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Rise and Shine

…. and then:

ABC News: US-Russia Agreement On Syria Weapons

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov reached agreement Saturday on a framework for Syria to destroy all of its chemical weapons, and said they would seek a U.N. Security Council resolution that could authorize sanctions — short of military action — if President Bashar Assad’s government fails to comply. The deal calls for international inspectors to be on the ground in Syria by November and to complete their initial work by the end of that that month. All of Syria’s chemical weapons stocks, material and equipment would have to be destroyed or removed by mid-2014.

The resolution would allow for punitive measures for non-compliance, but stop short of military action, if the 16-nation Security Council approves them. The U.S. and Russia are two of the five permanent Security Council members with a veto. The others are Britain, China, and France. Another major feature of the agreement is that the U.S. and Russia plan to give Syria one week, until Sept. 21, to submit “a comprehensive listing, including names, types and quantities of its chemical weapons agents, types of munitions, and local and form of storage, production, and research and development facilities.”

In addition, the U.S. and Russia have agreed that international inspectors should be on the ground in Syria by November and complete their initial work by the end of the month. They must be given “immediate and unfettered” access to inspect all sites. Notably, Kerry said they had agreed on grounds under which they might request a Security Council “Chapter 7″ resolution at the United Nations, which is a measure that could include military and non-military sanctions.

More here

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Oooooh, Teenage Sleuth was so right:

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As was Jim Camp – worth reading again:

Jim Camp (Forbes): Obama’s Magnificent Stealth Negotiation with Putin

With nearly 30 years’ experience as a negotiation coach, I have what I call an excellent “negotiation radar.” I can spot a negotiation a mile away, even when it doesn’t call itself one. And these negotiations-in-disguise are what I’ve termed “stealth negotiations.”

….. the stealth ones are, well, pretty hidden from the layperson’s eye. For negotiation professionals, pinning such a negotiation down is often a tremendous source of pleasure. That’s because these arrangements are supposed to be under the radar and appear as something else entirely, such as a discussion.

And if you think that it was only a “discussion” President Barack Obama had with Russian President Vladimir Putin on September 6, you’ve missed one of the greatest “stealth negotiations” ever conducted.

More here

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President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama and Vice President Joe Biden greet athletes during an event honoring the 2012 United States Olympic and Paralympic Teams on the South Lawn of the White House, Sept. 14, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

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Steve Benen: Victory Has A Thousand Parents, But Defeat Is An Orphan

It’s obviously too soon to say with any confidence whether the diplomatic solution to the crisis in Syria will prevail, but unlike a week ago, it exists. In fact, the current plan offers enough promise – Syria filed the paperwork yesterday on formal membership in the chemical weapons treaty – that there’s been a debate of sorts over the last few days about who can rightly take credit for it.

…. I’ve seen some criticisms of Obama over the last couple of days that seem to come from an overly simplistic perspective – POTUS said he’d use force if Syria used chemical weapons; Syria used chemical weapons; and POTUS went to Congress instead of ordering strikes. Ergo, Obama = weakness and indecision.

And every time I see the argument, it seems a little dumber.

…. The point is, Obama didn’t say, “Screw it; bomb him anyway.” Rather, he adapted to changing circumstance, which is exactly what a responsible leader must do, especially when dealing with a delicate national security crisis.

More here

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Paul Krugman: Obamacare Doublethink

I’m sure someone else has pointed this out, but there’s a fundamental contradiction at the heart of the right’s anti-Obamacare strategy — I mean, aside from the fact that it isn’t going to work, and may do immense damage both to America and to the Republican brand.

politically the right is acting as if it fears that Obamacare will, in reality, be highly popular — that once the exchanges and the Medicaid expansion go into effect, people will decide that they like the new system, and strongly oppose efforts to reverse course. (This is almost surely the more realistic view.) So the law must be stopped at any cost before it goes into effect, and people learn first-hand that the anti-Obamacare propaganda was false.

