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  1. 1 57andfemale
    September 3, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    aGAIN?

  2. September 3, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Here’s what happens in my Tally’s Perfect World™:

    While all this “chat” is going on about WTF Syria, a bug drone finds Assad and *poof*.

    Thoughts?

    • 12 Layla
      September 3, 2013 at 6:09 pm

      Tally, I have thought all along that stuff is going down in Syria as we speak!

    • September 3, 2013 at 6:15 pm

      Sounds flippin’ perfect to me Tally! I can never understand why, um, covert measures weren’t used to take out people like Gaddafi, and now Assad. True, it wouldn’t quite solve everything, but it would help!

      • September 3, 2013 at 6:23 pm

        Very simple, very clear reason: by law, we cannot assassinate foreign heads of state. That was part of the Church Committee reforms, when we found out just how batshit crazy the CIA was operating. To all the emos who go on about “OMG NSA IS READING MY SEX CHATS!!”, they should break open a history book and see what a truly out of control intelligence agency looks like.

        • September 3, 2013 at 6:29 pm

          I know LL, just a burst of frustration on my part. It’s not a measure I would generally approve of, although we both know America has never been shy, through history, of ‘removing’ (if not killing) unfriendly foreign leaders, even democratically elected ones, like Allende.

          • September 3, 2013 at 6:36 pm

            Yes, Allende, which is why the laws were put in place post-Nixon. Man, talk about a state within a state. The NSA collecting metadata will not destroy the republic; but an out of control CIA going around whacking foreign leaders will eventually guarantee war.

            In less incendiary news, I’ve taken over the missus’ job search role. I’ve been sending out applications like nuts this afternoon.

            • September 3, 2013 at 6:43 pm

              But wasn’t there ‘interference’ in countries like Nicaragua and Venezuela long after Chile? And, most probably, a whole bunch of other countries?

              There’s been – in my book any way – unforgivable meddling in other countries’ affairs by America over the years, but then you get a dilemma like: what if whacking a foreign leader ultimately leads to the saving of thousands of lives?

              The blindingly obvious question: would it have been morally justifiable to take out the democratically elected Hitler?

          • September 3, 2013 at 6:37 pm

            BTW, congrats on *snort* getting *giggle* Marouane Fellaini.

        • 29 nathkatun7
          September 3, 2013 at 7:39 pm

          LL, It’s always refreshing to read your posts and commentaries because of the depth of your historical knowledge.

    • 30 dotster3
      September 3, 2013 at 6:33 pm

      Or as Letterman suggested—–maybe Assad eats some bad oysters.

  3. 31 utaustinliberal
    September 3, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Rand Paul is all war this, war that. Pretending Pres. Obama wants war and then acting weird and disappointed when Kerry said we’re not going to war. Pres. Obama wants a limited strike not war. Kerry’s pushback was fantastic.

  4. 34 utaustinliberal
    September 3, 2013 at 6:12 pm
  5. 38 vcprezofan2
    September 3, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    I like those two top tweets you shared above, Utal. I wandered in just now and really don’t feel like listening to the hearing, but I really liked those summary tweets. ;) Thank you.

  6. 42 utaustinliberal
    September 3, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Thank goodness he didn’t win in 08.

  7. 44 hopefruit2
    September 3, 2013 at 6:17 pm
  8. 48 utaustinliberal
    September 3, 2013 at 6:19 pm
  9. 49 99ts
    September 3, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Slowly catching up.

    1. It seems the media is a one trick wonder. There is no discussion about anything except Syria – which is making GG have a sad.
    2. Chris Hayes is acting like a bigger fool than usual – and I was reminded why one should never read his twitter
    3. Jeff Gauvin seems to have returned to normal activities – which is a blessing – I really missed the real him over the past few days
    4. The GOP in congress are not enjoying having to act like the grownups
    5.TOD seems to be keeping up with news other than Syria – good to read the NYT has no impact on the election of their Mayor. In fact, it seems they have had a negative impact on their candidate of choice.

