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GOP Shutdown Update

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Tortilla Coast is a Capitol Hill restaurant where Ted Cruz and some House Republicans met to plot the latest debacle


160 Responses to “GOP Shutdown Update”


  1. 1 Grab a mop grace
    October 15, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Release the hostages!

  2. 8 magapie
    October 15, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Hey gang!

  3. 9 vcprezofan2
    October 15, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    In!

  4. 10 desertflower
    October 15, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    I’m so fucking pissed I could spit bricks

    • 11 a4alice
      October 15, 2013 at 8:01 pm

      how about it DF? I am amazed by rhis.

      • 12 desertflower
        October 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm

        I can FEEL my blood boiling right now. This was premeditated by the RWNJ’s with a HUGE assist from the MSM. I have never seen such a clusterfuck in all my days. They are all pathetic and I hope they rot for what they are doing to our country. I’m being as calm as I can be right now….

        • 13 Dudette
          October 15, 2013 at 8:10 pm

          Don’t boil. Cool it down to a simmer. Use that anger to fuel the crushing we will lay on those mofos in upcoming elections.

          First up: Corey Booker in NJ tomorrow!

        • October 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm

          I’m right there with you, df. I can’t even think straight I’m so furious. I’ve never seen such cavalier Congressional dysfunction in all my life.

    • 19 Betsy
      October 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm

      I am too, and even though I totally and absolutely trust PBO. I am SO mad that he has has to go through this shit just because he’s black. I am outraged (and I am a 58yr old white flaming Liberal) !!!!!!!!

    • 20 kathryn kivett
      October 15, 2013 at 8:41 pm

      Took the words right out of my mouth.

      • 21 kathryn kivett
        October 15, 2013 at 8:44 pm

        coming from a 70 yr. old white flaming liberal from the SOUTH

        • 22 HZ
          October 15, 2013 at 9:14 pm

          Df, meta, Kathryn, and Betsy, you all took the words out of my mouth, ears, hair, and now I am holding my glass of red. This shit hurt so much, but I know PBO has to have a crew who can say these words out loud.
          These crap fools are crazy. Hate will make a person do some crazy shit. As Sen. Tester said, “Hate.”

          He has one of the most brilliant minds in the world.
          He has the compassion of a beautiful human being.
          He has the great wife and family.
          He has a great core to guide his faith.
          He walks his faith and not only talks it.
          He is the hardest working President in my life time, and I have been around for many years.
          He has tried from day one to work with anyone to make our nation a great place to live.
          He has made our nation to be recognized in a better light all across the world.
          He respects and love our military.
          He chose brilliant, bright, and the best minds to work for his administration.
          He had the highest pile of shit left for him even as he was winning the election. But yet he got in there and worked his behind off.
          He has one of the best educations in the world.
          He has and always will carry himself in a respect manner.
          He loves people with a sincere heart.
          And He is our first black president which should make all decent human being proud of our nation,
          Yet they Still Hate him so that they would allow our nation to fall like this.
          You Tell Me Why.
          Stop beating around the damn bush. He is Black and he won with truth and character that is hard to find. He is too good for these damn disturbed hateful and vile people who would rather destroy our nation than watch a black man who is most qualified to be in the Oval Office.
          I am so grateful that President Barack H. Obama is who he is in his inner core. A decent and honorable man who is our POTUS.

          I just might drink this entire bottle tonight. HZ

          • 23 Lynn
            October 15, 2013 at 10:31 pm

            Every word sparkles, HZ!! This really reaches to the core of our President!! Clinking glasses with you and back to lurking.

  5. 25 susanne
    October 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    love you chips, but you might want to replace ‘sigh’ with ‘spit nails’.

  6. October 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    love the picture shown up top. Our President…such resolve

  7. 27 MightyPamela
    October 15, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Because Heritage Action are elected officials, right? Wake the eff up, America!

  8. 28 utaustinliberal
    October 15, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Holy crap! We have six…SIX TODers tied for first place. Congrats Grab a mop Grace, Layla, Rikyrah, Magapie, VC, and DesertFlower.

