@mitchellreports your fellow #NEWSTAINERS share 1 trait with #PBO – consistency: You consistently HATE him; he LEADS. youtube.com/watch?feature=…— Bobfr (@Our4thEstate) November 24, 2013
LP – especially like the 5th one!!!
Congrats on first, Bobfr. The 5th one hits the spot huh? LOL……. BTW TY UT, for posting my thread…. I was sulking in the beat down my Colts just took :( One hour till BCS standing come out though!
Well, let’s hope you get good news in an ~ hour, LP!!! Yep, that toon spikes it, for sure!!!
Congrats on first Bobfr. It’s toon time.
Thank you Anna – am so grateful to forus for sharing the video in that tweet. Hope everyone who hasn’t seen it before watches it in its entirety. Nothing accidental or ‘lucky’ about what President Obama has done. What is stunning is how comprehensive his understanding of foreign affairs already was in 2007. An “Obama Doctrine” is unfolding, real time, and we are all privileged to be witnessing it.
Way to go through the door, sir, and thanks for re-posting this vintage PBO that I missed when FORUS shared it previously!
Well, VC, didn’t see you so I thought I’d saunter in and share that stunningly profound video that forus provided :)
Thoughtful and wise decision, sir! Very Obama-like.
In the long term, I have no idea whether this deal will work. But in the short term, it will function pretty well as a psychological test for politicians and pundits who comment on it. A negotiated deal always has a better chance of success than a military strike simply because a successful negotiated deal will have cooperation of people on the ground whereas a successful military strike will not.
Anyone who object to the fact that a deal was reached (as opposed to citing particular detail they object to), isn’t really interested in stopping the nuclear program. They just want to kill some Persians. Violent military action is not a means to an end, but an end in itself.
President Obama arrives in Seattle. http://t.co/PqcpPfMWbx— meta (@metaquest) November 25, 2013
Peace Be Still.
He has arrived to a glorious evening here in Seattle :)
Is it? My husband was going to drive to Mt Rainier today…
It’s been a gorgeous day, df. Amazing sunrise and sunset :)
I remember those glorious days…:) Hope he got some good pictures! Hope he didn’t run into traffic from PBO on the way back to the hotel :)
I can imagine the traffic from Sea-Tac into downtown and am so glad I didn’t have to be on the road this evening!!! Let’s hope for the best for your husband, df!!
Thanks…just got off the phone with him and forgot to ask, but he didn’t mention anything, so I guess he was fine.
You are very fortunate, Bob. It’s bitter cold in my portion of PA, the coldest day so far and very windy. Going outside to do anything is punishing. The wind burns your cheeks and penetrates the warmest coat. Wishing for some relief in the days ahead, but it looks like the icy blasts will continue for a while.
OUCH!! Have lived in that type of winter weather in the past, Jackie, and you have my empathy, for sure!!
Any agreement with Iran was going to have to allow the Iranian government to argue that they’d gotten a good deal. Likewise, any agreement was going to be opposed by Israel and Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia’s satellites in the Gulf region. Any agreement with Iran was also destined to be opposed by President John McCain, Vice-President Sarah Palin, and Secretary of State Lindsey Graham. All of that was baked in the cake, and none of it has even a little bit to do with the details of the agreement.
There has been enormous pressure on the administration to join in a regional sectarian fight on the side of the Sunnis against the Shiites, most pressingly in Syria’s civil war, but the administration has wriggled out of that trap and has so far allowed diplomacy to prevail against the desires of the warmongers. Those who preferred Obama to Clinton because of the distinction in their positions on the authorization to use military force in Iraq now have something concrete to point to, to argue that electing Obama would lead to a more peaceful world than would electing Clinton.
That hasn’t changed. I recently saw a photo of then Sen. Obama speaking to a crowd that filled the streets as far as the eye could see. People didn’t want Sen. Clinton, they were aching for a different kind of leadership. It was the MSN putting her ahead, not the people. After a Bush, a Clinton and another Bush, we did not want Clinton.
