It’s been a while, and with the insanity going on, it’s time for some music.
A few have asked for a Simon & Garfunkel music chat. And there is nothing better than S&G in Central Park.
Bridge Over Troubled Water
Sound of Silence
April Come She Will
Yes, I’m old enough to remember watching this on HBO.
Chat away into the night.
I’m usually so late the bt’s have moved on to another post.
.@GOPLeader You have proven yourself to be that snake on the Tea Party flag. Your coup d'etat will not stand. #EndThisNow— Judith Fardig (@FardigJudith) October 16, 2013
Wow, none of that ‘ish’ stuff for you! When you say a new thread is coming, the new thread is COMING! Bravo!
Love me some Artie and Paul.
Gotta roll out for a bit. See ya later!
A bridge too far for some . Love Paul Simon
Did you know the “Sounds of Silence” was written after the Kennedy Assassination? Just a little trivia.
My usual rusty head is struggling again Carol, but which song did they write about the train journey home of either JFK or RKF’s coffin? Saw the documentary, that part was just too much.
I’ll look it up. It may be my rusty head.
Is this what you mean?
“There’s so much a president can do to inspire a nation—it’s hard to even remember that nowadays. JFK and RFK liberated an enormous energy in the country.
There is a video in YouTube that depicts a snapshot of the confusion and mayhem than reigned in the country during the sixties. The name of the video is “7 O’Clock News/Silent Night”. This song performed by Simon and Garfunkel was a bitter juxtaposition of jarring news headlines backed by the soothing strains of the Christmas carol. While a radio announcer briskly reports a grim barrage of news—Vietnam, civil rights battles, mass murders, celebrity drug overdoses—the duo sweetly sing that “all is calm, all is bright.”
Forgot the link:
I am a product of the sixties! As young person I loved and respected the Kennedy’s. But I also think have been trying to re-write history as bout the Kennedy’s. Personally, I doubt that JFK and RFK, and even for that matter MLK, would remembered so fondly if their lives had not been prematurely cut short. Let’s focus on jPresident Kennedy. To begin with, JFK was elected with one of the slimmest margins in history. Second, because of his fear of offending Dixiecrats, he was in his third year before he finally introduced the Civil Rights Bill, which later was enacted, following his assassination, as the 1964 Civil Rights Act. While most historians give LBJ all the credit for the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, I personally think that this law, initiated by JFK, would not have been passed had it not been for JFK’s assassination. Third, because of the massive non-violent Civil Rights Protests to end Segregation in the South, and the violent response by white segregationists, JFK didn’t always respond forcefully because he feared loosing Southern support. A good example was JFK’s cautious response to the so called “Mississippi Insurrection” sparked by James Meredith’s insistence on attending the University of Mississippi. While JFK was gaining some respect in the Black community, he was increasingly reviled by Southern whites. I personally doubt that he would had an easy re-election in 1964.
I am glad we have the Kennedy myth, which, like the Lincoln and the FDR myths, still inspire so many people. At the same time, It’s important that we should always avoid mythologizing about past leaders.
Look I loved RFK! But RFK was not guaranteed winning the nomination in 1968. Sen. Eugene McCarthy, who was the icon of the anti war movement, defeated him in Oregon. Most of my fellow College Students were for McCathy because they blamed JFK for being implicated in starting the Vietnam war. On top of that, the vast majority of establishment Democrats supported Hubert Humphrey, who by the way had a much more impressive record on Civil Rights than the Kennedys. As mush as admired and respected RFK, I am not so sure that the increasingly conservative country would have elected him over Richard Nixon in 1968.
I agree with your assessment. I do think that the violence of the sixties shocked the US at the time and made it possible to buy into the conservative meme that the country needed to turn back to its conservative roots.
This is all I could find from Wikipedia. Don’t know if it’s what you meant because they might have been cut out.
