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Apr
14

President Obama Speaks at the Oso Firehouse

6:50 EDT: President Obama Speaks at the Oso Firehouse

White House Live

Streaming of the visit to Oso here

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Have to go out for a bit, hence the verrrrrry early heads-up. See ya in a bit.


127 Responses to “President Obama Speaks at the Oso Firehouse”


  1. 4 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 4:56 pm

  2. 5 57andfemale
    April 22, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    2?

  3. 7 Nerdy Wonka
    April 22, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    First Lady Michelle Obama will be on ‘Jessie’ on the Disney channel on May 16th at 8PM ET.

    You can view pictures here:

    http://zap2it.com/photos/zap-jessie-first-lady-michelle-obama-guest-stars-photos-20140421

    • 8 anniebella
      April 22, 2014 at 7:10 pm

      I never heard of a show name Jessie till now. I will have to see if I can get the show and watch FLOTUS May 16.

  4. 9 yardarm756
    April 22, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    This is Charley Reese’s final column for the Orlando
    Sentinel.
    He has been a journalist for 49 years. He is retiring and this is HIS LAST
    COLUMN. Be sure to read the Tax List at the end.

    This is about as clear and easy to understand as it can be. The article
    below is completely neutral, neither anti-republican or democrat. Charlie
    Reese, a retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinel, has hit the nail directly
    on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the final analysis must
    assume responsibility for the judgments made that impact each one of us
    every day. It’s a short but good read. Worth the time. Worth
    remembering!

    545 vs. 300,000,000 People – By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then
    campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against
    deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and
    high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.

    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.
    The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme
    Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly,
    legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems
    that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem
    was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional
    duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private,
    central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
    They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator,
    a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care
    if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has
    the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises,
    it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what
    they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless
    of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount
    of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker,
    who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.
    The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to
    accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility
    to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations
    and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? John Boehner. He is the leader
    of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President,
    can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they
    can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace
    545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and
    irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not
    traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain
    truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then
    it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.

    If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it’s because they
    want them in Iraq and Afghanistan .

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan
    not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire
    and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they
    can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and
    from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you
    into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the
    economy”,”inflation ,” or “politics” that prevent
    them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power.

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
    their bosses.

    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.

    Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

    What you do with this article now that you have read it is up to you. This
    might be funny if it weren’t so true. Be sure to read all the
    way to the end:

    Tax his land,
    Tax his bed,
    Tax the table,
    At which he’s fed.

    Tax his tractor,
    Tax his mule,
    Teach him taxes
    Are the rule.

    Tax his work,
    Tax his pay,
    He works for
    peanuts anyway!

    Tax his cow,
    Tax his goat,
    Tax his pants,
    Tax his coat.

    Tax his ties,
    Tax his shirt,
    Tax his work,
    Tax his dirt.

    Tax his tobacco,
    Tax his drink,
    Tax him if he
    Tries to think.

    Tax his cigars,
    Tax his beers,
    If he cries
    Tax his tears.

    Tax his car,
    Tax his gas,
    Find other ways
    Taxes to pass

    Tax all he has
    Then let him know
    That you won’t be done
    Till he has no dough.

    When he screams and hollers;
    Then tax him some more,
    Tax him till
    He’s good and sore.

    Then tax his coffin,
    Tax his grave,
    Tax the sod in
    Which he’s laid…

    Put these words
    Upon his tomb,
    ‘Taxes drove me
    to my doom…’

    When he’s gone,
    Do not relax,
    Its time to apply
    The inheritance tax.

    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    CDL license Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Excise Taxes
    Federal Income Tax
    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon) What? It was $3.59 at the
    BP in New Jersey this morning 8/2/2011
    Gross Receipts Tax
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Inventory Tax
    IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Taxes
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Personal Property Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Service Charge Tax
    Social Security Tax
    Road Usage Tax
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    Sales Tax
    School Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
    Telephone State and Local Tax
    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Utility Taxes
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax
    Exit Tax (when you move out of New Jersey, LOL!!!)

