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100 Responses to “Chat Away”


  1. 9 Judith Fardig
    January 4, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Wow – I haven’t even finished the first two posts!

  2. 10 utaustinliberal
    January 4, 2014 at 12:41 pm
  3. 11 utaustinliberal
    January 4, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    This was my response to the MHP Show blow up.

    • 13 Nena20409
      January 4, 2014 at 2:57 pm

      JoeScar looks like Phil Griffins. JS calls PG his friend. Ed, MHP or Bashir could not say that. LOD was begged to stay on. The reason he works 4 nights a week. He speaks his mind and when on mojo, he speaks his mind. MSNBC signed contracts with these people yet ONLY Scarborough it seems for years is allowed to break the rules and keeps his job.

      10015 correct with your tweet.

  4. January 4, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    I don’t want to watch it but hugs to Melissa.

    Our side is always the adult in the room. Always giving consideration to the other side. Meanwhile, right wing hosts just give us the finger, yell freedom of speech and dig in even further. It makes me so angry sometimes.

    I’m curious about how Mitt Romney will respond.

    • 15 hopefruit2
      January 4, 2014 at 1:09 pm

      With the utmost respect and I’m sorry GB to have disagree at this time – but I saw nothing “adult” about MHP’s apology. And here’s why I say this. MHP in the past has said some highly offensive remarks about PBO – from condemning his speeches to outright lying on national TV by claiming that he accused single mothers of being responsible for gun violence. When this was brought to her attention did she apologize or even revise her remarks? No – instead she doubled down, reacted in an extremely arrogant manner, blocked people and got a few of her minions to attack the dissenters with full force.

      Fast forward to this issue…MHP basically joked about something that looked like (and most likely WAS) a desperate political act on the part of the Romneys. She was NOT attacking the adopted child. She was not attacking trans-racial adoptions. Yet she was made to apologize (which she did on Tweeter with several tweets) for something she didn’t do. Furthermore, Joe Scarborough added insult to the injury by sending out a passive-aggressive “congratulatory” tweet to the Romneys invoking the SAME said adopted child.

      In contrast, when David Gregory and Jodi Kantor had a Twitter exchange directly attacking the Obama’s for supposedly “staging” their family life, there was nary a peep from the left or anyone on MSNBC. The only people raising a stink were the TODers, and some of the Obots on Twitter. The general media was deathly silent about this.

      Thus I am of the opinion that MHP was not apologizing out of a sincere belief that this was the thing to do or out of “consideration for the other side.” She was not apologizing in order to retain a position to do greater good for humanity. She apologized to retain her job at MSNBC to pay her bills and afford her the lifestyle she has come to enjoy.

      • January 4, 2014 at 1:35 pm

        No doubt, most would be happy if she had taken a stand and claimed her right to free speech like the right does. I’ve got an entire collection of the insults politicians and pundits have directed toward the President and his family. I’ve been on every sight talking about this mess posting an old link to remind everyone just how awful and offensive the rhetoric has been…without apology.

        Perhaps you can remember that it got so bad, a coalition of Catholic Bishops called on Republicans to please put a stop to it. Boehner et al
        said “it was not their responsibility to tell people what to say or think…they were exercising their 1st Amendment Rights.”

        It’s an old link, but if you want to get pissed or remind people how awful they’ve been, it’s:

        http://thepoliticalpragmatic.blogspot.com/2012/09/republicans-say-obama-is-most-divisive.html

      • January 4, 2014 at 1:37 pm

        I totally understand what you are saying. I’ve been angry at MHP for some of her opinions but I really do think her apology was sincere. She’s one of those liberals that go out of their way to bring in the other side so it hurts her to see that she’s caused some kind of rift.

        • 18 hopefruit2
          January 4, 2014 at 1:47 pm

          MHP is a very savvy player and I don’t feel sorry for her. Not one bit. But this is not really about her, it’s about the broader issue of the networks being owned by right-wing corporations and thus commissioned to suppress certain points of view while amplifying others – in other to control large swaths of the population for the benefit of the privileged few.

