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Sunday, Bloody Sunday

The indiscriminate bombing of Gaza


125 Responses to “Sunday, Bloody Sunday”


  1. July 20, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    • 5 jackiegrumbacher
      July 20, 2014 at 5:06 pm

      This level of destruction is a CHOICE on Israeli’s part. It goes way beyond retaliation for Hamas and has entered some level of obscene cruelty for its own sake. There is more at risk for Israeli than it may imagine with this level of carnage. They are in danger of losing their souls.

      • 6 nospin
        July 20, 2014 at 7:36 pm

        “This level of destruction is a CHOICE on Israeli’s part. It goes way beyond retaliation for Hamas and has entered some level of obscene cruelty for its own sake.”

        Exactly jackiegrumbacher. And until more of us start to speak out against this atrocity it will only continue. At minimum we should demand no US funding for this carnage. Let Israel foot its own bill.

  2. July 20, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    End of last thread:

    This is not good……never ending cycle of destruction/death. Hamas has no regard for Palestinian civilians put in harms way, Bibi under the guise of “limited operation to destroy tunnels” (which I think is entirely legitimate) went far beyond that immediately, and god knows how much worse it is going to get… if that is even imaginable.

    • July 20, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      This could all be propaganda as well:

      • 9 Vicki
        July 20, 2014 at 5:04 pm

        Yes. sorry I repeated this point below. i hate that hamas is celebrating a kidnap.

        • 10 jackiegrumbacher
          July 20, 2014 at 5:09 pm

          Both sides are dripping with blood and hatred, Vicki. It is a world gone mad. IF there is a captured soldier all sorts of horrible things will be done to him in the never ending cycle of revenge. We are going backwards in time at this moment to when human life was cheap and there were no rules of war.

        • 11 Jeff
          July 20, 2014 at 5:25 pm

          I hate that Israel is cheering while launching missiles against Palestinians.

        • July 20, 2014 at 6:32 pm

          Soldiers in a theater of war are captured not kidnapped. Using the word kidnapped conveys the impression that the soldier, who was in Gaza Killing Palestinians, is an innocent person. This is pure manipulation of language to reinforce the idea that Palestinians in Gaza, who are defending their land from Israeli invasion are terrorists.

  3. 13 desertflower
    July 20, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Chilling pic

  4. 14 GGail
    July 20, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    That’s it, I’m doped up on allergy medication and don’t believe this!

  5. July 20, 2014 at 4:20 pm

  6. 16 GGail
    July 20, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    Israel is hiding behind the relationship with the US and refuses to come to a cease-fire and continue peace negotiations. Yesterday, someone here asked, “what if Gaza had an Iron Dome”. My heart goes out to PBO.

    • 17 desertflower
      July 20, 2014 at 4:39 pm

      Hey GGail…I asked that question and I think that things would be far different if they did have their own version of an Iron Dome. In fact, there’s no question in my mind that it might be a game changer. There is unequal footing right now, Israel having the benefit of Iron Dome mostly protecting them and their civilian population from ever suffering from a bomb landing in one of their neighborhoods…and that is a good thing. It is NOT a good thing when they are lobbing bombs onto the homes and neighborhoods of Palestinians…knowing that they themselves are virtually protected from a counter- bombing from Gaza in retaliation of the bombing from Israel that has just wiped out entire families. And on and on and on and on it goes…… security that one has that the other doesn’t…because they are friends and allies does not mean (SHOULD NOT MEAN) that they get to kill indiscriminately with billions provided by our tax dollars to protect them…a precondition to ANY MORE FUNDS…should be sitting down together and reaching some sort of long term agreement that they both can adhere to….it will not happen, I fear. Some people just want war and fear.

  7. 20 Nena20409
    July 20, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    • 21 GGail
      July 20, 2014 at 4:33 pm

      It should be addressed as such

      • 22 jackiegrumbacher
        July 20, 2014 at 5:12 pm

        Agree and I hope it is. The US will be put in an awful position and no matter what we do or say, the president will be blamed.

    • 23 nospin
      July 20, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      ” accusing #Israel of “crimes against humanity”.

      I don’t think it is an accusation if it is based on fact and from my perspective, it is a fact.

      The United States of America should not be funding this war.

  8. 24 Nena20409
    July 20, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Another Gold for GGail ;)

  9. 26 Nena20409
    July 20, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    • 27 hopefruit2
      July 20, 2014 at 4:43 pm

      I would rather that these images of individuals be not posted or retweeted. When spread through social media and other Internet forums, it actually has the opposite effect in that it desensitizes people to the pain and suffering of others. I don’t think PBO needs ABC news to propagandize this in order to shove crap in his face about “his children.” He KNOWS what he’s dealing with.