So which is it? Are Republicans sure that disaster looms, or are they terrified because they suspect that things will be OK? My guess is, both: clear thinking is not exactly a hallmark of the modern GOP, and may indeed be a positive disqualification for career success.

More here

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Jonathan Chait: Boehner To Obama: Can I Please Take You Hostage?

House Republicans have spent weeks fending off right-wing demands that they shut down the government unless President Obama agrees to destroy his own health-care reform. They’re currently trying to wriggle out of this demand by promising instead to use the debt ceiling to force Obama to destroy his health-care reform, which is an even more dangerous threat. So how do House Republicans plan to wriggle out of that promise? By getting President Obama to help them. John Boehner is pleading with Obama to combine negotiations over the debt ceiling and the budget.

Boehner is desperately trying to combine two separate issues: negotiating over budget policy and negotiating over whether Congress should trigger a default on the national debt. Why negotiate the two together? So we have two arguments here. The first one is that there have been times in the past when Congress has lifted the debt ceiling and also passed changes to fiscal policy. That is true. It can be convenient to wrap up the automatic step of lifting the debt ceiling into bills that change levels of taxes and spending, because a separate vote is unnecessary in the first place……

More here

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President Barack Obama stands with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton during the transfer of remains ceremony at Joint Base Andrews, Md., Sept. 14, 2012, marking the return to the United States of the remains of J. Christopher Stevens, U.S. Ambassador to Libya; Sean Smith, Information Management Officer; and Security Personnel Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, who were killed in the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

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Steve Benen: Revenge Is A Dish Best Served Coherent

The Hill published a curious piece this morning with a provocative headline, “Putin gets his revenge on Obama.” I’ll concede I’m not an expert in the nuances of international diplomacy, but the notion that the Russian president has exacted “revenge” on President Obama seems odd to me.

Let’s take stock of what happened this week: (1) the United States threatened Syria, a Russian ally, over its use of chemical weapons; (2) Syria then vowed to give up its chemical weapons; and (3) Russia has committed itself to the diplomatic process the United States wants, which is intended to guarantee the success of the Syrian disarmament plan. So, Obama, at least for now, ended up with what he wanted, which was then followed with more of what he wanted. If this is Putin exacting revenge, I suspect the White House doesn’t mind.

Indeed, the op-ed certainly caused a stir, but let’s not exaggerate its significance. “Putin gets his revenge on Obama” sounds awfully dramatic, but I don’t imagine President Obama was reading the NYT with breakfast yesterday, telling those around him, “Putin wrote a newspaper piece? And it chides the United States? I’ve been foiled by my strategic better! Curses!”

More here

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President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama and Vice President Joe Biden talk in the West Garden Room of the White House, prior to an event with the 2012 U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Teams on the South Lawn, Sept. 14, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

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MooooOOOooorning again everyone, welcome to the updated R&S – huuuuge thanks to UT for lots of the good stuff in the post.

Happy Saturday!


126 Responses to “Rise and Shine”


  1. 1 taiping1
    September 14, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Morning Chips!

  2. September 14, 2013 at 8:45 am

    G’morning Chips, TOD, lurkers, everone, and congrats taiping and Carol for 1st-place tie :)

    I see from my Twitter TL that MSNBC folk (Uppers) are spinning to NOT give Kerry & PBO any credit for their diplomacy on Syria. Oh, that’s too bad…we the people know the truth. To hell with MSNBC and it’s Libertarian cult!!

  3. 7 taiping1
    September 14, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Now they will start complaining that the President hasn’t ended the civil war. He’s too smart and they can’t stand it!

  4. September 14, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Good Saturday Morning Chipsticks, TODers…Everyone!

    Have a great weekend!

  5. 10 hopefruit2
    September 14, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Once I saw MSNBC pimping a crap WSJ poll yesterday about people feeling hopeless about the economy, I realized that they could no longer milk the Syria issue and were DESPERATELY looking for another “bad-news-for-Obama” narrative, no matter how ridiculous and out of place it sounded.