          In other words, say what you want the Obamas “staging” their marriage and family life and it’s all good, but make one mention of Romneys doing the same and all hell will break loose.

          • 19 Vicki
            January 4, 2014 at 2:22 pm

            Hopefruit, I wish you were wrong. But you are not wrong.
            I just watched the MHP clip at the top of the post and it brought tears to my eyes, too.
            But in contradiction to Gobrooklyn’s idea that Melissa’s guest list is about her wanting to bring in the other side and almost entirely about “skew right or find another job.”

            There seems to be at MSNBC our way or the highway. In my view Martin CHOSE the highway. MHP is going with MSNBC’s way.

      • January 4, 2014 at 7:53 pm

        Co-sign on everything you said, hopefruit.

  5. 22 Judith Fardig
    January 4, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    I plan to tweet the following GOPers today about extension of unemployment benefits. They all live in states where the rate of unemployment is above the national average, and older workers are very unlikely to find a job:
    Kirl – IL
    Corker and Alexander – TN
    McCain and Flake – AZ
    Chambliss and Isaakson – GA
    Portland – OH
    Toomey – PA
    Do they not even pretend to be compassionate conservatives?

  6. January 4, 2014 at 12:48 pm
    • 26 Don
      January 4, 2014 at 1:13 pm

      This is a test for Romney, this can be a teachable moment. Can he take the high road and offer a fig leaf to MHP, or will he take the low road, he will show his character tomorrow.

      • January 4, 2014 at 1:32 pm

        Please tell me that’s snark, Don : ) Mitt Romney hasn’t used a teachable moment since learning at two who the ‘help’ was. His response will be scripted to the last thread of his starched cuff. This whole thing is disgusting.
        And Chips, that trademark has this whole stupid fcking sht storm tied up with two letters. You’re rather a brilliant one, now please pardon my frnch.

      • 28 hopefruit2
        January 4, 2014 at 2:00 pm

        Sorry Don but there’s no teachable moment in this. Romney already is behind all of this nonsene. His money is deep in MSNBC’s pockets. Thus he cannot take the high road – EVER. Until this financial conflict of interest in the corporate media is completely eradicated.

  7. 29 Layla
    January 4, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    ‘click off’

  8. 36 desertflower
    January 4, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    More goodness from the “No shit” file.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/01/social_darwinism_and_class_essentialism_the_rich_think_they_are_superior.html

    Kraus’ even more recent work, not yet published, goes beyond what high-status individuals believe in order to maintain the status hierarchy and explores what they do. Consider Congress. Members’ median net worth, in 2011, was $966,000. “They’re quite wealthy individuals,” Kraus says. “And because they’re wealthy they’re likely to engage in not only these essentialistic [mental] processes, but these people actually have power to enact laws to maintain inequality.”

  9. 37 Judith Fardig
    January 4, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    e.g.

  10. 38 Don
    January 4, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Mitt can go on Fox and play the victim card all he wants to, but when he lies in bed in the middle of the night and he’s alone with his thoughts. Nothing can heal the wound that President Obama inflicted on him; and now he has to live with it for the rest of his life. This guy is a multimillionaire, he’s used to getting what he wants, but this right here he can’t get. And it is eating him up slowly, daily; and he can’t out run it. But even more troubling for Romney is that he hasn’t even began his journey towards healing. So now he goes to and fro looking for any validation he can get, sad.

    • 39 allison
      January 4, 2014 at 2:03 pm

      THIS!!!!

    • January 4, 2014 at 2:32 pm

      Excellent assessment of Romney’s mental status. The wound is horrible, deep and infected. Everytime he sees another PBO victory, his elegance, intelligence and humility Mitt hurts all over again. I dont envy him one bit. Money cannot help with any of these issues.

