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14

Storify – Will McAvoy on Ukraine/Russia

Things are getting hairy. Russia’s upper house has approved sending troops to Ukraine. There’s also a motion in the Duma to request that Vladimir Putin recall Russia’s ambassador to the US.

The times are even more perilous then they were when the US was poised to strike at Syria. Russia would have kvetched about Syria, but ultimately not have done much about it. Ukraine is an entirely different matter.

So, as we sit and wonder what will happen next, a recap of the master class @WillMcAvoyACN gave last night on Ukraine, and the difficulty of effecting any good solution to this crisis.

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Chat on, and think of where we would be with a President Romney.


112 Responses to “Storify – Will McAvoy on Ukraine/Russia”


  1. 1 amk for obama
    March 1, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    !!!

  2. March 1, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    This is fantastic LL, a masterclass indeed from Will, so much good information and history – thank you Sir!

  3. 7 taiping1
    March 1, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Excellent commentary. He even engages detractors.

  4. 8 taiping1
    March 1, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Congratulations Chips and all BTs for 24 million and counting. The best place on the web for what’s really happening. And Nerdy Wonka: amazing indefatigable warrior for truth with a sense of humor. Love you all.

  5. 11 japa21
    March 1, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    I was going WTF until the last line

  6. March 1, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Thank you, LL. Enjoy his TL.

    from the bottom of the previous thread:

    FS Hague on his way to Kyiv in the next few hours ….

    Speaking this afternoon Saturday 1 March, Foreign Secretary William Hague said:

    I am deeply concerned at the escalation of tensions in Ukraine, and the decision of the Russian parliament to authorise military action on Ukrainian soil against the wishes of the Ukrainian government. This action is a potentially grave threat to the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine. We condemn any act of aggression against Ukraine.

    I spoke today to Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov to urge steps to calm this dangerous situation. I told Minister Lavrov that Britain supports the Ukrainian government’s request for urgent consultations in accordance with the 1994 Budapest Memorandum signed by the UK, US, Russia and Ukraine. In the light of President Putin’s request to the Federation Council, we have now summoned the Russian Ambassador to the Foreign Office to register our deep concerns.

    I also spoke this afternoon to German Foreign Minister Steinmeier where we agreed on the need for international diplomatic action to address the crisis. The UK supports the proposed emergency meeting of the EU Foreign Affairs Council in Brussels, and we have already called an urgent meeting of the United Nations Security Council for this afternoon in New York.

    Yesterday I spoke to Ukrainian Acting President Turchynov and made clear the UK’s support for Ukraine’s new government. I urged him to ensure that the government takes measures which unify the country, and that it protects the rights of all Ukraine’s citizens, including those from minority groups, in a spirit of inclusiveness. And I assured him of the UK’s commitment to working with other international partners and institutions to ensure that reforms by Ukraine are matched by international willingness to provide economic support.

    I will visit Ukraine on Sunday to discuss these issues directly with the Ukrainian government. I will reiterate the UK’s support for the territorial integrity of Ukraine. I will also discuss how the UK can support the Ukrainian government in recovering improperly acquired assets. The EU must agree urgently an asset freezing regime to target those suspected of laundering the proceeds of corruption. On my instructions, the British Embassy in Kiev has told the Ukrainian government that we stand ready to provide Ukraine with technical advice on asset recovery.”

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-secretary-calls-for-de-escalation-of-tensions-in-ukraine

  7. March 1, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Will Putin blink?

  8. 21 Nerdy Wonka
    March 1, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Media is reporting that President Obama just had a “Principles Meeting.” That’s a meeting with his top national security team. They saw the individuals exiting the White House and leaving in their official SUVs.

  9. 31 hopefruit2
    March 1, 2014 at 1:09 pm

  10. 32 amk for obama
    March 1, 2014 at 1:13 pm

  11. 34 Paulita
    March 1, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    LL, Nerdy Wonka, and fellow Bt’s , I love the way you guys are able to distill and disseminate information into nuggets of chewable goodies,
    great tasting and nutritious too.

    Thank you. It is an art.

  12. 36 vcprezofan2
    March 1, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Hi!
    .
    You may not remember me, but I used to comment here regularly a LONG time ago (before I got abducted by a promise). Of course, I am now so far behind all that’s been happening in the real TOD world, that it’ll probably be smart to keep my mouth shut and listen and watch to see what I’ve missed. [There’s no way I’m going back through a week’s work of posts – though I did spot some lov-a-ly pictures of my FIRST man and his FIRST woman!]

    • 37 jacquelineoboomer
      March 1, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      Rules:
      1. NEVER keep your mouth shut.

      I’ll think of more later. :)

    • 44 GGail
      March 1, 2014 at 1:29 pm

      Hi vc! welcome back girl :-)

      • 45 vcprezofan2
        March 1, 2014 at 1:39 pm

        Thanks – did you save me any birthday cake, or was what you saved washed away along the highway?