  6. 11 hopefruit2
    September 14, 2013 at 8:54 am
  7. 12 Linda
    September 14, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Did anyone see Sergei Nikitich Khrushchev on Hardball last night talking about Russia ?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc-hardball_with_chris_matthews/vp/53005237#53005237

    I saw him interviewed on c-span once and when asked about Reagan ending the cold war , he laughed.

  8. 15 hopefruit2
    September 14, 2013 at 9:09 am
  9. September 14, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Morning again everyone, R&S is now updated

  10. September 14, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Out of the mouth of babes! Good morning everyone. Have a lovely day.

  11. 20 Don
    September 14, 2013 at 9:15 am

    TOD what you are witnessing is a profound change taking place in the middle east, dictators are finally being called to answer for their crimes. Iran wants to begin talks with the west; next week SOS Kerry leaves for Jerusalem to begin peace talks between Israel and its neighbors. All of this is happening in our lifetime, all of this is happening on President Obama’s watch. And don’t let anyone tell you any President could have done these things, if that were true it would have been done already. I can only imagine what President Obama has planned for the future.

    • 21 globalcitizenlinda
      September 14, 2013 at 10:35 am

      we sure are living in very interesting times; thank God PBO is running the moves for permanent changes in these volatile regions

  12. 22 mtmarilyn
    September 14, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Good morning TODbots and fellow lurkers all. What à beautiful morning to wake up and know President Obama is still in charge. And that we have SOS Kerry.

    Before we moved to Montana, 30 years ago, we lived in Boulder, CO. It is so heartbreaking to see and hear all that is happening there. We think all of our friends are okay. Remember to keep them all in your prayers.

  13. September 14, 2013 at 9:18 am
    • September 14, 2013 at 9:26 am

      While President Putin apparently believes the following:

      “No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored. ”

      As the NYT motto proclaims: “Everything that’s fit to print” – and now the Internet will remember forever.

  14. 25 amk for obama
    September 14, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Soooo, no war, eh? Bummer

  15. 35 hopefruit2
    September 14, 2013 at 9:22 am

    UH-OH….is this correct?!?!?! :( :(

  16. 45 utaustinliberal
    September 14, 2013 at 9:22 am

    MOOoooooorning Chiparoo….stop giving me credit for some of the stuff on R&S. It was supposed to be a secret deal. Take all the glory for yourself woman! Don’t be nice to me when you’re going to trash me later on as the great Chelsea is playing today. :D

  17. 48 Ladyhawke
    September 14, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Revenge is a dish best served coherent

    By Steve Benen

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    Let’s take stock of what happened this week: (1) the United States threatened Syria, a Russian ally, over its use of chemical weapons; (2) Syria then vowed to give up its chemical weapons; and (3) Russia has committed itself to the diplomatic process the United States wants, which is intended to guarantee the success of the Syrian disarmament plan.

    So, Obama, at least for now, ended up with what he wanted, which was then followed with more of what he wanted. If this is Putin exacting revenge, I suspect the White House doesn’t mind.

    Indeed, the op-ed certainly caused a stir, but let’s not exaggerate its significance. “Putin gets his revenge on Obama” sounds awfully dramatic, but I don’t imagine President Obama was reading the NYT with breakfast yesterday, telling those around him, “Putin wrote a newspaper piece? And it chides the United States? I’ve been foiled by my strategic better! Curses!”

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    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/09/13/20480727-revenge-is-a-dish-best-served-coherent?lite

  18. September 14, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Good Morning Friends! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

    Smile Everybody: It’s a beautiful Saturday Morning and Barack Obama is President of the United States of America!

    I LOVE MY PRESIDENT!

  19. 55 Ladyhawke
    September 14, 2013 at 9:30 am

    CONGRESSMAN JIM MORAN SUPPORTED TARGETED MILITARY STRIKES IN SYRIA.

