helllloooo africa, congrats!
Hey Gail. Happy Sunday!
back at cha africa
Hey there you!
This is the best president in my life time. I am glad he’s running this ship at this time. Positive energy and thoughts for president Obama.
Oh yes, we have the best President on the job – right person for the crazy times we live in
These are indeed the times that try men’s souls and so glad we have President Barack Obama as our CIC
These are trying times indeed.
Evening everybody! Catching up on my DVR viewing. Gotta get caught up on all my tv shos before the new Fall season starts. Yall know I love my tv/movie entertainment…lol.
So are there any new fall shows you guys are looking forward to, or a returning show you are looking forward to?
Just finished watching the last Major Crimes and it’s about a “spree” killer. I watched Luther and it was about a different weird killing every episode. Add that to the real-life shit that was going down in Cleveland and ya know I love my Criminal Minds. So it got me to wondering what it was like back in the day before shows like this came out. I know there has always been crazed lunatics and serial killers, but I guess it would only come to light if it made national news.
I gotta wait until NOVEMBER for more Major Crimes episodes. Damnit. But at least I get to watch the new season of Luther, even if it’s only 4 episodes.
Check out the trailer for the season 3 of Luther:
Meanwhile in Syria….song “The Land of Peace” by Syrian singer Wasfi Massarani
Reasonable perspective …
My take on why Obama had to go to Congress on Syria, why this debate will be good for us, and why we have to act. washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-par…— EJ Dionne (@EJDionne) September 01, 2013
As always, EJ Dionne’s analysis is sober and sensible. He is usually an exception to most MSM media pundits who ravel in hype and sensationalism. I hope many members of Congress will be willing to overcome their ideological biases and support the President. Unlike EJ Dionne, I am not very optimistic that the Obama haters in Congress are capable of transcending their hatred to vote for the President’s plan in responding to Syria’s use of Chemical weapons in defiance of international law prohibiting their use. Already, there are Republican members of Congress talking about voting NO because the President is not proposing a full scale invasion of Syria to topple the Assad regime. Then there are Democrats who want to appease the “holier than thou progressives” who are opposed to any and all military actions.
All true, nath.
From my perspective, we are going to see increasing demands for action, as we did today from the Arab League. That momentum will build during the next several days. Boehner’s fellow #KOCHSTERS will return to DC on 9 Sept and face all that reality and the reality that each of them will have to go on record – inescapable – as will all Dems. That record reads very simply:
Do you support a tyrant gassing his own people – emphasis PEOPLE … Each of them will live with that vote for the remainder of their lives.
President Obama is well aware of the position he put every Member of Congress – exactly the position any President respectful of our Democracy and Constitution should place them.
We are living a mega-lesson plan in democracy, in empathy, and in courage. Every US Citizen, as well, will live with the consequences of answering that question, yes or no, for the remainder of their lives.
As noted in my letter to President Obama last week, we did not have YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc on 9 Dec 1941 but we did have all of them, and more, moments after Assad gassed his PEOPLE on 21 August 2013.
No one has an excuse the way most did on 9 Dec 1941.
excellent points as usual
MSM can’t be bothered with GOP obstruction, obfuscation.
REMEMBER THIS: speaker.gov/press-release/… Yep. But .@SpeakerBoehner did not show up for the answer. But PBO Optics, .@mitchellreports— KSK(africa) (@lawalazu) September 02, 2013
Thank you, africa.
Well done, africa!! Congrats on 1st, as well
Thanks, Bob. Hey, help me out with something here, please. By PBO calling for Congressional input, why is MSM referring to it as a “reversal?”
Because PBO did it. It’s purely the incessant obfuscation that #NEWSTAINERS use any time our President Obama does anything.
Africa, I don’t know Bob’s take about your question. In my opinion the MSM already had a narrative ready to go that President Obama was going to bypass “Congressional input.” This would have been their line of attack about an arrogant President! But because the President deprived them of that line of attack, they are now trying to cover their asses by claiming that the President reversed himself. Never mind the fact that the President and his Press Secretaries repeatedly said that the he had not made his final decision on Syria. The U.S. MSM really hate President Obama. They would do anything to undermine his presidency. Standing in their way are the social media -including blogs like TOD.
Precisely, nath. Crystal clear. Thank you.
Thank you. I challenged Andrea Mitchell today asking her to show me what PBO said he was going to do and show me the reversal. These people lack credibility. They do a great disservice to President Obama and the country at large.