  10. 53 utaustinliberal
    September 3, 2013 at 6:21 pm
  11. 54 hopefruit2
    September 3, 2013 at 6:24 pm
  12. September 3, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Just posted this on TPV:

    We are lost in a world of binary thinking, of pure right/wrong, light/dark. That’s what Spandan is writing about. “If we don’t strike Syria we can use the money to build roads” / “If we strike Syria we’ll never reach a diplomatic solution”. Which works well in a movie, but in the real world of international politics, not so much. Nothing is guaranteed, for the most part.

    But what I think can be guaranteed is that if we do nothing, if we look the other way as Assad gasses his own people, then there will be more Assads, more dictators building up nerve gas stockpiles as I said in my piece on Friday, “just in case” the natives get uppity.

    For the most part, I am loathe to resort to military force. But using military force does not preclude continued diplomacy. As Clausewitz said, war is diplomacy by other means. Too often this country has used its military for less than honorable ends; but if there’s ever a time to use the military, it’s to punish a leader and a regime which has flouted weapons conventions.

    In a perfect world, Assad’s bombing and gunning of 100K civilians would be enough to at least get his neighbors intervening. It’s not. And intervention of a limited sort is only being discussed because the regime so flagrantly violated international law. (Unless, of course, you believe this is all another “yellow cake” episode and Obama = Bush.)

    Striking the regime won’t bring about regime change. It’s not intended to. That’s up to those on the ground. But it is intended to make Assad think more than twice before he resorts to gassing his own people. And by going to Congress, Obama has, as we’ve been saying, giving the body back its balls. He’s upended the idea that being a representative is just a cushy sinecure; the jobs for which they run so assiduously actually impact the world. It’s time that they worked like it.

    • 56 sherijr
      September 3, 2013 at 7:11 pm

      wow well said LL. This is what I believe and just what I believe the President has been trying to make clear. Thank you.

    • 57 0388jojothecat
      September 3, 2013 at 7:20 pm

      or worse, if Americans are stupid enough to vote for another Republican President with a Republican majority in the house and senate, we will be at war with Syria four years later for “gassing his own people” and a 2nd war with China or Russia.

    • 58 yardarm756
      September 3, 2013 at 7:44 pm

      You talk so purdy. I’m loving it LL. My way would have been a bit more ‘inner-city’ but the same. :-D

  13. 59 hopefruit2
    September 3, 2013 at 6:41 pm
  14. 61 hopefruit2
    September 3, 2013 at 6:44 pm
  15. 62 jacquelineoboomer
    September 3, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    This is ridiculous.

    Worked for the Navy for 30 years. Most military are not all gung ho to go to war. They are willing, yes. They have the courage and commitment, yes. They are prepared for war; they strategize for war; they hone tactical skills; they train junior personnel to acquire warfighting skills; they work with allies and train their personnel. Nevertheless, they are not “for” war. The name of the umbrella organization for all of the branches of the military was changed last century from the War Department to the Defense Department. The military is supposed to be so strong that it serves as a deterrent to others from invading our country or killing our citizens, military or civilian, abroad. Our military also stands ready to help our allies, and serve other causes – including huge displays of humanitarian assistance – around the globe.

    Most of the people who fear “no boots on the ground” as becoming our “default position” don’t actually wear the boots. They sell the boots, and put somebody else’s kids in them, for a profit.

    • September 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm

      I think “no boots on the ground” should be the DEFAULT position, unless a President goes to Congress and makes a case.

      • 64 jacquelineoboomer
        September 3, 2013 at 6:58 pm

        I think we have seen that deftly get institutionalized, this week, thanks to Pres. Obama.

        I do not, however, want to take his executive powers away from him just because some Republican says so, in today’s bizarre political climate, but he is voluntarily curbing use of his own powers to set a fine precedent for all future executives.

        Did that make sense? I’m off for a nap, which I think I may need!

  16. 65 hopefruit2
    September 3, 2013 at 6:50 pm
  17. 75 hopefruit2
    September 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm
    • 76 nathkatun7
      September 3, 2013 at 7:55 pm

      Wow, Chris Hayes is tauting a Syrian keyboard freedom fighter supporting the “the ouster of Assad” from the comfort of his home in the U.S.! I wonder if Chris Hayes’ “Syrian living in the US” lost any relatives as a result of Assad’s dastardly chemical attacks?