    INTERVIEWED ON ‘UP WITH STEVE KORNACKI’ THIS MORNING.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46979738/#53007599

  20. 56 amk for obama
    September 14, 2013 at 9:31 am
  21. 57 hopefruit2
    September 14, 2013 at 9:34 am

    HEH!

  22. 58 Dudette
    September 14, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Here’s little random fun w/ FLOTUS & Ellen

  23. 59 Dudette
    September 14, 2013 at 9:41 am

    One more favorite… :-D

  24. September 14, 2013 at 9:41 am
  25. 62 utaustinliberal
    September 14, 2013 at 9:42 am
  26. 63 Jovie
    September 14, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Conservatives said Kennedy was played by Kruschev during Cuban missile crisis. Of course, Kennedy had the Press in his hands bc of his Father, fast forward to today, no such luck.
    Same play book, conservatives always use stuff from the past. Always…

  27. 64 amk for obama
    September 14, 2013 at 9:46 am
  28. 67 donna dem 4 obama
    September 14, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Good Morning TOD. I see that the master negotiator has done his thing and the media is spinning like a top to figure him out. They have been shameful during this whole event. There was once a common practice that criticism ended at the waters edge. You deferred to the President not because he can always be right but because he had intelligence that the media was not privy too. Then we used to never see elected officials persecute our President on foreign policy or on foreign soil but that all went out the window when the Black guy became President. Well everyday he outsmarts them and he remains the only adult in the room and they will just have to deal with that for another 3+ years.

  29. September 14, 2013 at 9:47 am
  30. 78 Don
    September 14, 2013 at 9:47 am

    You know, it really didn’t have to end like this for the Republicans, President Obama as soon as he came into office he was willing to work with the Republicans. He offered his hand in friendship and the Republicans constantly knocked it away. Everything President Obama has achieved this far in his Presidency has been at the expense of the Republicans, and in a couple of weeks the Republicans will experience their greatest failure to date when Obamacare hits the ground running.

  31. 79 utaustinliberal
    September 14, 2013 at 9:52 am
  32. 81 amk for obama
    September 14, 2013 at 9:52 am
  33. 84 Jovie
    September 14, 2013 at 9:59 am

    So, according to perry, the law will not cover anybody? Those are his figures, he just said it on national tv!

  34. 87 amk for obama
    September 14, 2013 at 10:03 am
  35. 89 donna dem 4 obama
    September 14, 2013 at 10:03 am
  36. September 14, 2013 at 10:07 am
  37. 95 Dudette
    September 14, 2013 at 10:08 am

    O/T Neat photo I like. Some of you might remember this as one of the locations in the movie: Dark Night Rises.

    photo/1

  38. 96 donna dem 4 obama
    September 14, 2013 at 10:08 am
  39. 97 Jovie
    September 14, 2013 at 10:11 am
  40. 98 donna dem 4 obama
    September 14, 2013 at 10:13 am

    To quote the great VP Joe Biden: “This Man Has a Spine Of Steel”

  41. 99 Jovie
    September 14, 2013 at 10:14 am

    It’s that VX gas that’s the worst… If you recall, Japan had an attack in the subway, over 1k people died. It was a very small amount.
    Terrifying!

  42. 100 globalcitizenlinda
    September 14, 2013 at 10:16 am
  43. 101 amk for obama
    September 14, 2013 at 10:19 am
    • 102 Jovie
      September 14, 2013 at 10:26 am

      That’s true, everything in MSM and GOP is designed to hurt one person. That guy in the Oval Office, everything else to them is trivial.
      Good tweet. :)

  44. 103 kathryn kivett
    September 14, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Been thinking again….when did the “serious” MSM Obama bashing begin?….not GOP stupid stuff, that is what it is….Not the b/c he is a “Black” President stuff,,,…that has been going on from the beginning.(Far Left, GOP)………..I mean the “he can’t do anything right no matter what he does” stuff…..in my mind it started immediately after the last election when the “Hillary is the Goddess and will be next best thing next to sliced bread” roll out happened….Personally, I think this is a combined effort by Clintonites to show….”see, he is weak and inexperienced and you should have elected HER so…..”HERE SHE IS”……………..I mean……..look at Melissa H. Perry’s lineup……former assistant to Rick Perry…….on Foreign Policy???????…….why?…..Personally, I think all this negativity is orchestrated by Clintons and the Far Left…….

