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Rise and Shine

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Steve Benen: Republican support in ‘jaw-dropping’ free fall

Professional pollsters for major news organizations are notoriously cautious people who avoid hyperbole. So when Democratic pollster Peter Hart and Republican Bill McInturff conducted the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll and described the results as “jaw-dropping,” it’s worth appreciating why.

Let’s put it this way: if this poll were a campfire story, it’d leave Republicans shaking uncontrollably in their sleeping bags. The GOP wasn’t in especially good shape before, but the shutdown crisis and the threats to crash the economy on purpose have been an unmitigated disaster for the party, causing the sort of collapse in public support pollsters simply don’t see very often.

What’s the good news for Republicans in the poll? There is no good news.

More here

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Dana Milbank: Cruzification of the GOP

…. Skeptics warned from the start that it was a suicide mission for Republicans to shut down the federal government in a long-shot attempt to defund Obamacare. Now that such dire predictions have come to pass, the lawmakers who engineered the shutdown are getting the conflagration — and the martyrdom — they sought.

….. Cruz has seen his reputation take a 16-point negative turn in the national Gallup poll since June. Cruz’s partner in the rebellion, Sen. Mike Lee of Utah, has seen a 20-point negative swing in his home state over the same time period.

…. Even the infamous Koch brothers, financiers of the tea party, are distancing themselves from the shutdown contretemps….

The Boston Globe recently reported that David Koch gave MIT $20 million for a child-care facility, because “I got a tear in my eye” hearing about researchers’ need for child care. Maybe the lachrymose Koch will weep for his country when he realizes the economic destruction caused by the groups he bankrolled.

Full post here

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Ed Henry walking out of yesterday’s briefing because Jay Carney didn’t call the shill for a question – and because, you know, it’s all about him:

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The People’s View: As GOP cries uncle, Obama refuses to bail them out

As the Republican plan to deprive Americans of health care by holding the government’s operations hostage and threatening default has fallen apart in the face of withering public backlash and the strength of a president who has refused to pay ransom for Congress doing its job, some Republicans are still holding out hope that the same president who they hoped to destroy will bail them out from their own quagmire and save their face. Well, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

… In the mean time, Jay Carney has re-iterated that the president will not pay a ransom simply to reopen government and pay America’s bills.

What does all this mean? The best I can tell, the president is exactly in the same position he has always been in: Republicans need to end the shutdown, stop threatening default, and then the normal process of budget negotiations can resume. Once it does resume after the GOP ends the crisis they inflicted on America, the framework, as far as the president is concerned, needs to include both long term budget savings and increased taxes from those who can afford it.

More here

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Our very own Alycee:

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Oh, these people:

ThinkProgress: Congressman: Workers Furloughed In Shutdown Should Not Get Backpay

While the House unanimously passed a bill last week to pay the 800,000 workers who have been deemed non-essential in the shutdown their lost wages once the government opens again, Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL) thinks they shouldn’t get paid.

At a teletown hall on Thursday, a constituent called in to say, “The people that had to work should be paid. But the people that are home watching Netflix and whatever, I’m not sure that we should be sending them checks.”

More here

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UPI: US postal worker fired for throwing away Obamacare mail

The United States Postal Service has fired a Fresno, Calif., mailman who admitted he threw away letters about “Obamacare.”

Residents of a Central Fresno apartment complex took photos of a nearby dumpster filled with mail about “Obamacare.” Witnesses saw the postal carrier discarding the mail.

“He just kept glancing over his shoulder over and over again. It was like he knew what he was doing was wrong,” said witness Jerry Dills. “It was just amazing, I looked down in there and there was a bunch of people’s addresses and right away… I knew this was absolutely wrong.”

More here

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UPI: First lady Michelle Obama welcomes Pakistani teen shot by Taliban

Pakistani teenager Malala Yousafzai, who was shot by the Taliban in Pakistan last year, was greeted at the White House Friday by first lady Michelle Obama.

“President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama today welcomed Malala Yousafzai to the Oval Office to thank her for her inspiring and passionate work on behalf of girls education in Pakistan,” the White House said in a statement. “The United States joins with the Pakistani people and so many around the world to celebrate Malala’s courage and her determination to promote the right of all girls to attend school and realize their dreams. As the first lady has said, ‘Investing in girls’ education is the very best thing we can do, not just for our daughters and granddaughters, but for their families, their communities, and their countries.'”

