106 Responses to “Chat Away”


  1. July 2, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Holy crap – and with one of my favorite photos to view, too!

  2. 14 Vicki
    July 2, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Ericfive and Japa’s comments late on the last thread are worth bringing over if anyone can do that and agrrees with me.

    • 15 hopefruit2
      July 2, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      Wow..as I was in the process of posting Eric’s comment, you and Bob were thinking along the same lines. Now off to read Japa’s comment! :)

  3. 16 hopefruit2
    July 2, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Chips, if you will so allow me, I’m reposting a comment made by EricFive on the previous thread – which I think is very relevant given that we are now in the final six months leading up to the midterms. :)

    A Message From Eric:

    //Silly Season is officially in full swing. Let’s see, Boner initiates bogus lawsuit against PBO which serves to energize Dems, increasing fundraising and inspiring intelligent and impassioned mocking via the “SoSueMe#”. Then the Supreme Court issues a partisan anti-woman decision which served to energize and enrage Dems and make the GOP look like a party out of its time (and mind, next stop, theocracy). So what narrative is the MSM/GOP pushing today? PBO is the worst president ever according to a biased and bogus “poll”. chuck todd cheerily trumpets this bullshit (its the perfect companion to his “PBO’s presidency is over” nonsense from last week, which was “based” on skewed reading of a single poll question in a single poll). The MSM/GOP are feeling the heat, so they create anti-PBO headlines through manipulation (and often misinterpretation) of polls. Propaganda 101. The MSM/GOP are attempting to recreate the mood of 2010, but reality keeps interfering with their objective, so they are relying more and more on strategically timed polls to halt any momentum of the Dems. Trumpeting skewed polls and ignoring or burying news that can be viewed as positive for Dems (or the country) is the current tactic. Unfortunately for the GOP/MSM, this is not 2010. Dems seem more unified and are more angry at the GOP than they are with their own party. PBO is leading the party through both words and deeds. He has no fear of the GOP and is speaking truth. So is Harry Reid, who has really found his voice recently. In short, don’t fall for the propaganda which is designed to depress Dems. The over the top nature of their propagandizing tells me they are desperate, subtlety is out the window as they see their influence in dictating perceptions waning. //

    http://theobamadiary.com/2014/07/02/50th-anniversary-of-the-civil-rights-act/#comment-1070284

  4. 17 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    ha!

  5. 18 hopefruit2
    July 2, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    A Message from Japa:

    // 50 years ago, the Civil Rights Act became law. As LBJ said at the time, doing so lost the South for a generation. (Actually, he underestimated a bit there). Also, the Civil Rights Act led to the GOP Southern Strategy which brought us Ronald Reagan, the President most responsible for much that is wrong in America today.

    Also the Civil Rights Act led, eventually, to the raise of the power of the Cristian Right Wing. The Civil Rights Act led, eventually, to the current Supreme Court and the major attempts by the GOP to undermine voting rights. And I can point out many things wrong in our society which sprung from the reaction to the Civil Rights Act.

    So, was it worth it with all these negatives? Hell, yes.

    For one thing, without it, PBO would not be President today. But there is so much more that would not exist without this having happened 50 years ago. The Civil Rights Act is the antecedent from which flowed many other things, laws to protect workers, women, children, the disabled, the LGTB community and many more.

    But here is another thing. If LBJ had not muscled through the CRA, who knows when anything like it may have been passed. Like the ACA, there is a time to grab for something and if the opportunity isn’t taken, another opportunity might not come around for a long time. We still have a long way to go, and as I have said several times, as a white male, I can only guess at what all the various minorities face.

    But I will say this. A lot of people who really weren’t all that aware of how much racism there was in the country, or who only thought it existed in the South had there eyes opened simply by the reaction to the CRA. And I think a lot more are getting their eyes opened by the reaction to PBO.

    Forward movement is never painless. And if we aren’t willing to endure the pain and the struggles, like jumping through hoops to vote, then we won’t move forward.