Thanks, again Nath.
Funny, I read the AUMF as rather narrow but Senator Leahy says it will be amended in Senate because it’s “too open ended.” Well, I say, COOL. Because that means you OWN it.
Please proceed Senator!
Lots of comments today about @JeffersonObama and #Syria today.
Yesterday I was over the moon, thinking that our President had boxed the GOP into a corner while they are in the middle of a civil war.
But now I believe that the Jeff Gauvins of the world will be disappointed.
The GOP will unite AGAINST our President because of the reason @FORUS50 tweeted today.
To present their case to Congress the Obama admin should draw a map with Syria in Europe. GOP vote would be unanimous in favor of strike.— ForUS50 (@FORUS50) September 01, 2013
This will be decided by the House, who disproportionately represent that area of the country who have two targets for their bigotry:
The House will vote NO, and will be joined by reprehensble anarchy-loving emoprogs in the House.
I know I will get a lot of pushback here, and I hope we can remain friends.
I think the President will do what he said when he opened yesterday’s announcement. That the US will engage in military action against Syria for the horrendous human toll the government launched against its own people. But he won’t have Congressional or UN (or at this point, even France’s) support.
I pray that I am wrong (which I usually am).
Do read @buzzfeedandrew's recess deep dive on Syria. In typical form, he watched 50 hours of town hall meetings. buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynsk…— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) September 01, 2013
what happened with France? Last I heard they were with us on this… I’ve been playing catch up all weekend.
I hear your concerns but let’s not speculate…what is being said and what will happen are 2 different things…Personally I will always await the President’s comments and plans on the situation! You are my TOD friend!
I have no clue what PBO will do. I am expecting him to do what he believes is in the long-term interest of this nation and the global community
Given that William Kristol – the man who is eternally wrong – yet the media continues to give him space to be wrong – has said that republicans will support the President – I tend to agree that the house may well vote for no intervention in Syria
What happens if the house votes no & the senate votes yes?
Arapaho, I believe that not only will PBO have France’s support – he will have the support of a larger coalition in the international community, and it’s the GOP in congress that will be isolated with their “no” votes. It’s not whether or not the GOP votes yes or no we are interested – we are interested in having them go on the record with their vote. Please don’t allow the MSM reports to influence your thinking on this and depress your spirit. The US media is TOXIC and unhealthy and is designed not to inform accurately about current events, but to instill in viewers, cynicism, despair, apathy, and chronic mental ennui.
“It’s not whether or not the GOP votes yes or no we are interested – we are interested in having them go on the record with their vote. Please don’t allow the MSM reports to influence your thinking on this and depress your spirit.”
Could not have offered sounder, more cogent advice to our friend Arapaho, hf. Well done.
I also really liked the “mental ennui” part Bob
HF, I just love your way with words! So impressive in style and content! I wish I could write like you in English but that is not to be! Now if I could write something in French I would probably do much better..smiling. Anyway I just love everything about you on TOD!
“The US media is TOXIC and unhealthy and is designed not to inform accurately about current events, but to instill in viewers, cynicism, despair, apathy, and chronic mental ennui.”
hf, this is so true! I was so proud of Kerry this morning, then George S. began his round table with suppositions, stirring the pot and I turned him off!
Thank you ((( HF2 ))) !
And thank you everyone, who responded. I’m deeply appreciative.
The extreme bigotry of a minority of our citizens has stunned me this year (thinking George Zimmerman), and we all know how motivated the GOP are to humiliate our President.
I’m not actively seeking MSM input these days, so when I come across something like @BuzzfeedBen’s it’s purely by accident.
Will remind myself to ignore the MSM because they are idiots and not worth my fretting.
Liked this twitter comment:
PBO has actually done a Jedi mind trick. He has relieved the pressure on US and increased it world wide. Cue the new Parliament vote.— Matt Murphy (@MattMurph24) September 02, 2013
I am sorry but this is all hype and speculation! I’ve yet to see any evidence that France is not supporting the President. I also think the Statement out of the Arab League, demanding the U.N. Security Council action against the Assad regime for using Chemical weapons, is further evidence that more and more international players are heeding the President’s call. I certainly would rely on BuzzFeed for credible information.
I meant to say that “I certainly would NOT rely on BuzzFeed for credible information.”
There ya go. Had to re-read that, at first!
