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ObamaCare ….. Working Beautifully

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FACT SHEET: Middle Class Americans Saving Billions under the Health Care Law’s Medical Loss Ratio Refunds

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President Obama before speaking about the Affordable Healthcare Act in the East Room of the White House, July 18

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Text of the President’s remarks here

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203 Responses to “ObamaCare ….. Working Beautifully”


  1. 1 Nena20409
    July 18, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    GA TODers :)

  2. 3 jacquelineoboomer
    July 18, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Thanks, President Obama!

  3. July 18, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    A million dollar smile

  4. 15 jacquelineoboomer
    July 18, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Ahhh … lunch with my Vice President’s voice … er … I mean very important message … humming in the background. Go, Joey!

  5. 16 57andfemale
    July 18, 2013 at 1:53 pm

  6. 19 Layla
    July 18, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130718/us-nsa-surveillance-security/?utm_hp_ref=homepage&ir=homepage

    ASPEN, Colo. — A top defense official says the National Security Agency is implementing new security measures because of the disclosures by former NSA-systems-analyst-turned-fugitive Edward Snowden.
    Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter says systems administrators like Snowden must now work with another colleague when accessing sensitive, compartmented intelligence. That’s the kind Snowden leaked to the media, revealing that the agency was gathering millions of U.S. phone records and intercepting some U.S. Internet traffic.
    Speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado, Carter says they are implementing a “two-man rule” everywhere systems administrators have “elevated” clearance to read sensitive information. Access to data will be limited as well instead of storing so much on a single server.

    • July 18, 2013 at 2:25 pm

      “systems administrators like Snowden must now work with another colleague when accessing sensitive, compartmented intelligence.”

      Very good. From the moment the story broke, I always felt I missed a part of the puzzle when intellegence officers said that “all was compartmented”, yet Snowden said he could “access all”. This explains it – there was *no* compatimentalization for system administrators, period.

      Now there is.

    • 21 pkayden
      July 18, 2013 at 4:50 pm

      Isn’t the issue that Snowden was a Contractor? Should Contractors have access to such sensitive classified government information? If you have a colleague working with you and that colleague is also a Contractor, couldn’t we end up with the same problem? The bottom line is that Snowden intentionally obtained his contracting position so that he could access confidential material and then reveal it to media outlets. Not sure how the “two-man rule” would stop that in the future since you could have two Contractors who conspire to do what Snowden just did.

  7. 22 Nena20409
    July 18, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Twin Pandas born at the Atlanta GA Zoo.

    So Cute:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch? feature=player_detailpage&list=PLEb3ThbkPrFZdlzsfu6wdLwZuEzg4w_qE&v=VmhSVwTiP9U#t=12s

  8. 23 vitaminlover
    July 18, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    President Obama, you are one handsome man!

  9. 25 donna dem 4 obama
    July 18, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Please retweet…Thanks!!

    Reminder:

  10. July 18, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    healthcare FACTS!!!

    love it, Chips

  11. July 18, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    From TPM: A Colorado town is offering bounties to anyone who shoots down a drone.

    • 32 theo67
      July 18, 2013 at 2:15 pm

      Destroying government property will have consequences. Is the Colorado town spelling that out to these ignorant people who don’t seem to ever want to pay the consequences for their stupid actions? Inciting people to destroy government property should also carry a fine or penalty.

      • 33 theo67
        July 18, 2013 at 2:15 pm

        And you just know that one of these idiots will shoot down a plane with people on board.

        • 34 Layla
          July 18, 2013 at 2:26 pm

          A Colorado town is considering granting its residents hunting licenses to shoot down drones for bounty money, Reuters reported Wednesday.
          Trustees in Deer Trail, a town of just 600, will bring up an ordinance next month that would allow residents to pay $25 for a license to shoot down “unmanned aerial vehicles” flying under 1,000 feet with a 12-gauge shotgun, according to Reuters. Anyone who could produce “either the nose or the tail” of a drone would be paid $100 under the proposal.
          The resident who crafted the measure, Army veteran Phillip Steel, told Reuters that his proposal is symbolic, although he finds the government’s use of drones for surveillance purposes disturbing.
          “If you don’t want your drone to go down, don’t fly it in town,” Steel said.

          • 35 jacquelineoboomer
            July 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm

            So, let’s see, they have special eyes in Deer Trail that can see stealthy drones overhead, and not just mistake migratin’ Canadian Geese – or the Postal Service’s small plane or maybe a flyover above their state by Liz Cheney – for drones or something?

            Well, then, Phillip Steel, sounds like an ordinance. Army veteran? What Army?

            Maybe “Deer Trail” should get busy shooting down all those satellites up in space, too.

          • 36 desertflower
            July 18, 2013 at 3:01 pm

            Because the STUPID HURTS!

            http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/history/pastprojects/WSFM/index.html#.Ueg6zNLVDrB

            NASA and the U.S. Forest Service successfully demonstrated technologies that improved real-time wildfire imaging and mapping capabilities during a series of research flights by an unmanned research aircraft in the summer and fall of 2007. The Western States Fire Mission flights were a follow-on to a similar campaign during the fall of 2006.

            NASA’s Ikhana, a remotely piloted Predator B unmanned aircraft system adapted for civilian science missions, flew the first four flights between mid-August and late September from NASA’s Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. The flights demonstrated various platform, sensor, and data dissemination technologies related to improving real-time wildfire observations. Each of the flights built upon results of the previous ones to expand the aircraft and sensor system’s capabilities in endurance and range, number of observations made, and flexibility in mission and sensing reconfiguration.