Not only that, but she was more of a hawk….people are sick to death of war. Even more so now.
Yes, I was against her from the start because of her vote in Iraq. She knew better. If I knew it she should have known it.
She had much more experience & knowledge than any of us to make a decision on Iraq CarolMae – and yet she still made the wrong decision.
She did it for pure political reasons. There were so many clues as to why it was wrong to vote for war. We’ve lost all three of our passionate, well-spoken Senators against it. Kennedy, Byrd and Paul Wellstone. There were others, but those three speeches I’ll never forget. I also am disgusted by the idiocy of some of the American people. About 90% believed Iraq was behind 9/11 and the MSN didn’t try to tell them the truth. In fact the cable channels had their variations on the March to War graphics like it was inevitable. You want to know a secret? My husband and I tried to tell people the facts, but nobody listened. As I watched it unfold, I just broke down. I just knew it was a big hoax. Pres. Obama has had to clean up so much with no cooperation. I don’t get it, I just get it. :’( After Osama got away I knew that was rigged too. Bush lost interest in him. SMH. . .
THE PEACE MAKER.
Obama: We should bomb Assad for using WMDs.
Obama: We should negotiate with Iran to prevent WMDs
Congress: Appeaser!— Zedd Rebel (@ZeddRebel) November 25, 2013
It is truly horrific that they base all decisions on being against the President/administration. Can’t remember a time when this happened ALL the time.
Iran, a booming economic nation of 70 million young savvy consumers about to become a future buyer of US manufactured goods. Impeach!!!!— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) November 25, 2013
Congrats Bobfr! LP has some great toons. He’s also got great photos at his own blog, and Smartypants is very brave with last post! ;)
Time to change into a number!
Congrats Bobfr!! Thanks LP!!
Urge all of you to read this …
Greenwalds Interpretation of BOUNDLESSINFORMANT NSA Documents Is Wrong – November 24, 2013
For those of us wh… tmblr.co/ZC3D0x-L0sEX— Matthew Aid (@matthewaid) November 24, 2013
Thanks Bob – GG is causing much grief in my world (not that our current PM doesn’t deserve some grief – but preferably not GG generated) – as he is in most democratic countries. Interesting who he chooses to attack.
Bringing this moving video over from last thread, thanks to Alycee!!
Homeless Man Joins Carlos Whittaker for a Very Moving Performance: youtu.be/tjjNu1nj0lc via @youtube— Alycee (@jazziz2) November 24, 2013
Thank you, Africa!
Thank you for posting this uplifting and soulful message, Alycee.
PBO has a way of getting his counterparts around the world to agree on eliminating Weapons of Mass Destruction. Change you can believe in.— KSK(africa) (@lawalazu) November 25, 2013
It sure is, africa!!!! Great tweet :)
“On Snowden and Coincidences
I regularly get asked, often by soi disant journalists online, if I have “evidence” that Edward Snowden is under Kremlin control. To me – or to anyone familiar with counterintelligence or Russia, or both – that question is a sign of something resembling stupidity. Let’s be honest: if you don’t think that Ed’s under the control of Russian security services after he’s spent five months in Putin’s republic, you’re pretty clueless about how that place works, perhaps willfully. That’s five months during which media have never – not once – been allowed near Ed without a significant junket of bulky-looking guys around him. I’ve been saying from the moment Snowden landed at Moscow that Russian intelligence is part of the picture, and that clearly bothers some people a great deal.
really valuable insights – http://20committee.com/2013/11/23/on-snowden-and-coincidences/
I enjoy his writing too Bobfr.
He knows his stuff, Carol. Sometimes a bit over the top in his assessment of decline in current US foreign stature but otherwise lots of insights worth the time to read and ponder.