What I read is that the French Parliament is now requesting a vote re Syria intervention as occurred in the UK.
#Syria: for many months, it has been excruciating 2 watch civilians injured/dead/displaced without world intervening; Now its time 2 standup— Linda Kyambadde (@globalcitizenln) September 01, 2013
RT @theIranPulse: Syria Offers Opportunity For US-Iran Talks almon.co/crv— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) September 02, 2013
having been at the receiving end of relentless shelling from my government (place of birth), I cannot in good faith be against ANY foreign power that decides to intervene to protect civilians from additional brutality.
I am therefore a firm believer in what some call the “Responsibility to Protect” civilians against attacks.
I hope PBO gets a chance to take whatever actions he can to stop/reduce the vicious cycle of carnage in Syria.
#Syria: if u have ever been 1 of the civilians being injured/dead/displaced by your own gov't u are glad when world intervenes on your side— Linda Kyambadde (@globalcitizenln) September 02, 2013
#Syria: ANY power that decides 2 intervene 2 protect civilians from additional gov't brutality demonstrates a "Responsibility to Protect"— Linda Kyambadde (@globalcitizenln) September 02, 2013
These are important tweets and I hope everyone on TOD (including lurkers) RT them. Thank you Linda!
Thank you Linda for your excellent tweets! People invested in International Humanitarian Law must not keep silent when innocent people are being gassed by a brutal dictator. This why I deeply appreciated the President’s remarks and his passion on this issue.
It Matters WHO is President!
Exclusive: USS Nimitz carrier group rerouted for possible help with Syria
By Andrea Shalal-Esa
WASHINGTON | Sun Sep 1, 2013 6:49pm EDT
(Reuters) – The nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and other ships in its strike group are heading west toward the Red Sea to help support a limited U.S. strike on Syria, if needed, defense officials said on Sunday.
The Nimitz carrier strike group, which includes four destroyers and a cruiser, has no specific orders to move to the eastern Mediterranean at this point, but is moving west in the Arabian Sea so it can do so if asked. It was not immediately clear when the ships would enter the Red Sea, but they had not arrived by Sunday evening, said one official.
“It’s about leveraging the assets to have them in place should the capabilities of the carrier strike group and the presence be needed,” said the official.
President Barack Obama on Saturday delayed imminent cruise missile strikes by five destroyers off the coast of Syria, and sought approval from Congress, a move that effectively put any strike on hold for at least nine days.
The delay gives military planners more time to reassess which ships and other weapons will be kept in the region – and which may be swapped out – before the U.S. military launches what defense officials say is still intended to be a limited and narrowly targeted attack on Syria.
The U.S. Navy doubled its presence in the eastern Mediterranean over the past week, effectively adding two destroyers to the three that generally patrol the region. The five destroyers are carrying a combined load of about 200 Tomahawk missiles, officials say.
Just came back from seeing “The Butler” and boy am I glad I took donna dem’s advice to go see it. Very well-done and the waterworks were on. Of course everyone clapped at the end and we were all wet messes. Definitely an Oscar contender. And it should get more than one nomination!
The Butler was the perfect antidote to the depressing media you cited so eloquently and accurately above.
I’m glad you saw it today.
4 Illinois congressmen (all Dems) (of course) attend closed door hearings on Syria. Here’s their thoughts afterward……
It is good to read about those who are taking the issue seriously – as opposed to grandstanders who know the answer – but not the question, nor the background analysis.
Thanks dotster for sharing this article. It was good to see that the President’s request of reading the intelligence reports and having a discussion is being taken seriously – that’s what will be needed to make this very tough decision.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all how step up to the plate!
to all who
dotster3 I tweeted this. I hope you don’t mind?
GG lap dog to me:
@lawalazu Greenwald was one of Bush's biggest critics and had many liberal followers during Bush years. You Obots are morons.— Jason (@HoosierJason) September 02, 2013
How old is this person….12…..
Pathetic little thing. Called me a moron, hypocrite, when faced with the facts.
Me back at him:
@HoosierJason Yeah, he criticized Bush. LOL. extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/gle… But since denial is thy name, this will fly over your head. #ProudObot— KSK(africa) (@lawalazu) September 02, 2013
Well done Africa! Your response should sting Jason a bit. Members of the progressive Greenwald cult are continuously in denial about his background.
I may be one the few people who believes that the “NO” vote in the UK Parliament may not be the last stand on the matter of Syria.