“In 1969, the duo was invited to perform on The Bell Telephone Hour, but could not due to scheduling issues. Sponsor American Telephone & Telegraph (AT&T) proposed an one-hour US$600,000 show, and Life commentator and documentary producer Robert Drew developed the concept. One week before their appearance, the duo produced, with the help of actor Charles Grodin, the TV special Songs of America, which was intended to be played during their performance on November 30, 1969. Songs of America is a mixture of scenes featuring notable political events and leaders concerning the USA, such as the Vietnam War, Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy’s funeral procession, Cesar Chavez and the Poor People’s March. In addition, the film shows American heroic figures such as the Lone Ranger, Dick Clark, baseball player Mickey Mantle, comedian Lenny Bruce and politician Eugene McCarthy. After many disputes due to controversial scenes between the various parties involved, the film was disowned by the sponsor. Simon and Garfunkel were furious about this decision and they both returned to CBS studios to talk with the censors. One of the censors was of the opinion that the director had used the sponsor’s money to promote his humanistic ideology. After Grodin asked “You mean there are people who are against the humanistic approach in America?”, the representative answered “You’re goddam right there are – the southern affiliates of AT&T are not going to appreciate seeing black and white kids going to school together”. While the new backer, shampoo manufacturer Alberto Culver, agreed to fund the broadcast for $55,000, AT & T replaced the duo with the rock bands The Yellow Payges, Jefferson Airplane and the New York Rock & Roll Ensemble.“
Some things change – but so many stay the same. Wonder how those southern affiliates appreciated a black President.
Not well, I don’t think. . .
You be a night owl CarolMae – I just had a lovely few hours with the grandbabe – she babbles and screams and hugs and kisses – and runs and into every last thing – and I’m exhausted!
The world needs more grandbabes and less republicans
Glad you had a great day with grand babes. Just what the world needs now! No, I had to get up early and be off to appointments. Just taking a minute to see what’s going on with the idjits!
Those southerners and others better change with the times. They are in a ditch!
S&G great duo.
Lovely selection LL
If anyone tells you that the youth of today are lost, no good, pants saggin’, no respect havin’ , no account kids, DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT!!!
This is the best story of our young people that I have seen in a long time!!
Students with Down syndrome crowned homecoming queen, king – West Orange High School
Tears of joy – amazing Principal, amazing students
Beautiful music LL, thanks!
Oh LL, just *loving* playing through these songs, gorgeous. Thank you kind sir!
As far as I’m concerned, “America” IS the theme for all of us Obots.
I couldn’t argue with that!
Maybe my most loved one, though:
I think mine is a tie between “Sounds of Silence” and “Bridge ver Troubled Water” I’m older.
I LOVE me some S&G!
It’s been a favorite since my parents plaid it for me as a child. I’ve always listened to them and I play their stuff for my children now.
The great thing about being 12 and 10 years younger than your older siblings is that they clue you in to great music. I had it coming from them and from my peers.
My brother is only 3 years older than me, but he hastened my maturity as a music listener for sure. One summer, when I was about 10, I went off to summer camp with all of my cassette tapes and accidentally took one of his blank tapes onto which he had recorded Zeppelin IV. It was all my friend Aaron and I listened to all summer. We just kept flipping the tape.
hmmm…my older sister was in loooove with pat boone, and she played ‘kookie, kookie, lend me your comb’ over and over. so you were lucky, lib.
Yes, my house was a beacon for the best music of the 70s and 80s. And I discovered classical music on my own.
Ain’t that the truth!
In the negotiations about medical devices, can someone do something about those damn catheter commercials?— Harold Itzkowitz (@HaroldItz) October 16, 2013
George Harrison and Paul Simon
Question-in checking many lists of positives of ACA I had thought preconditions were not allowed as a reason to rule someone out of healthcare, but I only saw that it was in effect for children. Anyone know if it is everyone or just children? Are there other benefits to come as I thought all but the mandate were in place.
Jan 2014 ALL the preexisting condition rules go into effect. For EVERYONE
the end of pre-existing condition for children already kicked in ( some time before the 2012 election – may be a year or so);
the end of the pre-existing condition for everyone else starts Jan/1/2014 and that is why the individual mandate goes in effect too;
the mandate for businesses is delayed for just 1 year
We must keep this in mind!
However long the night, the dawn will break. ~ African proverb— Kasai™ (@Kahsai) October 16, 2013
Just in time!
Oh, those much maligned, but very wise, Africans! This reminded me of what Dr. King, a devout Christian was fond of saying to inspire his fellow Christians: “the Good Friday comes before Easter.”
Beautiful. All of it!
