, these jurors would have more easily identified with him, sympathized more with the pain of his parents. The jurors would have viewed Zimmerman as a threat to THEIR kids and grandkids if he had murdered a white teen. I believe the prosecution did not want to convict Zimmerman, that would explain the composition of the jury.

  24. 64 utaustinliberal
    July 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 65 amk for obama
      July 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm

      Is it possible to declare a mistrial by DOJ and start all over again? Double jeopardy notwithstanding.

      • 66 nathkatun7
        July 17, 2013 at 2:36 am

        Nope! Double jeopardy tramps everything. Moreover, the federal government, from the get go, could not have prosecuted GZ for murder because all crimes (except in specific exceptions such as Bank robbery, drug dealing, carjacking, terrorism, Civil Rights Violation, hate crime etc., which are federal crimes) are exclusively a state matter. The only options left to the DOJ is to try GZ under Civil Rights’ statutes for violation of Trayvon’s Civil Rights, or. under the hate crimes statute for committing a hate crime. If convicted under either scenario he can serve a prison sentence. Either way, It won’t be easy.

    • 67 arapaho415
      July 16, 2013 at 9:01 pm

      The entire Florida courtroom is culpable (at least those who wield power — the judge, both sets of attorneys, the jury).

      We would be wise to heed John Oliver’s advise from The Daily Show last night (posted on an earlier thread, but you view on TheDailyShow.com).

      We have Florida to thank for the 2000 Bush v Gore. It seems like it’s been downhill since then. (No offense to Floridians, but honestly, this is a travesty.)

  25. 68 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm

  26. 69 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:53 pm

  27. 70 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:54 pm

  28. 74 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:55 pm

  29. 75 donna dem 4 obama
    July 16, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Axe for the win!!! :lol:

    • 76 Nena20409
      July 16, 2013 at 9:03 pm

      Father, Dick was tasked to get a VP running mate and he decimated all and self selected himself. Liz Cheney…..is challenging sen Enzi, a family Friend? Hmm?

    • 77 arapaho415
      July 16, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      Love Axe!

      GOP always accuse Dems of being humorless, but I think they’ve got it exactly backward.

  30. 78 amk for obama
    July 16, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    • 79 EricFive
      July 16, 2013 at 10:45 pm

      The MSM will never criticize Republicans alone. They save that for Dems. Republicans are only criticized in a “both sides do it” manner.

  31. 80 desertflower
    July 16, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Just a reminder that GZ dad…was a judge in that town. Just sayin’….

  32. 89 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:57 pm

  33. 90 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 8:58 pm

  34. 93 Nena20409
    July 16, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Born this way

    • 94 Nena20409
      July 16, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      How did the other 2 videos vanish? I saw them posted. Anybody? Okay….I am out.

      • July 16, 2013 at 9:17 pm

        Hi Nena, I removed all the others videos because too many slow up a thread, which is frustrating when there’s a discussion going on. Posting lots of music videos is fine in a music thread, hope you understand.

        • 96 Nena20409
          July 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm

          I was showing my support for all those posting pictures of their sons, brothers, nephews, etc. My apologies.

            • 98 MightyPamela
              July 16, 2013 at 10:47 pm

              Thanks for this, Chipsticks, I have found that I can’t sty on the threads when there lots of music and vids, as I am on a somewhat limited data plan (5GB/mo) and it eats huge chunks of data to comment and refresh. That is why I do not attend in the evenings and night owls, nor can I ever watch the videos. Such is life, eh? ;)

  35. 100 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm

  36. 101 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 9:06 pm

  37. 106 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 9:07 pm

  38. 107 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 9:08 pm

  39. 108 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 9:09 pm

  40. 112 donna dem 4 obama
    July 16, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Chips is on twitter ripping David Sirota a new one :lol: :lol: :lol:

  41. 115 utaustinliberal
    July 16, 2013 at 9:16 pm

  42. 116 Nena20409
    July 16, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-next-zimmerman-fox-reports-on-76-year-old-white-man-on-trial-for-killing-13-year-old-black-child/

    The shooter was arrested. In the Zimmer case, for 44 days, no arrest was made. This kid in Milwaukee, WI was only 13 yrs old.