    It is one thing to complain about how the obstacles shouldn’t be there, it is another to do things despite the obstacles. And it was the willingness to do things despite the obstacles that ultimately resulted in this day 50 years ago. As has become a theme the last couple days, we owe it to those who endured then, and acted then, to endure now and act now, or, as Pierce put, we will deserve the country and the government that we get. //

    http://theobamadiary.com/2014/07/02/50th-anniversary-of-the-civil-rights-act/#comment-1070341

    • 19 sjterrid
      July 2, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      Thanks hopefruit for bringing EricFive’s and Japa’s comments over to the new thread.

    • 24 GGail
      July 2, 2014 at 3:30 pm

      hf, thanks so much for bringing Japa & Ericfive’s comments over.

      japa – thank you for saying this! “It is one thing to complain about how the obstacles shouldn’t be there, it is another to do things despite the obstacles. And it was the willingness to do things despite the obstacles that ultimately resulted in this day 50 years ago. As has become a theme the last couple days, we owe it to those who endured then, and acted then, to endure now and act now, or, as Pierce put, we will deserve the country and the government that we get.”

    • 26 Dudette
      July 2, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      Everyday I just well up with pride at the wise and thoughtful group of people who inhabit this space.
      Eric and Japa words today make me want to cheer and fill me with hope for our future.

      Bravo gentlemen! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this momentous occasion in history.

  6. 27 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    Good Afternoon TODers ;)

    It’s Wednesday.

    Haven’t read much today.

    7-2-14 WH Presser from Josh “The Voice” Earnest

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?320271-1/white-house-briefing

  7. 28 hopefruit2
    July 2, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    I’m curious: Did any polling org during the GWB Presidency, EVER ask people whether the country would have been better off under Al Gore (betw 2001-2008) or John Kerry (2005-2008) than it was under GWB? Also, were there any poll items from 2001-2008 asking people who they felt was the BEST President ever, or the Best Republican President? Any media comparisons among Bush 43, Bush 41, and Nixon in media polls from 2000-2008?

    Because it seems to me that as of late there has been a ton of relentless and meaningless “poll” comparisons between PBO (who hasn’t finished his term) and Bill Clinton (who was President 20 years ago and couldn’t get his wife elected in the Dem primary 2008), or PBO and Mitt Romney (who has NEVER been President).

    • 29 SUE DUVALL SMITH
      July 2, 2014 at 3:34 pm

      NOONE SHOULD EVER PAY ATTENTION TO POLLS…THEY ARE FIXED BY PARTISAN GROUPS IN AN EFFORT TO STIR THE POT…WE ALL KNOW WHO THE GREATEST AND MOST ACCOMPLISHED PRESIDENT HAPPENS TO BE…THE NAYSAYERS IN THIS OVERLYINDULGENT COUNTRY JUST DON’T WANT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN GUY TO TAKE CREDIT FOR ANYTHING. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND…AND IT WILL.

    • 32 edp4bho
      July 2, 2014 at 4:15 pm

      HF, your point is well taken. You make the case for why these polls are BS and so generated firmly to undermine PBO and to jade the prospects for Democratic control in 2014. This is it in a nutshell.

    • 33 jackiegrumbacher
      July 2, 2014 at 4:32 pm

      Hf. no polls of this sort will ever be done for a Republican president because it’s in the vested interest of the media to protect such presidents. Stupid polls, designed solely to undermine, embarrass or discourage, are only for Democratic presidents who are then supposed to lose support. Unfortunately for the media, their days of influencing Democratic sentiments are gone.

    • 34 Vicki
      July 2, 2014 at 4:35 pm

      propaganda propaganda propaganda
      Tell a Big lie often enough and people start to believe it

  8. 35 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    • 36 dee
      July 2, 2014 at 5:57 pm

      I appreciate the perspective of the article. Even though I had discarded before I read the fine print , so to speak.