      • 28 GGail
        July 20, 2014 at 4:51 pm

        Just capitalizing on the sympathy of the people who watch msm and don’t understand the full story.

      • 29 Nena20409
        July 20, 2014 at 4:55 pm

        I hear you. I should have added a warning as I did yesterday with one post of the remains of those perished from HP 17. Any of TOD’s bts may delete the above twitpic.

        I try to post tweets with stories attached.

      • 30 vcprezofan2
        July 20, 2014 at 5:17 pm

        Good point about desensitization, Hopef. Also, IMO messages like these ought to be addressed to Netanyahu and *his* government as they are the ones who voted/chose to escalate in this manner! I didn’t read it but would like to think @ABC addressed this aspect of the situation in their article.

      • 31 Jeff
        July 20, 2014 at 5:55 pm

        kids getting killed is propaganda… Who knew.

    • July 20, 2014 at 4:47 pm

      Both sides are wrong!

      • 34 Vicki
        July 20, 2014 at 5:07 pm

        Gaza with a terrible shortage of cement and other building materials could have allocated scarce resources a lot better.
        Say, schools with bomb shelters, for example.
        Hospitals with shelters.
        Tunnels to enter Israel?!? Not good.

        • 35 vcprezofan2
          July 20, 2014 at 5:23 pm

          Do you know the rationale behind them tunneling into Israel – to kill or to loot? I mean, 6 tunnels are a lot.

          • 36 Vicki
            July 20, 2014 at 6:01 pm

            The tunnels are for surprise attacks against Israel.

            • 37 vcprezofan2
              July 20, 2014 at 6:12 pm

              And so many are needed?

              Seems to me though (as armchair security adviser) Israel could just scout out tunnels, then wait at their end for whoever is coming through. At least then they would be targeting those actually engaged in battle.

              • July 20, 2014 at 6:24 pm

                The bombing of innocents is to invoke terror in the Palestinian People…although they live daily with the threat of violence and terror….

                I am so reminded of LLs earlier essay

                The only path forward, the only path which ensures my survival, and the survival of this wondrous civilization which allows my words to be transmitted around the world, is to guarantee my neighbor’s survival, and not only her survival, but her thriving. Only the recognition that we are all worthy of life and respect will stop this slide into disaster. Anything less and the future holds only darkness…

                and of JackieG’s words….

                This level of destruction is a CHOICE on Israeli’s part. It goes way beyond retaliation for Hamas and has entered some level of obscene cruelty for its own sake. There is more at risk for Israeli than it may imagine with this level of carnage. They are in danger of losing their souls

                • July 20, 2014 at 6:35 pm

                  I think it has a lot to do with Bibi doing everything possible to end the peace process.

                  • July 20, 2014 at 6:47 pm

                    although i do not know a lot about the historical issues of the region…i do know that Israel has superior arms than the Palestinians…and they are allied with the US…despite the fact the Netanyahu has shown many a disdain for our President…and now we know from Netanyahu’s own words that he does not believe in a 2-state peace agreement,,,

                    so where does that leave the Palestinian people….

                • 41 vcprezofan2
                  July 20, 2014 at 6:44 pm

                  Pf58, I confess I am woefully ignorant about the history of the situation, BUT my feeling is that the leaders of these nations/groups in the 21st C ought to be smart enough to accept that it’s time to come to a compromise. I mean, how many more of their own people have to sacrifice their lives, and for what – a never-ending war?

              • 42 Vicki
                July 20, 2014 at 6:28 pm

                No. The exits were hidden well enough to prevent detection.
                Prior to the ground invasion by israel Hamas was on media promising surprises for the israeli army. Now we know what at least some of the surprises are.

                • 43 Vicki
                  July 20, 2014 at 6:30 pm

                  This reply is to VC—armchair security adviser

                • 44 vcprezofan2
                  July 20, 2014 at 6:34 pm

                  What does one say confronted with two peoples determined to wipe each other out? I really don’t know, Vicki.

                  • 45 Vicki
                    July 20, 2014 at 6:44 pm

                    say “Trustbarack”

                    • 46 vcprezofan2
                      July 20, 2014 at 6:53 pm

                      I do, Vicki. I do #TrustBarack. I may make comments that @ABC (or any media) should not be blaming PBO for the deaths (and I believe that), but between us, I am so awaiting how he and his admin will intervene to set a better path for this area. I DO NOT LIKE Bibi, as I see him as another McCain-type. I do not ‘know’ Abbas. However, even without thorough knowledge of the history I can see that something needs to be done. People can’t ‘live’ in constant war.