    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most
    prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest
    middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

    What in the heck happened? Can you spell ‘politicians? ‘

    I hope this goes around THE USA at least 545 times! YOU can help it get
    there!!!

    GO AHEAD. . . BE AN AMERICAN

  5. 12 MightyPamela
    April 22, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Went up to the rooftop garden at the expected arrival time, hoping to see from afar some glimpse. Today feels like one of Creation’s most perfect days: sun, clouds, breeze, birds nesting, exquisite air quality. Especially nice when the air traffic is interrupted, and the world feels so silent. I’ll try again after the firehouse speech, maybe see the planes heading SW.

    • 13 MightyPamela
      April 22, 2014 at 5:08 pm

      It’s just really wonderful to know PBO is near.

      • 14 yardarm756
        April 22, 2014 at 5:16 pm

        Take lots of pictures if you can.

        • 15 MightyPamela
          April 22, 2014 at 6:26 pm

          Standing by for live streaming, then will boogie back up to the rooftop… Phone in hand.

          • 16 MightyPamela
            April 22, 2014 at 6:28 pm

            Mind you, it seems the presidential fleet would be heading out over the water in a direct line to S. Korea. They do not need to fly in the customary zones, I shouldn’t think.

          • 17 yardarm756
            April 22, 2014 at 7:12 pm

            Boogie, boogie! :-)

      • April 22, 2014 at 5:20 pm

        So exciting for you, MP!

        No place on earth can lay claim to more beauty than the Pacific Northwest (including Canada and Alaska).

        A little over 10 years ago I traveled to Seattle almost monthly for work.

        I’m a small person, so I love the window seats; a 2-hour plane ride that takes you over Yosemite, Lake Tahoe, the Cascades (Mt. St. Helens, Mt. Hood, Mt. Rainer), then sweeps past Gig Harbor, around the Space Needle for a good view of the Olympic Pennisula. Gorgeous doesn’t begin to describe the experience. (During the summer, Alaska Air pilots would announce when we were flying over those landmarks — for the kids on board, was my guess.)

        Such a sad occasion, but I’m so glad the President is in your neck of the woods today.

        • 19 MightyPamela
          April 22, 2014 at 5:53 pm

          Totally accurate on every point Arapaho! The PNW is outdoing itself for Natural Glory in honor of this day. The Oso mudslide area has been under surveillance for a very long time. Much of the instability was/is man-made; my neighbor across the hall has gone fishing up there for over 40 years. He was telling me about the showdowns between developers and the state planners, how the developers won by threatening legal action. The massive destruction caused by clear cutting above the Oso township area is one of the major contributing factors to the disaster, not enough trees left to stabilize the slopes. For 15 years, engineers have been anticipating this slide. The fact that it is a popular and very beautiful place made it harder to convince people of the dangers. There was no way they could have known when, but there was no IF, it was destined to happen. Maybe President Obama will find a way to help us all see how powerful our impact is on the planet, and how we much take care in developing our habitat.

          • April 22, 2014 at 6:27 pm

            Thanks for the info, MP!

            Now I have egg on my face because I responded to a tweeter who said the obvious cause was clear-cutting.

            Clear-cutting isn’t obvious in the the before and after photos I posted below.

        • 21 0388jojothecat
          April 22, 2014 at 5:57 pm

          Hi Arapahoe I might have been on one of your flights. I used to travel Alaska airlines for work and fun to Seatac or Portland about the same time. I plan to retire to PNW in the next eight years.

          • April 22, 2014 at 6:30 pm

            I flew from Burbank to Seattle on fairly regular basis.

            One winter day I was really excited because I thought it was snowing in downtown Seattle (cars getting off the freeway had snow on their trunks) and went into one of the numerous coffee shops (not Starbuck, which are literally across the street from one another and on different floors of the same building because the streets are so steep) excited about the snow.