I like it when he talks history. We’re even having an on going conversation. :)
” if you don’t think that Ed’s under the control of Russian security services after he’s spent five months in Putin’s republic, you’re pretty clueless about how that place works, perhaps willfully.”
About all there is to say – No sovereign country wants Ed loose in their land! – certainly not Putin’s land.
LEST WE FORGET: PBO was called naïve 4 talking abt his foreign policy ideas. 2day, those ideas come alive&suddenly naivety more like wisdom!— KSK(africa) (@lawalazu) November 25, 2013
Don’t forget this filibuster toon (for some reason “mean donkey” cracks me up):
Mean donkey! http://t.co/Zzbom7EbtU— Madame Crab (@madamecrab) November 22, 2013
Both sides of street lined with people waiting for President's arrival at North Seattle home. #ObamaSea http://t.co/2l57oKCusq— Adam Mertz (@AJMertz) November 25, 2013
#ObamaSea, I like that! :-P
Love #ObamaSea too :)
Great roundup, LP!
My parents lost their youth 2 war & their middle age 2 #sanctions & threats of war. I want 2 c them age in a place where peace is possible.— Sidewalk Lyrics (@pedestrian) November 24, 2013
Forus, thanks for this. It lays it all out–very touching and truthful tweet. People in Iran want a life without fear and with hope for their future, which makes them no different from us or from any other people on this planet.
Nice shot of the sunset reflecting off Obama's limousine after his arrival in #Seattle: http://t.co/Qw6S0tcKzo— KOMO News (@komonews) November 25, 2013
BREAKING: GOP is broken.— KSK(africa) (@lawalazu) November 25, 2013
The US & #iran SHOOK hands – a yr ago, we thought we might be trading bullets & death. 2 every person out there rooting 4 peace, Congrats!— Sidewalk Lyrics (@pedestrian) November 24, 2013
wimmin are mean.
Men…can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em http://t.co/hK0XEz5hVk— RC deWinter (@RCdeWinter) November 25, 2013
"Its been so hard" my mother's voice breaks down as we talk. "the past 8 years r a dark dream & we r slowly but surely waking up" #iran— Sidewalk Lyrics (@pedestrian) November 24, 2013
I know we all are Pete Souza fans……. National Geographic’s photo contest submission deadline is Nov. 30. There have been 3000+ submissions so far. If you have friends or family in photography, there is a link provided to submit photos for the contest. Winner will be on a Cover in the beginning of next year. Here are some 50 different selections I picked:
Second from left. "@outofedenwalk: Tough choice! 4 fab #Edenwalk covers http://t.co/PcABcmu0jz”— (@petesouza) November 14, 2013
@NatGeo Photo Contest 2013 Part 1 wp.me/p2YZ8A-tz a collection of entires. via @DaRiverZkind http://t.co/LIaDHCmc9f— The Lovely Plains (@DaRiverZkind) November 25, 2013
@NatGeo Photo Contest 2013 Part 2 wp.me/p2YZ8A-tZ A collection of entries: Via @DaRiverZkind http://t.co/A2Tzt1eXgB— The Lovely Plains (@DaRiverZkind) November 25, 2013
I used to get lost in NGs when I was a little girl. Such beautiful pics.
One of the only magazines I still subscribe to, PoliticalJunkessa. I have been itching to get into photography for a while………so I do it vicariously through other peoples beautiful photos :)
In order 4 critics of the Iran Deal prove their point they have 2 be misleading and make u believe that it's the FINAL agreement.Look 4 this— SportsGirl101 (@Arianna8927) November 25, 2013
Several folk whom I respect have noted that value in having ‘hardliners’ in Iran, Israel, the US etc all upset at the deal and the process as that will keep it balanced for the folk actually committed to peace to get the final deal negotiated successfully.
In that context, having US Senators wanting to expand sanctions may actually be helpful.
Fact is, PBO isn’t going to sign any legislation actually effecting such sanctions – unless Iran fails to comply.