“Across the globe there are girls who will one day lead nations, if only we afford them the chance to choose their own destinies,” President Obama said in his proclamation to mark the International Day of the Girl. “And on every continent, there are girls who will go on to change the world in ways we can only imagine, if only we allow them the freedom to dream.”

More here

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Media Matters: Once Again, Sunday Morning Talk Shows Are White, Male, And Conservative

In the first nine months of 2013, white men dominated the guest lists on the broadcast network Sunday shows and CNN’s State of the Union. MSNBC was the only network achieving notable diversity in its guests, particularly on Melissa Harris-Perry’s show. Republicans and conservatives are hosted significantly more on the broadcast Sunday shows than Democrats and progressives.

More here

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@NoShock: The Washington Post engages a troll for the win!!

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Another Great Twitter Exchange of our Time:

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On This Day:

President Obama greets the student finalists of the Network for Teaching Entrepreneurship (NFTE) National Youth Entrepreneurship Challenge as they enter the Oval Office, Oct. 12, 2010 (Photo by Pete Souza)

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First Lady Michelle Obama is briefed by Lieutenant Commander Todd Hazlett before meeting with injured service members and their families at Bethesda Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Md., Oct. 12, 2010 (Photo by Samantha Appleton)

Oct. 12, 2012: “The President had invited former White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs to have lunch, and they apparently started talking about Gibb’s Chevy Volt. Gibbs knew the President had visited one of their factories and was hoping to drive a Volt one day. Gibbs told the President that his car was on the South Drive. So the President jumped in and made three loops around the drive, joking later that the Secret Service ordered that the White House gates not be opened under any circumstances.” (Photo by Pete Souza)

‘Dinner with Barack’ – Washington, October 2012, 2012 (Photo by Scout Tufankjian for Obama for America)

VP Biden in La Crosse, WI, October 12, 2012 (Photo by Christopher Dilts for Obama for America)

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MooooOOOOoooorning!


139 Responses to “Rise and Shine”


  1. 1 desertflower
    October 12, 2013 at 10:07 am

    GM!

  2. 5 MightyPamela
    October 12, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Y’all!

  3. October 12, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Dems are each lining up to ask for unanimous consent to open the government with Speaker denying each request.

    http://www.c-span.org/Events/Government-Shutdown-Both-Chambers-in-for-Saturday-Sessions/10737441909-10/

    • 7 Judith Fardig
      October 12, 2013 at 11:45 am

      When do you think Boehner will realize he has no choice but to end the shutdown and raise the debt ceiling without the Tea Party getting any respect or any other concession?

  4. 8 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 10:13 am

    G’morning Chips, TOD, lurkers, everyone and congrats df on #1 :)

  5. 9 donna dem 4 obama
    October 12, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Chips, that “it’s symbolic” is priceless. I’m still LOL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • October 12, 2013 at 10:16 am

      Honestly Donna, when I read that last night the tears were streaming down my face!! I’d only just recovered when I read your fella’s tweet:

      “Have any of you subversives’ giving much thought to what’s going to happy you in an uprising of the people”

      :lol:

  6. 11 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    October 12, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Bringing over from end of last post:

    Hey, TOD family! Been trying to catch up/keep up, however, body clock is still off, plus I’m dealing with personal heartache. Oct 1st was the ninth anniversary of my oldest son’s death, Oct 10th would have been his 36th birthday; this past Tuesday, my 91 yr old Uncle passed away, his funeral will be on the 15th; yesterday, a cousin suffered a tragic loss and I have another cousin that has been placed under hospice care. Request prayers for me and my family. Even with the heartache, my testimony continues to be “I won’t Complain.”

  7. October 12, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Dem rep just ordered to remove his sticker from his coat.

    • 23 amk for obama
      October 12, 2013 at 10:22 am

      Anything on no.of votes thus far? You are it today for me. I will keep bugging you.

      • October 12, 2013 at 10:29 am

        Ha! You never bug anybody!

        I haven’t seen a credible count, only statements today that the votes are there.

        There is a floor fight now for unanimous consent to open the government and go to conference on a budget, repeatedly denied by the Speaker. What seems to be going on is that Boehner has not given permission to vote on Senate Resolution. So not sure how this will turn throughout the day. Wish I could stay tuned all day but I have to catch a train later this morning………

      • October 12, 2013 at 10:41 am

        We’ll see, but it looks like Senate Rs are likely to filibuster this.