I don’t know how to post a video, but if anyone else who does watches this and thinks it is worthy, I’d appreciate you posting it for me. These are students in VA performing in NYC. Jayna Brown singing.
Thanks, desertflower! It takes them a few seconds to get going, but worth the listen, I think!
My pleasure, Lana:)
Yes, it was worth the listen; thanks for sharing, Lana.
My pleasure VC!
Turns out, Obama's kinda good at negotiating.— Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser) October 16, 2013
Fixed. “@imillhiser: Turns out, Obama's kinda good at *not* negotiating.”— (@YeaYouRite) October 16, 2013
If you don't want your rights as a woman be taken away don't vote @gop @teaparty— Julia (@jbaeten55) October 16, 2013
I wish this tweet was worded positively. I confess that the first part of it that caught my eye was ‘don’t vote’. I’m all for stating things positively when giving ‘advice’, especially if space allows (or to motivate). What do you think?
@jbaeten55: In fact, if you want your rights to be acknowledged & a government that respects you #VoteDemocrats2014! http://t.co/GG7hsKYSuP— Vick C. (@sonamie) October 16, 2013
Night all…tomorrow is another day. Took the day off tomorrow to get some things done. When you work 7 days/week not much time for the mundane, like getting the oil changed in the car:) Sleep tight world.
G’Night and sweet dreams!, Df (probably already snoring).
Not sure if anyone posted this. I hope the GOP did.
Infantile posturing by House extremists is causing allies to doubt our commitments abroad, damaging global stability and our foreign policy— Zbigniew Brzezinski (@zbig) October 14, 2013
Hello night owl! Nice to see you, though I’m heading off to bed myself.
You’re up VERY late! I have given up all hope of catching up with posts this week, so I feel fairly clueless… Hope you’re well!
I am as fine as sixpence! Or is it supposed to be five pence?
I was here all day and still missed one complete post and segments of all the others. I simply gave up after a while and strolled through leisurely, arriving when I arrived. I do think I should sign off now, in case I get a call to work later on. Wouldn’t do to arrive all bleary-eyed.
Take care *you* don’t stay up too late!
Never heard of five pence… only the sixpence – so I think you’re a-ok.
like others before them (railroad magnates, rubber barons (aka robber barons), Joe McCarthy etc), the Koch brothers may have over-stepped their boundaries;
as they say: Pride Comes Before A Fall;
I will sit back and wait but I suspect the fall may come sooner for the Koch brothers than they think
My good nite contribution. Ciao bella.
Good Night my Chips and TOD family. These are lovely moments to end my day. Being here with my TOD family gives me more hope each and every day of my life which I am so grateful to be in this space.
The brilliant writing, the wonderful comments, the informative links to gain knowledge, and seeing our wonderful president smiling make us all proud to be a part of this great family here. Thank you so much, Chips. (((((((((((((( My grateful heart of thanksgiving, Chips))))))))))))))))).
May our TOD family members who are healing, keep your faith strong and know that you are thoughts of prayed for daily in my space. I have a wonderful feeling of gratitude for know that we elected President Barack H. Obama in 2008, and went back to the polls and re-elected him in 2012.
Now let us not be discourage in our well doing, but be faithful in our tasks to get people out to the polls in 2014 to give President Obama and VPBiden the House back and keep the Senate solid. We have much to help them to accomplish still. We Can Do This.
Good night TOD family. Be gentle on your spirits and gracious to those who come into your space by your invitations. ((((((Love you all)))))))HZ
Came back here to lock the door and let the cat out (Ha!) before going to sleep, HZ, and I loved your goodnight message to the O’troops. Especially loved this part, ” … gracious to those who come into your space by your invitations.” I can always do better at that! Goodnight to you.
Hugs HZ for an earlier post. I couldn’t get it to post for me.
I love you HZ!
LL, Hope you don’t mind Queen of Soul Aretha Franklin singing Bridge Over Troubled Water. I listened to it a lot during a period in my life.
Perfect – thanks for this!
Sweet sleep, TODville.
Congratulation, Ms. Dudette!
Thank you all for keeping me well-informed while I am praying, fasting and lurking.
The GOP have embarassed themselves so badly it is difficult to find words to express how I feel. The WH protest left me speechless.