  9. 37 Linda
    July 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    BIG SIGH !

    Post-Hobby Lobby, Religious Orgs Want Exemption From LGBT Hiring Order

    The day after the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/religious-groups-lgbt-hiring-hobby-lobby

    • 38 Layla
      July 2, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      Well, then they don’t get government contracts!

    • 42 57andfemale
      July 2, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      This is so disturbing: because what they are asking for is that a new level of deference be shown to religions. It is the Trojan Horse of the RFRA that has now been unleashed by SCOTUS.

      It means that anyone and everyone so inclined are asking for the complete destruction of general applicability, and that turns us into Ayn Rand Land. Seriously.

  10. 43 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    can’t we impeach these idiots on the SCOTUS? Even if it is dkos, this is a must-read:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/02/1311250/-Here-s-that-Hobby-Lobby-slippery-slope-in-nbsp-action#

    • 44 Linda
      July 2, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      I agree with the comment that said …. So….noone is forcing them to bid or take on government contracts….

      • 45 57andfemale
        July 2, 2014 at 3:57 pm

        The ‘logical’ extension of what SCOTUS has unleashed is in the letter: “…Their call, in a letter sent to the White House Tuesday, attempts to capitalize on the Supreme Court case by arguing that it shows the administration must show more deference to the prerogatives of religion.”

        “More deference to the prerogatives of religion.” It’s not about federal contracts, etc. It’s about the SCOTUS saying anybody can place their religion over the law, and that general applicability loses because it does not measure up to the higher standard set in RFRA.

        In a sane world, Congress could fix this. I’m with Charlie Pierce – what the hell does it take to fire up Dems and any thinking citizens to VOTE?

  11. 46 hopefruit2
    July 2, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    • 47 anniebella
      July 2, 2014 at 4:15 pm

      53% age 50+ = Fox news. white 73% =Fox news. 61% conservative GOP/Indy = Fox news. Any wonder why the black guy was the worst President ever. And their saint Ronnie the best. This Quinnipac poll was released to help the Republicans in their agenda to go after President Obama.

      • 48 hopefruit2
        July 2, 2014 at 4:22 pm

        Exactly anniebella, and others are noticing it too…

        • 49 Nena20409
          July 2, 2014 at 4:29 pm

          Those who use the Poll and endlessly use it as News, KNOW darn well why they use. Once that original use is Googleable, then the rest of the Lazy, Lame and Copy and Paste Media go goo-goo gaga.

  12. July 2, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    GREAT new installment of Being Biden:

  13. 51 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    7-1-14 WH presser by Josh “The Voice” Earnest

  14. 52 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    7-2-14 WH presser by Josh “The Voice” Earnest

    34:05 mins in

  15. 53 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Worse president based on what?

    What are the Facts to substantiate the Quinnipiniac Poll? NONE!

    This POTUS has been Polled more than any other POTUS’ before him. FDR was voted in 4 Times.

    50 yrs Civil Rights Act was signed….so the Media pimps a Poll to talk about Opinion poll that is not backed by any fact.

    This time during Reagan, US UE rate was 7.2/3% the Media and Reagan called it Morning In America. Today US UE is 6.3%. Dow is hovering at 17K. Nasdaq is up and S&P 500 is nearing 1900, a Record number. Many have Health Care, affordable. 3.9M jobs are not filled today due too untrained skills. Manufacturing is Up. Auto sales and Home sales are off the charts. Crime is Down. More are graduating from High school. Etc, etc, ect.

  16. 54 jacquelineoboomer
    July 2, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    With a little magnification, just realized that the image of President Obama at the top was taken on my birthday! #IFeelAConnection

  17. July 2, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    I mentioned yesterday that Iowa’s own Zach Wahls is now a White House intern and now I see that HuffPuff has apparently discovered it too (sorry for the link to them, but: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/zach-wahls_n_5551300.html?utm_hp_ref=politics). I thought it was rather an odd headline, but then a lot of their stories have odd features…

  18. July 2, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    • July 2, 2014 at 4:22 pm

      • July 2, 2014 at 4:23 pm

        • July 2, 2014 at 4:27 pm

          It’s not going well for Russia at OSCE ….