        OMG, this is a horror show.

  8. 28 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Well we knew this – it was the MSM that kept trying to convince us that PBO was “negotiating” with Boner….

  9. 29 desertflower
    October 12, 2013 at 10:17 am

    for donna who asked who the R’s were that support clean CR: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/house-republicans-clean-cr_n_4024755.html

    Sorry about the HP link…..

  10. 30 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 10:20 am

    No, PBO was never going to “negotiate” while the gov’t is still closed and the country is at risk of default.

  11. 32 99ts
    October 12, 2013 at 10:22 am

    It is good to see that the representatives from the Democratic party are such a diverse group – how different to the GOP.

  12. 37 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    October 12, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Hope you don’t mind me also bringing this one:

    Morning TOD!

    Yesterday, I spoke at a rally in front of our congresscritter’s office. Interesting event — pouring rain, building owner called police to bounce us from property, one tv station and two papers showed up. Needless to say, there was no one available from the critter’s staff to speak with us, however, they did manage to give a statement to the press. I put an excerpt of my remarks in the tweet below, please help me put him on the corner of “Front St & Blast”

  13. 40 Vicki
    October 12, 2013 at 10:29 am

    On the last thread hopefruit was discussing the fact of TV News telling the story they wish was true rather than what is actually happening.
    Not just on TV.
    The NY Times front page today is still framing the shutdown as some kind of a debate rather than what it really is.
    An assualt on a duly passed Law by an angry out-of-power renegade band of criminals seeking to undermine democracy and representative government in the USA.
    They can’t win power back legally so Plan B is to burn the house down.

    I am hoping we will see some progress today in the Senate. 800,000 families remain without their paychecks while this disgraceful behavior continues.

  14. 41 utaustinliberal
    October 12, 2013 at 10:33 am

    The Twitter exchange between the Washington Post and the Republican wins Best Tweets Of The Week! That is how you slay a troll.

    Great Rise and Shine Chips.

  15. 43 mtmarilyn
    October 12, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Good morning TOD family all. What a great R&S. I am so proud of our President and all the Democrats for standing strong. We cannot allow these teapubs terrorists to destroy our country.

    Alycee, my prayers are with you and your family. Virtual ((((((((((hugs.))))))))

    Also happy birthday to all who had birthdays this week. So many. Hope you all had wonderful days.

  16. 44 desertflower
    October 12, 2013 at 10:37 am

    O/T, but I happened upon this last night while I was thinking about going to sleep…..FASCINATING discussion they had. Check it out and take a look…..I’ve got this book on my “must read” list!

    http://billmoyers.com/segment/joyce-appleby-on-curiosity/

    Bill speaks with historian Joyce Appleby about her new book, Shores of Knowledge: New World Discoveries and the Scientific Imagination, which comes out this weekend.

    In it Appleby writes across 400 years of history featuring explorers from Christopher Columbus to Charles Darwin to Alexander Humboldt to explain how the curiosity of old Europe broke free of church dogma and fired the modern scientific imagination, creating the world we inhabit today.

    Curiosity was not something that was respected or encouraged by the Christian churches, Appleby tells Bill. It was viewed as a type of “lust for knowledge and asking questions that only God knew, so you weren’t supposed to ask about eclipses or tides or comets or anything of that sort,” she says.

  17. 48 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 10:41 am

    For those interested, please tune in to CSPAN 1 TV now to hear the House Dems presser on the current status of things related to the shutdown and the discharge petition.

  18. 49 utaustinliberal
    October 12, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Hahahahahahaha. YES.

  19. October 12, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Years from now politicians are going to be studying video footage and marvel at how Jay Carney broke the White House Press Corps.

  20. October 12, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Over the last couple of weeks, Peter King has repeatedly said he wouldn’t support a discharge petition and that it wouldn’t work.

    Today he is saying that if it comes to that, he would be willing to sign the petition to get the government open. SO, may be there will be some necessary peeling off of votes from the R side of the House, especially with the news that Boehner is now saying the negotiations are at an impasse.

    FINGERS CROSSED.