  9. 37 donna dem 4 obama
    October 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    • 38 99ts
      October 15, 2013 at 8:28 pm

      I might be misreading something, but it appears the GOP have lost Jennifer Rubin – from her tweets.

      and the NRO

      The Christian rite accompanying legislative chaos today was Florida representative Steve Southerland’s rendition of “Amazing Grace” – “all three verses,” said Representative Michael Burgess (Texas) afterwards in amazement.

      But Southerland is an undertaker by trade, and the song is normally sung at funerals. It’s not hard to see’s today’s failure as the death of the House GOP’s role, in at least this standoff.

      http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361336/stunned-republicans-react-canceled-vote-jonathan-strong

      Seems the usual RW Pundits are mainly missing in action. Good.

      • 39 vcprezofan2
        October 15, 2013 at 9:25 pm

        Anyone cares to explain to me what ‘Amazing Grace’ has to do with Repubs trying to destroy the government? I saw it earlier today, but decided not to question, but it still hasn’t clicked in my brain hours later.

        • 40 99ts
          October 15, 2013 at 10:05 pm

          We sang it at my Mother’s funeral – i assume the GOP were hoping to celebrate the funeral of democracy in the USA

          • 41 vcprezofan2
            October 15, 2013 at 10:13 pm

            I ran the words through my mind when I first read the news about it, but its use in House sure didn’t make any sense to me.

  10. October 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    A six way tie!!! Congrats to all & thank you UT!!

  11. October 15, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Hi Arapaho, appreciate the tweets you posted toward the bottom of the previous thread and wanted you to know that I agree with Professor Wilentz’s perspective on Section 4 of the 14th. These 4 paragraphs from his NYTimes Op-Ed succinctly explain why:

    “As the wording of the amendment evolved during the Congressional debate, the principle of the debt’s inviolability became a general proposition, applicable not just to the Civil War debt but to all future accrued debts of the United States. The Republican Senate leader, Benjamin F. Wade of Ohio, declared that by placing the debt “under the guardianship of the Constitution,” investors would be spared from being “subject to the varying majorities which may arise in Congress.”

    Two years later, on the verge of the amendment’s ratification, its champions inside the Republican Party made their intentions absolutely clear, proclaiming in their 1868 party platform that “national honor requires the payment of the public indebtedness in the utmost good faith to all creditors at home and abroad,” and pronouncing any repudiation of the debt “a national crime.”

    More than three generations later, in 1935, Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, ruling in the case of Perry v. the United States, revisited the amendment and affirmed the “fundamental principle” that Congress may not “alter or destroy” debts already incurred.

    House Republicans threatening to refuse to raise the debt ceiling — that is, force a repudiation of debts already accrued — would violate that “fundamental principle” of the Constitution.”

    #TrustBarack

    Yes WE Can

  12. October 15, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    GE, TOD…..

    • October 15, 2013 at 9:18 pm

      Did you see this from last week?

      DF and other Arizonans get the benefit of solar even after dark!!!

      This is the future of energy in the sun-drenched desert (the solar plant Google is investing in is in Imperial County, which lies between San Diego County and southern Arizona. Lowest of the low desert (except for Death Valley).

      • 48 Lynn
        October 15, 2013 at 11:04 pm

        Wonderful! Great news for your state, Arapahoe!

      • October 16, 2013 at 3:08 pm

        GA, Arapaho! Sorry I couldn’t respond earlier….had some stuff for school last night. I did see your post last week, and am compiling related articles for an eventual “Alternative Energy” post….. I know this subject interests us both, many on TOD,a I always look forward to your informative finding!

  13. 50 vcprezofan2
    October 15, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    O/T: Okay, here are the TODobots who are on my mind this evening – No Child Left Behind and CJ, both of whom are recovering from major surgery. Sending a shout out for ‘painless’ and fast healing to you both! Take care of yourselves, for now, by letting others take great care of you. Don’t push yourselves too hard, too soon.