          “Russia is trying to play the victim here, but even the OSCE of which Russia is a member, has slammed Russia’s role in Ukraine. Yesterday, the OSCE parliamentarians actually approved a resolution condemning Russia’s actions:

          By a majority of three-to-one, OSCE parliamentarians approved a resolution that condemns Russia’s recent actions in Ukraine during a plenary meeting today at the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly’s 2014 Annual Session Baku.

          Parliamentarians voted by a margin of 92 in favor to 30 against with 27 abstentions on the item, which “condemns the clear, gross and uncorrected violation of the Helsinki principles by the Russian Federation with respect to Ukraine, including the particularly egregious violation of that country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

          Full text of the item is available http://www.oscepa.org/meetings/annual-sessions/2014-baku-annual-session/supplementary-items

          More at: http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/3246

          • July 2, 2014 at 4:27 pm

            Love this tweet ….

            BOOM!!

          • July 2, 2014 at 4:31 pm

            “RESOLUTION ON CLEAR, GROSS AND UNCORRECTED VIOLATIONS OF HELSINKI PRINCIPLES BY THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

            Noting that the Russian Federation is a participating State of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and has therefore committed itself to respect the Principles guiding relations between participating States as contained in the Helsinki Final Act,
            Recalling that those principles include 1) Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty; 2) Refraining from the threat or use of force; 3) Inviolability of frontiers; 4) Territorial integrity of States; 5) Peaceful settlement of disputes; 6) Non intervention in internal affairs; 7) Respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms; 8) Equal rights and self-determination of peoples; 9) Co-operation among States; and 10) Fulfilment in good faith of obligations under international law,
            Recalling also that the Russian Federation is a signatory, along with the United States of America and the United Kingdom, of the December 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, which was made in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons,
            Concluding that the Russian Federation has, since February 2014, violated every one of the ten Helsinki principles in its relations with Ukraine, some in a clear, gross and thus far uncorrected manner, and is in violation with the commitments it undertook in the Budapest Memorandum, as well as other international obligations,
            Emphasizing in particular that the 16 March 2014 referendum in Crimea was held in clear violation of the Constitution of Ukraine and the Constitution of Crimea as an autonomous republic within Ukraine, and was further conducted in an environment that could not be considered remotely free and fair,
            Expressing concern that the Russian Federation continues to violate its international commitments in order to make similarly illegitimate claims in the eastern part of Ukraine, as it has done, and threatens to continue to do, in regard to other participating States,
            Asserting that improved democratic practices regarding free and fair elections, adherence to the rule of law and respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms in the Russian Federation would benefit the citizens of that State but also contribute significantly to stability and confidence among its neighbours, as well as enhance security and co operation among all the participating States,
            Noting the particular vulnerability of Crimean Tatars, Roma, Jews and other minority groups, along with those Ukrainian citizens opposed to the actions undertaken or supported by the Russian Federation, to attacks, harassment and intimidation by Russian supported separatist forces,
            Welcoming the efforts and initiatives of the OSCE to develop a presence in Ukraine, including Crimea, that would support de-escalation of the current situation and monitor and encourage respect for the Helsinki principles, including the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all Ukrainian citizens, as well as the work of the OSCE High Commissioner on National Minorities, the OSCE Representative on Freedom of the Media, and the Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR),

            The OSCE Parliamentary Assembly:

            Condemns the clear, gross and uncorrected violation of the Helsinki principles by the Russian Federation with respect to Ukraine, including the particularly egregious violation of that country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity;
            Condemns the occupation of the territory of Ukraine;
            Considers these actions, which include military aggression as well as various forms of coercion designed to subordinate the rights inherent in Ukraine’s sovereignty to the Russian Federation’s own interests, to have been unprovoked, and to be based on completely unfounded premises and pretexts;
            Expresses unequivocal support for the sovereignty, political independence, unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine as defined by the country’s Constitution and within its internationally recognized borders;
            Affirms the right of Ukraine and all participating States to belong, or not to belong, to international organizations, to be or not to be a party to bilateral or multilateral treaties including the right to be or not to be a party to treaties of alliance, or to neutrality;
            Views the 16 March 2014 referendum in Crimea as an illegitimate and illegal act, the results of which have no validity whatsoever;
            Calls upon all participating States to refuse to recognize the forced annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation;
            Also calls upon all participating States further to support and adhere to mutually agreed and fully justified international responses to this crisis;
            Deplores the armed intervention by forces under the control of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, and the human rights violations that they continue to cause;
            Calls on the Russian Federation to end its intervention in Ukraine and to bring itself into compliance with the Helsinki principles in its relations with Ukraine and with all other participating States;
            Demands that the Russian Federation desist from its provocative military overflights of the Nordic-Baltic region, immediately withdraw its military forces from the borders of the Baltic States and cease its subversive activities within the ethnic Russian populations of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania;
            Supports continued efforts and initiatives of the OSCE to respond to this crisis, and calls on all OSCE states to provide both resources and political support and to allow the OSCE to work unhindered throughout Ukraine, including Crimea;
            Urges the Russian Federation to contribute to regional stability and confidence, generally enhance security and co-operation by engaging its civil society and all political forces in a discussion leading to liberalization of its restrictive laws, policies and practices regarding freedom of the media, freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly and association, and abide by its other commitments as a participating State of the OSCE;
            Encourages Ukraine to remain committed to OSCE norms regarding the building of democratic institutions, adherence to the rule of law and respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms of all its citizens;
            Exhorts the Russian Federation to fully utilize the expertise and assistance of the OSCE and its institutions, including the Parliamentary Assembly, to enact meaningful improvements in its electoral laws and practices;
            Congratulates the people of Ukraine and commends the authorities of that country for successfully holding presidential elections on 25 May 2014 which were conducted largely in line with international commitments and characterized by a high voter turnout despite a challenging political, economic and, in particular, security environment;
            Expresses a continued willingness to provide the substantial assistance to Ukraine in these and other matters at this critical time.”

            http://www.oscepa.org/meetings/annual-sessions/2014-baku-annual-session/2014-baku-final-declaration/1850-06

            Like I said, the #OSCE, of which Russia is a member, just doesn’t dig #TzarVlad ….

            #TrustBarack

            • July 2, 2014 at 4:34 pm

              • July 2, 2014 at 5:42 pm

                Hi Bobfr. Thank you for your detail analysis and truth coming out of Ukraine. I was listening to Thom Hartman this morning and toward the end of his show he had some guy named Prof. Stephen Cohen talking about Ukraine is “killing” his own people, Thom Hartman is saying this is a beginning of another WWIII this guy is saying there are atrocities going on by the Ukrainian president, there are pictures of mangled bodies….blah, blah, why isn’t Putin sending in troops go into Ukraine. Thom Hartman’s 7/2/2014 show is posted on Youtube and around 2:09 of the video is when this Prof. Stephan Cohen starts. He also has an article posted on The Nation. I am surprised Thom has not researched this before putting this guy on the air and letting him talk about why America/PBO is doing nothing???? Do you know anything about this? Can you give us some insight?

                • July 2, 2014 at 7:41 pm

                  Have no idea what the dude is talking about, jojo. Sounds like he works for Tzar Vlad’s propaganda machine. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was a ‘guest expert’ on RT.

