This is so heartbreaking it makes me want to weep for the level of inhumanity and barbarism to which so many countries are now descending. I have lost all respect for Israel. There is no possible explanation or justification for this carnage. This is a world gone mad.
I find the inhumanity behind this staggering. How do they justify this unrelenting attack, and how can one side not hate the other when you have to deal with unending loss, unending war and unending fear and restriction of movement? It’s bound to kill something in you if you cannot be allowed to live and move and enjoy life.
Your comment, VC, solidified something I’ve been thinking for more than a decade and I managed to condense it to 140 characters ….
Dear @AmbassadorRice @JohnKerry It's time to consider citizens of Israel & Palestine to be suffering chronic PTSD & intervene accordingly.
— Bobfr (@Our4thEstate) July 20, 2025
… doubt if it will ever matter, but the fact is these people have hated each other for so many hundreds of years that each generation emerges from the womb swimming in hatred. And, then they spend every single day waiting for the next IED or rocket or whatever to vaporize them.
It’s difficult to negotiate complex issues with folk who are whole, well rested, motivated to achieve a reasonable outcome. To expect folk suffering from chronic PTSD (when the ‘post traumatic’ part is constantly recycling due to yet another traumatic event) is totally out of touch with reality.
In many ways I agree with what Jim Wright most recently published at his blog. The only hope is that somehow, as in fact the Irish did, they decide to stop slaughtering each other. Once that decision is made, if ever, then everyone with a clue should recognize that it will take DECADES to ameliorate the societal and individual symptoms of PTSD.
Bob & vc, I said something like this a couple of threads back - where generation after generation passes the hatred on. Even here in LA at a protest, it was only a matter of time, when violence broke out - why?????
Bob, I am very moved by your wise and compassionate comment. I hadn’t even thought of the effect of PTSD. Your perspective would help many to understand. Thank you!
Everyone!! Slurpin’ numerous Marble Brewery IPAs here in ABQ.! (only seventy-thirty here :) ) Makin’ BABY A** Bok Choys ‘n’ some….frozen apetizerssss from Costco!
:) HAHAHAHA You made me lol…. I thought you were sleeping or cleaning for your sister or something! Is it time to get up already? You don’t need much sleep, do you? No, not talking like Danny….(does look that way!) Do you have bok choy?
Haven’t had that problem with Flash player on FF in quite a while, amk. I’d suggest you delete the application (and, any old versions you may still have on your hard drive) and then do a re-install of the latest version.
amk, I’m on 30.0 with zero problems with Flash. Have very few customization requirements as I primarily use FF merely to have several (as in a dozen or more) tabs open at the same time.
The world is a crazy place right now…What can the people of the world do to make those in power stop and take notice? What can millions of us do to make a statement? I say we choose a day to lock arms/ hold hands and make them hear us. No more . We’ve had enough. Can we make this or similar action, happen worldwide?
Well…something like that…yes. In communities big and small, countries all over the world do the same…we just all say, in unison, ENOUGH. How do we go about doing this?
Well, off the top of my head…our Congressmembers are off in the month of August, we could contact them to arrange a movement of this type, then put it on twitter like those rave parties are arranged, then notify the favorite radio stations and see what happens.
All good ideas:) Let’s bring this up again tomorrow when more TOD’ers are awake and see how many more ideas we can add to this list. We have to do ALL of them, I think…to make this work.
DF…I do not know whjat we can about this situation…Stonekettle’s argument is very powerful…but are we not enablers of the violence by continuing our unconditional military support of Israel
What
Noooooooooooooooo way!!!!!!! :lol:
Hahahahahaha - got cha!
Hic.
Congrats GGail😃😃
Whooo Hooooo!!! Danny brought me good luck (doing the Happy Dance) GOOOOAAAALLLLLLLLLLL
I am sooooo fortunate that I landed on the bestest post EVA!!!
He did the opposite for me! I was still over there until seconds ago, arguing with him! Congrats!
