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Early Bird Chat

 ‏@petesouza: Pres Obama watches TV news coverage about the death of Nelson Mandela

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Morning Early Birds.


155 Responses to “Early Bird Chat”


  1. 1 mtmarilyn
    December 6, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Good morning. All the tributes are so moving!

  2. 5 desertflower
    December 6, 2013 at 7:56 am

    Morning everyone….

  3. 10 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    December 6, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Good morning, TOD! Dashing out the door to the doctor’s office; will read you later. Have a Blessed day.

  4. 11 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Morning bt and toddy’s.

  5. 12 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Now get your asses tweetin’.

  6. 16 desertflower
    December 6, 2013 at 7:58 am

    “I cannot fully imagine my own life without the example that Nelson Mandela set. And so long as I live I will do what I can to learn from him.”

    – President Obama,

  7. 19 symmetry11
    December 6, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Morning all

  8. 20 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:00 am
  9. December 6, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Good morning Ms. Chips, Danny and TOD family. I hope everyone is doing well. Congrats mtmarilyn on being first this lovely Friday morning. That God that President Obama is still the President of The United States. TGIF

  10. December 6, 2013 at 8:01 am

    With this weather, I don’t know if to curse it-Wednesday the low is going to be 10 degrees, or sing “Let It Snow” several times over and over.

    Chips. I sent you an e-mail with a suggested blog post.

    Merry Christmas and remember: in this weather a lump of coal is a reward.

  11. 23 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:07 am
  12. 24 mtmarilyn
    December 6, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Another very busy day. Keep up the great work everyone. I’ll catch up later. You all are the best.

  13. 26 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:08 am
  14. December 6, 2013 at 8:09 am

    I joined the fight against apartheid the moment I learned of its existence. From punching holes in South African lobster tail packages in the local Safeway, to pointedly asking where a restaurant’s lobster tails were from and refusing to order them if told they were South African, to declining to buy my future wife a diamond engagement ring because they were mined by slave labor in South Africa, to being arrested in the first mass arrest at the South African Embassy protesting apartheid, among many small but cumulatively meaningful activities, I was privileged to be a part of the world wide struggle that ended in the freedom of Nelson Mandela, the end of apartheid in South Africa, and Madiba’s ascendancy to the Presidency of South Africa.

    Needless to say, I am mourning his passing. He was my hero among heroes. The world is poorer without him.

    • 28 jackiegrumbacher
      December 6, 2013 at 8:18 am

      Samcdc, you followed Mandella’s message and put yourself forward courageously. He would have been proud of your contribution. I only disagree with your last line. The world is actually richer because he was and his thoughts and accomplishments will be more widely celebrated and known. School children will be able to quote him in lands that value education. He has earned a well deserved rest and accomplished all he set out to do. As PBO said, he doesn’t belong to us anymore, he belongs to the ages.

  15. 29 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:14 am
  16. 30 dotster3
    December 6, 2013 at 8:19 am

    I cannot match everyone’s beautiful tributes to Nelson Mandela, but I echo them. My one little thought—-what President Obama said about him, that he “bent the moral arc of the universe toward justice” is exactly what President Obama is doing and how he will be remembered one day.

  17. December 6, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Good Morning Chipsticks,…TOD Early Birds!

    I have been looking at many of the tributes for Nelson Mandela. Many of the tributes include quotes from Mr. Mandela. When I read these quotes, it helps to see why he is so well regarded; why he is the man that has inspired so many. He was a living example of what forgiveness, strength, perseverance, leadership, and humanity is all about. The lessons he taught through his words and especially through his actions have touched and inspired many. I pray that these lessons will continue to be passed on to future generations as his life is remembered and recounted in years to come.

  18. 34 desertflower
    December 6, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Great piece with a great graphic I can’t get off…..Help!:)

    http://jobsanger.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-gop-effort-to-kill-obamacare-is.html

  19. 35 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:30 am

    I dunno about the 3rd rate ‘murkan msm. But BBC has a great coverage of Mandela from different perspectives and personalities.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

    • December 6, 2013 at 8:43 am

      BET’s Centric network had a good program last night that included reflections from celebrities that participated in the Free Mandela Movement.

  20. 37 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 8:32 am

    BREAKING: Great jobs report!

    • 38 Don
      December 6, 2013 at 8:34 am

      Yep! Good things are happening all over.