            Shame the rest of us have to suffer because these people can’t think….western forest fires….probably saving the idiots of Deer Trails’ houses….

            • 37 desertflower
              July 18, 2013 at 3:03 pm

              Wonder if we can tell them what they can do with their shotguns?

              With ground-based pilots flying the aircraft between 23,000 feet and 25,000 feet altitude during the first four flights, Ikhana was airborne for a total of 56 hours over eight of the western states and covered more than 8,900 nautical miles. Twenty wildfires in six western states were imaged. NASA Dryden worked closely with the Federal Aviation Administration for approval and coordination of Ikhana’s flights into the national airspace.

              Several of these fires were revisited on long-duration flights to provide time-induced fire progression data. Post fire imagery was captured to aid teams working a Burned Area Emergency Response that will include area stabilization and ecosystem rehabilitation.

          • 38 Anna Luc
            July 18, 2013 at 6:10 pm

            This yahoo does realize that we’ve had satellites that can read a pack of cigarettes from space for over 30 years, right. And that when the secret internal defense squad sends the stealth drone for his ass @ 1:42 AM…he will never see that baby coming.

        • July 18, 2013 at 2:28 pm

          Do you know at what altitude “normal” people cruise above “fly-over country” ? You need some serious ground-to-air missile capability to down a commercial airliner over there.

          Trust me, I do it 2-4 times a year. I don’t get scared by this, I just LMF(at)W(histe)AO.

          • 40 Layla
            July 18, 2013 at 2:40 pm

            I know, they also said the shooters had to make sure the drones were unmanned!!!!! LOL

          • 41 theo67
            July 18, 2013 at 3:20 pm

            I’m not even talking about a commercial airline. More the little planes that do spraying of crops or just private planes that are like little commuter planes.

        • July 18, 2013 at 2:31 pm

          Yeah, there’s NO way this scheme could go wrong…

    • 44 57andfemale
      July 18, 2013 at 2:29 pm

      WTF?????

    • 45 Lynn
      July 18, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      New Insurance Racket. DRONE protection!! Can they sue the ‘real ak carrying heman’ when the drone he shoots down with his 50 cal blows up his neighbors house? Actuary tables gone wild!

      • 46 theo67
        July 18, 2013 at 4:06 pm

        This is a good point, since those drones have self-destruct mechanisms on them. Rachel showed last night that two have come down in the last week, and exploded after impact due to the self-destruct mechanism. The one yesterday caused the area to be cleared, because they weren’t sure if it had exploded yet, or not.

        This is typical Republican behavior. They can’t think past the next gratifying step. they are incapable of taking their actions through to their ultimate conclusion BEFORE they act. And then they refuse to be held accountable for the consequences, crying that people are taking away their “freedoms”. I want to be free from having a shotgun fired into the air by an idiot, and then having a drone fall on my head!

  12. 48 kathryn kivett
    July 18, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    i have so much to say and so much on my mind….first, let’s get this out of the way…..As much as I feel VP Joey would be a marvelous President and as much as I wish he would run, I don’t see it happening….JB is 2 months older than me and granted is in much better physical shape than me, although I’m not a slacker, but this year I have really begun to feel the aging process..I can’t even imagine him tackling the rigors of the office…just think at how it has aged PBO…..if Hillary runs, with the exception of a lot of us, most women will get behind her….I personally would vote for JB…..so…I will be very surprised if he runs……..next…….I am appalled and embarrassed at the attitude of white people about the not guilty verdict of GZ….the Martins were treated so shabbily this morning….so disrespectful…..and they have so much grace, so classy, so strong. and I have a question….what the hell does OJ Simpson have to do with this case? I’m sick of hearing it……and last, the prosecution…why the hell did they allow that woman on the jury?…..was this a set up?…they sure didn’t present much of a case…and totally didn’t prepare the young lady who was talking to Trayvon on her cell….saw her interviews and she was articulate and truthful….I’m sorry, I think that witch who was smiling through the verdict and preening like an aging movie star intended for the verdict to be not guilty……..and last…..I’m in a deep depression about what is going on in NC…..and can’t seem to shake it…….other than that…life is peachy!

    • 49 Layla
      July 18, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      many many hugs for you Kathryn!!!!!! Hang in there! As far NC is concerned try to hook up with a group from OFA, if you can,,, might help…just a suggestion…

    • July 18, 2013 at 5:14 pm

      Hi Kathryn – I totally agree with everything you’ve said…and I too am depressed about North Carolina. They’ve rammed through Voter Suppression laws yesterday. I’ve only lived in NC for a year now, but I feel like I’m in #RWNJ Hell. I hope your day and week gets better!! :-)

  13. 51 57andfemale
    July 18, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Does anyone have information on why there are some liberals upset with Perez? Everything I read is pretty good.

  14. 55 jacquelineoboomer
    July 18, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Mr. President, tie’s a little crooked. Otherwise, PERFECT.

    • 56 utaustinliberal
      July 18, 2013 at 2:43 pm

      Hahahahahaha. Okay..this made me chuckle. So like a parent. :D

    • 62 anniebella
      July 18, 2013 at 3:52 pm

      FLOTUS wasn’t there to make sure the POTUS tie was sitting just right. A wife work is never done. I’m so glad he didn’t decide to wear those socks G.H. Bush gave him.

