95 Responses to “Some information on metadata”


  1. 1 japa21
    January 22, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    But they are listening to all out calls. Greenwald told me so and he woudl never lie.

  2. 5 JER
    January 22, 2014 at 12:53 pm
  3. 12 dotster3
    January 22, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    Shooting reported on campus of Ok. U.
    Today’s school shooting.
    This cannot continue.

    • 13 57andfemale
      January 22, 2014 at 1:05 pm

      My goddaughter is a surgeon at the hospital connected to George Washington University in St. Louis. They are now receiving training in what to do when a shooter comes into the hospital.

  4. 14 Nena20409
    January 22, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-153

    WH presser by Jay Carney is LIVE now and is already in session.

    Hello TOD Community.

  5. 15 57andfemale
    January 22, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Charlie Pierce was ridiculous on Stephanie Miller yesterday. In essence, it was the government’s responsbility to know and control what Freedom Industries was doing re: our safety from chemicals in the water, etc. And literally in the next breath, NSA!!!!! AHHHH!!!!!!!! Metadata!!!!!! EEEK!!!!!!!!!!! We must be totally FREE from any interference with our telephone calls. Government has NO RESPONSIBILITY for the safety of the nation. We must have total PRIVACY at any cost. The NSA should be dismantled!!!!!! And yes, he believes every phone call is being listened to all the time, by every employee of the intelligence apparatus. Not one bit of credit to PBO for being the first President ever to voluntarily scale back surveillance in any form. Unless the NSA is dismantled or be a completely open book to every yahoo in the world, then NO CREDIT. Stephanie tried to talk sense but he was having none of it. He sounded more deranged than Rand Paul.

    Charlie’s logic: the government is completely responsible to keep us safe from corporations but not Al-Qaeda? Seriously, Charlie?

    Anyone want to bet that he shopped at Amazon yesterday, looking forward to the ‘suggestions’ of books, music, coffeemakers, electronic equipment…….

    • 16 jacquelineoboomer
      January 22, 2014 at 1:07 pm

      Exactly. What’s HE doing that he doesn’t want the government to know about?

    • January 22, 2014 at 1:07 pm

      That’s the thing that just infuriates me. People don’t know what telecom metadata is. They think it has all your most personal information. It doesn’t. Amazon and iTunes know more about you than the NSA ever would, and all without a warrant.

      • 18 57andfemale
        January 22, 2014 at 1:14 pm

        What particularly infuriates me is the wilful ignorance of so many. Charlie Pierce could have easilybothered to educate himself of the truth. He could read Bob Cesca or Little Green Footballs or the other substantive journalism that is readily available. I think it was his choosing to be ignorant that particularly enraged me and the childish view that any and all surveillance is corrupt. We’ve been using espionage since the beginning of the country, for God’s sake. And as the President said, we cannot choose to ignore modern digital communication.

        I guess we could have a substantive argument about whether or not Snowden is a traitor (I believe he is) but the wilful ignorance to not know the first damn thing about metadata is inexcusable for an intelligent liberal writer. Charlie was shocked – shocked I tell you – that the NSA was surveilling foreign countries. That’s what the NSA is for! How stupid do you have to be to think we could stay safe without surveillance?

        • January 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm

          It’d be nice if the community of nations could hold hands and promise not to surveil each other. But, you know, that’s not what’s happening. At this very moment, the FBI is investigating foreign surveillance of the US. That’s part of its job. The idea that foreign powers can spy on us but we can’t spy on them is rather amazing.

      • 20 Horace Boothroyd III
        January 22, 2014 at 5:45 pm

        I agree completely with you on this one.

        Just the other day, Rand Paul was ranting that THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS DATA EXISTS AT ALL!!!!!!! So I had to sit there and think about how, when I want to question that 25 cent charge for a call to Oregon, I want that data and I want that data to be accessible PDQ. Just like the Army with its tanks and guns and helicopters and ability to obliterate ANY TOWN IN AMERICA!!! in a matter of moments, the exists and it can be misused and the only question is how are we going to keep it under control.

      • January 22, 2014 at 7:09 pm

        And they have less security on it (TARGET), fewer restrictions on how they can use it, and no one cares….

    • January 22, 2014 at 1:21 pm

      Why doesn’t he rail against TSA or Homeland security for that matter. It’s so stupid to take your shoes off in an airport. All because of one unsuccessful attempt.