    • 51 Dudette
      October 15, 2013 at 8:23 pm

      Thanks for the update vc! Sending my love out to both of them. Get well soon, but accept your body’s pace.
      Hugs to you NCLB and CJ!

  14. 52 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm

  15. 53 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 8:14 pm

  16. 55 japa21
    October 15, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    I know the following may sound a little extreme, but it is, in actuality, exactly what the GOP is doing. In fact, the terrorists would do less damage in reality than what GOP is threatening to do.

  17. 56 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm

  18. 57 hopefruit2
    October 15, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    • 58 hopefruit2
      October 15, 2013 at 8:19 pm

      Let me just say that I don’t get the “Obamacare income verification” part. I thought the GOP wanted less government intrusion and not more. So why are they now insisting on Obamacare income verification requirement? Or is that just another ploy to turn people off from the ACA?

      Why is the GOP insisting on tinkering with Obamacare at all costs?

    • October 15, 2013 at 8:20 pm

      That’s INCLUDING extraordinary measures?

      • 63 Lovepolitics2008
        October 15, 2013 at 9:27 pm

        President Obama will have a big problem with that… we can argue that the GOP won’t dare try again this threatening default any time soon… but we can’t trust them can we ? So the administration needs some tools just in case….

        • October 15, 2013 at 9:38 pm

          No, there’s NO WAY Dems or POTUS will agree to that. We are in fact functioning today due to extraordinary measures taken by Lew.

    • October 15, 2013 at 8:24 pm

      The ‘income verification’ item is so lame. Do the fools proposing that not realize that all the providers will require it whether it’s in the ACA, currently, or not. Be it an individual or a business, part of the upfront application process is that the SSN of all those seeking insurance has to be provided. With that bit of information, a cross check of IRS tax return files, and if you are lying about your income you’re in trouble.

      But, if that’s the fig leaf then they’ve confirmed that it would require an atomic force microscope to detect the GOP’s gonads ….

      • 66 Vicki
        October 15, 2013 at 8:34 pm

        Bobfr, isn’t this similar to when the GOP were demanding “means testing” for Medicare?
        Those of us who have Medicare found this baffling because there already are measures in place so that income determines cost. Only 2 different levels so maybe they wanted additional levels, but still. The idea GOP is promoting seems to be asking for what you already have and then framing the aquisition as a “win.” Pathetic.

        • October 15, 2013 at 8:37 pm

          “The idea GOP is promoting seems to be asking for what you already have and then framing the aquisition as a “win.” Pathetic.”

          Yes. And, yes it is pathetic.

          • 68 vcprezofan2
            October 15, 2013 at 9:30 pm

            And even more pathetic that such a ploy would actually fool or satisfy their base! When you think about it, these guys/gals are not even honest with their own base.

    • October 15, 2013 at 8:29 pm

      The “income verification” is already part of the ACA….. The Obama administration gave it a waiver. So the GOP’s big win is something that is already law…… the only difference would be if they tried to add additional language making the reporting requirement more strenuous, thus discouraging people to sign up (as you keenly suspected). I doubt Harry Ried would allow that even if it is part of any deal, which changes every 3 miniutes……

      • October 15, 2013 at 8:37 pm

        That’s exactly what I thought. I was just going back to research that because it just seems so stupid.

        At one point yesterday, they also added a one-year delay in the law’s reinsurance tax, which is something the union’s want. So it’s all completely crazy-making. I’m thinking they’re just sticking “ACA” BS language in the bill just to fool their idiot TPers.

    • October 15, 2013 at 9:01 pm

      What do those fractions mean? What do they mean by extraordinary measures? I’m so confused which I guess what the GOP wants. If Cantor gets a windfall from his investment on the default can they hold ethics hearings on him if the Dems ever get control? That is so disgusting. How many other members are also invested and why doesn’t MSM report it? Sorry, I know the answer to the last.

      • 72 99ts
        October 15, 2013 at 9:05 pm

        Would love if they would sue him for “insider trading” because ANYONE in congress who shorts the share market is doing exactly that. It seems some may have already sold their shares and are desperate for a market collapse so they can buy back in at rock bottom prices

    • October 15, 2013 at 9:13 pm

      Hf, do you know what “extraordinary measures” means in terms of debt ceiling to 2/7?