  15. 67 lamh36
    July 18, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    • 71 anniebella
      July 18, 2013 at 4:48 pm

      I read another article were they spoke to several of the teenagers FLOTUS spoke too today in Chicago, and they were very impress with FLOTUS.

  16. 72 57andfemale
    July 18, 2013 at 2:51 pm

  17. 73 utaustinliberal
    July 18, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    This is what happens when Republicans run things. Out of the three clinics, only one performs abortions; which means women will be denied mammograms, screening for all types of cancer, HPV shots, preventive care, family planning help, birth control pills, condoms for men, help with STD prevention, etc. Women will die and that’s a fact. There’s a reserved seat in hell for Republicans.

    • 74 donna dem 4 obama
      July 18, 2013 at 4:16 pm

      This is all about getting those law suits going so that Roe v Wade gets “re-decided” again by this conservative supreme court. I don’t know what it would take to bring these clinics up to surgical ambulatory status but I wish they could find some wealthy philanthropist in these states to sponsor the upgrades and knock down this provision. The other law (abortion ban after 20 weeks under any circumstances) is a direct affront to Roe v Wade who’s standard was 24 weeks (6 months). Americans are touchy on this one because with constant advances in technology deciding at what stage is the viability of the fetus has become more and more complicated.

      The bottom line is that this is a privacy issue (as the Supreme Court ruled in ’73).

      • 75 theo67
        July 18, 2013 at 4:25 pm

        You’re so right – the GOP want this back in front of the Supreme Court so they can knock it down entirely.

        There is one thing that gives me hope. I heard a report the other day that Justice Ginsburg had regretted that Roe v Wade was such a limited ruling, because it allowed states to tighten the restrictions over and over, and it was easier to bring back up to the Supreme Court to knock it down on such restrictive grounds. She had hoped that it would have been based on much more broad grounds that would be definitive and not easily manipulated by those agents on the right. Who knows – these short-sighted GOP may actually find that bringing this case back to the Supreme Court actually strengthens it! Wishful thinking, maybe, but I do still hold out some hope.

      • 76 Lynn
        July 18, 2013 at 4:42 pm

        You are spot on, donna. I will NEVER forgive Sandra O’Connor, She thought she’d get the chief justice spot if she rolled for the chainedshrubies and we see the results. Then she added insult to injury by leaving and letting the RATS (roberts, alito, thomas scalia) disrespect our president from the git go.

    • 77 pkayden
      July 18, 2013 at 4:54 pm

      When will the good women of Texas get the memo and stop voting for Republicans? Are Democrats registering voters based on all of this Republican overreach? I hope so.

      Turn Texas Blue!

  18. 78 desertflower
    July 18, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    http://www.interpretermag.com/how-putin-uses-money-laundering-charges-to-control-his-opponents/

    Last Thursday, Sergei Magnitsky was convicted of tax evasion. The only problem was he was not there to hear the verdict read. Magnitsky was killed in Moscow’s Butyrka prison in 2009, likely as a result of beatings and a lack of medical treatment. His crime was uncovering a $230 million tax fraud involving members of the government while working as a lawyer for William Browder (an American investor who was also convicted in absentia).

    But Magnitsky’s conviction is not simply an example of the capricious nature of the legal system in Russia; it is a view into how the use of money laundering, financial laws, and Russia’s financial intelligence unit are used to control political dissent.

  19. July 18, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    @MadameNoire
    We told you that Tom Joyner offered Trayvon Martin’s friend Rachel Jeantel a college scholarship. She’s accepted it: http://ow.ly/n5PGQ

    • 81 pkayden
      July 18, 2013 at 5:10 pm

      Good for her. I wish her nothing but the best in her future endeavors. When i saw her on CNN and Al Sharpton’s show, I was impressed by her strength. Imagine speaking to your friend just before he’s shot down like an animal. What a nightmare she has to live with for the rest of her life.

    • 83 Layla
      July 18, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      Oops! re above link!
      WASHINGTON — The Rev. Al Sharpton announced Tuesday that he will lead a national “Justice for Trayvon” day in 100 cities this weekend to press for federal civil rights charges against George Zimmerman.

      Zimmerman’s acquittal over the weekend in the shooting death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin has touched off protests around the country. The Justice Department is investigating whether Zimmerman violated Martin’s civil rights when he shot the 17-year-old during a February 2012 confrontation in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman said he fired his gun in self-defense.

      “People all across the country will gather to show that we are not having a two- or three-day anger fit. This is a social movement for justice,” Sharpton said as he announced the plan outside the Justice Department with several ministers.

      • 84 dotster3
        July 18, 2013 at 5:08 pm

        Why can’t he allow the Justice Dept. to do their investigation? I think all believe that Holder would be inclined to bring charges if it would be possible under the law. I think there is a very slim chance, though, as every single lawyer I’ve heard speak on this, including those who would like to see it happen, said the facts of the case would likely not fit the required criteria.

        • July 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm

          Having read commentary on twitter from my followers who are Lawyers, I’m hearing the same thing…which is depressing…They also said that GZ would be found not guilty, which I was thinking that they were wrong….But when the verdict came back as predicted, I was shocked and devastated. Because emotionally, I was SO SURE the jury would convict Zimmerman. In my mind, how could they not?
          But this case and all the evidence is still being investigated, so if they find enough to pursue as a hate crime or civil rights violation, I think DOJ can & will do it!