  21. 53 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 10:49 am

  22. 54 amk for obama
    October 12, 2013 at 10:55 am

  23. 55 amk for obama
    October 12, 2013 at 10:56 am

  24. October 12, 2013 at 10:58 am

  25. 57 amk for obama
    October 12, 2013 at 10:58 am

    LOL

  26. 59 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 11:01 am

    The silence from Little Nate on this government shutdown has been deafening. Now my suspicions have been proven correct. He doesn’t agree with the current polling showing the GOP is losing from the shutdown and is still stuck in his “bad news for Obama/Dems” frame of mind as he was BEFORE the shutdown…. As SmartyPants indicated, Silver should stick to just numbers, and stop trying to be a political pundit.

    http://www.grantland.com/fivethirtyeight/story/_/id/9802433/nate-silver-us-government-shutdown

    • 60 mtmarilyn
      October 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm

      I read his article and he is really gone over to the dark side. To say the default is not as bad as they say is so irresponsible. I use to respect him. But no more.

      • 61 Puddin'
        October 12, 2013 at 10:12 pm

        Maybe “they” got to him…I remember him looking pretty “beat up” by the end of the last election. I kept thinking, he’s not going to able to hold on.

  27. October 12, 2013 at 11:02 am

    GM Chips, TOD. Hope everybody enjoys their long weekend :)

    From my perch overseas, I’ve also been watching the run-up to the government shutdown in Washington. At times, I have tried to explain it to bemused foreigners. Many of them think, mistakenly, that Americans are having an argument about the budget or the deficit. I have to put them straight: This is an attempt by one part of the U.S. political system to use the budgetary process to stop the implementation of a single law, the Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”). If my interlocutors come from democratic countries, they then look puzzled.

    If they read the commentary pouring out of Washington, they are even more confused, as am I. What surprises — and shocks — me is how many people who have written, blogged or self-righteously tweeted about the results of various polls on these events, as if they matter. Do 47 percent of Americans oppose Obamacare? Do 73.7 percent oppose Obamacare? Do 97 percent of Republicans hate Obamacare even more than they hate death and taxes? Who cares? In a functioning democracy, it doesn’t matter what the majority happens to think at any given moment. What matters is what the legitimate, representative, legal institutions have already decided.

  28. October 12, 2013 at 11:04 am

    WOW, hope you’re still in safe territory, amk.

    • 67 amk for obama
      October 12, 2013 at 11:24 am

      Yes, I am far, far away but been watching the idiot box news for the past two hours, who, a la anderson cooper, have reporters saying that the storm is 20 km away from the land for the past 2 hours. Keeping fingers crossed for those people.

  29. 68 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 11:04 am

  30. 69 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 11:05 am

    For those who are interested, please tune in now to CSPAN 2 to hear Senator Reid give an update on the current status of the shutdown and debt ceiling debate.

  31. 70 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 11:06 am

    This is just too funny by a half!

    • October 12, 2013 at 11:12 am

      That guy was too much. Said he hates the idea of Obamacare but he tried to sign up his wife! He couldn’t get in and so that proves it’s just a trick to hide the fact that Obamacare is too expensive for everyone! GAH.

  32. 73 Linda
    October 12, 2013 at 11:10 am

    I think the House is voting on moving the Farm Bill to Conference.

    The The Collins bill has a delay of the medical device tax for 2 years only, not a repeal.

    Harry is on the floor speaking.

    • 74 hopefruit2
      October 12, 2013 at 11:33 am

      Neither of these bills are going to pass the Senate.

    • 75 Obama Grandmama
      October 12, 2013 at 3:10 pm

      It takes all parts of the comprehensive ACA law to generate the savings the CBO predicted. The GOP know that delaying and picking apart the law will weaken it and give their argument against it more validity.

  33. 76 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 11:11 am

  34. 79 Linda
    October 12, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Chris Van Hollen is going after the rule change the GOP did on 9-30-2013

  35. 83 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 11:36 am

  36. October 12, 2013 at 11:38 am

    This is all very confusing to me. I’m a few steps behind what is going on in the House, even with the great explanations from TODville.

    Donna and Desertflower,

    The HuffPo article that DF linked to was updated was last updated on Tues. and listed 24 GOP would would sign clean CR, no strings attached.

    There’s at least 30 in play, as Nancy Pelosi tweeted on Thursday (posted this yesterday, and BobFR said he had RT’s this tweet):

    • 85 desertflower
      October 12, 2013 at 11:46 am

      OH! Thanks, Arapaho:) I saw this from Nancy and knew I had it SOMEWHERE, but couldn’t find it right away….you’re a lifesaver:)

  37. October 12, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Chips are you and the President Tricking us early this morning? At the very beginning of his speech it says July 12, 2013. I guess the proof reader is furrowed.