                  #TrustBarack

  19. 68 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 4:26 pm

  20. 69 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 4:33 pm

  21. 71 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 4:34 pm

  22. 72 hopefruit2
    July 2, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    Exactly….Facts are our friends. Fantasy should be left for nursery school, sci-fi movies, the bedroom, etc…

  23. 73 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 4:35 pm

  24. 74 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    • 75 Nena20409
      July 2, 2014 at 4:39 pm

      1984 is 30 yrs ago. US was about 255M or so.

      Today US is 317.5M.

      Then less than 12M Latinos. Today Hispanics are 50M. Asian Americans have tripled in population and Muslims have grown in population.

  25. 76 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    “These companies want to elbow their way into doctor’s offices and call the shots on what doctors can and cannot say to Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood employees.”

    “To wit from their Complaint.

    8. The administrative rule at issue in this case (“the Mandate”) runs roughshod
    over the Green family’ s religious beliefs, and the beliefs of millions of other Americans,
    by forcing them to provide health insurance coverage for abortion-inducing drugs and
    devices, as well as related education and counseling.”

    “Related education and counseling” is used throughout the Complaint, which means HL et al. doesn’t want to pay to have to you even talk to your doctor about contraception.

  26. 77 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    Rob Ford, a Mayor in Canada is now admitting that he has taken, consumed to be accurate every kind of drugs. Now he tells the truth? What about the guy that was killed during the investigation……whatever became of that Guy who was killed?

  27. 79 hopefruit2
    July 2, 2014 at 4:52 pm

  28. 82 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 5:05 pm

  29. 83 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Oh, my…… I beat Jovie to this?

  30. 86 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    • 87 MadameSoph
      July 2, 2014 at 5:47 pm

      THANK YOU 57!! Just forwarded this to f&f.

      I am BEYOND pissed off at this poll being pushed on today of all days.

      I’m sorry if I sound conspiratorial, but I can’t help but feel that the release and pushing of this poll attempting to denigrate and diminish the achievements of the first black President on the 50th Anniversary of the Civil Rights Act is not an accident.

      This article is spot on. He is the BEST. No President has done more for equal rights, the economy, working people, women, LGBT, food justice, climate change and on and on and on.

      Oh and Thad Cochran and the rest of the Repubs (and some Dems) who think they can take PBO voters for granted…..you better recognize!

  31. 88 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 5:12 pm

  32. 89 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    An interesting observation over the last few days: Some of my gay friends had been indicating that once marriage equality was on its way, they were done with politics. They got what they wanted. The editor of Windy City Times, a gay publication in Chicago, was on progressive talk awhile back lamenting this – saying that without straight progressives and politicians putting their careers on the line, marriage equality would not have happened (she was speaking of Illinois specifically), and that a progressive should support their candidates whether there was a personal issue or not.

    Hobby Lobby decision went too far – some of these same “I’ve got mine so I’m done” friends are OUTRAGED. In fact, they are screaming the loudest.

    This is a sleeping giant. I hope massive numbers of voters make their voices heard.

    • 90 lockewasright
      July 2, 2014 at 5:44 pm

      From your lips to the ears of at least one of the deities that I don’t believe in.

      • 91 57andfemale
        July 2, 2014 at 5:50 pm

        I was raised that it was all mythical with lessons. never was I taught that any of this Iron Age mythology was literal. Thank God for my Jewish upbringing.

        • 92 lockewasright
          July 2, 2014 at 5:55 pm

          I was raised a jew too. I told my dad right after my bar mitzvah that I would not be attending hebrew school anymore and that it was my call to make as I was a bar mitzvah’d “man” now. That was when he first let me know that he was a “cultural jew”, but not a believer either.

          • 93 57andfemale
            July 2, 2014 at 6:07 pm

            It was all about culture, never about literal deities. Now, the culture was very important to my parents. My mother explored all other religions, looking for answers when my 11 year old sister died of an aneurysm. She continued to search for true spirituality her entire life. This current b.s. would turn her stomach.

            And as a cultural Jew, I know discrimination when I see it, and this is what this is. The establishment of corporations to use religion to ignore the commons – anathema to what this country stands for.