    • 39 desertflower
      December 6, 2013 at 8:36 am

      Remember that perpetual motion I was talking about a while back?……It’s happening:)

    • 40 Vicki
      December 6, 2013 at 9:01 am

      This is sensational news….especially for the 200,000 households now seeing paychecks. Not to mention the stores near where 200,000 families now have increased resources.

      Pass a raise to the minimum wage and see how the economy improves for millions of people. Who wouldn’t want to do that? Oh, wait,

  21. 41 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 8:33 am
  22. 42 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:34 am
  23. 43 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:35 am

    wow. plenty of tweets on this.

    • December 6, 2013 at 8:39 am

      “wow. plenty of tweets on this.”

      As it should be; just as it should be major headlines/breaking news in the media. But as POTUS indicated, not something to expect since it is good news.

    • 45 anniebella
      December 6, 2013 at 9:01 am

      We all can imagine just how stronger this economy would be if it was not for the Republicans. Jobs and everything else would be so much better. And have anyone heard from that sorry speaker of the house this morning telling us what he think off the job numbers.

      • 46 jackiegrumbacher
        December 6, 2013 at 9:34 am

        No, AB, the speaker sulks under his desk when the economic news is good and sucks his thumb. Has to wait for the Koch Brothers call to tell him how to use the good numbers to trash the president.

  24. December 6, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Thought I’d let you know what was posted on WhitHouse Instagram probably forty min. Ago now.
    “As we work together to build prosperity and security across this Asia Pacific, we have to do so on a foundation of the values that we share: Freedom of speech and assembly; freedom of religion; democratic principles. These are the values that will power success for countries in the 21st century. And it’s what’s allowed my country and yours to succeed.” -Vice President

  25. 49 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:37 am
  26. 56 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 8:41 am
    • 57 Don
      December 6, 2013 at 8:46 am

      I think this Bitcoin thing is nothing but a ponzi scheme.

      • 58 amk for obama
        December 6, 2013 at 8:49 am

        It’s all bs cooked up by some geeks.And the rw idjits are falling all over the place to get’em.

        • 59 Don
          December 6, 2013 at 8:50 am

          I think it was set-up by those twin brothers that hung out with the guy that started facebook.

        • December 6, 2013 at 8:54 am

          I really don’t get the trust people have in Bitcoin. Digital files backed up by no government, traded only on trust. What can possibly go wrong with this? At least with dollars there is a tangible government to vouch for their value, and you can actually hold dollars in your hand. Digiital files can be modified or even erased with the right software and the wrong ethics. If a Bitcoin disappears, there is no replacing it. If my bank closes, the Government will replace what was in my account up to a certain point.

          • 61 amk for obama
            December 6, 2013 at 8:57 am

            It’s all snake oil, carol. Losers are always born again.

            • December 6, 2013 at 9:00 am

              Which is why I anticipate a crash when someone figures out how to game the system, convert it into dollars, and then it promply crashes, leaving everybody broke with no recourse. And the holders will have no recourse. Who do you go to?

          • 63 Don
            December 6, 2013 at 9:00 am

            It’s a Ponzi scheme, these guys are going for a money grab. As soon as they get enough investors to support the con, the original investors are going to jump out of the plane with a ton of money and leave all the suckers to go down in flames.

          • 64 99ts
            December 6, 2013 at 9:06 am

            Banking with NO controls – and many times we have seen the result of that. Ponzi scheme where those in early take their money/goods and get out. Those who joined in later – lose.

      • 65 desertflower
        December 6, 2013 at 8:52 am

        Reminds me of Monopoly money. What a joke.

  27. 66 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 8:50 am

    So many good things happening….That’s why I had to tell some folks on Twitter that when the MSM puts out concern troll articles with headlines like “Obama’s Year from Hell” they are not well-meaning at all, despite their purported agenda. Articles like that are designed to depress and demoralize PBO’s supporters, making them think that PBO has not gotten anything useful done all year. The premise of that article simply is not true. You call a historic deal in Iran “hell?” And despite the usual obstacles in passing domestic legislation like CIR, gun-control, etc., progress is being made on these fronts as well, even as we speak. GOP obstructionism is not new and was in effect since Jan 2009, so any article pretending that this just started in 2013 is transparently concern trolling!