      • 75 hopefruit2
        October 15, 2013 at 9:18 pm

        No, I don’t know what that means.

      • 76 vcprezofan2
        October 15, 2013 at 9:40 pm

        I THINK it has something to do with the fact that the Treasury, under current ‘extraordinary measures’ can make decisions re how to manipulate funds to keep things working. I believe I saw somewhere where House GOPs want to take away that possibility, thereby making it easier in future for them to gum up the works. {And if I’m totally wrong, JG, someone will be sure to set me straight. ;) }

  19. 77 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 8:20 pm

  20. 86 99ts
    October 15, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    I am in need of a reward for being last on at least 3 threads today – we need some Potus and Flotus pictures

    • 87 Dudette
      October 15, 2013 at 8:44 pm

      :-D Nice!

    • 88 vcprezofan2
      October 15, 2013 at 9:55 pm

      Here you go – your reward for bringing up the rear (really, think of it as marching to a different drummer/clock). :grin:

      • 89 99ts
        October 15, 2013 at 10:07 pm

        Ha VC – the strength of character shows with/without any editing.

        • 90 vcprezofan2
          October 15, 2013 at 10:21 pm

          I wanted to edit out the extra bodies or the ‘dead space’ at the top but didn’t want to take the time to figure out how to crop creatively. What can I say, I am not the least bit artistic.

          This profile of PBO was one I gathered a year or two ago with the intent to get an art student to draw it into an ‘original’ O family portrait. I also gathered an individual picture each of FLOTUS and the girls, but then I never followed through. (I actually ‘lost’ the pics of the ladies on my old computer).

  21. October 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm

  22. October 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Pedal to the metal:

    I stand with our POTUS!!

  23. October 15, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Just be grateful I’m not in Congress. I’d be just as ornery and crazy as the TP. In September, the head of Al Qaeda called for his followers to cause chaos in America and cause financial ruin. When I finished all those conspiratorial nuts would think Cruz et al were Al Qaeda. I’d fix them!

  24. 101 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 8:30 pm

  25. October 15, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    • 112 jacquelineoboomer
      October 15, 2013 at 8:40 pm

      So.Well.Said.

    • 113 desertflower
      October 15, 2013 at 8:47 pm

      I’m within a hair’s breath of going postal on my idiot rep…I DO have a pitchfork!

      • October 15, 2013 at 9:19 pm

        Def, I got close to it today, told his office I was sending them my bills if this nonsense stopped our SS checks. Told him I was fed up to the teeth with his all talk and no action. The guy on the phone had gotten so many calls, he seemed ready to cry.

    • October 15, 2013 at 9:55 pm

      Ha!

      We’re on a similar wavelength.

      The MSM conveniently chooses not to cover things like Cantor and R-money windfalls. They also treat SCOTUS like they are Gods. SCOTUS really needs to be term-limited because they are so crucial to a functioning democracy which the corrupt MSM and Congress believe should be replaced by a plutocracy.

  26. 116 desertflower
    October 15, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/5-charts-show-us-has-no-debt-crisis

    Having discovered that their shutdown of the federal government has made them less popular than the Ebola virus, House Republicans backed away from their blackmail that Obamacare be delayed or defunded. Nevertheless, John Boehner insisted, “I’m not going to raise the debt limit without a serious conversation about dealing with problems that are driving the debt up.”

    To put it in language the Speaker understands, President Obama and his Democratic allies should tell John Boehner to “go f**k yourself.” The GOP’s supposed offers don’t merely keep Damocles’ sword hanging over the U.S. economy. As it turns out–and as both John Boehner and Paul Ryan have admitted, there is no debt crisis. These five charts show why.

    In a rare moment of candor, House Speaker John Boehner in March acknowledged that “we have no immediate debt crisis.” As this graph from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) reveals, Boehner is right:

    But all the stupid asses don’t know this! Why? Because the media has lied by omission and the RWNJ’s keep their constituents STUPID ON PURPOSE!