          So in one aspect, while I understand and appreciate how Rev Al is trying to get justice for Trayvon, I agree that we should let AG Eric Holder & DOJ pursue the case. I think by trying to “promise” justice, all of us will be let down and emotionally drained if once again expectations raised and dashed….. but this is just my personal opinion.

          I think the Rallies will be great in one aspect, which is to help people process their grief and fears for their own kids safety. But I also think it would be good if we could harness the energy & momentum of the rallies to CHANGE the status quo.

          I think it would be amazing if Rev Al Sharpton could focus on the FUTURE Trayvon Martins and talk about how we change SYG laws and combat racism. In addition, I think it would be a fitting tribute and honor Trayvon, if we could do something to end Stop & Frisk, Racial bias in the judicial system, etc.

        • 86 ericfive
          July 18, 2013 at 6:10 pm

          How is he stopping the Justice Dept. from doing their investigation? People are pissed and rather than letting that anger fester and possibly explode in a violent way, Rev. Al is trying to direct that energy toward positive, peaceful protests.

          • 87 dotster3
            July 18, 2013 at 6:25 pm

            I just don’t like it if this somehow becomes President Obama’s burden, “Obama’s fault”, and pressing Holder is getting close. I just can’t figure out why the Atty. Gen. isn’t allowed to do his job. He doesn’t need “pressing”. I have great confidence that he will file charges if at all possible. My humble opinion. (which always is protective of President Obama and all he has to bear)

  20. 88 donna dem 4 obama
    July 18, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    My #1 Radio Personality ;)

    • July 18, 2013 at 3:30 pm

      Me too, Donna. I heard some of this this morning. I’m not in my car very long in the mornings (on my way to and from Curves), but I ALWAYS am listening to Joe and sometimes sit in my car when I get there or when I get home. :)

    • 90 anniebella
      July 18, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      I feel the same way Joe Madison does about the Washington Post and Richard Cohen.

  21. July 18, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    PBO may cancel September’s trip to Moscow. So Putin has a choice: does he want to piss off the US and help Snowden, or does he want good relations with us.

    • 92 Layla
      July 18, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      …and do not forget the 2014 games in Russia,,,,,

      • 93 anniebella
        July 18, 2013 at 3:46 pm

        I don’t trust Putin, so it would not bother me if POTUS were to cancel his trip to Russia. And it would not bother me if America boycott the Winter Olympics. Putin has to know that America mean business.

    • 94 theo67
      July 18, 2013 at 3:59 pm

      The shame of it all is that President Obama and former President Medyedev worked hard at restoring the relationship between Russia and the US – hosting a state dinner, passing the new START treaty, engaging in trade relationships and supporting the development of a Russian-version “Silicon Valley” to boost the economy and trade. Given that these are the two largest holders of nuclear weapons, and Putin doesn’t seem to have a problem siding with dictators and non-allies of the US – this is a bad development. The world needs Russia and the US to be working together and coming closer together – not the other way around. Snowden and Greenwald have done a lot of damage.

  22. 100 57andfemale
    July 18, 2013 at 3:31 pm

  23. 101 57andfemale
    July 18, 2013 at 3:33 pm

  24. 102 utaustinliberal
    July 18, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Hahahahahahaha……OMG!!!!!! Have you guys seen this? You think the heat is bad? Nope….wait until this lady tells you how bad it is.

    • 103 Layla
      July 18, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      My god!!!!She is soooo funny!!!!!!!

    • 104 desertflower
      July 18, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      OMG :) I know this feeling, I do…. Hey…look up. According to all those deniers, there’s no global warming. It’s all in your head. Stay cool :)

    • 105 vcprezofan2
      July 18, 2013 at 4:16 pm

      I don’t know, ms prude here struggled to make it through the first 40 secs before giving up. Hard for me to swallow the concept of prayer and all that swearing, and although TOD has toughened me enough to accept an odd bit of swearing here and there I confess I am not yet to the point where I can appreciate an entire routine.

      • 106 Layla
        July 18, 2013 at 4:47 pm

        I appreciate your sentiment vc. Maybe a warning at the top of the video would have been in order.Sorry it made you feel bad.

        • 107 vcprezofan2
          July 18, 2013 at 4:52 pm

          No worries, Layla. I’m okay with ‘running with my tail between my legs’ when I click in on something that’s too strong for me. I do the same if an article/comment is too much. ;) Normally, when I run I just keep my mouth shut; don’t know what came over me today. :roll:

  25. 108 desertflower
    July 18, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    AWWWWWWWW. Poor things. All sequestered away like that….and it was so hhhhhhaaaarrrrrrddddd!

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/07/18/zimmerman-jury-sequestration-perks.html

    Sounds more like vacation than sequestration. The Seminole County Sheriff’s office has released a $33,000 bill for the 22-day sequestration of the six women jurors in the George Zimmerman trial. While holed up in individual rooms in the Florida Marriott, jurors watched TV, exercised, and visited with family and friends. They also went on field trips to the movies, bowling, and to Ripley’s Believe It or Not Museum and enjoyed manicures and pedicures. And for dinner? Outback Steakhouse. While it might seem like the sequestered women were living it up, they allegedly paid for personal purchases and appointments. Plus, they earned a little R&R. Florida attorney Randy Reep put it this way: “A Bloomin’ Onion at Outback would not adequately reimburse these women for the bitterness” that they might receive.

    And all that “bitterness” they might receive. Damn shame. At least they still have THEIR lives!