    • 67 Don
      December 6, 2013 at 8:56 am

      Morning Joe used that term on his show, some hell, Presidents dream of having a “hell” like the one President Obama is having. Employment rating dropping, O’care signups going through the roof, and Speaker Jack “Boehner” Daniels has just hired an Immigration adviser.

      • 68 anniebella
        December 6, 2013 at 9:05 am

        I got it. Jack Daniels. :) I am glad Boehner sign up for Obamacare cause he drinks, he smokes, and he’s head of a nutty right tea party wing and Obamacare covers all. Including mental health.

  28. 69 utaustinliberal
    December 6, 2013 at 8:52 am
  29. December 6, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Bet it’s colder where Marilyn is.
    Guess what you’re missing here. . .
    Thank goodness it’s Friday! Today will be partly sunny but cold. The high temperature will be -2 with wind chill values between -11 and -21. There is a 20% chance of snow in the evening with a low around -16 degrees with wind chill values between -21 and -26. The wind will blow around 5 mph. On Saturday, there is a slight chance of snow. The high temperature will be 1 degree with wind chill values between -16 and -26 degrees. The overnight low will be -9 degrees. The wind will blow between 3 and 6 mph.

  30. 81 Ladyhawke
    December 6, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Daniel Gross ‏@grossdm 11m

    ————————————————————-

    From 1/01 through 12/08 — the Bush years — private sector added 156,000 jobs. From 1/09 through 11.13 —

    private sector added 3.86 m!

    —————————————————————

    • 82 No Child Left Behind
      December 6, 2013 at 9:00 am

      From 1/01 through 12/08, had GW Bush painted those animals he has been portraying lately, the economy would have added thousand, no, millions of job. Job for anyone interested in buying then selling these chef d’oeuvres. No! He had to get into politics.

    • 83 amk for obama
      December 6, 2013 at 9:00 am

      Here you go.

  31. 86 pickle48
    December 6, 2013 at 8:59 am

    I love the cartoons of the Naked Pastor. This is his tribute to Mandela: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nakedpastor/2013/12/nelson-mandela-in-heaven/

  32. 87 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 9:00 am
  33. 88 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 9:02 am
  34. 89 utaustinliberal
    December 6, 2013 at 9:02 am
  35. 90 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 9:02 am
  36. 95 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 9:04 am

    LOL @ “BoGate!”

  37. 100 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 9:05 am

    It’s gone international now.

  38. 101 desertflower
    December 6, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Daniel Gross @grossdm
    Awful lot of silence today from the Obamacare-is-killing-employment crowd.
    16 minutes ago

  39. 102 utaustinliberal
    December 6, 2013 at 9:09 am
  40. 103 desertflower
    December 6, 2013 at 9:15 am

    That’s all I’m saying about that! Perfecto:)

    photo/1

    • 104 jackiegrumbacher
      December 6, 2013 at 9:28 am

      Df, I’ve always appreciated this point. The weak man always has to prove how “manly” he is and can’t admit that a woman can be smarter, stronger and more talented than he is. A strong man welcomes every achievement and show of strength on the part of a woman. In the first case, the man always insists that the woman “stifle’ herself in one way or another so as not to outshine him. In the other, the woman can be fully herself and go as far as her talents will take her.

      • 105 japa21
        December 6, 2013 at 9:45 am

        I think the word “handle” is misinterpreted in this tweet. It isn’t handle the woman but handle himself being with a strong woman. Not feeling threatened by her strength or feeling he has to prove himself, somehow, stronger than her.

      • 106 desertflower
        December 6, 2013 at 9:47 am

        Agreed:)

  41. 107 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Yup I saw some tweets last night about Carrie Underwood’s terrible performance… while Audra was stellar as usual. As I’ve said many times before, I want Audra to play Michelle Obama (opposite Brian Mitchell Stokes who will play PBO) in the original Broadway musical version of “Obama!”

    • 108 donna dem 4 obama
      December 6, 2013 at 9:28 am

      Holy Smokes HF2 she is phenomenal.

    • 111 dotster3
      December 6, 2013 at 9:34 am

      I watched and enjoyed it—–even though it was evident that the roles were selected for their vocal performance and not their acting abilities—–but I thought it was sweet and it was fun to see a remake of an old fave. Carrie carried the vocal part, but her acting was a little bit high school. And Audra’s “Climb Every Mountain” was so emotionally moving, worth the price of admission. Anyhoo——it was ambitious and I was happy to see it, more worthwhile than the usual junk. I hope they continue this same kind of quality effort.

