Lisa Monaco briefs Pres Obama on the shootings today at the Wash Navy Yard http://t.co/S6KAD2u7wo— (@petesouza) September 16, 2013
Lisa Monaco briefs Pres Obama on the shootings today at the Wash Navy Yard http://t.co/S6KAD2u7wo
America’s infatuation with guns is undermining every aspect of our society
Congrats Doc, Bobfr
300M Guns in US.
Number One these days in all the wrong THINGS
Once again, I will insist that demanding and insuring responsibility for the sale and ownership of guns and ammo is the most sensible and comprehensive step we can take to reducing gun violence in America. It is a pragmatic, enforceable and, very importantly, revenue generating model for insurance companies (thereby creating market competition between the mega-insurance industry and the gun/ammo manufacturers/sellers).
FOCUS: @OFA @TheJusticeDept if every seller & owner of a gun & ammo had to have liability insurance we could begin to reduce gun violence.— Bobfr (@Our4thEstate) September 16, 2013
Yes We Can
Thank you, Bob, for all you do to fight gun violence. There are many important issues on the United States plate, and IMO sensible gun laws is the number one. The gun culture is a sick culture that is destroying America….
Thank you pf58 & Nena.
I was driving behind a truck today that had the little snake on the back of the truck, next to three phrases: “Love God. Love Life. Love Guns”.
How does that even make sense?
Perfect example of cognitive dissonance.
Yup. I proudly overtook him and let him see my “Obama 2012″ sticker on the back of my car.
Ha! You go, theo!
Yes Indeed, Bob! Congrats on #1! Of late, you seem to be doing this frequently. You must have mastered VC and Layla’ tactics.
Once again the nation pauses and is transfixed to the TV as we watch the horrific images of a mass shooting…we witness the almost 15 hour coverage of the gruesome events ..but tonight….tonight….there will be much 12 or more shootings/killings across this great nation…and there will be no 24 hour news coverage…there will be no shock and disdain…there will be no mourning for the loss of those lives except by the immediate family….
When Will It All End??
Repeal second amendment. Until then, violence continues.
Put REGULATE back in the 2n Amendment.
I am 1001% with Doc Bobfr.
Insurance requirement and Taxing the Amos as Cigarettes are taxed today would seriously shrink Gun ownership, usage and manufacturing.
Indeed Nena – It’s time to put the “WELL REGULATED” back in the 2nd Amendment. Am resending this letter to the President & VP that I sent on 15 Jan 2013 (1000s of more Americans have since been gunned down) …..
Dear Mr President,
300+ million guns in the possession of folk in America is way beyond the proverbial ‘horse has left the barn.’ It would be great to ban anyone other than the military & police organizations from owning semi-automatic weapons, but I think you have a much more pragmatic way of addressing that issue and several other gun violence challenges.
You and your legal advisers are way more sophisticated than I ever will be so please forgive if you’ve already considered the following.
1. Focus on the ‘well regulated’ clause of the 2nd Amendment and leverage it to issue and enforce substantial reforms via Executive Order – i.e., use the law of the land to maximum extent rather than rely on new legislation (for all the reasons we know how intractable that path currently is);
2. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as every gun being registered and accounted for at all times;
3. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as each person in possession of a gun is properly trained, certified, licensed, free of any criminal record, & insured for liability for unintended or illegal harm they might cause;
4. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as any person owning more than one gun was properly trained, certified and licensed for EACH gun and that their liability insurance covered EACH gun;
5. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as ensuring that each gun owner had their certification and license to possess every gun they own be renewed on an annual basis;
6. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as an accounting of every round of ammunition (as well as the equipment and components for assembling ammunition) a licensed gun owner purchased with limits set on the frequency of purchase no less stringent than the purchase of ‘Sudafed’;
7. ‘Well regulated’ would be reasonably interpreted as any violation of the use of a gun, any conviction for DUI, any conviction for assault of any form, any conviction for use of illegal drugs, and any conviction for any form of violent threat or crime automatically results in confiscation of any gun, ammunition, etc., in possession of the offender.