Am noting this because it might be wise, when pushing back at someone like Senator Schumer, to keep in mind he’s a strong supporter of the President and may be being helpful – the Iranians seeing even someone in the President’s party raising the sanctions issue fits the paradigm described above regarding a balance of hardliners across the board all being vocally, visibly upset.
Just a thought …
What’s further interesting is that DiFi, a strong supporter of Israel as is Schumer, is for the deal. And, the fact remains that this is an interim deal, not a treaty. Congress can fulminate all it wants, but PBO doesn’t need it to provide the sanctions relief which is part of the deal. He will do it based on his executive authority.
Yep. I did smile when Senator Feinstein expressed her rigorous support.
There is nothing so lame as putting on a shirt that says you're cool. Seriously, wingers… http://t.co/J5tjjQi7Vn— Joy Reid (@TheReidReport) July 31, 2013
HA! Looks like they’re trying to convince themselves:)
ohgod! ,,, so much wrong with this- not the least of which is its perfect oxy-moronicness. (newword!) Circular reasoners could dine out well on this foolishness. please proceed… : )
George Orwell: "Either we all live in a decent world, or nobody does." georgeorwellnovels.com— Charles (@orwellguy) November 25, 2013
Oh, ruiney. /smh
The naivety of .@chrislhayes: Everyone standing with Rand Paul on Drones. Everyone = Chris and his privileged friends. Go figure.— KSK(africa) (@lawalazu) November 25, 2013
More on Iran:
From previous thread.
@pedestrian @lrozen wonder what happened in the 8ys that we went from the Axis of Evil to a 5% enrichment prg.— Ali Dalili (@dalili_ali) November 24, 2013
but, in short, what happened is Obama & Rouhani“@dalili_ali: @pedestrian @lrozen— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) November 24, 2013
Thaw in U.S.-Iran ties after 1/3 of a century also likely to lower oil prices; Brent currently $111, West Texas $95— West Wing Reports (@WestWingReport) November 24, 2013
Guess WWR was on the money.
Oil Is Tumbling on Iran deal. Great news for consumers heading into holiday shopping season = more $$$ to spend buff.ly/1duxy2Q— Chris Wang (@Chris_Wang888) November 25, 2013
For those who were too young (or not born) in 1979, the Iranian hostage crisis caused the second gasoline crisis in the US. It wasn’t as severe as the OPEC-induced shortage in 1973-74 (when I traveled mostly by bike, and relied on gas stations to get air in my tires — any gas stations were not reliably open then).
Also important to remember is that the nightly news covered the hostage situation just about every night; kind of like they did the Vietnam war, so Americans were constantly reminded of our humiliation and concern for the hostages’ safety.
Filled up my truck with gas today and paid $2.99 at Costco.
I paid about $2.70 the last time I got gas..with Fry’s discount. Notice you hear zip about gas prices anymore since they’re down….funny that.
Teabagging Wisconsin Birther Arrested for Threatening to Kill President Obama | Americans Against the Tea Party aattp.org/teabagging-wis…— ProudLiberal (@EdieVP) November 25, 2013
81 years old! No fool like an old fool. :roll:
Sebastian Vettel finishes 2013 in style by winning record ninth consecutive race in Brazil. Much better driver than schumacher.
And while we’re in a Seattle-frame-of-mind, reposting this from the last thread.
Nena asked someone to tweet this to the President’s communications team:
@presssec @simas44 @lehrich44 @pfeiffer44 "Debunking Obamacare sob story."
seattletimes.com/html/localnews… http://t.co/h4H2bmeJmB— Arapaho415 (@arapaho415) November 24, 2013
Good that you did so, Arapaho!!
But, but, why won’t Obama lead?
Reuters: "the final language was personally approved by Obama in Washington" reuters.com/article/2013/1…— Blake Hounshell (@blakehounshell) November 25, 2013
Or allow someone other than Pete Souza to photograph him, ad nauseum.