      • 112 hopefruit2
        December 6, 2013 at 9:40 am

        I understand that Julie Andrews’ shoes are hard to fill by anyone, so I applaud Carrie for her courage in undertaking that role.

    • December 6, 2013 at 9:37 am

      I watched about 20 minutes of it and was shocked at how awful Carrie Underwood was and how splenderous Audra McDonald performed. She is magnificent.

  42. 116 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 9:19 am

    What a moving portrait!

  43. 117 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Dems had better take heed…as amk indicated yesterday, McConnell’s Dem challenger is doing herself no favors by distancing herself from PBO and running away from OCare.

  44. 120 JER
    December 6, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Good Morning everybody.

    • 121 99ts
      December 6, 2013 at 9:40 am

      I don’t like the “both sides do it” connotation of this tweet. The only thing that is small in the US congress today is the GOP opposing WHATEVER the administration does – because – black POTUS.

  45. December 6, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Good morning to all TODers. So many, many moving stories and photos about Mandiba. And so much good news on unemployment and ACA sign-ups. It’s overwhelming to take in all that is happening foreign and domestic.

    I was doing some Googling to find out more about PBO’s encounter with Mandiba and was very surprised to learn the details. I found this article from last June. I didn’t know there was only one meeting that nearly didn’t happen. It really saddens me to know that PBO didn’t have more time with him. This is a very good read:

    In Mandela, Obama Found a Beacon Who Inspired From Afar

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/world/africa/mandela-obama-africa.html

    • December 6, 2013 at 9:38 am

      Great link Meta, thank you! I have something in R&S – which will be done in 17 minutes, 36 seconds – about their only meeting, but didn’t have that article – thanks again!

    • December 6, 2013 at 9:49 am

      Interesting article from the NYT…but i can’t helped but be dismayed by their need to “spank” the President…makes reading the article difficult…

      “Like Mr. Mandela, who angered some black South Africans who wanted a more radical reordering of the country’s wealth, Mr. Obama has sometimes disillusioned his most ardent supporters”.

      i think those who are disillusioned never were his supporters…i grow weary of this meme…

  46. 129 forus50
    December 6, 2013 at 9:34 am
  47. 130 JER
    December 6, 2013 at 9:36 am
    • 131 anniebella
      December 6, 2013 at 9:51 am

      I want to know why this isn’t a bigger story to the media. Why aren’t they going out there finding people who would be cover by this Medicaid expansion and let them come on tv and tell their story. Oh, I know why. It wouldn’t be anything negative about Obamacare and they don’t give a dam about these people, just like the Republican Governors who is refusing the coverage for these people. It is all about politics. What a disgrace these Governors are and the media too.

  48. 132 amk for obama
    December 6, 2013 at 9:40 am

    What is the Ocare enrollments you expect by the time 2014 elections roll around?

    Methinks about 10 million. Even if half of them bother to vote, gop is truly phucked. And I am not even considering gop party switchers, who got a good ACA deal.

  49. 135 forus50
    December 6, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Yikes. As way of apology for being a major space hog here with my 4 tweets, I wasn’t able to comment on the blog yesterday as Word Press had a good block and tackle going on me.

    However, it was so nice reading all your lovely tributes to Mr. Mandela – you all are wonderful.

  50. 136 japa21
    December 6, 2013 at 9:43 am

    GM all.

    I have deliberately stayed away from commenting on Mandela, not because I have no appreciation for who he was and what he did, but rather both who he was and what he did are beyond my ability to pay tribute to.

    I first heard about him about the same time I was reading Patton’s Cry, The Beloved Country. Looking back, it was like it was fated the two would happen together. Here I was reading, and being deeply influenced by, a book that exposed the worse of the apartheid system while along came a person who was willing to sacrifice everything to bring it to an end.

    I remember being aghast at the hatred I heard expressed whenever his name was mentioned and the open support for the system of apartheid. Remember, this was during the Civil Rights era here and I was old enough to recognize that part of the support for apartheid was a defense of this country’s segregation policies. I think many were so against Mandela because they knew that if South Africa was able to end its racist approach to existence then the US would be at the forefront of nations that deliberately and maliciously oppressed a major segment of its population.