            The barista shut me down right away by saying, “I’m from Montana, that’s sleet.” I must have looked really disappointed, because she hastily said, “But it was snowing just awhile ago.” LOL.

  6. 23 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 5:16 pm

  7. 24 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 5:23 pm

  8. 25 Nerdy Wonka
    April 22, 2014 at 5:24 pm

  9. April 22, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    I’ve posted these tweets before (when they were sent).

    Perspective on the devastation, and some pathos (note that the last photo was taken by a member of the Washington state National Guard):

  10. 28 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 5:26 pm

  11. April 22, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    And on the other side of the world, Mashable has done a riff on the NYTimes’ travel series “36 Hours in Ukraine with Joe Biden.”

  12. 30 Nena20409
    April 22, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    There’s Only One Nationally elected person in US by the 50 states and Washington DC.

    Yet this Current POTUS is Not covered nationally. We have more News Media. Yet in the 21st Century with all the 24/7 News outlets, POTUS is Not covered 24/7.

    But there is TOD, globally capable, willing and delivering. Thanx TOD <3 <3 <3 TODable TODers ;)

  13. 31 Nena20409
    April 22, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Au for Allison. Congrats.

  14. 32 Nena20409
    April 22, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    I like John Legend. But this little bundle sure looks like John Legend. :)

  15. 35 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    April 22, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    THE PRESIDENT’S OSO VISIT MEANS SO MUCH TO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE…AND TO JESUS…WHO WANTS US TO MAKE A SINCERE EFFORT TO EXTEND OUR HANDS OF COMFORT TO OTHERS!…AM WATCHING!

  16. 36 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 5:39 pm

  17. 37 yardarm756
    April 22, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    Truth.

  18. 38 Nerdy Wonka
    April 22, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    Secret Service does not joke. Bravo!

  19. 39 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    LIVE VIDEO – First video of Oso slide tour from Marine One: http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/kiro-live-event-1/vt6Gk/

  20. 40 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    LIVE COVERAGE: President Obama visits Oso landslide – http://q13fox.com/live/#axzz2ze5VhNpC

  21. 43 Nerdy Wonka
    April 22, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    Thank goodness she didn’t let his nonsense slide.

  22. April 22, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    I wonder will the President deliver his remarks much earlier than planned? Not due to speak til 6:50 EDT, but they look almost ready here –>

    http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/kiro-live-event-1/vt6Gk/

  23. 49 jackiegrumbacher
    April 22, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    Chips, this is terrific coverage of the president in Osa. As Nena says above, you could follow the media until you turned blue, but you wouldn’t get the kind coverage of presidential news that you get on TOD. Thank you a million times over!!!!

  24. 51 hopefruit2
    April 22, 2014 at 6:05 pm

  25. 52 hopefruit2
    April 22, 2014 at 6:06 pm

  26. 53 Linda
    April 22, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    So it begins…….

    Wisconsin GOPer Eager To Ban Affirmative Action After Supreme Court Ruling

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wisconsin-republican-affirmative-action-ban

  27. 54 Nena20409
    April 22, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syria-chemical-weapons-forfeiture-20140422,0,2531631.story#axzz2zejHnpcV

    BEIRUT — The Syrian government has shipped out almost 90% of its chemical weapons material, raising hopes that the war-ravaged nation can meet a Sunday deadline to comply with a disarmament accord, an international regulator said Tuesday.
    The latest shipment on Tuesday to the Mediterranean port of Latakia means that 86.5% of the weapon material has been removed, according to a statement from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which is overseeing destruction of Syria’s toxic chemical stockpile.
    That amount includes 88.7% of the 700 metric tons of the most toxic, “priority 1” chemicals, among them mustard gas and precursor materials for the nerve agents sarin and VX.

    //////

    Hmm?

    Manhood?

    Hmm?

    Brooks is wetting his pants?