      • 23 57andfemale
        January 22, 2014 at 1:26 pm

        He rails against that, too. It was a childish discussion. Anything Stephanie said, Charlie said, “But how do we know for sure?” So government is completely bad when it comes to terrorist threats, but the government is the complete answer and totally trustworthy when it comes to chemicals in the water. How does that compute?

        If PBO didn’t publicly call for the NSA to be dismantled or everything the NSA does become an open book, then PBO wasn’t entitled to any credit at all. So let’s make it harder for Dem’s to keep the WH because a GOP administration is going to be a better alternative?

        It was absurd.

        • January 22, 2014 at 1:34 pm

          It really is stupid. They think they’re so smart, but they can’t make that connection in their heads.

        • January 22, 2014 at 2:46 pm

          Pierce’s distrust of the government is just as bad as the RW’s wanting to dismantle government…two sides of the same coin!

          • 26 57andfemale
            January 22, 2014 at 3:06 pm

            That’s my point exactly. But you can’t ‘trust’ the government to regulate certain things and then decide to mistrust it when you don’t like something. You can yell for complete free(dumb) and privacy when it comes to your phone calls but then want the government to protect your water supply. Here’s a newsflash, Charlie Pierce: you need surveillance of digital communications to stop the poisoning of water by terrorists. It isn’t logical to say that a terrorist attack is the price we pay for freedom and privacy, and then rail for gun control. It just strikes me as intellectually dishonest and no different than the ravings of the RWNJ’s.

    • January 22, 2014 at 2:12 pm

      Back in the day, they used to have party lines. NSA could have had a spying good time then. :)
      It is so inconceivable to me that people actually believe people are sitting around listening to them talk to their Aunt Minnie. There are even more phones in this country than guns. Now, that’s saying something.

      Last week I received an email in my maiden name, which I haven’t used for thirty years (I even stopped using my first name altogether) about the mortgage on a house I sold 25 years ago. That wasn’t NSA. If you ask me Facebook “is” NSA.

      • 28 57andfemale
        January 22, 2014 at 2:39 pm

        That’s the other thing that drives me crazy: Americans walk around with phones surgically attached, telling every last detail of every minute of their lives, their every thought. But metadata is so dangerous? Give me a break. We relinquish that privacy in order for a phone company to bill us. Once you are on the grid, it is outrageous and downright absurd to say the government owes us complete privacy. We’ve already given it up – it is complete insanity to think that we should unilaterally disarm so that we can be ‘free’ to get buying suggestions from Amazon but not track nefarious activity that can do great harm.

        It’s also the world of super hero comic books to think that every conversation is being listened to. Smart people who think that is even possible should get the hell off the public stage. They have abdicated their brain cells to conspiracy theorists and are no better than the tea party.

    • 30 99ts
      January 22, 2014 at 5:24 pm

      Charles is off the planet about NSA – as are most journalists – they want government to be all knowing and all doing – but they have to do this without knowing anything about anyone. Only reason I can think for his approach is that Snowden was aided and abetted by a fellow “journalist”

      • 31 57andfemale
        January 23, 2014 at 11:11 am

        “they want government to be all knowing and all doing – but they have to do this without knowing anything about anyone.”

        Perfect, 99ts!

  6. January 22, 2014 at 1:05 pm
  7. 33 JER
    January 22, 2014 at 1:18 pm
  8. January 22, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Thanks for sharing LL. Now I understand it much better.

  9. January 22, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Most of you probably don’t know how a gun is registered if you buy it through a dealer. I only know some of the questions, but they are stupid. It only takes about five minutes. You do need to show ID in WY. But if you have a concealed weapons permit you don’t have to fill out or answer paperwork. The Dealer then calls it in. You are asked if you are Hispanic or Non-Hispanic. You’re also asked what race you are. It had white, not Caucasian which surprised me. I just thought it singled out Hispanics which really irritated my Hubby and me. Oh, anyone in WY can carry a concealed weapon so that’s also a stupid question.

  10. 36 Nena20409
    January 22, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    LL your explanation, illustration, pretty much is how I understand what it is that Data-mining is.

    The thing that I fail to understand by those who are so loud about this is that Edward Snowden worked for a private entity. He deliberately went in for 3 months and stole information…..Classified information.

    In April 2013, right after the Boston Marathon Bombings many asked why were those bombers not caught earlier. Well if the gov’t was listening to their calls and monitoring as many of these critics charge, then I will listen to their version of how US gov’t collects and stores data. But what is lacking is a thorough explanation, educating the vast members of the US public. So long as there are gaps in explaining what US gov’t does, misinformation grows and cynicism by the public continues. The cure is simple. Educating US Citizens.