{{{vc}}}
I feel so helpless that I’m trying not to focus on this situation. The sadness overwhelms me
I know GGail, I feel the same way. Imagine how full our President’s heart is..
This is so heartbreaking it makes me want to weep for the level of inhumanity and barbarism to which so many countries are now descending. I have lost all respect for Israel. There is no possible explanation or justification for this carnage. This is a world gone mad.
And the missiles keep dropping on them Jackie, night after friggin’ night, and not a single voice in power speaks out for them.
I want to yell STOP, PLEASE STOP!
I find the inhumanity behind this staggering. How do they justify this unrelenting attack, and how can one side not hate the other when you have to deal with unending loss, unending war and unending fear and restriction of movement? It’s bound to kill something in you if you cannot be allowed to live and move and enjoy life.
Your comment, VC, solidified something I’ve been thinking for more than a decade and I managed to condense it to 140 characters ….
… doubt if it will ever matter, but the fact is these people have hated each other for so many hundreds of years that each generation emerges from the womb swimming in hatred. And, then they spend every single day waiting for the next IED or rocket or whatever to vaporize them.
It’s difficult to negotiate complex issues with folk who are whole, well rested, motivated to achieve a reasonable outcome. To expect folk suffering from chronic PTSD (when the ‘post traumatic’ part is constantly recycling due to yet another traumatic event) is totally out of touch with reality.
In many ways I agree with what Jim Wright most recently published at his blog. The only hope is that somehow, as in fact the Irish did, they decide to stop slaughtering each other. Once that decision is made, if ever, then everyone with a clue should recognize that it will take DECADES to ameliorate the societal and individual symptoms of PTSD.
Bob & vc, I said something like this a couple of threads back - where generation after generation passes the hatred on. Even here in LA at a protest, it was only a matter of time, when violence broke out - why?????
Bob, I am very moved by your wise and compassionate comment. I hadn’t even thought of the effect of PTSD. Your perspective would help many to understand. Thank you!
Everyone!! Slurpin’ numerous Marble Brewery IPAs here in ABQ.! (only seventy-thirty here :) ) Makin’ BABY A** Bok Choys ‘n’ some….frozen apetizerssss from Costco!
Yum!!!!!!!!!!!
magapie, I only understand a word here and there, but I gather you’re enjoying something :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Baby ass bok choys? Do tell! I LOVE bok choy:)
why are you talking like danny?
:) HAHAHAHA You made me lol…. I thought you were sleeping or cleaning for your sister or something! Is it time to get up already? You don’t need much sleep, do you? No, not talking like Danny….(does look that way!) Do you have bok choy?
Went to bed at 3.15 am. Got up at 7 am. Waiting for sis and the gang to wake up.
wth is bok choy?
Yummy Chinese cabbage:) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cabbage
those chinese. damn them. they are everywhere.
:)
Glad you saw John’s tweet that I posted in the previous thread, amk. Hope others do, as well.
Wishing you and the family a fun day together!!
Question Bob. Having multiple adobe flash crashes now. Flash player is up to date (at least per FF). Any solution?
Buy a new computer?
PS I’m having those crashes too, so come on Bob: fix it for us.
If only you had sent me all the money (no, the real one) you owe me, I could afford to buy a new one.
Haven’t had that problem with Flash player on FF in quite a while, amk. I’d suggest you delete the application (and, any old versions you may still have on your hard drive) and then do a re-install of the latest version.
I am on FF 24.0. Tried the later ones but uninstalled them due to reduced customization options.
Chips, that corona didn’t have enough disc space for Flash let alone Firefox!!! :D :D :D :D
Cryyyyyyyying!!!! :lol:
amk, I’m on 30.0 with zero problems with Flash. Have very few customization requirements as I primarily use FF merely to have several (as in a dozen or more) tabs open at the same time.
okthx. Will try it. fingers & toes crossed.
Go for it, amk!!!