    • 41 Nena20409
      January 4, 2014 at 3:08 pm

      Just like Ms Ann did in April-May of 2012 when Rosen said that she had not worked a day in her life…….The Romneys milked that. The media spent almost 6 weeks on it and Rosen was made to apologize on TeaNN several times and on either ABC or MTP two weeks or so later.

      When Romney’s sons in NH spoke of bitherism not such cry to endlessly be apologetic. When Josh Romney said that he wanted to kick or beat up pres Obama, crickets from the media. When Ann Romney called pres Obama an Obstinate child, no outrage from the media.

      Chip Reed of CBS chided then Press sec Gibbs for using Cheney’s accusations and charges against pres Obama when Gibbs was defending pres Obama……..Reed asked Gibbs if that was a Civil/respectable way to address a former VP. The media needs to be called out. But Dems must start demanding equal treatment.

  11. 42 hopefruit2
    January 4, 2014 at 1:21 pm
  12. 43 carolyn
    January 4, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    My take on the MHP situation. First a disclaimer: I did not see the original show, I did not see today’s show, I have only followed it and know of it because of this blog. However……I think it is important that she keep a show. She is a unique voice, which needs to be heard.
    Had I seen the show, I have no doubt I would have reacted in much the same manner as people on here.
    My suggestion, for what it’s worth, is for some who saw these shows to write her giving her your support and telling her many people have her back. I’m sure that right now she feels like she’s out on a limb about to be cut off. She well knows what happened to Bashir.
    This was not Melissa, I’m sure. It was Griffin. The best thing he can see is a strong show of support for HER, not for him.
    If she goes, Griffin has another scalp.

  13. 44 donna dem 4 obama
    January 4, 2014 at 1:26 pm
  14. 48 mtmarilyn
    January 4, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    I haven’t watched the MHP show since she went after the President on the single mother issue. This whole thing makes me sick. They can talk about assassinating this President and not get into trouble but when any liberal(?) says anything about a Repub they jump all over it. I am sick of it. I don’t watch any MSNBC except Rev Al anymore. We must GOTV this year. We have to take back Congress.

  15. January 4, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    “White was quick to add that as impressive as this year’s wins were, extremist state legislators and governors are expected to continue their onslaught in 2014 against educators, public education and working families. And their corporate backers and bill mills, led by the Koch brothers and the American Legislative Exchange Council, will help lead the way, said White”.

  16. 50 Asher in Boston
    January 4, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Happy New Year, TODville. It’s still cold out here, but pushing on. The MHP apology was sad to watch. One thing we should not forget is that Msnbc just takes Dems for a ride. Bashir apologized and was let go for speaking the truth about bigoted palin. And now Melissa has to apologize for a non issue since most know that they weren’t mocking the baby. I think Joy Reid should stay away from having her own show on that channel. Because, then she will have to sell her soul to please the big bosses.

    I have never seen any host apologizing for the personal attacks by joe of the First family, which he does daily. And it’s almost all the hosts of color that have to apologize, or get rid of. Eff msnbc.

  17. January 4, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    My only comment …

    …. since I don’t watch any of these programs and, if it weren’t for TOD and Twitter, I’d have no idea any of this stuff happens. Just too much else to do.

    Don’t let anything distract from >> #LandSlideDEMS2014

    #FORWARD

  18. January 4, 2014 at 2:09 pm
    • 59 Layla
      January 4, 2014 at 2:12 pm

      YES!!!!!!!!!!

    • 60 JER
      January 4, 2014 at 2:15 pm

      Agree! They need people to watch in order to increase the revenues they get from commercials. I won’t give them that.