    • 94 0388jojothecat
      July 2, 2014 at 5:54 pm

      Now we know…whatever gains are made today you better keep voting to make sure these gains can not be overturned. Look at the Voting Rights Act, look at the Civil Rights Act, look at anything that helps a small segment of society. The money interest don’t give a rats ass about your gains because it does not affect them in fact it offends them. They will do everything in their power to undo anything that does not help them. They have been slowly undoing FDR’s policies and unless you keep voting DEMs into office to stop them you can look up and there is a GOP President, House, and Senate that will undo marriage equality and never to be reversed. They are already thinking of ways through the SCOTUS court now to overturn marriage equality through religion freedom.

      • 95 lockewasright
        July 2, 2014 at 5:57 pm

        This is an important point that should be repeated for ever and every in print and by voice. Nothing is static in this system and gains must be preserved actively.

        • 96 0388jojothecat
          July 2, 2014 at 6:14 pm

          I registered to vote when I turned 18yrs old because I know that this was a great gift in 1972 when constitution was changed to allow 18yr olds to vote. I have voted and thought that was all I needed to do. Since PBO I now know that is just the minimum. We have to register people, go door to door and talk to registered and unregistered people about the importance of voting and getting involved. Who we elect is for President is important but is almost more important to have House and Senate too to protect what we have and to move our country forward. The GOP are not stupid they know getting people to think that religious freedoms are at stake if Corporate owners can’t exercise their religion over you especially if they are providing it to you as compensation for your labor. Since this only affects women I hear men screaming that women should just pay for their own BC. The only problem is when a corporation’s religious rights affects THEM or their family. What about the corporation who is against blood transfusions, or other life saving procedures that is against their religion.

      • 97 57andfemale
        July 2, 2014 at 6:03 pm

        Thank you. That is an excellent frame: You think your rights are safe? I will use that.

    • July 2, 2014 at 9:57 pm

      those in the gay rights movement had better look again….rights won have to be defended…ask those in the women’s rights movement as well as the civil rights movement

      • 99 57andfemale
        July 3, 2014 at 10:28 am

        absolutely. I have been pleasantly surprised by these particular friends.

        Most of my gay friends are full-fledged progressives, and fight for any and all progressive issues. It was a few – both male and female – who apparently were indicative of a bit of a trend. So I was thrilled to see this response.

        My one friend, who can be a selfish son of a bitch, was clear: he has nieces whose lives are impacted. he comes from a crazy Catholic family: I had to pick him up when he was back in chicago at his mother’s house in 2012: there was a 6-foot sign screaming about religious ‘liberty’, a huge Confederate flag and a huge Joe Walsh campaign sign. It’s been hard for him to survive – but he is close to his sisters and their children and came to realize quite quickly that rights can vanish.

  33. 100 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/bill-kristol-katrina-vanden-heuvel-is-crassest-kind-of-selfish-liberal/

    If you are defeated in a debate and late at another forum name call the one who whooped your arse,…….Who again is Crassest? Hmm? Kristol is perhaps a tiny person?

  34. July 2, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    JUSTICE SAMUEL ALITO IS ……..

    In a partisan league of his own

    By Steve Benen

    ————————–

    On Monday morning, around 10 a.m. ET, much of the nation’s political and legal world turned to Scotusblog to learn the outcome of two of the year’s biggest Supreme Court cases. Moments later, the blog told us that Justice Samuel Alito was deliver both rulings.

    And it was at this point that everyone immediately knew that conservatives had won both cases.
    .
    .
    Millhiser indictment on Alito’s partisanship, his activism, his reliance on a raw political perspective, his desire to be “a corporation’s best friend,” makes a persuasive case and is worth checking out.

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    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/partisan-league-his-own

  35. 102 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 5:47 pm

  36. 103 vcprezofan2
    July 2, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    Mmmmm. What shall I chat about? Can’t decide, but I’m baaaack.

  37. 105 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    LOL! :-D


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