These pragmatic steps do not infringe on ‘2nd Amendment’ rights. These pragmatic steps do not require anyone to surrender whatever type of gun they have.
These pragmatic steps require any person in possession of one or more guns to prove they are properly trained, licensed and insured – requirements no more onerous than those drivers of automobiles, operators of a vast range of equipment, school bus drivers, etc., must adhere.
All those other activities do not have as their intended consequence killing. Only a gun has that intended consequence.
So, it is merely reasonable that the operator of a gun meet at least as rigorous a set of training, license and insurance responsibilities given that that device has ONLY ONE intended outcome – DEATH.
Wonderfully Brilliant as always, Doc.
Thank you Nena!
excellent, bobfr. the requirement that gun owners purchase liability insurance is indeed an excellent first step toward ‘well regulated’ gun ownership. the insurance companies will demand the rest of the list.
Precisely, Susanne – that’s the model!!
Thank you, Bobfr. You have been so committed to writing to POB and his advisors on this issue and I am praying and hoping that he will get your letter by some miracle. I really do mean that. You have put as in the past so to the point. I do not know when or how, but I just know that I will not give up on your letter getting to his desk.
Thank you so much for your courage to keep fighting for this, Bobfr. We all need this to get through. HZ
“Put REGULATE back in the 2n Amendment.”
Exactly! Even in the Wild, Wild West, guns were routinely regulated in order to keep law and order. The 2nd Amendment is not the problem. The problem is the way it’s grossly manipulated by people who have elevated it to the status of the “holly grail.” It is as if the only most sacred part of the U.S. Constitution is the 2nd Amendment. Never mind the fact that the 2nd Amendment is the on only Amendment, in the Bill of rights, that talks about regulation.
I like that idea
RT @femaregion8: Individuals impacted by #COflood in Adams, Boulder, Larimer & Weld counties – apply for @fema assistance at t.co/Ug…— FEMA (@fema) September 16, 2013
Some days it just feels really scary. We have to pray and hope with a light in our hearts that violence will not always be the answer. PBO leads in this every day.
9/16 RT @uttf1: All rescue squads are heavily engaged in search and rescue operations with active structure clearing and air evacuations.— (@femaregion8) September 16, 2013
Gun lovers actually declare that they LOVE guns. LOVE? It’s a deep-rooted perversion.
Isn’t there something in the Ten Commandments about not worshiping idols?….
I would like some of those people against expanded background checks to have to face parents, children, spouses of those killed today and so many times before, and explain to then that their loved one’s life was worth their not having to be inconvenienced.
Sorry, wrong tweet. I hate it when I do that. UT, you can delete that.
Expanding background checks is absolute minimum that should be done, but that might inconvenience some people. My take, lives are worth it.— john miller (@deaconmill) September 16, 2013
This catches my mood a little better:
Anti expanded background checks folks need to tell people whose loved ones were killed that those lives were worth not being inconvenienced.— john miller (@deaconmill) September 16, 2013
Ok Japa. I’ll take away the first tweet as requested.
Thank you BT2.
So the horror of the Navy Yard has finally hit me. Here we have people who wear the uniform who would probably be safer in the Eastern Med watching Assad than in their own country.
They’d be safer in Benghazi, LL.
The same could be said of Fort Hood a few years back.
Horrific day. Again.
Don’t know what to think about whether this will motivate Congress to act or not, if they were so callous after Sandy Hook? Seeing those children’s faces (can’t think about them without tearing up).
Something has got to be done.