    LL made a comment last night about how in SA they were celebrating his life, not mourning his loss. And that is the way it should be. The man gave so much of himself not for his own glory, which I think matter not one whit to him, but for the welfare of his people. And by “his people” I mean the people of SA, not matter what their color or religion was. He knew that oppression impacts both the oppressed and the oppressors in negative ways. He was never into revenge for prior wrongs but rather about having all move forward. Considering all that was done to him, that may well be his greatest legacy.

    • 137 carolyn
      December 6, 2013 at 10:09 am

      japa…..I have just finished teaching (again) Cry, the Beloved Country in my Comp I class…..two students presented a powerpoint about Mandela’s life on Tuesday. The timing was wonderful to me.
      I first read the book when I was a senior in high school, in the late 1950s. I was never able to escape the book, so when I taught in college, I took that opportunity to explore that book and the issues with my students. It is a rich read, written two years before the official imposition of apartheid.
      I also, feel inadequate in this situation, but have appreciated everything written here and in other places. This man was truly a giant in the world.
      There is a line in Cry, the Beloved Country which always startles me when I read it, and appreciate how Mandela kept the awful from happening.
      Toward the end of the book, another priest, Msimangu, dedicates his life to prayer for his country, and tells Rev. Kumalo, the protagonist of the story, that his one great fear is that “When they are turned to loving, we will have turned to hating.” Mandela had a very large influence in preventing that from happening…..the power of one good, dedicated life is incalculable.
      I highly recommend reading this book for anyone interested in background on Mandela’s life and apartheid. Also, the movie from 1995, starring James Earl Jones is superb, though it did not do well at the box office. I show it after we finish reading. There is hardly a dry eye in the class.

      • 138 japa21
        December 6, 2013 at 10:18 am

        For some reaswon which I have never figured out, I was chosen to speak at our HS commencement which was mid-60′s. I spoke about things happening in the country and I closed with a quotation from the book. I will have to reread it. I just remember how much it impacted me.

        • 139 HZ
          December 6, 2013 at 12:22 pm

          Thank you, japa for your brilliant piece. I am so honored and very blessed to be in the space of so many wonderful and gifted writers, thinkers, and intellectual givers of knowledge. What a blessed time to be in all of my TOD family. You lift me up to a beautiful place as well.HZ

  51. December 6, 2013 at 9:53 am
  52. 141 anniebella
    December 6, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Look I’m still not threw with Phil Griffin about them getting rid of Martin Bashir. He has to hear from me.

    • 142 anniebella
      December 6, 2013 at 10:07 am

      The right wing haters said whatever they want, lie their freaking racists asses off about this President, but they don’t get fired or nothing.

  53. 143 JER
    December 6, 2013 at 9:56 am
  54. 144 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Just a gentle ‘minder for those who are able, and need a little holiday reprieve. Tonight is the annual National Christmas Tree lighting with President Obama, First Family and many other entertainers. It won’t be carried on TV, but will be livestreamed on this site. :)

    http://thenationaltree.org/

    At a later date in the next week or two, PBS stations will carry the taped event, so check your local listings if you aren’t able to see it live tonight.

  55. 148 hopefruit2
    December 6, 2013 at 9:59 am

    But, but, but NBC told me that consumer confidence was very low and folks were not shopping….

    • 149 forus50
      December 6, 2013 at 10:04 am

      Everybody bought laptops ONLINE to shop ONLINE. (Although I had a meeting out in the suburbs this week – Schaumburg_ and had to go to lunch at Woodfield Mall which was right next door. The huge damn mall was PACKED on a Tuesday afternoon with people fighting over parking spots. Not kidding. So people still go to the mall….

      • 150 hopefruit2
        December 6, 2013 at 11:11 am

        Indeed, forus50. There were reports all over the country of people setting up in tents in front of certain stores up to 10 days before Black Friday. And like you said, the malls were packed.

  56. 151 Debra
    December 6, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Nelson Mandela. Rest in peace.

  57. 152 99ts
    December 6, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Via BJ – I found Reagan arguing against sanctions against SA in 1986 – video on c-span
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SouthAfrica9

    ANY slip in a speech by President Obama is attacked forever by the GOP. Apart from the nonsense spoken by Reagan in this speech – he started with the comment

    “If South America wishes to belong to the family of Western Nations an end to apartheid is a precondition.” Simple misspeak – but I can’t help but think it described well his complete misunderstanding of the reality of South Africa – How did he get to be President?


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