        • 46 GGail
          March 1, 2014 at 1:46 pm

          Aw sweetie, I just finished off the last piece of my cake. I hadn’t heard from you so…sworry!

          • 47 vcprezofan2
            March 1, 2014 at 1:55 pm

            Sigh! I suppose I’m grateful it’s done since I *have* been eating a lot of sweets. Tell me it was chocolate and I’ll be even more grateful as I don’t like chocolate cake. That said, hope you had a great time with family and friends.
            .
            BTW, how old are you now? ;) ;) You’re not going backwards like you-know-who in this village, are you?

            • 48 GGail
              March 1, 2014 at 2:04 pm

              It had some chocolate and I ate it quickly, knowing that would be the part you wouldn’t like. Then I finished off the rest because you wouldn’t surface. I had/am having good times with friends & now family – thanks for asking.

              Now about my age… :wink:

              I’ll let you know who think she’s Dorian Grey :D

    • March 1, 2014 at 1:30 pm

      Welcome back, VC!!! Glad you’re no longer truly being ‘the quiet one’ :)

      • 50 vcprezofan2
        March 1, 2014 at 1:38 pm

        ;) It was a real test of my ‘quietude’ (contrasting with attitude here), Bobfr! :grin: :razz: Also, it couldn’t have been more poorly timed!

    • 51 MightyPamela
      March 1, 2014 at 1:30 pm

      And now, I’m off, working today. VC, not only you have NOT been forgotten, you have been actively missed as well as much foot-tapping while awaiting your return. I speak not only for myself, and there are others who will agree. Today’s world events are of such a dire nature, I wish I could walk it with you all. Back later.

    • March 1, 2014 at 1:31 pm

      Hey VC!!! Good to see you in the village! :-D

      Have you completed your assignment and are free to hang out or are you taking a break to mitigate the stress?

      • 54 vcprezofan2
        March 1, 2014 at 1:43 pm

        :grin: :grin: I am finally done, SW! I have even submitted them all already. I haven’t been so stressed in ages and ages! It was quite an experience (one I won’t repeat)!

  13. March 1, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    I just realized that even from Will McAvoy’s tweets, everything’s changed.

    He stated that Russia has made it impossible to act in Crimea because it used a small enough amount of force to be able to say that it was just protecting strategic interests.

    But today’s action by the Duma escalates the situation a thousandfold. It’s not about the Crimea, but about reimposing Yanukovych by the barrels of tanks.

    • 56 Don
      March 1, 2014 at 1:23 pm

      LL, I don’t think President Obama or the people of the Ukraine are going to let this guy back in. Yanukovych and Putin have two things in common, neither one of them has said anything sideways to President Obama, but President Obama has put Putin on notice.

  14. 57 Don
    March 1, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    You just know that when President Obama calls in the CIA, it’s for reelz. I think Putin is just puffing out his chest a little bit, I’ll take McAvoy’s view in that Russia sent in a very small force big enough to get everyone’s attention, but not big enough to start some shit. All madmen aren’t crazy.

  15. 59 vcprezofan2
    March 1, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Chips, because I know how you really, really love my singing, this masterpiece of music is primarily for your ears…..

    ♫Congratulations….and celebrations, when I tell everyone that you … have hit 24 mill! ♫
    ♫Congratulations….and celebrations, I want everyone to know that …I’m here with yoooouu. ♪♪♫

    Yea, you probably already all celebrated it in my absence, but that’s okay! I’m still adding my little bitty….
    ‘Congrats, Baybee! Excellent work!

    And …..
    ‘Happy 24 mill-Congrats to you too, Nerdy!’

    AND FOR THE REST OF THE GANG……

    “Keep up the good work! You are doing a terrific job!” ……………Love, VC

    • March 1, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      Well VC, that was a beautiful song!! Thank you, my little munchkin!!!!

      • 61 vcprezofan2
        March 1, 2014 at 1:48 pm

        Okay, what have they done with the real Chips in my absence? A compliment on my singing? An endearment re my person? Something is off here …..
        .
        .
        Are you an acting Chips?…. Wait, I get it. You actually missed me! Oh, wow! :razz: There really is truth in the old saw ‘Absence makes the heart grow fonder’. I’m going to go look for Amk, to see if *his* heart grew fonder. :grin: :grin: :grin:

    • 66 Nerdy Wonka
      March 1, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      Great song. Thanks, VC.

      • 67 vcprezofan2
        March 1, 2014 at 1:51 pm

        Aaaw, (that made me smile)! *You* have been ‘making TOD history’, my dear, Ms Nerdy. I haven’t been able to read all you have done, but I have cast a quick eye over a fraction of the millions of pics you’ve been sharing. Looking good; very, very, good!

  16. 68 GGail
    March 1, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Putin has been as unhappy as Romney that President Obama was re-elected. He doesn’t have a puppet in the White House and he’s not happy with this strong principled President, but he needs to seriously think this course of action through.

  17. 69 hopefruit2
    March 1, 2014 at 1:26 pm

  18. March 1, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    ty LL….great info and background info…knowing the past helps to understand the present!