    • 104 Don
      September 14, 2013 at 10:46 am

      Kathryn, you aren’t far off in your assessment, and don’t think for one moment that the “big old” isn’t behind the scenes calling in old favors. The gig was up when GLADD decided to give Bill an award for not doing shit to help their community. I mean the law of the land says that our gay brothers and sisters can now marry and openly serve in the military, and GLADD gives an award to the guy that made gay service members hide who and what they are? As far as I’m concerned President Obama has ran rings around Clinton, just look at both their achievements.

    • 105 jziglar
      September 14, 2013 at 11:26 am

      Not all of it. You forget that the Beltway press has been in the tank for the GOP since the late 80′s and it’s worse now than it was then. They were really hard on Bill Clinton, then they sucked up to Bush, and they have been vicious to Obama. I guarantee that if Hillary becomes President the media will attack her.

  45. September 14, 2013 at 10:26 am
  46. 107 amk for obama
    September 14, 2013 at 10:27 am
  47. 108 utaustinliberal
    September 14, 2013 at 10:28 am
  48. September 14, 2013 at 10:30 am

    GOOD MORNING, Chipstar and TODville!!

    It’s a GREAT day in the neighborhood!!!!

  49. 110 utaustinliberal
    September 14, 2013 at 10:32 am
  50. 113 Don
    September 14, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Don’t think for one minute that Assad didn’t think about President Obama ordering the bin laden special for his ass.

  51. 114 Dudette
    September 14, 2013 at 10:37 am

    photo/1

  52. 116 Jovie
    September 14, 2013 at 10:39 am

    That means serious negotiations.

  53. 118 amk for obama
    September 14, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Stolen from a bjer.

  54. 119 Linda
    September 14, 2013 at 10:45 am

    NEW YORK — A New Jersey-based newspaper publisher is suing Sarah Palin and her political action committee for copyright infringement over the use of an iconic Sept. 11 photograph.

    A lawsuit filed Friday in Manhattan federal court by North Jersey Media Group Inc. says Palin’s SarahPAC posted a copy of the photo on its website and Facebook page without permission.

    The photo depicts three New York City firefighters hoisting an American flag among the rubble at the World Trade Center after the attacks.

    Arlington, Virginia-based SarahPAC did not respond to a message for comment.

    The lawsuit asks the court to stop SarahPAC from using the picture. It also seeks damages.

    NJMG publishes The Record and Herald News newspapers plus 40 weekly community papers, twelve magazines and two websites.

    • 120 arkluvspbo
      September 15, 2013 at 3:41 am

      Poor Sarah Pee Pee, she’s as relevant as a moose’s behind now. Although, I guess for a moose, its behind is pretty relevant; not so much for the rest of us

  55. 121 hopefruit2
    September 14, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Not a tweet from Mark Knoller this morning…his last tweet was 14 hrs ago. As Jodi Kantor would say: Hmmm…..

  56. 124 Claire
    September 14, 2013 at 11:11 am

    President Obama got the Russians to engage in diplomacy, Syria to agree to give up its CW and best of all, the repubs to be the anti-war, anti-military party. Finally, the repubs can stop calling the Democratic party “weak on defense.”

    President Obama has taken away the repub party’s hold on national defense. Now the Democratic Party is the party that is strong on defense and national security. He did it by taking out OBL, ending the war in Iraq, and getting Putin to beg the US not to attack it’s ally, Syria.

    When has a Russian president ever bowed in fear to the US, by writing an article essentially appealing to the American people to “please don’t attack?” HAH!

  57. 126 globalcitizenlinda
    September 14, 2013 at 11:18 am

    many people have been exposed for who they really are


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