  11. 37 amk for obama
    January 22, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Most americans carry a chip on their shoulders.

  12. 40 aamom
    January 22, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    I too have a confession to make LL. I just retired from THAT phone company after 28 years. I am loving it!

    • January 22, 2014 at 2:19 pm

      Quite an insightful and uplifting read. Thanks for sharing, 57. Me thinks Christie’s “goose is cooked.” It may take awhile. In fact, sure it will, but in the end, I believe he’s done…..and I bet more people/stories will be found.

  13. 46 Nerdy Wonka
    January 22, 2014 at 1:56 pm
  14. 47 Nena20409
    January 22, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/christies_popularity_in_wake_of_bridge_scandal_plummets_poll_shows.html#incart_river_default

    The Rutgers-Eagleton poll, released today, shows 46 percent of voters view the Republican governor favorably, while 43 percent have an unfavorable view about two weeks after e-mails surfaced that appear to link a top Christie aide to the bridge controversy.

    The first figure is a 19-point drop from the group’s last survey, in November, when 65 percent of voters saw Christie favorably just before he was re-elected in a landslide.

    ////

    Folks are not as Fatuous as the Media Love affair for Christie would like Us to believe.

  15. 49 JER
    January 22, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    LIVE NOW: President Obama and Vice President Biden Host an Event for the Council on Women and Girls – http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/president-obama-and-vice-president-biden-host-event-council-women-and-girls

  16. 51 Linda
    January 22, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Blackout on CNN and FOX

  17. 53 GGail
    January 22, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Wow, in this age of swift data, mis-information about a shooting at U of Ok fled around the US in a matter of 10 minutes

  18. 54 Cindy
    January 22, 2014 at 2:15 pm

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  19. 56 Nerdy Wonka
    January 22, 2014 at 2:27 pm
  20. 58 Nerdy Wonka
    January 22, 2014 at 2:29 pm
  21. 59 Nerdy Wonka
    January 22, 2014 at 2:31 pm
  22. 60 Nerdy Wonka
    January 22, 2014 at 2:32 pm
    • 61 GGail
      January 22, 2014 at 2:50 pm

      NW, thanks!

      I’m thankful and proud that Barack H. Obama is the President of the United States during my lifetime. He is truly a President for the People!

      He is hardly a Lame Duck President. Let’s make him even stronger after the November 2014 mid-term elections!!!!

      • 62 Lynn
        January 22, 2014 at 5:15 pm

        “Let’s make him even stronger…” Every school board, every county, every city, every state, GGail. Every vote counts. Thanks for all your hard work.

  23. 63 57andfemale
    January 22, 2014 at 2:33 pm
  24. 67 Nerdy Wonka
    January 22, 2014 at 2:38 pm
  25. 69 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
    January 22, 2014 at 2:45 pm
  26. January 22, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Hi Chips, Appears that the Twitter authorization feature in WordPress is working again! Hope it will persist :) Thank you.

  27. 74 Nerdy Wonka
    January 22, 2014 at 2:54 pm
  28. January 22, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    This is AWESOME LL! THANK YOU!

  29. January 22, 2014 at 3:09 pm
  30. 80 yardarm756
    January 22, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    I think this person has a bit of a ‘tude!

  31. January 22, 2014 at 3:29 pm
  32. 82 Linda
    January 22, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    Abby Huntsman just said that PBO gave his first State of the Union in 2005.

  33. January 22, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Is it me or has it been a slow day on TOD?

  34. 90 57andfemale
    January 22, 2014 at 3:39 pm
  35. 91 57andfemale
    January 22, 2014 at 3:41 pm
  36. January 22, 2014 at 3:46 pm
  37. 94 Beaglemom
    January 22, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Thank you, Library Lady. It’s good to have these things explained. People have a tendency to jump on the “worst possible scenario” bandwagon. I have no problem with the NSA looking at metadata; in fact, I think it’s a good idea. Had the Bushies paid more attention to what the intelligence community was telling them, then 9/11 might have been avoided. We have to be a vigilant nation. That is not the same as being a “police state” as some of the extremists on both ends of the political spectrum would have us believe. Maybe it the news media had explained metatdata at the start of this NSA kerfluffle, people would not have gotten so disturbed. So, thanks again.


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