I could be way off base here but I believe that there will be an additional vote in UK during the coming weeks.
here is WHY I suspect the second vote could happen:
- I seem to recall that during the debate in the House of Commons, the loudest demand was to wait for UN Inspectors to complete their investigation. So although most media reports focused on the “NO” outcome of the vote, many ignored the reason WHY a number of MPs justified their vote based on UN’s role;
- if the evidence by the UN indicates that chemical weapons were actually used by assad, it may be strange for nations to side against the victims of the attack;
- It is very possible that a number of MPs will take their time and ponder the LONG-TERM geo-political implications of NOT standing up with US (the one country which has been their most reliable ally when UK was under attack). Short-term political stands may set a precedent for long-term geo-political fissures. This is why diplomacy will play a crucial role in the next few weeks;
#Syria: in the face of additional physical evidence of a chemical weapons attack, its highly probable that UK Parliament may take a 2nd vote— Linda Kyambadde (@globalcitizenln) September 02, 2013
I am with you on this and I am certain many others are!
I tend to agree with you Linda even though today both the Chancellor Osborne & Foreign Secretary Hague earlier Sunday (UK time) said they did not think another vote would be called. In my opinion that was premature.
All MPs will feel the increasing weight of evidence and demands by the Arab League (lots of their allies) to punish Assad definitively for his crimes against humanity, and specifically, against his own people.
And not that the Arab League has adopted the word ‘genocide’ to describe what Assad did, the UK, France, Germany, NATO, etc., will have to ponder the implications, seen through the lens of the Holocaust, their inaction. That is a bit of history most of them are likely not going to want to experience in real time.
That’s my hope, at least.
^^And NOW that …^^ not ^^not^^ …. sorry about that
I tend to agree with you. I just don’t see how the majority members of the UK Parliament can live with their decision if the UN presents evidence that chemical weapons were used in defiance of international law. The only drawback, however, is if the UN inspectors are not able to definitively identify the Syrian government as the guilty party. I hope I am wrong, but I understand that identifying the culprits who used chemical weapons was not part of the mission for the UN inspectors.
We went through two wars trying to divest ourselves from British rule and NOW we can’t move without them? Thanks to their global colonization efforts during the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries, the Middle East is in the mess it is today.
One prob I see with this is that the U.N. findings reveal only that chemical weapons were used, which I thought was already obviously evident, but not who was responsible. And at the U.N. briefing they made it clear that investigating who was responsible and publicly naming them was not their job.
@SpeakerBoehner @McConnellPress @EricCantor Do you support a tyrant gassing his own PEOPLE? We'll know soon cc @VP @SenatorReid @NancyPelosi— Bobfr (@Our4thEstate) September 02, 2013
Bobfr, your tweets make me smile and nod my head
Thank you Gail
Well, laptop got itself almost 24 hours of peace and quiet, and while I’m holding my breath, it does seem from the many posts I missed that things are working better tonight/today.
So, to cover my bases – ‘Good Sunday Morning, TODobots’, or would you prefer if I simply moved ahead with Monday morning wishes?
How about Good Sunday evening dear VC
Never thought of that as an option, Bobfr!
Hey vc! you’re home!!!!!!
Yep! Relearning my way around my space again.
I’m so touched, I received another thank you email from your offspring, and I replied twice!
During the international military intervention in the 2011 Libyan civil war, the French Navy deployed its aircraft carrier, Charles de Gaulle, off Libya. The Charles de Gaulle was accompanied by several frigates as Forbin, Dupleix, Aconit, the replenishment tanker Meuse and two Rubis-class nuclear attack submarines.
The GOP did not have any representation in DC for either of the MLK Memorial ceremonies. I still can’t get my head around that.
Now, they can’t be bothered to attend briefings on an urgent international tragedy.
Is there any precedent in US history for the Opposition Party to not show up, just boycott whatever is happening?
Or is this appalling absence of participation in governing something new and, to me at least, terrifying?
If any TOD knows our history and can answer this I’d be grateful.
In the house they are the majority – in Westminister style democracies they would be the government. They have political, if not administrative power.
They have completely given up on governing – they have said – loudly and clearly – through their sponsors – the media, the corporations, the think tanks – that the aim is to have no taxes and no government.
People vote for them thinking they do not really believe in anarchy. I do not know your history well enough to say if this has ever happened before – but when members of congress are unwilling to meet to consider whether or not their country should engage in military action against another country – they have failed in every possible way.