Did I see this here? I’ve been reading your comments and going all over the web. My ex-husband is a high-level consultant who works on government and business programs in trouble. He said EVERY program can be fixed. There’s no question about it.
Mark Zuckerberg Smacks Down the Media Myth That The Website Rollout Has Doomed the ACA
….ZUCKERBERG: You know, sometimes stuff doesn’t work when you want it to. We’ve certainly had plenty of mistakes and things that haven’t worked the way that we want to. The right thing here is just to keep on focusing on building the service that you think is right in the long-term…..
A right-wing extremist has been elected regional governor of Banska Bystrica in central Slovakia.
Marian Kotleba won 55.5% of the vote in the run-off against Vladimir Manka from the Smer-Social Democrat party.
Mr Kotleba is a former leader of a banned far-right organisation who now leads the ultra-nationalist Our Slovakia party.
He has previously organised marches against Slovakia’s Roma minority.
The now-banned neo-Nazi party which Mr Kotleba formerly led had expressed sympathy for the Nazi puppet state which ruled Slovakia during World War II.
The former teacher has called for Slovakia to withdraw from Nato, which his party brands a “terrorist” organisation.
Stupid voters are everywhere.
Very important, extensive analysis:
The Best Deal with Iran That We Can Get
One that Focuses on the Real Threat and Needs for Arms Control
By Anthony H. Cordesman
Nov 24, 2013
One needs to be very careful about the deal the P5+1 has reached with Iran. It is still not clear that the Supreme Leader will accept it or that Iran will put it into practice. It is a preliminary agreement that must be followed up by lasting Iranian compliance, acceptance by the U.S. and other nations, and must be maintained indefinitely into the future.
Masking the agreement work requires a delicate balancing act by the U.S. and other members of the P5+1. The P5+1 must make it clear to Iran that any failure to honor the agreement will lead to even more stringent sanctions and that the risk of preventive strikes, extended deterrence, missile developments and a massive military build up in the Gulf remains real, all the while showing Iran that a real opening to the U.S. and the world offers it security and significant new opportunities for economic development.
Arms control agreements fail all too often in the course of time if they do not lead to political agreements and improved relations. Time and new technologies can undermine even the best agreements, and the nuclear issue is only one issue that divides the Middle East. Iran’s tensions with Israel have already triggered an Israeli nuclear effort to deter and confront Iran with assured destruction. The Gulf states and many other Sunni Arab state see Iran as a critical threat because of its role in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain, and other Arab states and its growing asymmetric threat in the Gulf.
As first steps go, however, this the agreement the P5+1 reached in Geneva offers what is almost certainly the best possible agreement the U.S. and its allies could negotiate, it offers Iran a new path to progress and development, and it offers the region new hope that it can avoid new conflicts and the risk of a massive arms race.
….. much more at the link: http://csis.org/publication/best-deal-iran
Here is my contribution to this world changing event.
Hey all you w/ODS, that "HOPEY / CHANGEY" thing is working just great for us who believe in it!! "Blessed are the Peacemakers" #Genevatalks— Marilyn Oliver (@MTmarilyn2) November 25, 2013
Will this show up as a tweet?
RT’d and thank you Marilyn!!! Yes, it ‘shows up as a tweet’ :)
wonderful mtm! rt’d and faved :-)
Thank you all. I am still feeling my way on this twitter thing when it comes to my words. But this agreement is so earth shattering I can hardly contain myself.