  18. 77 Vicki
    September 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    NYC final mayoral debate starts in 8 minutes.
    For those interested I’ll be back with a recap before 9:00 EST.

  19. 80 Layla
    September 3, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    HZ, if you around, I am sooo happy that your med apt went well!!!! I am glad that your doctor listens to you as we are in charge of our healthcare. God bless!

  20. September 3, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Most of the people who fear “no boots on the ground” as becoming our “default position” don’t actually wear the boots. They sell the boots, and put somebody else’s kids in them, for a profit.

    **********************

    Boom!

  21. 83 hopefruit2
    September 3, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    For those who are interested – You can watch the NYC Mayoral Debate live here. It has just started!

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Democratic-Mayoral-Debate-Primary-Livestream-Watch-WNBC-222143641.html

  22. 84 Eveingeorgia
    September 3, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Is anybody watching Chris, so I don’t have to?

  23. September 3, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    the group’s stance came amid a growing push by some key Jewish organizations to back Obama’s call for a military strike against Syria, citing a moral obligation to stand up against leaders who slaughter their own people.

    • 92 0388jojothecat
      September 3, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      They need to send a copy to Rep Alan Grayson since he is Jewish and is fine with the gassing of muslims.

    • 93 theo67
      September 3, 2013 at 9:52 pm

      I heard someone call into Stephanie Miller’s show this morning (with coverage from Hal Sparks).She was trying to make the point that since the US did nothing to help the Holocaust victims for so long, that somehow that makes it ok to do nothing to protect the people of Syria – and any future victims of a dictator who takes the wrong lessons from the world’s inaction. I had to change the station.

  24. 94 jziglar
    September 3, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    The media and these pundits can’t make up their minds. First they wanted action because of the red line, then when it appeared that a strike was imminent they ask about the consequences of war. Now I’m hearing how this is going to put Obama’s presidency in jeopardy and that we are going to war. A strike is not a full blown war, but the media has to do whatever they can to make the President look bad.

    • 95 theo67
      September 3, 2013 at 9:53 pm

      The media has their marching orders and are trying to create their own reality. The only people talking about going to war are the right wing and the media & their puppets.

  25. September 3, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Congressman Rangel sure is getting a lot of air time

  26. 104 Eveingeorgia
    September 3, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    What is it with MSNBC? Do they not realize that a large part of their audience are pro-Obama? Does the channel think that those of us who support the president going to keep watching when the majority of the shows keep bashing him?

    What is it? Are they telling us that our opinions don’t matter? Are they looking for a different audience?

  27. 106 Eveingeorgia
    September 3, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    IS Pro-Obama!

  28. September 3, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    In the land of the ridiculous:

    Flamboyant former NBA star Dennis Rodman returned to North Korea on Tuesday to visit his “friend” — authoritarian leader Kim Jong-Un — playing down speculation he would try to help free a jailed American.

    Kenneth Bae has been held prisoner in the North since November, and Rodman had said last week that he might seek the man’s release.

    But speaking to reporters at Beijing airport en route to the North Korean capital Pyongyang, Rodman said “I haven’t been promised anything” on Bae.

  29. 108 hopefruit2
    September 3, 2013 at 7:37 pm
  30. 109 dotster3
    September 3, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Can’t believe I just googled the sex life of squirrels. Guess I needed a breather and we have all these little baby squirrels making a mess in our front yard as they scamper between a shagbark hickory and a big ol oak tree, working 24/7 on those yummy nuts—–AND making a mess on my front porch every day as they think burying their nuts in my flower pots on front porch is a real sly hiding place—-leaving a dirt mess all over the place. I tried leaving a sign, “This is not a good hiding place. And clean up your mess!” but they must not understand English because they have completely ignored my warning. Anyhoo—- the gal is only fertile for 24 hours twice a year——but it’s not a very romantic story——the guys fight over who gets to go first, but then all the others (the losers) get to climb on later. But then—–the guys, the baby daddies—-completely hit the road (sometimes literally, sadly) and have nothing more to do with their beloveds or their babies. It’s up to the poor mom to do all the work, feeding and raising the kids and teaching them the ropes. A somewhat familiar story. The end.