I felt hurt, sad, angry and disgusted. But then I realized what a beautiful family we have residing there ……I smiled.
I am determined not to allow their hate define who we are and what we have accomplished.
I am humbled by the fact that the man we voted for twice can forgive those who marched in front of his residence while his family was inside. His wife and Dr. Biden have fought for them tirelessly the last five years for their rights as well as their families.
The fool MSM that encouraged and condoned their behavior now finds fault…….NOW?
We lost a lot of borrowed time that we can never regain in order to move this country forward. This country missed a valuable opportunity to show the world how true democracy could work.
Thank you, Mr. President for just being who you are.
We have the victory because we stand for the truth. I stand with our President who practice what he teaches.
Thank you LDS!
THIS! – > “I am humbled by the fact that the man we voted for twice can forgive those who marched in front of his residence while his family was inside.”
Our President stays focused on what is important. He knows who he is and why he’s here. He’s many steps ahead of his opponents. He doesn’t sweat the small, petty ignorance from the haters. He’s always moving forward. We should strive to follow his example.
The significance of 17 October 2013
#17Oct2013 the day #PBO crushed the #KochCoup & ensured the global economy that the USA will never default. cc @VP @SenatorReid @NancyPelosi— Bobfr (@Our4thEstate) October 16, 2013
@VP @vj44 4Nov2008 + 6Nov2012 = 17Oct2013 the Day #PBO defeated racist misogynistic plutocrats & thereby affirmed trustworthiness of America— Bobfr (@Our4thEstate) October 16, 2013
By this time tomorrow the entire world will be a very different place because of what our President will have done.
#FiredUP ….. #ReadyToGO
Something ‘Explosive’ seems only appropriate …..
We Will Prevail
And, We Will Celebrate our President’s victory, together, because a Majority of the MILLIONS of our fellow citizens are just as committed to the promise of America that we are!
… time for some rest ….
Thanks Bob! Good tweetage as always! Rest well!
Thank you Dudette.
Am resigned to the fact that the night of 16 Oct 2013 will be no different than the night of 3 Nov 2008 and 5 Nov 2012.
Those previous two nights I was awake all night pondering what kind of America would emerge if Barack Obama were elected & re-elected, respectively.
By the night of 5 Nov 2012 I was totally aware that if he were not re-elected, the ‘American Promise’ was DOA. I was also fully cognizant that if he did win – if the majority of Americans won – then it was inevitable that all the forces of racism, misogyny, and fascistic plutocracy would pursue a coup d’etat.
On this night, 16 Oct 2013, that coup d’etat is underway.
By tomorrow night we, and the entire world, will know if it has any chance of success.
For the sake of humanity, it better not.
that should be 15 Oct 2013 … …. but, the message remains the same …. sleepless in Seattle ….
Remember this? That woman knows she was wrong… just wrong! As wrong as wrong could be!
I’m still mad at her.
Our President was molested by a cougar!
I know, right? Curse her! Where the heck was Secret Service.?
Indeed! The things this President has had to endure…
The man’s a saint, I tell ya!
Despite how much we like, love this President, I like to see him shown respect.
And I don’t think grabbing his butt is right.
RT @ThisisntEasy: Remember all this crap in 2014! Then we will #ShutdownTheGOP #topprog #cspanchat http://t.co/mwPOflv3qS— Deltapa (@Delta_PA) October 16, 2013
I just love Bridge over troubled water – family memories – thanks LL for the reminder
Election Woot! We gained a seat in the House!!!! Oh yeh!
Dark-horse Democrat Amanda Murphy wins an upset victory in open Florida House race, beats well-funded GOPer: miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/…— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) October 16, 2013
How Americans view the #GOPshutdown…. http://t.co/Gzpewbsdan— Benny (@BRios82) October 16, 2013
Ireland to shut Apple $40bn tax loophole, but they will still continue to pay zero taxes. bbc.co.uk/news/business-…. Fucking forty billion???— (@amk4obama) October 16, 2013
Damn, do you know what we could be funding with 40-freakin-billion dollars?