    • 117 99ts
      October 15, 2013 at 9:18 pm

      Will they ever accept that NOTHING is driving the debt up – how come they NEVER have a dbt problem with a GOP President – my hate meter is driving up my blood pressure!

  27. 118 vcprezofan2
    October 15, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    As Dudette said earlier, who cares what the Repubs eat, or need? They make all kinds of reckless and selfish decisions and then actually think people will care if *they* need a drink!!!!

    • 119 desertflower
      October 15, 2013 at 8:49 pm

      Let them drink themselves into a damn coma for all I care. Every. Last. One.

      • 120 vcprezofan2
        October 15, 2013 at 8:58 pm

        I seriously have no objections to that, Desertf, as long as the Senate can legally work around their comatose bodies to settle the debt ceiling matter in time and get the government going again.

    • October 15, 2013 at 8:54 pm

      It better damn well not be on taxpayer’s dime.

      • 122 desertflower
        October 15, 2013 at 8:57 pm

        Kinda is. WE pay their salaries.

      • 123 vcprezofan2
        October 15, 2013 at 9:02 pm

        Doesn’t everything they do get done on the taxpayer’s dime – even when they were plotting against the elected president? IMO the Constitution should be amended so that politicians’ salaries are impacted if they deliberately decide to NOT work and aren’t shy about stating their positions publicly, loudly and repeatedly.

  28. October 15, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Congrats to everyone who tied for first. I’m so far behind I’m a lost cause. I’m so glad for this refuge of sanity at TOD.

  29. 125 Ladyhawke
    October 15, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Putting an end to the series of hostage crises

    By Steve Benen

    ——————————

    Democrats want this madness to end – Congress should simply do its job, without threats of political violence. The bipartisan Senate deal respected this basic principle, while the House Republican alternative deliberately rejects this principle.

    Greg Sargent added:

    The Senate GOP’s demands are legitimate, because they are being made in negotiations which are not occurring in a context where Republicans are presuming the threat of disaster gives them unilateral leverage. The Senate talks accept as a given that default won’t happen and are centered on horse-trading within that context. The House GOP’s demands are extortionate, because they continue to be premised on the idea – again, one rooted in genuine views House Republicans hold about acceptable governing norms – that Dems should fork over unilateral concessions on Obamacare, because if they don’t, the consequence will be economic disaster.

    You don’t need to side with one or the other camp in order to acknowledge the basic contours of this argument, or of this overall situation.
    Both sides want to establish a precedent. Republicans want to normalize holding the debt ceiling hostage and threatening Americans with deliberate harm in exchange for whatever policy concessions the GOP is seeking at that moment. Democrats want to prevent lawmakers from imposing these threats on the country again.

    ———————————————–

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ending-the-series-hostage-crise

  30. 126 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    The NERVE of this slimeball! Ugh!

    • 127 Dudette
      October 15, 2013 at 8:49 pm

      Here, let me just post the thing:

      Some classic Lindsey Graham special pleading here:

      “We won’t be the last political party to overplay our hand. It might happen one day on the Democratic side. And if it did, would Republicans, for the good of the country, kinda give a little? We really did go too far. We screwed up. But their response is making things worse, not better.”

      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/ok-fine-we-went-too-far-but-cut-us-some-slack

      • 128 Sandy1110
        October 15, 2013 at 8:54 pm

        They are some seriously slimy fcuks.

      • 129 Ladyhawke
        October 15, 2013 at 9:03 pm

        CANTOR’S DIRTY RULE CHANGE

        Democracy has been suspended in the House of Representatives by Eric Cantor’s dirty rule change. The government could have been opened by the Democrats using a discharge petition. But Cantor made sure that could not happen. Needless suffering. Why on earth would anyone want to cut that SNAKE any slack.

      • 130 sherijr
        October 15, 2013 at 9:04 pm

        I heard John McCain say basically the same crap on the radio today… regarding the latest ‘offer’ by House repubs.. and how the White House “didn’t give this new deal a chance”. Its like what part of no damn deal do they not get. Reopen the damn govt, pay the effing bills and THEN POTUS will talk. So tired of the stupid dysfunction.