  28. 57 Linda
    April 22, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    The Clinton Baby Joke That Made Jimmy Fallon’s Audience Boo

    http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/04/22/3429515/jimmy-fallon-tries-fails-to-make-hillary-clinton-pantsuits-joke-happen/

    Wow…he has really been stepping in lately.

    The bad joke about ObamaCare.

    Having Sarah Palin on as a guest.

    Jimmy…what’s up ?

    • 58 Sandy1110
      April 22, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      Corporations own the networks. I think they have to “balance” their coverage to please their corporate masters.

  29. 59 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 6:20 pm

  30. 63 hopefruit2
    April 22, 2014 at 6:22 pm

  31. 71 hopefruit2
    April 22, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    Paging Chuck Todd and Chris Cizzilla…

    • 72 Nena20409
      April 22, 2014 at 6:39 pm

      I wrote here either yesterday or on Sunday that 2014 reminds me of 1998 elections with the media’s and TBGOPers’ Obsessive addiction on Monica resulted to Dems doing better in 1998. I said that 2014 is looking like the media’s and the TBGOPers’ obsession with ACA, aka, Obama Cares, would result to a Dem Victory. That road to victory started on 4-1-14. I wrote about that too.

      Now Let the countdown to getting our Voters out and 2014 will take care of itself……..V I C T O R Y.

    • 73 Nena20409
      April 22, 2014 at 6:43 pm

      http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10591

      To make it easier for folks to view.

      This Poll is Not a Dem friendly pollster.

      So 6% points here is a BFD :)

    • 75 Lovepolitics2008
      April 22, 2014 at 7:21 pm

      Didn’t Nancy Pelosi said back in 2012 that a 7% gap meant democrats would take back the House ??

    • 76 COS
      April 22, 2014 at 8:58 pm

      Our lives depend on Democrats going to the polls in November. The Supreme court’s decision today was yet another reason to vote in 2014.

  32. 77 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    April 22, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    See, y’all thought I was joking when I said I lived in Pennsyltucky, or was that Pennsylsippi, or Pennsylbama… Because some of us took our eyes off the ball, we are reliving and relitigating issues from 50 years ago… Tears…

    Exhibit A:

    KKK imperial wizard: Neighborhood watch underway in Fairview Township

    By Eric Veronikis | everonikis@pennlive.com
    on April 21, 2014 at 8:00 AM, updated April 21, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    A local chapter of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan launched a neighborhood watch in the area of Ridge Road in Fairview Township in response to a recent rash of break-ins, said Frank Ancona, the organization’s imperial wizard and president.

    Leadership of a local Traditional American Knights chapter contacted the organization’s headquarters in Park Hills, Mo., to find out whether the national organization would sponsor the crime watch, and Ancona said he gave the midstate “klavern” his blessing.

    more at link: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/04/kkk_imperial_wizard_announces.html#incart_river_default

    • 78 jackiegrumbacher
      April 22, 2014 at 9:29 pm

      Alycee, this is heartbreaking. Just when you think PA might be taking a step forward, it takes a big ugly leap backward. Something awful is going to happen in this Fairview Township, whereever it is.

  33. April 22, 2014 at 6:34 pm

  34. April 22, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    One of the few real American journalists ….

  35. 83 Dudette
    April 22, 2014 at 6:40 pm

  36. April 22, 2014 at 6:41 pm

  37. 91 MightyPamela
    April 22, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    I’m not getting anything on WH.gov/live yet, are we underway?

  38. 93 Nena20409
    April 22, 2014 at 6:46 pm
  39. 94 hopefruit2
    April 22, 2014 at 6:53 pm

  40. 95 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 7:04 pm

  41. 96 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 7:05 pm

  42. 97 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 7:08 pm

  43. April 22, 2014 at 7:08 pm

  44. April 22, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Lovely intimate talk with the first responders. It felt very personal.