"GOP’s biggest #Obamacare fear realized: Republicans sign up" bit.ly/18zMvuM
#ShutDownTheGOP #Economy #Jobs http://t.co/Xmjpu089mh— Paul Stewart (@PaulStewartII) October 16, 2013
"GOP’s biggest #Obamacare fear realized: Republicans sign up" bit.ly/18zMvuM
#ShutDownTheGOP #Economy #Jobs http://t.co/Xmjpu089mh— Paul Stewart (@PaulStewartII) October 16, 2013
Alright New Jersey, let’s get this thing DONE!
Step 1: Get out the vote for Cory Booker later today and send him to the Senate with a SLAM DUNK BLOWOUT!
Step 2: Dump Chris Christie and send Barbara Buono to the Governor’s Mansion.
WOW ! under #GOP Governor Christie's leadership, Poverty in N.J. reaches 52-year high, new report shows nj.com/politics/index… … #njgov #nj— justgratefuldead (@justgrateful) October 16, 2013
Devil from the deep blue sea.. no, not John Boehner..LOL.. cnet.co/19GNpVK #OarFish #Ogopogo #LochNessMonster http://t.co/j3aiOO8xhx— Paul Stewart (@PaulStewartII) October 16, 2013
If Tea Partiers really cared about deficits they'd love Obama–but they don't. http://t.co/llkhAiuX8Y— ProgressiveHelp PhD (@CallOut4) October 16, 2013
I wonder why? Hmm….
These #GOP reps voted 2 cut #FoodStamps 4 struggling #veteranss yet took millions in farm subsidies http://t.co/h1IpftgPbZ #emilyslist #dncp— Nancy Mitchell (@NancyWonderful) October 16, 2013
#Koch Brothers & #ALEC Target SeaTac $15 an Hour Minimum Wage Initiative bit.ly/195h6k4 #wiunion #twisters #labor #1u #topprog #ctl— America United (@Progress2day) October 16, 2013
SeaTac = Seattle/Tacoma, Washington metropolitan area
Your neck of the woods, Bobfr!
Yep. And, they will FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, you’re back!
Today I handed out ACA info to workers in a Dairy Queen and they said the Corp. had already given them info on it….Good for Dairy Queen.— (@dmcrane) October 16, 2013
Commentary: Though a default is unlikely, long-term trust in the US dollar has been damaged alj.am/19LwfUG— Al Jazeera America (@ajam) October 16, 2013
US House of Representatives Phone Numbers house.gov/representative… 1015— OutFOXedNEWS.com (@OutFOXedNEWS) October 16, 2013
Direct link, in case, you know, you wanna make some calls or something:
BREAKING: Ted Cruz to be keynote speaker at Al Qaeda's 'Bring America to Its Knees Festival" in Yemen this November #shutdown #debtceiling— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) October 15, 2013
MT @crazylary51 What the extremist Tea party is doing to our country is called SEDITION & it's against the law. http://t.co/letHNkuLAv"— K Kelly (@GrainOfSands) October 16, 2013
Pay attention! This is a BFD!
1/3 uninsured Americans are also unregistered to #vote. bit.ly/motorvoter. We can change that… http://t.co/ULhfWRfLqN— ACLU Action (@ACLU_Action) October 15, 2013
All #ACA enrollees will get #voter registration papers. Who will these 9 million #vote for in #2014? @Dudette9t9 @ACLU_Action— (@MikeHersh) October 16, 2013
" @dastarlord Psssst, Hey Republicans, Bet You Can't Answer This Question http://t.co/Sbe7IgRcQm— Dudette (@Dudette9t9) October 16, 2013
Can I get an “Amen”?
An educated voter is our worse nightmare #NewGOPslogans— SportsGirl101 (@Arianna8927) October 15, 2013
New study shows #austerity policies in have cost the US $700B and increased unemployment by 1.4% krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/the…— (@StrikeDebt) October 15, 2013
Way to go Cali!
California now the 7th state to bar employment discrimination against domestic violence victims, 43 to go thkpr.gs/19FEVhC— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 16, 2013
NC, on the other hand, is in deep kimchee
North Carolina becomes first state to cut welfare amid federal shutdown. mobilebeta.reuters.com/north-carolina…— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) October 16, 2013
Let’s get to work NC Dems!