      • October 15, 2013 at 9:24 pm

        Yeah, Dudette, Republicans “giving a little” if Democrats screw up is the joke of the country. They would put a jackboot on the neck of every Democrat and press until they saw blood. They are vindictive, ugly and totally without common decency.

  31. 132 sherijr
    October 15, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    A couple of things about the default… and how media is reporting on this: I am concerned that people are not being truthfully informed as to how this came about- who the culprits are. Last week when my friend was furloughed she stated that the people she worked with knew it was the repubs who caused the shutdown- even her republican co-workers. When I told her they ought to never vote republican again- she stated that even though they were mad at the House repubs- they would never vote for Democrats- these people work for the govt. Second thing: Today I came home from the store and my two neighbor ladies were out- they stay inside a lot so I only see them every couple of weeks.. they KNOW I love & respect President Obama.. and yet one of them (they’re twins in their 60s-70s) stated: “Oh That President” in regards to the shutdown. So I let loose in the nicest way possible because I actually like these little ladies.. informed them just who was at fault.. and what it would mean if these nasty characters defaulted on paying our bills on Oct 17th.. I then proceeded to tell them about the Natzi/Confederates/KKK at the Whitehouse w/ the same dumb ass republican who caused this mess.. I swear I called them every name I could say in front of these ladies.. one of them acutally joined in and called them “assholes”. Then she brought up the poor ‘vets’. I reminded her I am a vet, and that closing down memorials is the least of the bs the republicans are doing to vets.. and once again don’t be fooled because republicans only care about vets when they can use us for something. My point here is this: These ladies are being lied to- by the media, no doubt Fox news.. and once again POTUS is being lied about. How in the hell do we get folks to believe the facts and the truth?? How do we get them to stop voting for the likes of Cruz and Palin ?? I’m at a loss.

    I live in my bubble- the people I associate with primarily are like-minded, I don’t watch tv, because I literally cannot stomach the crap the ‘news’ people spew. But I’m honestly dumb-founded that anyone thinks this is President Obama’s doing… and I’m seriously concerned that we have an up hill battle getting folks to truly see the light.. no matter what these republicans do- they just continue to get away with it.

    • 133 99ts
      October 15, 2013 at 9:15 pm

      The media is as much to blame for this as are the GOP – How those who only listen to RW talk will ever know this? Everyone can but try – as you have just done with your neighbors.

      • 134 sherijr
        October 15, 2013 at 9:19 pm

        Its so frustrating.. and yet when we have the likes of Ted Cruz who stands in Congress pushing for a shutdown, then uses vets to protest the shutdown he caused.. is it any wonder so many people are fooled and confused. I find it very sad.

        • 135 99ts
          October 15, 2013 at 9:32 pm

          There is some serious hate directed towards the President – mainly by older, whiter, men. He withstands them all – the support he gets from people like you definitely makes a difference.

          • 136 sherijr
            October 15, 2013 at 9:41 pm

            I know the hate REALLY gets to me.. He has my forever respect, because I honestly want to smack the sh*t outta people. I don’t know how he’s able to converse with Boehner or Cantor or Cruz or any of these bigoted sobs- I admire him tremendously for this ability- to keep his humanity when all others are so lacking in theirs.

    • October 15, 2013 at 9:22 pm

      I agree Sher, I have no answer, but I’m with you.

    • October 15, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      Sheri, jr, we do what you did, one person at a time. In the next year, we will be canvassing,calling and talking to millions of voters as we work for Democratic candidates. One by one, we tell the truth. Then we recruit more people to tell the truth. We never let up.