Not sure how many of you are following @JFKElmStreet but it’s a very touching endeavor …
The nation watches Mrs. Kennedy and Caroline kneel and kiss the flag; Caroline, to get closer, reaches underneath http://t.co/a3pdcUw1ng— (@JFKElmStreet) November 24, 2013
Harry Truman looks down. The Joint Chiefs stand at attention, tears streaming down their faces. Mrs. Kennedy and Caroline walk away— (@JFKElmStreet) November 24, 2013
Your team's success today depends solely on the intensity with which you pray for their victory.— God (@TheTweetOfGod) November 24, 2013
My message for humanity is "Kiss My ass!" And Sunday is the day when you do.— God (@TheTweetOfGod) November 24, 2013
Capitalism is controlled by an "invisible hand" that gives most people the invisible finger.— God (@TheTweetOfGod) November 25, 2013
I do not know if this has been mentioned before, so please bear with me if it is repetition;
Like most of the stuff surrounding what really happened during the Iranian Nuclear Talks and the resulting first-step deal, we will only parts of what really happened;
From this report, it is stated that PBO himself approved the final content of the language of the agreement.
If the report is true, it serves to demonstrate that PBO took total personal ownership of the policy/decisions and thereby fully assumed the risks of the process/outcome;
Here is the full link to the report;
Special Report: ‘Great Satan’ meets ‘Axis of Evil’ and strikes a deal
BY LOUIS CHARBONNEAU, PARISA HAFEZI AND ARSHAD MOHAMMED
GENEVA Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:30pm EST
Based on reports of prior national security decision-making, what many have emphasized is how PBO takes full ownership of the entire risk-rewards potential – as should be (or as they say, the “buck stops with him”);
@blakehounshell @missb62 talk about PBO taking total ownership of the decision & thereby assuming all risks accompanying the process/outcome— Linda Kyambadde (@globalcitizenln) November 25, 2013
Some of the comments that accompanied this tweet were derisive or skeptical so I took a few minutes to respond as I saw fit;
@HoerterFutures @redsteeze @Lurayrom @blakehounshell hope any credit resulting success will b given 2 PBO as quickly as this reflexive blame— Linda Kyambadde (@globalcitizenln) November 25, 2013
Please take a few moments and read the article and then see if you have something to respond to the usual suspects (in the comments) who seem to want to trivial PBO’s role;
Better still, use the link as you see fit to promote whatever content stands out to you;
Signature achievement on forests at UN climate talks. bbc.co.uk/news/science-e…— (@amk4obama) November 25, 2013
Scared ? http://t.co/IH42K9s9WF— Life Hacks and Tips (@awfulpics) November 24, 2013
As it Should be http://t.co/aH1SYKavVw— Life Hacks and Tips (@awfulpics) November 23, 2013
I leave you with this.
A Violent Bunch http://t.co/qSsuDnTkCu— Life Hacks and Tips (@awfulpics) November 23, 2013
#POTUS Barack Obama just passed enroute to Medina fundraiser. #ObamaSea More pics @ seattlepi.com PHOTO: http://t.co/OFvOKydywY— Joshua Trujillo (@joshtrujillo) November 25, 2013
Amazing, really ….
@JeffersonObama "Gooooood Money Vietnam!" ;D— Paul W (@whatsamatta_u) November 25, 2013
aloha chips and tods
i’m so proud of president obama, and secretary kerry, and everyone involved in the historic and momentous accord that was just created in geneva. and i’m equally confident our president has many more extraordinary and game-changing successes ahead.
this piece in our local news might interest you, about the time when president kennedy came to hawaii. pbo would have been a very ltitle boy, but i like to think his mom took him to see the president. surely, she would not have missed it!
‘ When Kennedy left Waikiki he encountered a huge crowd. More than 100,000 people lined the streets. … “Was there anybody that stayed home? I think everybody on Oahu was there,” Paty said. ‘
Our local paper had an interesting article about the Secret Service agent who taught little John, John to salute. The agent lived in Great Falls and passed away in 2008. He was in charge of Caroline and John. Jackie asked him to watch John, John during the funeral and to keep him entertained he taught John to salute. I don’t remember reading about this before. It’s an interesting part of history.
Here is the link http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/jfk-funeral-montana-man-played-role-in-iconic-john-jr/article_204be756-549a-11e3-9b72-0019bb2963f4.html
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