Senate is meeting tomorrow:
Also this: Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis' moms headed to Capitol Hill tomorrow for SYG Senate hearing on.thegrio.com/165FRir @theGrio— Joy Reid (@TheReidReport) September 16, 2013
Justifiable homicides are up 200% in Florida since Stand Your Ground became law mojo.ly/15yt1H0 http://t.co/9aDizy4aBh— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) September 16, 2013
Everytime I see something about Stand Your Ground, I feel compelled to remind people that the law was enacted only two months after Congress finally outlawed lynching. Seems to me, they were hellbent on making certain vigilante justice had a legal foundation.
When did “Congress finally outlaw lynching”? I totally missed that. Would you kindly share with us the specific Congressional Act, signed by the President, that ” finally outlawed lynching”?
And this is what teaches people to solve their differences with violence – that is one scarry graph
Don’t know what else could have been expected in Fla, Arapaho. “Stand Your Ground” is a license to kill with a get-out-of-jail card attached. Kill, kill, kill is what it’s all about and then lie about it later.
So glad Donna and hundreds of others are safe tonight, while I ache for the families of those killed. I worked for the Navy Department during college summers, in fact, my pay from them paid for half my college. This hurts in so many ways. Will ANY of the Sens and Reps stand up and take responsibility and pass gun laws for the benefit of us all?
We watched NBC news tonight, and the clip of the CMO saying there is an evil in this country which we must eradicate was played. I was very glad. She spoke such truth. People need to hear that over and over until it gets through their prejudices and hatreds.
Could minimum wage in Pa. jump to $9 an hour? State Sen. Christine Tartaglione will be in Philly with that proposal. goo.gl/UHKlLg— (@MetroPhilly) September 16, 2013
Pf, if Corbett has to sign it, it won’t happen. He simply cannot bring himself to do anything positive for the working people of PA.
Couldn’t be more obvious ….
Notice since the identity & pics of the DC shooter were released, there has been no mention of "mental illness". Do the math.— Matt Murphy (@MattMurph24) September 16, 2013
I can’t think of a suitable comment Bobfr – so “I agree” – although not mind bending – says it all.
JO’B may disagree, but I think we rely on far too many contractors.
Those authors who wrote spy thrillers during the height of the cold war (pre-1970) would probably be appalled at how lax we are our with our national intel.
Post team learns NavyYard shooter, discharged for misconduct, later got security clearance and access as contractor.. washingtonpost.com— Carol Leonnig (@CarolLeonnig) September 16, 2013
From the end of the last thread:
BREAKING. Spokesman for Hewlett Packard tells @CBSNews Navy Yard shooter was contractor working on the Navy-Marine intranet network.— El_Grillo (@El_Grillo1) September 16, 2013
I agree that we rely too much on private contractors. They can never be vetted to the degree gov’t workers are…Snowden is another example.
If he was let go from the Navy for what is reported, then a private contractor doing the same kind of work should not have hired him.
Private Contractors exploded…..the usage that is during the GW Bush Regime.
I can’t count the number of soldiers I know who have left the military in order to go to work for private contractors. The privatization explosion actually started under Bill Clinton, who signed the legislation.
It’s all happened before. It will certainly happen again. And after the recall vote in Colorado on September 10, it seems more certain than ever that nothing will be done to prevent it.
“It” is mass casualty shootings, such as that which just occurred in the Washington Navy Yard. This historic facility now joins the long roll of place names indelibly associated with massacre and grief: Columbine, Virginia Tech, Newtown. I write on the day of the killing. Gun enthusiasts say it is inappropriate to talk about gun violence at the time it occurs. Better to wait … and wait … and wait … until time has passed, and the weeping next of kin have vanished from TV, and it’s safe to return to business as usual. The idea of the gun enthusiasts is that the way to show respect for the victims of gun violence is to do everything possible to multiply their number.
So glad that you are safe, Donna….and my thoughts are with the families tonight that have lost a loved one to more gun violence. Needness, senseless gun violence. When the hell is enough, enough for these cowards?
While police are still on the lookout for a potential accomplice in the mass shooting, details are leaking out about Alexis and they point to a disturbing history of gun violence.