    • October 12, 2013 at 11:54 am

      Ha, I didn’t even notice that Carol!! The poor old video maker will have to re-do it and upload it again!

      • October 12, 2013 at 12:05 pm

        Need to give them slack in this time of stress. And I wrote furrowed instead of furloughed. I’m so rattled by this. Why do those financial advisers tell us old people to invest in “safe” Treasury bills.

  38. 89 Dudette
    October 12, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Happy (Belated?) Birthday Marlz!

    Hope it is/was fun! :-)

  39. 92 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 11:57 am

  40. 99 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 12:05 pm

  41. 104 dotster3
    October 12, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Amusing exchange from Ted Cruz’s Princeton roommate—–same jerk then as now, with “serious body odor issues”. So extremely gross and seriously smelly.

  42. 107 Dudette
    October 12, 2013 at 12:16 pm

  43. 108 dotster3
    October 12, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    I seen now clarification on NFL’s Adrian Peterson’s 2 yr. old son who was killed by his mother’s boyfriend. Peterson only recently found out about this son and hadn’t met him yet when he got news that the boy had been rushed to the hospital. People were confused, including me, because he has a son, Adrian Jr., of the same age who lives with him—–the one who has been photographed with him at games etc.—-who is healthy and alive. Still just a dreadful tragedy. The accused has a long history of domestic violence, even received a yr. jail sentence at one point which was suspended.

  44. 109 Jovie
    October 12, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    It didn’t pass! Surprise! Next?

    • 110 amk for obama
      October 12, 2013 at 12:23 pm

      what was the vote count? Did any dem backstab?

    • 113 hopefruit2
      October 12, 2013 at 12:35 pm

      The GOP is NOW fully on on the record as having voted against….so they can’t turn around and pretend to not want a default come Wednesday….

      • 114 Jovie
        October 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm

        It doesn’t look good. Unless Collins apparently can save our asses.
        That default would be end of republicans but also hurts the president, not bad but it does. He doesn’t deserve this crap.

        • 115 hopefruit2
          October 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm

          Collins is not interested in saving anyone’s ass but hers. Reid rejected her shitty bill, and rightfully so. The default doesn’t hurt the President. He is not running for re-election next year or at any time, and his legacy (Obamacare) is already here to stay. The default hurts the country, and the global community. And it WILL hurt the GOP come 2014.

          I’m glad the Dems are not going to be bullied into accepting crappy compromises. :) :)

  45. 116 Dudette
    October 12, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    MHP’s show is not perfect (none is), but I give her props for bringing diversity to the weekend talk shows

  46. 119 Vicki
    October 12, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Next week with Cory Booker we will have 55 Democratic senators. One vote better.
    Today’s vote not announced yet but CSPAN screen announces bill failed.

  47. 121 Vicki
    October 12, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    All democrats voted for bill. Reid changed his vote to “no” in order to bring the matter up again.
    Democratic unity holds.

  48. October 12, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Senate in recess. Dems going into caucus session.

    OY.

  49. 124 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm

  50. 127 Dudette
    October 12, 2013 at 12:42 pm

  51. 128 Dudette
    October 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm

  52. 129 hopefruit2
    October 12, 2013 at 12:48 pm

  53. 130 amk for obama
    October 12, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    And what happened to the house vote?

    • 131 hopefruit2
      October 12, 2013 at 1:05 pm

      The House Dems are working on the discharge petition. This will force the GOP to go on the record as to whether or not they truly want the gov’t shutdown to end. Those who want to end the shutdown must sign the petition.

  54. 136 Dudette
    October 12, 2013 at 12:58 pm

  55. 138 Dudette
    October 12, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    C’mon, you know you wanna laugh! :-D :-D :-D

  56. 139 idon
    October 12, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    You guys what I’m about to say may sound crazy but I grew up in the fifties and sixties during the civil rights movement. In those days, the klan and white supremacists used to bomb and kill not only blacks but whites who supported the movement. I was wondering if anyone thought it possible that they have threatened to bomb the families of any House Republican who supports re-opening the gov’t or raising the debt ceiling. before Oct. 17th.


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