      • 61 4morefor44
        January 4, 2014 at 2:42 pm

        it’s really not about ratings and money from commercials. as a whole, tv viewership has been consistently falling for years. newspaper readerships (i.e. their ratings), have been plummeting. yet do any of these “news” outlets try anything differently in terms of the coverage and who they have presenting it? no, and in fact they double down on the stuff that has been losing them ratings for decades now. chuck todd, jonathan karl, chris matthews, david gregory, and other losers like this keep getting promoted, while people who spank them in ratings get fired, such as keith olbermann and phil donahue. new york times has been diminishing for years, yet nothing ever happens to tom friedman, david brooks, marueen dowd and so on. after DECADES of these people keeping their jobs while “ratings” tank, wouldn’t it make sense there would be a personnel shake-up at some point?

        approx 5 mega-corps own all the media now (thanks to bill clinton). they bought it all and relaxed all the ownership laws and regulations, through years and millions spent on lobbying to do precisely that, so that they can turn “the news” into their own propaganda machines. sure, if they can make some money on some shows here and there, that’s a bonus, but its much more important to them to spread the pro-republican ideology and keep liberals from raising their taxes and increasing regulations again.

        100% of the major “news” is about this now, and when you look at through this lens, the crazy “reporting” we talk about here every single day makes a lot more sense, doesn’t it?

    • 62 hopefruit2
      January 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm

      Great advice. I’ve been doing this for over a year now. :)

  19. January 4, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    In happier news:

  20. January 4, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Yes We Can

    • January 4, 2014 at 3:18 pm
      • 68 Nena20409
        January 4, 2014 at 3:21 pm

        Note that MHP ad no longer runs on MSNBC.

      • January 4, 2014 at 3:33 pm

        This is just disgusting, but it’s the kind of activism the Right engages in.

        It occurs to me that when that idiot from “the Duck show” made his nasty remarks, they came out and defended his right to express himself, they always do. Dems take the opposite approach…with Melissa we look for her to take a stand, but no Dem is publicly supporting her right of free speech. They support the Duckman, we turn Melissa off. Something’s wrong with that video.

      • 70 Vicki
        January 4, 2014 at 3:33 pm

        MSNBC/MSM/GOP/TP doesn’t care if we watch or not. They do care if we vote though, and they are making strenuous efforts to keep us from the polls.
        We are the 47% that will never vote for GOP.

        They are directing their efforts to citizens that either agree with them now or that can be persuaded to do so in the future. That is the only goal—preserving and protecting their agenda.

        The path they have chosen to do that is to demean and demonize all things Democratic.
        Use doubt fear lies anything at all to discredit The President and all Democrats.
        Keep Democratic voters away from the polls by any means possible.

        That’s the goal. If watching MSNBC upsets you by all means don’t watch it. You won’t be missing anything. But lack of eyeballs will have little to no effect on Comcast. THis is not the same as a boycott of a store where profit is the motive and minds get changed when dollars disappear.

        Their goal is to take over the Senate keep the House and someday win the WH. If none of those happens the RW will redouble its efforts in the states. As of today 25 states 1/2!!!! of the states have not accepted the Medicaid expansion.

        Comcast is assisting the GOP in attaining total control of America.

        The agony they must be feeling at the de Blasio win!

        • January 4, 2014 at 3:58 pm

          Agree with you assessment of Comcast – to a point, Vicki.

          When I state #ClickOFF I’m not making an economic argument, but a political one, i.e., reject propaganda.

          However, Comcast and the other corporate media conglomerates have ‘bottom lines’ and those ‘bottom lines’ and the shareholders who scrutinize them are very sensitive, i.e., non-elastic, regarding advertising revenue.

          If the bulk of what they program receive way less views than a program like O’Donnell’s or Maddow’s they know it, in hard numbers. The metrics are extensive and constantly scrutinized.

          So, a combination of acknowledging that they are propaganda outlets with #ClickOFF activism, and having their advertisers made aware of the consequences of viewers rejecting that propaganda is, imo, worthwhile.