    • 109 pkayden
      July 18, 2013 at 5:18 pm

      Can’t they remain anonymous for the rest of their lives? What bitterness will they receive when no one needs to know their identities? The only way they’ll be outed is if they decide to write a book to profit from their shameful jury service.

  26. 110 forus50
    July 18, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Someone at work asked me this and I’m not 100% sure. Under Obamacare will doctors be required to accept all health insurance companies?

    • 112 desertflower
      July 18, 2013 at 4:22 pm

      [1:03:12 pm]: Thanks for contacting Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat. Please wait while we connect you to someone who can help.
      [1:03:16 pm]: Please be patient while we’re helping other people.
      [1:03:23 pm]: Welcome! You’re now connected to Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat.

      Thanks for contacting us. My name is Alma. To protect your privacy, please don’t provide any personal information, like Social Security Number, or any other sensitive medical or personal information.
      [1:03:41 pm]: HC.gov lady
      How may I assist you today?
      [1:04:42 pm]: ME
      Hi, Alma.. I was wondering if with our new healthcare law that Dr’s will have to accept all insurance plans?
      [1:05:11 pm]: HC.gov lady
      Thank you for your question today. It will take me just a moment to review and respond to your question.
      [1:06:33 pm]: HC.gov lady
      If you buy insurance through the Health Insurance Marketplace, your health insurance company will provide a list of doctors and hospitals that accept your plan. Your current doctor may or may not accept your new health insurance plan.
      [1:08:23 pm]: ME
      I see. What if we happen to be on vacation or in another state and have to see a Dr? The question came up for me in another conversation and I’m trying to find the answer rather than have wrong info. I appreciate your help
      [1:08:49 pm]: HC.gov lady
      Thank you. One moment please while I look that up.
      [1:11:13 pm]: HC.gov lady
      You must apply to enroll in the Marketplace of the state that you claim as your primary residence. If you live in more than one state in a calendar year, but do not permanently move, or if you work in one state and reside in another, you will need health insurance that offers multi-state coverage. These multi-state plans will offer the same comprehensive health coverage and financial help as a single state plan. However, this coverage will allow you the flexibility to receive care where you need it in multiple states. Before you enroll, it is a good idea to check that the multi-state plan you select has provider networks in the states where you will need coverage.
      [1:12:27 pm]: HC.gov lady
      Unfortunately, this is the only information we have at the moment in regards to multiple state coverage. Currently we do not have information in regards to needed health care during vacation.
      [1:12:33 pm]: ME
      Ok…is the multi state cov. more expensive?
      [1:13:47 pm]: HC.gov lady
      I apologize for the inconvenience, but the premium amounts will be announced on the healthcare.gov website when Open Enrollment begins on October 1, 2013.
      [1:15:46 pm]: ME
      Sorry. I thought about that after I hit send:) Thank you so much for your help..Am very excited for this to take effect! This is a good thing that everyone should appreciate. Thank you again for your help and I look forward to learning more about this in the coming months. Have a great day.
      [1:16:07 pm]: HC.gov lady
      Thank you for contacting Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat. We are here to help you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
      [1:16:23 pm]: HC.gov lady
      Thank you, you have a great day too.
      [1:16:39 pm]: ME
      You bet :)
      [1:17:03 pm]: Your chat session is over. Thanks for contacting us, and we hope we’ve answered your questions. Have a great day.
      [1:17:03 pm]: 7/18/2013

      Does this help. forus50?? I did this live chat and asked your question…if it doesn’t help, maybe this will help others :)

    • 114 vcprezofan2
      July 18, 2013 at 4:24 pm

      Don’t know that one ForUS, but this looks interesting though I’m only half-way through.

  27. 115 hopefruit2
    July 18, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    I have been rethinking some of my initial positive thoughts about Jimmy Carter. Is he feeling that threatened now that PBO got re-elected while he only served one term?

    • 116 anniebella
      July 18, 2013 at 4:34 pm

      Just what is Jimmy Carter talking about. If we had any media worth a dam they would ask him that. These people like Carter who can sit back on his old ass and not worry about keeping this country safe from another 9/11.

    • 117 donna dem 4 obama
      July 18, 2013 at 4:44 pm

      “I think that the secrecy that has been surrounding this invasion of privacy has been excessive, so I think that the bringing of it to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial.”

      I know that this will probably be controversial but I don’t disagree with that statement. I also think that PBO said that we need to have a conversation about privacy in the wake of 9/11. We do!

      What I take issue with is how Snowden and GG and others all act like this is some new found revelation. It’s not! This stuff has been going on since Homeland Security was established.

      I choose to use the internet knowing full well that ever site I go on is being tracked. If I look for a pair of shoes on one site the next time I go to TPM or Facebook or anywhere else I’m going to see an ad reminding me of those shoes I looked at two days ago. The notion that this stuff is a “revelation” exposed by Snowden is complete bull pucky IMO.

      Also, if Snowden felt that he was doing this country such a big service then he should have faced the music and been arrested. He would have been hailed as a martyr for the cause and the far left would be going on hunger strikes and chaining themselves to the WH fence on an hourly basis to get his release.

      He listened to that fool GG and did online interviews when he should have been getting his butt to some country for asylum now he’ll just have to take his medicine.

      • 118 hopefruit2
        July 18, 2013 at 4:53 pm

        My issue is not with people agreeing or disagreeing about the specifics of NSA in regards to privacy. My issue is with the sudden Johnny-come-lately grave concern about an issue which was reported over FIVE years ago, and met by the same individuals with a “meh” and a yawn.