Vicki, I am student of history, but I am not an expert on the entire history of the U.S. Still, I can’t recall any incident in American history (both from my studies and from my lived experience) when the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the Majority Leader of the House of Representatives failed to show up for a National Security briefing from the President of the United States! I simply can’t recall one! And, at 67, I am no spring chicken! The way the Republican party has behaved, and is behaving, towards President Obama is absolutely appalling. The vast majority of Republicans in Congress, including their leaders, seem to have no qualms about destroying the country so long as it accomplishes their goal of humiliating President Obama.
At 66, a week ago today :), I concur, nath. Never seen it happen and I’ve been paying attention for the majority of my life.
Thanks to both of you. Bobfr and nathkatun. I am worried about the execrable behavior and worried about what they will do next. Seems like we all agree we are in uncharted waters.
didn’t mean to leave you out, 99ts.
You are welcome, Vicki. You are also spot-on about us being “in uncharted waters.” Ordinarily, any President who presented a compelling case, the way President Obama did with regard to Syria, would be almost guaranteed bi-partisan Congressional support. While I am still hopeful that the majority in Congress will back President Obama, I must confess that I am not entirely confident about that. Consequently, I am preparing my self to have the president’s back, regardless of what the majority in Congress decide to do.
Happy belated Birthday Bob! Somehow I missed your birthday. I am sure it was not celebrated at TOD. Like you, I’ve been actively involved in, and attentive to, politics since college. In addition, both my undergraduate and graduate degrees are in U.S. History.
When I was growing up in the 1960s, early 1970s timeframe, we were taught that what made America so great was it’s great middle class. That we didn’t have the huge disparity in income between few who were affluent and everyone else.
I still recall a Life magazine article about those earning $20K a year as being the affluent ($153K now, comparing 1963 to 2013). And remember that the premier MLB pitcher at the time “held-out” for $100K per year ($763K now).
Americans need to come to their senses if they believe that when the President refers to America’s shrinking middle-class, he isn’t just whistling Dixie (sorry that the link is to HuffPo):
MT @annietiques US has WORST income inequality in developed world, thanks to Wall Street.
huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/inc… http://t.co/NKpG9inSpi— Arapaho415 (@arapaho415) September 01, 2013
Am unable to keep my eyes open. Catch you all tomorrow, if God wills!
“Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm.” ~Publilius Syrus
VC, is that a ‘no comment’?
Sigh! I can’t get away with anything on this site. Trust you to notice my finger slipping. You’re on to something here though. It works beautifully asa ‘no comment’.
I know POTUS have to go to the G-20 Summit, but I hate that it is in Russia.
VIDEO: Members of Congress receive classified briefing on Syria: apne.ws/18w3X0A -KH— The Associated Press (@AP) September 02, 2013
i wish we knew what the hell else we could do to punish Assad. Maybe Rep. Hahn can come up with the answer. And I have a feeling that Republican who spoke wouldn’t vote yes, because it is what Obama want him to do. He has more problem with Obama then Assad.
More for the talking points on the ‘right’.
More info the public demands and have no idea what to do save make it a talking point. huff.to/19ZmGop— Nelson (@Yardarm756DD) September 02, 2013
at least now the world is focused on Syria.
May be I am naïve but I see another benefit arising from PBO’s decision to seek authorization from congress – time will give a chance for role diplomacy to shine with a focus on the civilians in Syria.
rather than “undermining SoS Kerry” as some are suggesting, these few weeks give him a chance to demonstrate his tenacity and diplomatic skills.
I imagine that PBO, SoS Kerry and the rest of Team Obama will be working at breakneck speed to make sure that countries get a chance to stand up against the use of chemical weapons. We may see an “assault of diplomatic skills” on display – starting with the G20 and followed by the UN assembly.
I cannot believe that a majority of countries will not feel a shame of not standing up against gassing women and children.
If the push to focus on the impact of government use of chemical weapons on civilians succeeds in building a strong human rights coalition, may be the template could be used in other areas with similar turmoil.
okay, I live in hope that people will do the right thing in the end
Excellent comment, GC Linda! My nephew, who is actively involved in Human Rights Watch, feels the same way you do. I personally feel that all the people involved in this heinous crime of gassing people, including women and children, should be prosecuted under the Rome treaty that created the international Criminal Court.
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