According to his hometown newspaper, The Star-Telegram, Alexis has had previous gun-related incidents:
Tarrant County court records show Alexis was arrested in September 2010 for allegedly discharging a firearm within a municipality. The records do not indicate that Alexis was ever formally charged in the case.
Later that same month, Tarrant County court records show that The Orion at Oak Hill apartments in Fort Worth began eviction efforts against Alexis.
Alexis’s former roommate told told the Star-Telegram that the gunman owned a semiautomatic weapon and a concealed handgun license.
Under federal law, it’s very likely that Alexis was still able to legally posses a firearm. Permanent bans on gun ownership are only handed out to very specific groups of people including felons, domestic abusers, and the seriously mentally ill. Some states, like California (PDF), have laws that more strictly limit gun purchases for people with certain firearms charges, but Texas isn’t one of these states. In fact, in nearly half of states, officials are still able to give a handgun permit to someone with a history like Alexis’s.
If reports from the scene are right, however, Alexis’s gun possession Monday was illegal no matter his gun history. News outlets indicate that Alexis had as many as three weapons, including a semi-automatic AR15. The AR15 is banned in DC.
All politics is local, and for all intents and purposes, Congresscritters “reside” in DC.
Law enforcement source tells @CBSNews shotgun used by Navy Yard shooter was purchased within the last week at Lorton, VA gun store.— Charlie Kaye (@CharlieKayeCBS) September 17, 2013
I email my Republican congressman and told him that it is ashame that the Republicans are making it hardier to vote then it is to buy a assault weapon. This guy should not been able to get these guns, but thanks to the NRA and the cowards in the congress he did get them and kill 12 people.
What can We Expect When We Live in a Country Where its Harder to Get Healthcare, a Job, or Vote Than it is to Buy a Gun? #NavyYardShooting— (@TheNewDeal) September 16, 2013
That can’t be what We The People mean as Exceptionalism, could it?
Say it ain’t so.
Long day for you. So glad that you and your colleagues are safe. Thanks for providing on-the-scene updates today.
This truly is a sad state of affairs.
The second amendment is one thing, but to for someone who shot someone else’s tires out in a fit of road rage to have purchased the shotgun a week ago?
But now I’m confused, saw elsewhere that shooter had an AR-15. Was that an incorrect report?
That’s what the link I put up @ 38 said.
He had an AR-15, a handgun and a shotgun…Yep I’m still trying to figure out HOW he got into that facility with all that firepower. Yes there are military people on that base with guns but he was a contractor.
I read he may have grabbed some off the people he shot
Ahhh well that would make sense.
Shoq @Shoq 1h
PETITION asking @MSNBC to give @theReidReport her own show. http://j.mp/15yDAK4 #p2
Bill Daley abrubtly dropped his bid for Illinois governor
politicalwire.com/archives/2013/…— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) September 17, 2013
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Let’s not even talk about how a shaky Navy enlistee with two shooting raps gets a contractor gig and a CAC card, much less an assault rifle.
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Here is costa concirdia
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Here is costa concirdia
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I hav a bad phone.
I am chucking this I phone 5 in the river. It sucks. Concordia.
Don’t do it Jovie!!!
Someone took exception to my tweet about background checks and gun owners not wanting to be inconvenienced by pointing out Holmes passed a check. So obviously, since a system wouldn’t catch everybody, it shouldn’t be tried at all. Beat this same person is in favor of stop and frisk, even though it doesn’t catch everybody.
Just saw a tweet which pointed out Holmes passed background check. Guess since a system doesn't catch everybody no sense in having it. Idiot— john miller (@deaconmill) September 17, 2013
New post: http://theobamadiary.com/2013/09/16/when-will-it-be-enough/
Syria's Sarin More Potent Than What Saddam Had, UN Says abcn.ws/182inZp— ABC News (@ABC) September 17, 2013
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