        When USA today put out a report on NSA surveillance in 2006, where were the Jimmy Carters, Greenwalds and Snowdens with their alarmist, hyperbolic reactions?!?!

        That’s my objection here – it’s the great hypocrisy of suddenly needing to have a great debate, where that urgency didn’t seem to exist prior to 2009.

        Furthermore, I find it curious that no one seems to feel the need to have a great debate about privacy when it comes to other ways in which individuals are violated – by corporations, banks, private websites, social media, sales & advertising companies. Everyone keeps talking about privacy but so far, I haven’t seen a single example of how a US citizen’s privacy has been violated by the US government and used for nefarious reasons. As PBO himself said, we have to sacrifice something for our convenience and safety – and while we can debate this, let’s not be intellectually dishonest doing it.

        • 119 donna dem 4 obama
          July 18, 2013 at 5:06 pm

          You articulated my issue with all this much better than I did ;)

        • 120 vcprezofan2
          July 18, 2013 at 5:08 pm

          Two responses come to my mind from this:

          1) In 2006 the Jimmy Carters or whomevers didn’t come forward because the climate wasn’t conducive to a real discussion of the subject or to criticism of the administration. The current president has said he welcomes the dialogue, or words to that effect. {I haven’t read his comment, but I guess I feel Jimmy has the right to his opinion even if it doesn’t jive with ours.} After all, when we throw ideas out in the open and debate ensue, we often find that our positions can be clarified.

          2) re your ‘Furthermore’ section – I am of like mind.

          • 121 pkayden
            July 18, 2013 at 5:21 pm

            If Congress decides to amend the Patriot Act to lessen NSA’s surveillance powers, I am positive that President Obama would sign that legislation into law. Let’s see if President Carter pushes Congress in that direction.

            • 122 vcprezofan2
              July 18, 2013 at 5:24 pm

              My feeling is a lot of those who sound off in the press are not really interested in ‘pushing Congress’ in any positive or productive direction. They primarily want to be noticed and drawing attention to PBO and his admin is guaranteed to achieve that goal.

              • 123 donna dem 4 obama
                July 18, 2013 at 5:40 pm

                THIS x 100000000000+

              • 124 0388jojothecat
                July 18, 2013 at 7:40 pm

                You also have to keep in mind that these TGOP’s are flip-floppy if the “left or Obama” agrees to over turning parts of the Patriot Act they will do nothing. It amazes me when the Patriot Act was being enacted by a GOP President, House, and Senate you heard very little objection from the rwnj’s. I heard from Thom Hartmann and other lefties on the radio against it but from the every day person I got, “I’ve got nothing to hide”. Now all of a sudden these same people are up in arms about the gubmint spyin on me.

          • 125 hopefruit2
            July 18, 2013 at 5:23 pm

            I’m sorry vc, but the Carters, Snowdens and Greenwalds do not get a pass from me for not speaking out in 2006. There may be others who fall in that category but the ones who are currently given a platform in the media don’t. As Greenwald himself admitted, he “trusted” Bush as his President and left the decision-making to him. America felt comfortable enough with the Bush administration that they voted him TWICE!

            And when PBO says he welcomes dialogue – it means he welcomes respectful, intellectually honest discussions about issues that people genuinely care about.

            It does not give people the license to go on hyperbolic rants personally attacking him and his administration, and elevating questionable characters based on sketchy assessment of facts and MSM-driven propaganda.

            Carter exposed his dirty slip when he elevated Snowden’s actions as beneficial to the US – AFTER PBO had dismissed him as “some 29-yr old hacker” which he is.

            • 126 vcprezofan2
              July 18, 2013 at 5:36 pm

              No need to be sorry, Hf. I understand what you are saying and was not really trying to EXCUSE the folks mentioned even if it sounded like it. I was trying to say PBO ‘welcomes respectful, intellectually honest discussions about issues that people genuinely care about’ whereas the previous admin did not. In order to get to honest discussion it would seem that today’s admin/country(?) has to wade through the dishonesty, the insincerity and the hypocrisy. Fortunately President Obama is intelligent, incisive, insightful and honest enough himself to be able to do that – he shouldn’t have to, but he has the skills to.

      • 128 hopefruit2
        July 18, 2013 at 5:08 pm

        donna, I agree completely with your coments about Snowden – and if Carter felt that what Snowden has done is so”beneficial” then why isn’t he questioning Snowden’s choice of Russia and these other non-Democratic countries for his asylum requests?

      • 129 Claire
        July 18, 2013 at 5:32 pm

        One of the things that bothers me about Jimmy Carter is that he never has a problem speaking negatively about any Democratic politician. Yet, most Democratic pols NEVER say anything negative about him, and I believe it is out of respect. Many could have trashed him for poor decisions made during his administration and for essentially losing the presidency for Democrats, but they do not. Respect is a two way street and it is time that Mr. Carter learned that he doesn’t need to share his every thought. Sometimes, being smart, is remaining silent.

  28. 130 Dudette
    July 18, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Dammit!

  29. 131 donna dem 4 obama
    July 18, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Me too!!

  30. 134 Dudette
    July 18, 2013 at 4:31 pm

  31. 136 hopefruit2
    July 18, 2013 at 4:39 pm

  32. July 18, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Thank you President Obama for Obamacare and for being a wonderful leader during these difficult times! So proud that my first two votes for president were for such a great man.