  31. 114 vcprezofan2
    September 3, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Every once in a while I like to peek in at Texas, because that’s where my father and stepmother live, and because news from there can generally be so deliciously wacky.

    http://juanitajean.com/2013/09/03/just-when-you-thought-texas-had-hit-the-crazy-wall-a-window-appears-and/

    //…
    Incidentally, does this mean that Blakemore is saying that mostly Republicans have abortions? That’s his explanation? That’s cool by me. I’ll spread that around.

    But no, there’s more. At no additional charge you also get this —

    He touted the economic benefits to societies with high fertility rates and cautioned against heeding the warnings of overcrowding from “the same people that believe in global warming.”

    Smitherman and his wife have four children. “We’re doing our part,” he said. “But some people are not having enough children.”

    I think he meant you. You know, you personally. And he would have called your name if he wasn’t drooling all over his list of name of women needing to have more babies.

    Yes, that is why the economy is failing – you women aren’t having enough children, dammit!

    ……//

    • 115 99ts
      September 3, 2013 at 8:24 pm

      It’s white women who he thinks aren’t having enough children vc – The GOP would endorse abortion in a a wink if they could restrict it to the non-white population of the world.

      • 116 vcprezofan2
        September 3, 2013 at 8:28 pm

        Did youread the entire post, 99ts? Even knowing that their constituents are mostly crazy, I still am bemused sometimes that these jokers actually make it into office.

        • 117 99ts
          September 3, 2013 at 8:39 pm

          I did – it didn’t make very much sense – so I didn’t spend much time in deep analysis – it seemed to be – hate the black guy, love guns, hate women, science is bad news for us dumb guys – vote for stupid. He’ll probably win his election.

          • 118 vcprezofan2
            September 3, 2013 at 8:44 pm

            Well, she WAS showcasing his stupidity! And I suspect you are right and he’ll probably win. :roll: I still can’t figure out why my father and stepmother chose to live in Texas!

            • 119 99ts
              September 3, 2013 at 9:07 pm

              We live places for weird reasons. 45 years ago I came with my then husband to the state where I now live. I didn’t much like it. We divorced & I managed to marry another person from the same state. I kept saying I was going to go back to where I came from (a sane place) – but after 45 years it is just too hard – especially with a husband & daughter who love the place. Sometimes we end up where we didn’t mean to be. :)

              • 120 vcprezofan2
                September 3, 2013 at 9:15 pm

                Sometimes we end up where we don’t want (?) to be, but where it seems we are meant to be? :grin:

                • 121 99ts
                  September 3, 2013 at 9:37 pm

                  I have given up on NOT wanting to be here – in my youth it was unthinkable – now I know the place so damn well it is too hard to be some place else – my husband and child were probably meant to be here – I stumbled in by accident. I also followed the age old theme that the woman has to follow the man – not my proudest moment.

                  • 122 vcprezofan2
                    September 3, 2013 at 9:42 pm

                    ‘not my proudest moment’
                    I see it differently. You helped to ‘ground’ your family in a place they love. That’s a ‘proud’ and unselfish thing IMO.

                    • 123 99ts
                      September 3, 2013 at 9:50 pm

                      That’s a nice way to tell it. I’ll have to remember. Interestingly my MIL, daughter & granddaughter were all born in the same suburb of my town. Anyone researching the genealogy would think we all lived here forever. I shall leave them with the puzzle to sort out!

                    • 124 vcprezofan2
                      September 3, 2013 at 9:54 pm

                      :grin:

  32. 125 forus50
    September 3, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Hillary Clinton still hasn’t won me over. She had a LONG way to go after her 2008 primary bs. I thought she did a fair job as SoS but felt that most all critical matters were pretty closely directed by POTUS). I will give her tons of credit just for the physical demands of her job with so much going on all over the world – that was amazing. But her actual diplomacy wasn’t all that evident. And I am VERY glad that Kerry now has this role during this big Syria vote.

    • September 3, 2013 at 8:02 pm

      I hope that you will support her if she wins the Democratic primary in 2016 even if you don’t necessarily love her. Dems need to keep the White House. None of the Rethug clown car occupants should be anywhere close to the White House for 4 full years. I don’t know how we survived 8 years of Shrub!!

  33. 129 anniebella
    September 3, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    What time will POTUS leave tonight?

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