  43. 118 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 9:19 pm

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  45. 122 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    • 123 purpleshoesla
      July 16, 2013 at 10:08 pm

      Thanks for all of these Dudette. Retweeted all with a huge lump in my throat,tears feeling a strange mixture of pride, sadness and anger.

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  48. July 16, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    How George Zimmerman’s Acquittal Became My Negro Wake-Up Call

    Posted July 15, 2013 by Christina Coleman for Global Grind Staff

    The rude alarm clock that propelled me back into my uncomfortable state of constant rage as a black woman in this country went shrieking when the judge read George Zimmerman’s “not guilty” verdict.

    And this time, there were no snooze buttons, no temporary celebratory black wins to even the score with the insatiable race monster, no easy way to swallow the pill.

    It seemed the victory I thought we would gain, standing on the precipice of this undoubtedly historic trial, had crumbled in my hands. Harsh. Hard. And then gone. Like someone had splashed cold water on my slumbering mind…

    I woke the fuck up.

    Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/how-george-zimmermans-acquittal-became-my-negro-wake-up-call-blog#ixzz2ZGHvRM6l

  49. 130 vitaminlover
    July 16, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    We will not have a holocaust of our young male children. They are too precious.

  50. 131 Dudette
    July 16, 2013 at 9:31 pm

  51. July 16, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    I don’t get Booman lately. He seems to have a different take on most everything; not a complete opposite; just on the fringe different than what I used to see him write. He took exception to Charles Pierce’s post from yesterday for some odd reason; I think basically Booman saying that racism and violence existed before this trial. Huh? Ya think? I don’t get it.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/7/15/01525/2002

    And to the issue of black on black violence I saw statistics that crime has to do with location and income level. So white on white crime is high too in areas where there is only whites and low incomes/unemployment.

    • July 16, 2013 at 10:01 pm

      A curious post.

      “The Zimmerman trial jurors didn’t write any laws. They didn’t issue any judicial opinions. They didn’t create any actual legal precedent.”

      Whoever argued that? Not Charles Pierce. “The judgment, when it finally came, was a dull and predictable thing,” he said.

      All that jury did was rubber-stamp existing prejudices, and allow yet another murderer go free. On we go. I didn’t take anything from Pierce’s post that suggested he believed otherwise – his fear, it seemed to me, was that people like Zimmerman will be emboldened by the verdict and trust that the ‘law’ will be even more on their side after this travesty. And he’s probably right.

      • 134 EricFive
        July 16, 2013 at 11:06 pm

        Maybe his mom was on the jury.

      • 135 nathkatun7
        July 17, 2013 at 3:33 am

        ““The Zimmerman trial jurors didn’t write any laws. They didn’t issue any judicial opinions. They didn’t create any actual legal precedent.”

        This is really a stupid statement. No other jury has ever done any of these things Booman listed. Only the Federal and State legislatures “write laws.” (lLocal governments (LG) do write laws too, but LGs are regarded as sub-divisions of the State governments.) Only Federal and State judges issue “judicial opinions” and “create …legal precedent.” Legislators do not hand down verdicts in laws suits. While Trial Judges do decide cases that are not tried by juries, the fact of the matter is: its the juries that decide cases. George Zimmerman was found “Not Guilty” not by Judges, or theLegislators, but by the six jurors! Sure they may have been influenced by the Fl. laws and by the presiding judge’s instructions, but the ultimate decision was theirs and theirs alone! It’s silly to try to excuse their failure to dispense justice by suggesting that they were somehow innocent bystanders who were simply doing what the legislators and judges wanted them to do. If that’s the case, what’s the use of having juries?

        • 136 forus50
          July 17, 2013 at 9:07 am

          Exactly. Booman has always been somewhat of an Eeyore which is fine but generally doesn’t post false arguments to make a point.

  52. 137 vitaminlover
    July 16, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Zimmerman better hope that someone doesn’t decide to ‘stand their ground’ with him.


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