  33. 144 desertflower
    July 18, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/07/18/2324861/house-republicans-abandon-defense-of-doma/

    House Republicans have been using taxpayer funding to foot the $2.3 million dollar bill to defend the Defense of Marriage Act in a number of cases. While the Supreme Court was weighing Windsor, the other cases challenging DOMA were put on hold. Now that the Court has overturned DOMA, the House is abandoning its defense in the other cases.

    What a waste of time and money….

    • 145 Layla
      July 18, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      Like I said yesterday I wish someone would set up a chart with the amounts of $ wasted by the rebubs, for all Americans to see!

      • 146 desertflower
        July 18, 2013 at 4:58 pm

        I wish we would all add to that list…there are just too many instances to think of alone:) I need to write my useless ALEC owned critter back (again!) because he doesn’t want to help the EPA with coal fired plants and regulations. His reason? THE DEFICIT IS TOO BIG TO WORK ON PROBLEMS! Seriously.He said that. I want to have a list and the dollar amts they have spent with their BS investigations and repeal votes and just all of it. I’d like to send him the bill.

        • 147 Layla
          July 18, 2013 at 5:13 pm

          Maybe there some very adept people on this site who could find that information, Then there could be an ongoing tally of costs as the repubs did for the deficit! This is just a thought but one would think it would be great to spread this info to the people prior to the debt ceiling issue and 2014.

      • 149 vcprezofan2
        July 18, 2013 at 5:19 pm

        Wouldn’t that be helpful!

  34. 157 desertflower
    July 18, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    http://www.bcorporation.net/what-are-b-corps/legislation

    July 17 is an historic day. It marks a tipping point in the evolution of capitalism.

    It marks the coming home of a capitalism that returns business to its proper role in society to create shared and durable prosperity. With Delaware Governor Jack Markell signing benefit corporation legislation into law, business leaders have a new freedom to make decisions that are in the best interests of society as well as their bottom line, and we – as citizens, customers, workers, and investors — have the tools to identify and support them.

    According to a White Paper from a group of corporate attorneys, the benefit corporation is the corporate structure that best meets the needs of the growing number of entrepreneurs and investors who seek to use business as a tool to solve social and environmental problems.

  35. 161 57andfemale
    July 18, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    • 163 Dudette
      July 18, 2013 at 5:21 pm

      Ha! I was just coming to post this!

      • 164 57andfemale
        July 18, 2013 at 5:32 pm

        I forget when this all got changed – it was some odious Supreme Court decision. Going back to Alexander Hamilton – a corporation had to act in the public interest as well as profit.

        The odious court decision that they have a fiduciary responsibility only is what every anti-regulation lawsuit is based upon. And it was NOT the American tradition, going back to to the pro-growth policies of Alexander Hamilton.

  36. 165 vitaminlover
    July 18, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I really like to hear Attorney General Holder talk.

  37. 166 yardarm756
    July 18, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Subj: Fwd: The spaghetti affair.

    For 2 years a man was having an affair with an Italian woman.

    One night, she confided in him that she was pregnant. Not
    wanting to ruin his reputation or his marriage, he paid her a
    large sum of money if she would go to Italy to secretly have the

    child. If she stayed in Italy to raise the child, he would also provide

    child support until the child turned 18.

    She agreed, but asked how he would know when the baby was

    born. To keep it discrete, he told her to simply mail him a post

    card, and write ‘Spaghetti’ on the back. He would then arrange

    for the child support payments to begin.

    One day, about 9 months later, he came home to his confused
    wife. ‘Honey!’ she said, ‘you received a very strange post card

    today.’ He said ‘Just give it to me and I’ll explain it later,’ She did,

    and watched as her husband read the card, turned white, and

    fainted.

    It read: ‘Spaghetti, Spaghetti, Spaghetti, Spaghetti, Spaghetti.

    Three with meatballs; two without. Send extra sauce!’

  38. 170 dotster3
    July 18, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    President Peter King????????? Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  39. 178 Linda
    July 18, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Detroit just filed for Bankruptcy Chapter 9

  40. 179 57andfemale
    July 18, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Oh, holy shit. It gets even worse:

    • 180 Layla
      July 18, 2013 at 5:26 pm

      I think eggs and sperm should be property of the state, next! The ban on male masturbation is also next re “the could have been a baby law”. How does one even stop these fools prior to 2014….ut, help!!!!!!!!

      • 181 57andfemale
        July 18, 2013 at 5:29 pm

        The thought bubble of the guy who offers to buy a woman a drink in a bar – Rick Perry should be able to decide where that leads.

        Oh, wait. That would be controlling men. That won’t happen.

        But corporations must be free to pollute and rape the land and screw the worker – FREEDOM.

        • 182 desertflower
          July 18, 2013 at 5:52 pm

          http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/18/2326191/texas-heartbeat-bill/

          On Thursday, three Texas Republicans filed a measure that would criminalize abortion services after a fetal heartbeat can be detected — which typically occurs around six weeks of pregnancy, before many women even know they’re pregnant.

          So-called “heartbeat” bills are so radical that they divide the anti-choice community. In addition to criminalizing the vast majority of abortions, they also mandate invasive ultrasound procedures for women seeking abortions. In order to detect a fetal heartbeat so early in a pregnancy, doctors typically have to use a transvaginal probe.

          Every woman in Tx should tell the men in their lives to “talk to the hand” and clean up the bathroom when they’re done flushing potential “babies” down the toilet. VOTE THEM OUT!