          Yes We Can

      • 74 dotster3
        January 4, 2014 at 4:31 pm

        Incidentally, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts owns a vacation home on Oahu near where the Obamas stay. For the last few years, when the WH press pool used to report, President Obama and I assume Michelle would be invited on one of their vacation nights to a cocktail party at his home. That news always made me feel a little bit relieved about comcast/msnbc’s political intentions, even tho the time the Obamas reportedly spent there seemed like just time enough for about a half a cocktail—–more of a courtesy appearance—-arrived at 7:00, departed at 7:45, or thereabouts. I did not see that same occasion mentioned anywhere this year, but I didn’t see much at all mentioned by the reporters there this year.

  21. January 4, 2014 at 3:10 pm
    • 76 Cindy
      January 4, 2014 at 4:06 pm

      Oh my, how precious is this? No words, we love our four legged friends, they are family for many of us. When my Mr. Sam became very ill (cat), I would sit and hold him, wrapped in a blanket and talk to him. He was so precious, and he passed away in my arms as I talked him through his last hour. I think that he knew how much I loved him.

    • 77 hopefruit2
      January 4, 2014 at 4:33 pm

      Now this drives me to tears…

  22. 78 vcprezofan2
    January 4, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Was SoS Kerry a doctor, before he became a politician? ;)

  23. 79 Nena20409
    January 4, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    Last. MHP had to apologize or her show, her stand of diversity would ring untrue. Had I been in her shoes, the apology would be educationally driven with panels just as the original segment did last Sunday.

    That would have been directed strictly on how people perceive diversity. It could have been also how many in modern times have treated or dealt with Children of politicians or and of the wealthy in power.

    The challenge then could have been directed at the media and those who promote hateful propaganda. I guess, MSNBC under JoeScar would NOT want that LIGHT to be lit?

  24. 80 Nena20409
    January 4, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Those who OWN the News Media control who, what, when, how, where News Contents and in what Context News is delivered to the people.

    5-6 corporations control what 90% of We The People consume.

    The Visual Medium is still the most powerful tool. The righties know this. The very reason why their policies are not popular but they win elections and dominate the narrative. Until Dems find a way to change this…….dynamic……40 plus years in making, US of America would keep electing idiots to run congress and state houses.

  25. 81 Dakota
    January 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    I really want to feel bad for MHP for having to do this, but I just don’t. She could have said, “Bite me, I told the truth” and walked away with her dignity, but she chose not to…she chose humiliation over integrity. If I seem harsh it’s because these people are not broke! It’s not like she’s going to be wondering where her next meal is coming from. She’s a college professor! Most working people have to swallow crap almost daily in order to bring in a paycheck to feed their families. I do admit that as a black woman this sickens me. I haven’t watched MSNBC for a very long time…I will never tune in again…sorry Rev. Al.

    • 82 Cindy
      January 4, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      Dakota,
      You speak the truth as Bob and others have. I may be wrong on this, but what I see, is the right wing pulling President Obama into this mess to distract from the 1.3 million human beings who will not have a check this week. It is said that he (President Obama) is making a speech on Tuesday, this is a distraction and they are going to “try” and pull him in. Mitty boy on Fox? Yes, this is another right wing theatrical move to distract. What about the boy’s name? Are they concerned? No, they are not concerned because this is a planned distraction. The Romney’s could have said; we accept her apology and we need to move on because there are real people who are hurting and this is where the focus should be. He wants to play the victim and then accuse the President. Say what you will, but this in some form, is going to end up in President’s Obama lap and I just hope he prepares for; we gotcha moment.

  26. January 4, 2014 at 3:38 pm
    • January 4, 2014 at 3:48 pm

      Here’s why …

      …. courtesy of Charles Johnson as I would not have known about it had I not seen his tweet.

      This is a video everyone should see and I suggest you, LL, or UT or Chips feature it on the ‘front page.’

      What little remains of a ‘Free Press’ – broadcast medium – the US continues to be under attack.

      #FORWARD

      • 87 Cindy
        January 4, 2014 at 4:00 pm

        Bob,
        When I saw Maddow take a stand against the brothers, I immediately thought, they are going to want her fired. She was awesome on the matter, and she did not read their script to protect them. She called them out for who and what they are and she stood on her own against their demands.