  45. 100 MightyPamela
    April 22, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Now he’s done it. Again. Buckets of tears, he just IS. And we are so thankful. I’d better head up to the roof soon.. It’s not far by chopper to Paine Field. I wish I could make him a cup of tea, feet up. I’m sure he’ll be well-looked after aboard AF1.

  46. 102 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    April 22, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    THE PRESIDENT IS SO SADDENED BY OSO AS WE ALL ARE…70 FEET DEEP IN MUD IS SO HARD TO IMAGINE….PRAYING FOR HIS SAFE TRAVELS TO JAPAN…I DON’T EVEN LIKE HIM GOING TO SOUTH KOREA!

  47. 104 vcprezofan2
    April 22, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Phew! /let out the breath I was holding/ I got nervous when PBO started shaking hands individually, because for a little while I thought he might miss the folks who came up on the right side, and I just know how disappointed *they* would have been if their hands had been overlooked. Phew. I should have known I shouldn’t have worried – PBO is ever aware! :) :)

    Safe travels, Mr. President, and be sure to sleep on the flight!

  48. 105 Nena20409
    April 22, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    What 1st responders do.

    Wow.

    88 yrs old man was pinned down and then rescued by firefighters lifting the car up.

  49. 106 MightyPamela
    April 22, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    When someone tweets this YouTube to all those honchos like Brooks, Todd, etcetera types, let them know THIS is why Barack Obama is President, and they are just fools who don’t know when to shut up. And he never, ever overlooks the children. This is how the future is shaped.

  50. April 22, 2014 at 7:35 pm

  51. 109 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 7:36 pm

  52. 110 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 7:41 pm

  53. April 22, 2014 at 7:45 pm

  54. April 22, 2014 at 7:56 pm

  55. 114 JER
    April 22, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    SOON – President Obama departs Oso, Washington: http://q13fox.com/live/#axzz2ze5VhNpC

  56. April 22, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    “In a web chat hosted by the Atlantic Council today, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, the head of the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), claimed that there are as many as 100 Russian military intelligence or special forces officers operating in Ukraine at the moment.

    Nalyvaichenko said that separatist actions in Slavyansk were being lead by a group of 30 GRU officers, lead by Colonel Igor Stelkov, who the SBU claimed to have identified via phone recordings on April 14. Nalyvaichenko said today that the SBU is has arrested and is interrogating three GRU officers, currently being held in Kiev.

    Nalyvaichenko also mentioned that he was satisfied with the “intensive” and “well organised” intelligence cooperation with the United States. Other topics of discussion include the relationship between economic hardship and propaganda in the eastern regions, the difficulties Ukraine has had in responding to the Russian threat, and Ukraine’s hopes for help from international monitoring missions.”

  57. 116 PrayerWarriorforObama
    April 22, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Obama, Comforter in Chief: the perpetual demand on a president’s compassion to heal a nation.

  58. April 22, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    “Among the Senator’s {Toomey} PAC contributors were Erie Insurance PAC which gave $5,000 along with $2,500 each from the PACs of Liberty Mutual and Citigroup. Curiously for a Republican, Toomey also received $4,800 from the IBEW Local 98. Additionally, the incumbent was the recipient of $1,000 from KOCHPAC, an organization under the umbrella of uber-political donors Charles and David

  59. April 22, 2014 at 8:31 pm

  60. April 22, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/04/22/the-supreme-court-and-the-reality-of-racial-preferences/

    The Supreme Court says it isn’t their place to decide, and in this one rather narrow case they’re probably right. But the rest of us can.

    ******************************

    for centuries Blk folks have used the courts as an effort to redress issues of racism and discrimination…John Roberts and apparently Sargent as well….they are telling blk folks that you are on your own when it comes to these issues…it is not for the court to decide…

    but…The court has decided…they have decided on the side of those who would discriminate and continue that legacy of institutional racism!

  61. 127 globalcitizenlinda
    April 22, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    tremendous tragedy in Oso


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