  19. 76 sherijr
    March 1, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    thanks for a bit more clarity.. I was trying to understand how the new PM of Crimea could ask for Russian troops, whilst at the same time folks in the Ukraine speaking against Russian Troops.. this helps in understanding.

  20. 77 Don
    March 1, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    The politics of this just don’t add up for Putin. There is no way that Putin can continue to travel down this road and be proven right in the end. Putin isn’t going to back Yanukovych to the point where he loses Russia; I’m not talking literally just figuratively. President Obama stated yesterday that “There will be a cost for any military action that Russia takes.”

  21. 78 africa
    March 1, 2014 at 1:41 pm

  22. 81 hopefruit2
    March 1, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Here’s another idiot – clearly impressed by Putin’s “Swagger” . These dudebros, and Libertarian shills are so childish and insecure, it is laughable and disturbing at the same time.

    • March 1, 2014 at 1:45 pm

      What a nasty tweet, Jesus I hate these people.

      • 83 hopefruit2
        March 1, 2014 at 1:48 pm

        Indeed Chips. Not only is it a bad analogy, but the inherent sexism and misogyny in his choice of pics are quite evident…

      • 86 jacquelineoboomer
        March 1, 2014 at 2:05 pm

        • March 1, 2014 at 2:14 pm

          and he is the Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent for a news agency….wow….

          • 88 jacquelineoboomer
            March 1, 2014 at 2:16 pm

            I am quite annoyed, as I’m sure we all are.

            • 89 hopefruit2
              March 1, 2014 at 2:20 pm

              Excellent push back! He’s trying to sneakily walk it back. No dice. Thanks JO’B.

              • 90 jacquelineoboomer
                March 1, 2014 at 2:26 pm

                Thank you. I recall “working” – for 43 years. (Well, vaguely – Ha!) Don’t recall just saying or writing anything that I wanted to, in a public forum, without considering how it appeared to others in my role as a representative of my organization. These “professional journalism” pukes have forgotten everything else I can think of, right after my first choice of “common decency.” The President is such an easy target, because they are so green-eyed with jealousy, since they’ll never rise to his level. In anything. Grrrr.

                “There is an endless supply of paint.”

      • 91 jacquelineoboomer
        March 1, 2014 at 2:08 pm

        And this was a “character judgment”:

    • 93 Nena20409
      March 1, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      Isn’t so obvious that the Notion of all these critics is always to find a way to subtly call pres Obama a child? Well Crowley@TIME s u c k on this:

  23. March 1, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Hey Chips, I have another post ready to go once this one hits critical mass.

  24. March 1, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    And it looks like my new post might be taken over by real time events.

  25. 97 hopefruit2
    March 1, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Good. Because I saw earlier on Twitter that they were not planning to meet until Monday.

  26. March 1, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Please note that Turkey has a formidable armed forces and they have not been the least bit reticent in the past 48 h that they will defend the Crimean Tatars. In case you have any doubt about their ability to mobilize and strike quickly, check the map of the Black Sea.

  27. 106 Ladyhawke
    March 1, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Security Council to meet again on Ukraine; UN envoy urges calm in Crimea

    —————————————–

    1 March 2014 – The United Nations Security Council is meeting on Saturday for the second time in as many days to discuss the situation in Ukraine, while an envoy dispatched by Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to the strife-torn country appealed to all sides to refrain from any actions that could further escalate an already tense environment in the Crimea region.

    Senior Advisor Robert Serry, who was dispatched to Kiev earlier this week by Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, was requested to go to Crimea as part of his fact-finding mission, following yesterday’s Security Council consultations on the crisis in Ukraine.

    “I have since been in touch with the authorities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and have come to the conclusion that a visit to Crimea today is not possible,” Mr. Serry said in a statement. He added that he will now proceed to Geneva, where he will brief the Secretary-General tomorrow on the mission and consult with him on next steps.

    ———————————————

    Read the full post here …….

    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47254&Cr=Ukraine&Cr1=#.UxIw-Vw1ZZg

  28. March 1, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    “Ukrainian navy ships reportedly leaving Sevastopol

    The flagship of Ukraine’s navy, the frigate “Getman Sahaidachny,” has left its main base in Sevastopol, Ria Novosti reported. A “senior official in the headquarters of the Ukrainian Naval Forces” said other Ukrainian ships currently stationed in the city are also scheduled to leave the base. The day before saw the departure of all six of the Sevastopol base’s border patrol vessels. Odessa is the ships’ possible destination, according to the news service.

    — Alex Padalka”

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/140226/ukraines-acting-president-calls-separatism-serious-threat-live-b

  29. 110 vcprezofan2
    March 1, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Lib_L, thanks very much for highlighting the McAvoy tweets. They are a very good way to be updated after an absence. I heard snippets of Ukraine news in my car while I was away, but the news I heard were actually behind (time wise) the info I had been getting here. This summary really helps. I’m going to follow McAvoy for a while. Smart sharing, sir!


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