$ ok 4 War but not HealthCare, Typical GOP Logic allhatnocattle.net/blog7/wp-conte… http://t.co/SAZrGYBTSP— JC Cook (@dastarlord) October 07, 2013
MT @ARTSYJUDITH Dedicated servicemen & women- Don't B fooled by GOP opportunists! They R NOT looking out4U! http://t.co/N0mXx13iIe— Dudette (@Dudette9t9) October 16, 2013
Thoughts and prayers for Japan
► Fukushima Braces For Strong Typhoon As Typhoon Claims 7 Lives
#onewayjp #fukushima http://t.co/RUmuWRSPph— Japan News (@OneWayJP) October 16, 2013
#onewayjp #fukushima http://t.co/RUmuWRSPph— Japan News (@OneWayJP) October 16, 2013
Boy, did this guy hit the name on the head.
I’m so sick of people pointing to the monuments and parks as if those are the only things impacted by the shutdown.
The shutdown: 5 things worse than closing a park on.mktw.net/1aoqIEo— (@MarketWatch) October 16, 2013
Cold splash of water in our collective faces
Debt-ceiling breach would push economy into freefall, without a government safety net wapo.st/1gCS1kL via @washingtonpost— Jon Cohen (@JonUPS_) October 16, 2013
Hubble Space Telescope image of the face-on spiral galaxy Messier 101 #Nasa #Hubble http://t.co/hGPRjBjohK— The Universe (@TheUniverse1981) October 15, 2013
I was looking for some soothing ambient music and ran across this. Loved the comment beneath the video on YouTube.
Stellardrone ~ Pale Blue Dot
“Think on this. We live in an utterly amazing time. In the last century, we have unlocked the secrets of powered flight, split the atom, seen an information revolution, begun to explore the secrets of our own DNA and taken our first faltering steps towards the stars. We may not live to see where the road takes us, but I think we should take joy and hope in having seen mankind take those first steps. We are capable of terrible things, but also amazing things. Be Proud to be here, now.”
I’m proud to be here with you TOD Family. Goodnight!
some early riser will win the cheezy puff jackpot! congrats chips. your work here supporting the president has made a huge difference to so many of us (~20 mil). i know it’s made a difference for barack obama. and i know he is grateful. as are we all.
@morningmika saying that republican Governors r wonderful. Really? Pennsylvania, Florida and Virginia r definitely flipping mich &ohio mayb— Jovie (@Jovie46955305) October 16, 2013
The dimwits are still screaming about the debt – the debt has been reducing for the last 3 years – there is NO debt issue – when will someone stop the GOP spreading these lies
Paul Begala @PaulBegala 10 Oct
Begala’s Law: if you squandered Clinton’s surplus on W’s tax cuts, W’s war in Iraq & W’s p-drug bill, you have no right to talk about debt.
Here’s the inconvenient truth that the dimwits choose to ignore.
Reducing the Deficit
The media won’t read it – and they let the GOP pundits rant about debt – “We are doing this because of the debt!” I live in hope that someone will eventually call them out.
When Boehner finally digs himself all the way to China…they will be waiting with an Invoice for shovel he used……..
I can’t help but remember the constant refrain from President Obama as he was campaigning during the 2010 midterms. He told the American people not to give the keys back to the Republicans because they didn’t know how to drive. Truer words were never spoken. What has happened since then with the constant brinksmanship and especially in the last month with the CR/CL criss is a stone cold confirmation of PBO’s warning. This has been a complete and utter disaster for the Republican Party and the country. The damage they have caused is mind boggling. What the GOP has put the country through is criminal. A manufactured crisis that is nothing but dereliction of duty. Their oath of office has been rendered meaningless. They are unfit to govern. I just feel like they should all be arrested before they can do any more harm.
2010 broke my heart…..
Tens of thousands showed up at the rallies and then did not bother to vote……
It breaks my heart too. I worked hard on that campaign. We will be paying the price for that loss for a long time. There was hope after the election of 2012 that the fever would break with the GOP nonsense. But we should have never expected that because they are sociopaths who think they should get their way all the time. They got cocky and overplayed their hand big time. And President Obama and the American people are fed up with the obstruction, sabotage and hostage taking. We have to throw the bums out in 2014. If this latest brinksmanship isn’t enough to have the American people making skid marks to the polls I don’t know what will.
Early bird chat!
This haunting picture says it all.. just look at the pain in those faces.
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