          • 183 57andfemale
            July 18, 2013 at 6:07 pm

            That’s all it takes – enough Dem’s showing the hell up and voting. The only reason we’re in this mess – Democratic complacency at the polls since the 1980’s.

    • 184 pkayden
      July 18, 2013 at 5:26 pm

      While will be overturned by the courts.

      • 185 pkayden
        July 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm

        Meant to say, “Which will be overturned by the courts”.

      • 186 57andfemale
        July 18, 2013 at 6:05 pm

        I know this law cannot stand. I believe it’s been determined unconstitutional in other states. What particularly annoyed me was – they pass one law, get away with it and move to make it worse.

  41. 187 Dudette
    July 18, 2013 at 5:23 pm

  42. 188 desertflower
    July 18, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-man-who-pulled-out-gun-near-white

    A shirtless man who took out a loaded gun at a U.S. Secret Service police booth outside the White House told officers, “I was only going to fire a couple of shots if no one confronted me,” according to court documents, NBCWashington reported Thursday.

    Christopher Wade Briggs was arrested Tuesday afternoon when officers saw him take a semi-automatic .45-caliber handgun from a backpack and attach it to his belt holster.

    The gun was loaded with 13 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber, according to NBC. Officers found two more magaziness with 13 rounds, 171 more rounds of .45-caliber, hollow-point ammunition and two hunting knives with serrated edges on his property. They did not find a license to carry or any gun permit in his name.

    I thought this was a no-no in DC….especially at the WH, but in DC in general

  43. 190 Dudette
    July 18, 2013 at 5:25 pm

  44. 191 Dudette
    July 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm

  45. 192 Dudette
    July 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm

  46. 193 Dudette
    July 18, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    The 54th Massachussetts Regement is the one that was featured in the movie Glory (Denzel Washington won his first Oscar – Best Supporting Actor)

  47. 194 donna dem 4 obama
    July 18, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Good for them!!!!

    • 197 Dudette
      July 18, 2013 at 5:43 pm

      I agree, but you gotta have something that’ll pass. Temporary fix and sucky increases at the end (hopefully we’ll have a better Congress in place by then) is better paying double now.

      • 198 57andfemale
        July 18, 2013 at 6:06 pm

        I know. And you know I’ll be onboard; but in some ways it’s worse than doing nothing with the rates at 6%. It’s still a yucky compromise.

  48. 199 desertflower
    July 18, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57470643/health-care-repeal-effort-worth-the-time/?tag=stack

    And this from DK: Last July, when CBS News tallied it up using the CRS figure of $24 million per work week in the House, they figured that the House had spent 80 hours on 33 repeal votes, for a grand total of $48 million. That’s $1.45 million per vote. There have been another three repeal votes since then, for another $4.4 million to the tally.

    So, we’re at a grand total of $52.4 million wasted on futile Obamacare repeal votes, just in the House. And that’s being generous to the Republicans, not counting committee time wasted on this, the opportunity cost of delaying other work, etc. It’s probably a lot closer to $55 million.

    And if you ask those 70 new GOP members who are insisting on having their turn to cast a meaningless vote on settled law why they want to be in Congress, they’ll tell you it’s to stop big government from wasting taxpayer dollars.

    • 200 desertflower
      July 18, 2013 at 5:43 pm

      More: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/24/1917091/freshman-republicans-repeal-obamacare/

      Freshman members of Congress may be envious of the 36 different failed attempts to toss Obamacare that they missed out on, but those votes came at a cost. Between 2011 and 2013, Republicans wasted about 88 hours and $50 million in taxpayer money on their failed votes to repeal Obamacare. Meanwhile, the 112th Congress failed to pass a single piece of legislation to create jobs. Those misplaced priorities earned that body of lawmakers the unfortunate distinction of being the least productive Congress in history.

  49. 201 Jovie
    July 18, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    By Ben Geman and Zack Colman
    STATE OF PLAY: The Senate confirmed Gina McCarthy to head the EPA Thursday, while across Capitol Hill, House Republicans are readying fresh attacks on the agency she’ll lead.

    Click here for more on the 59-40 Senate vote that will put McCarthy atop the agency more than four months after President Obama nominated her.

    Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) told reporters that McCarthy’s arrival will spur action on a range of regulations.

    McCarthy, once sworn in, will replace acting Administrator Robert Perciasepe, who has been guiding the agency since former head Lisa Jackson departed early this year.

    “I think it will have an impact on every single thing that happens,” Boxer told reporters in the Capitol.
    “The first may be, in my opinion, addressing the chemical explosion at West, [Texas] and also moving forward on all sorts of rules dealing with water, drinking water, clean water, also dealing with greenhouse gas emissions, methane, all that,” Boxer said.

    “I think it will be a huge difference,” she added. “They really didn’t have anyone in place for a very long time except an acting person, and they just don’t have the gravitas if they are not confirmed. It is going to make an enormous difference.”

    House Republicans, meanwhile, are about to launch new efforts to strip the EPA’s power to move ahead with regulating carbon emissions from power plants and other sources.

    A panel of the House Appropriations Committee next Tuesday will mark up fiscal 2014 EPA spending legislation.

    Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), who heads the Interior, Environment and Related Agencies subcommittee, has pledged that the bill will be part of the “battleground” over the White House climate change agenda.

    Sigh!

  50. 203 arkluvspbo
    July 18, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    When I see our President smiling and the people around him smiling, I know we are in good hands. I can’t even describe how beautiful the First Lady looks — radiant like the sun, in her beautiful yellow dress.


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