Chips … :D :D :D :D
Can I have both ff 24 and 30 at the same time? Or is it one or the other fracking option?
You’re a machine. That’s like a nap for me!
sleep - I can take it or leave it.
I love it. Work hard, sleep hard. Something.
Only four hours, 15 minutes’ sleep?
Freaky. You’re the Margaret Thatcher of TOD.
4h15m ? danny’s math?
Seems we gotta give danny a 30 min margin of error, amk :D :D :D :D
I blame bt. Passed on her math skillz to the boy.
Likely!!!! :D :D :D :D
Hush, I’m busy
I have that exact same calculator! It’s gigantic!!
:lol: I hope it works better than mine, DF!!
I count 3 hrs 45 min. Tell me you have a good accountant
Huh, like I didn’t know that.
:lol:
**Mr. CoolL*** he is so damn fine!!! Love him..
elizabeth, I hope you too are enjoying the music and the pic!
Thanks for delurking :-)
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! No shit…when I clicked on the new thread, I jumped and that came out of my mouth. I need a drink.
GGail….I put this up for you. Good song for this pic…but change “lady” to MAN. As George Takai would say, ” Oh, my!!”
Gurl df -this is PURRRFECTTTT! Thanks :-)
Excuse me while I scroll back up to look at the pic while listening to your choice of music - yummmm
We are DEFINITELY on the same page:) Another one?
Listen and look…you have to admit, that Puppy song is looooooong gone now!
Puppy song? what puppy song???
Between you and Bob, I am in a nice state of mind (oh and the pic helps too) :-)
My job is done! {{GGail}}
I ain’t mad at you at all df, but I think that pic moved you too! This song tells it all - LOL!!!
I don’t think you’re mad at me:) Not all all! Glad I could make you smile
{{{{{df}}}}}
Congrats on 1st, Gail!!
This seems to fit the moment …
#FORWARD Together
Oh yes Bob!! Indeed!
Well, that made me cry
:)
One more. Got an Isley Bros thing tonight, I guess:) Brings me back…
DF!!! that’s classic Isley. Foot tapping, harmonizing good music - that has a message. Ok, now you got me singing and playing air drums/guitar :D
:) Dudette is the QUEEN, for sure…but I’ve been paying attention! Good stuff. Good stuff!
Music Queen Dudette would be very proud of you! Thank you df :-)
Good night everyone
Rest well, Layla. Thank you!
That requires an “Oh Myyyy!”
So true Bob!
Amen.
The world is a crazy place right now…What can the people of the world do to make those in power stop and take notice? What can millions of us do to make a statement? I say we choose a day to lock arms/ hold hands and make them hear us. No more . We’ve had enough. Can we make this or similar action, happen worldwide?
df, you mean something like that “we are the world” video where people linked hands around the world? Or was it the Coke commercial?
Well…something like that…yes. In communities big and small, countries all over the world do the same…we just all say, in unison, ENOUGH. How do we go about doing this?
Well, off the top of my head…our Congressmembers are off in the month of August, we could contact them to arrange a movement of this type, then put it on twitter like those rave parties are arranged, then notify the favorite radio stations and see what happens.
Just a rough idea…
All good ideas:) Let’s bring this up again tomorrow when more TOD’ers are awake and see how many more ideas we can add to this list. We have to do ALL of them, I think…to make this work.
okay sweetie
Thanks!
Israel has been committing war crimes and our media by and large ignores it. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/communitys-consensus-committing.html
Horrible. I’m getting to the point of thinking like this:
http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/07/an-eye-for-eye-in-country-of-blind.html
My question the other night was would they talk to one another if Gaza had its own Iron Dome….
Very good question df
I totally concur-excellent question. I’m beyond fed up with Israel in this mess.
DF…I do not know whjat we can about this situation…Stonekettle’s argument is very powerful…but are we not enablers of the violence by continuing our unconditional military support of Israel
Keep chattin’!
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/07/19/keep-chattin-14/