      • 141 sherijr
        October 15, 2013 at 9:38 pm

        I agree, we never let up. We have got to keep speaking up, we can’t let the lies goes unanswered. Thanks Jackie:)

    • 142 Obama Grandmama
      October 15, 2013 at 10:02 pm

      I feel as you do and witness this belief in the GOP by family and groups I interact in. My thoughts are this has been slowly building over time and purposely by those trying to rig the government to profit from it. The wealthy have the money to influence the politicians to vote to benefit them. They have bought the media to control the message. They are good at shaping the message to play into the fears and prejudices of Americans. They then can dominate the state legislations making rules to make it harder for their opposition to register to vote or vote. Not only all of those things,but also they get judges in prime positions to help legitimize the legislators laws. Voila! That pretty much is where we are now. PBO’s race has made it easier for the GOP to activate their racist base, but I still believe they would be using something else to get there if there was another Dem president. My prayers, and hopes are that this is not the end of our present standing in the world. I do hope that this is enough of a dangerous act to have woken up and convinced many people of the traitorous intent of the GOP party.

      • 143 sherijr
        October 15, 2013 at 10:22 pm

        you’re right; it has been multi-pronged and long in the making. I believe the media has not only been bought and paid for but also with ‘true believers’ put in place to keep the message geared for the republicans. As to waking people up, I hope so.. at least the majority. We will have to keep reminding them, I think, of all that they’ve done to hurt us, the country.

  32. 144 99ts
    October 15, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    My goodness – Ezra Klein standing up for PBO – The GOP has really screwed itself.

    No Rachel?

  33. October 15, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Ok bt’s, I have a new post ready to go. I’ll be afk for 30 minutes, so post if you so wish.

  34. October 15, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    I’ve read that the reason GOP wants to extend CR to Dec. 15 is to give another try at defunding or delaying ObamaCare before it kicks in on Jan 1. There will be millions of people who have insurance by then and they will want to take it away. Before Christmas even!

    In the meantime there are elections going on. Virginia Governor, election date 11/5/13 Dem Terry McAuliffe vs Creepy GOPer Cuccinilli. Help in any way you feel motivated. A big win will do wonders to give GOPers pause to consider what a mistake they are making. http://terrymcauliffe.com/ and twitter https://twitter.com/Terry4Gov

    • 148 pickle48
      October 15, 2013 at 9:16 pm

      Considering the Republicans we’re dealing with, that makes sense. Wonder who they got that idea from (they seem incapable of coming up with their own). De Mint? Koch brothers?

  35. October 15, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    GOP has no idea what they are doing.

    Tpartiers self-destruct, and try to take the country with them (see Sabato’s comment above).

    And get this. GOP establishment whines:

  36. October 15, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    New post in a minute or three-ish

  37. October 15, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Gawd, I’m just torturing myself thinking about what our country would be like if only we held all three branches of government. OMG.

  38. 153 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 9:04 pm

  39. 154 forus50
    October 15, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    I am soooo glad that Boehner’s last minute treachery was defeated. He deserves no less. Sitting on his ASS for weeks crying “the Senate must act, the Senate must act!” and then WHEN THEY DO (doing his job for them) he tries to pull a fast one and come up with his own bullshit bill. If it had passed then it would have been a nightmare of the Senate having to vote it down and reorganize.

    So as much as this was a wasted day at least the Boehner Shitty Bill never got a vote AND it shows he can’t (ONCE AGAIN) get a majority vote with his majority position. That fucker better put the Senate bill on the floor before he takes a swig of his first morning martini.

  40. 156 Dudette
    October 15, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    O/T but I’m glad to see this…

  41. October 15, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    No, House Republicans Can’t Just Skip Town And Stick Obama With A Ransom Note

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/10/15/2784131/house-republicans-just-skip-town-stick-obama-ransom-note/

    Tuesday morning, the National Review’s Ramesh Ponnuru reported that House Republicans “may pass” their proposal to end the shutdown, prevent default and exact certain concessions from Democrats, “and then skip town.” The implicit threat being that President Obama and the Senate could either take what the House Republican caucus is offering, or they can watch the American economy tumble into the chaos of a debt default….

    ….The Constitution gives President Obama a way to reconvene Congress, and the House rules enable Leader Nancy Pelosi’s caucus to bring Republicans back to the Capitol to do their job…..


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