      • January 4, 2014 at 4:02 pm

        I will! (Just as soon as I figure out how to embed MSNBC video in a post…)

      • 90 Vicki
        January 4, 2014 at 4:03 pm

        Luckily I caught Rachel last night and her strength blew me away.

        • 91 Cindy
          January 4, 2014 at 4:09 pm

          She is tough Vicki, she invited the brothers to come to her show; anytime and anywhere with no interruptions if they want to defend themselves. I was proud of her because she didn’t fall in line.

      • 92 COS
        January 4, 2014 at 4:09 pm

        Bobfr, I watched Rachel last night and this was the best part of her show; she stood strong. The Kochs should realize that they will be a constant target of Rachel. I use to listen to her radio show and McCain was her target.

      • 93 dotster3
        January 4, 2014 at 4:12 pm

        Unless Rachel is gone—poof—-one day soon, banished for this segment, which was a direct and honest hit on the Big Money boys, who seem to have their mitts in everything everywhere, it is somewhat encouraging that comcast/msnbc has not yet totally succombed, that truth can still be aired by those determined to do so and so inclined.

      • 94 a4alice
        January 4, 2014 at 4:43 pm
  27. 95 vcprezofan2
    January 4, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    And the Kerry beat goes on! I sure wish him success, great or small!

  28. 96 Ladyhawke
    January 4, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    Anatomy of an Obamacare ‘horror story’

    Texas daily went digging for victims of the ACA and Surprise! Reporter unearthed three Tea Partiers who hate the new law.

    http://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2014/01/03/anatomy-of-an-obamacare-horror-story/

  29. 98 jacquelineoboomer
    January 4, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Disclaimer: I have never met MHP personally, so I have no clue what she’s “really” like. Also, I respect both sides of this issue (from OUR side, since our side is the only one that allows discussion), because both sides we are discussing have merit.

    I’ll add my take, if I may, and it’s convoluted. First, in hindsight, using a photo of a white family with one new black grandchild in it during a segment with comedians was asking for trouble (it wasn’t used as a “learning” experience, not with the comedic “give us a caption” concept) – and did show not even so much poor judgment as immature judgment. Second, crying on air during an apology on a TV show (or when you’re Speaker of the House) signifies immaturity. Third, just like when I was MHP’s age “back in the day” – and, let’s face it, even now – for women to cry “on the job” only adds credence to the old-timey remarks that women shouldn’t be in responsible positions because they can’t emotionally handle it.

    That said, to think of all the hateful, dangerous, slimey, bigoted, disrespectful comments made about and directed at President Obama’s two children makes the fallout from this incident even more ridiculous. Also, I believe DURING MITT’S LIFETIME (no doubt he was brought up that way) African-Americans couldn’t fully participate in his Mormon Church, much less be adopted by white Mormons. I’m hoping their motives today were the right ones, and not something “political” or attention-getting (because I wouldn’t put the latter past any Romney).

    Finally, I say anyone of prominence on our side who wishes to apologize for any of their words or deeds should go right ahead and do it, even if it’s just to save their jobs (and who hasn’t done that?). We’ll never know if MHP meant it or not, and I don’t care either way. I do know that if we don’t apologize because “the other side wouldn’t,” then we’re no better than the other side. And that last part’s REALLY being ridiculous!

    Again, my convoluted take, only, but there ya go.

    • 99 dee
      January 4, 2014 at 7:11 pm

      Amen. As a AA Mormon, I watched the segment , and she really had nothing to apologize for , other than the poor choice of comments from the panelists. She started off calling the picture “beautiful”. As the host she took the blame, like a coach does for losing a game. Mr Romney should say he accepts the apology and move on. If he doesn’t , it is his own problem and not the rest of us Mormons, that will be thought badly of., and not followers of Christ who teaches us to turn the other cheek.


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