    • 47 nospin
      July 20, 2014 at 7:53 pm

      They should continue to post those pictures. Every damn day, all day. Send it to the US with the hashtag #Thinkofyourchildren

  10. 49 Nena20409
    July 20, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    In the richest nation in the world?

    We are just 318.5M? China is 1.3B plus and India is 1.1B plus…..

    C’mon America!

  11. July 20, 2014 at 4:48 pm

  12. 51 Vicki
    July 20, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    Al Jazeera is now posting helpful facts about the suffering in Gaza:
    900,000 out of 1.9 million people have no water or sanitation
    50,000 people displaced from their homes
    Electrical power to 80% of the population is limited to 4 hours a day. (Many people have zero electricity. Lines were damaged and will not be repaired until the end of the war.)
    We are a fact-based community so accurate info will be helpful for us.
    ——————————————————————————————
    The kidnap of an israeli soldier is horrible and I think inexcusable. I’m hoping it may not be true. There are claims that the soldier hamas claims to have is one of the 13 killed earlier today.

    If it was in the power of our President to stop the firing immediately he would have done it.
    I believe that PBO and SOS Kerry are doing everything they can now to bring peace.
    They are not magicians.

    Our team is also attempting to return the Malaysian flight victims to their families and point the finger on who exactly is to blame. The prospect for success there is pretty good, i think.

    • July 20, 2014 at 6:44 pm

      Once again, Vicki, I beg to differ with your use of the term “kidnapping” in reference to a captured Israel soldier. The soldier was part of an Israeli invading army which is killing hundreds of Palestinians. He is not an innocent person. In a war, soldiers are captured and they become prisoners of war.

      • 53 Vicki
        July 20, 2014 at 9:39 pm

        I agree nath. Captured is accurate.

        • July 21, 2014 at 4:06 am

          Thank you, Vicki! We must be alert to the way language is manipulated to characterize people and events in order to evoke different emotions! The person who started tweeting about a kidnapped Israeli soldier wanted to arouse the emotion that Palestinians, and members of Hamas in particular, are terrorists. While they can be captured, Israelis soldiers who invaded Gaza, if they are captured must be referred to as kidnapped people! That’s because Israelis, unlike Palestinians, are not terrorists. I have never heard of a captured soldier, during an on going war, being referred to as a kidnapped person!

  13. 55 desertflower
    July 20, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    Maureen Dowd is still an idiot. Just sayin’.

    • July 20, 2014 at 5:15 pm

      She is the worst.

      I understand pundits making their living using snark, but her comments are too personal, and she is downright mean and belittling.

      IMO, she is the worst of the worst of NYT columnists. Richard Cohen is WaPo’s worst, for his willful ignorance — but he’s not nasty like MoDo. Ugh.

  14. July 20, 2014 at 5:06 pm

  15. 67 cluny
    July 20, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    What is happening in Gaza is criminal. Israel is a rogue state and the US is just as culpable for arming them to the teeth. And the only way this cyclical carnage is ever going to stop is if the US voters inform themselves of the ins and outs/history of the situation and then vote accordingly – effectively neutralising the power of the Israeli lobby. Until then Israel will do as it pleases. As someone, here, noted in an earlier post Hamas are Palestinians too – they are fighting like guerillas – they won’t stop since it’s the only form of resistance they have. Bibi knows this. They’re not wild eyed terrorists – they’re teachers, doctors and make up a great deal of the Palestinian intelligentsia. They fight like this (Davis vs Golliath style) because it helps them in a total war (hearts and minds) scenario. Israel will never win against this type of resistance and they know it. Bibi doesn’t want peace, or more importantly, a 2 state solution (he has now publicly admitted this) and at the root of it all is the question of settlements. Since the US allows Israel to do as it pleases – well it just won’t end … This is an ugly fact but it’s true. I feel very badly for PBO because the knowledge of what is happening on the ground in Gaza must be unbearable but I feel worse for those innocent, slaughtered Palestinians. And the UN is totally useless. They should be screaming from the rooftops about all of this. People need to be out in the streets protesting all of this.

  16. 68 desertflower
    July 20, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    It makes me shutter. WTH is wrong with people?

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2014_07/everything_is_entertainment051288.php

    Sky News has apologized after a reporter began digging through the luggage of a passenger killed aboard Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on air.
    The reporter, Colin Brazier, began picking through a victim’s suitcase and holding up items one by one while reporting on the devastating crash, which killed 298 people. Brazier realized his own wrongdoing and stopped himself on live TV, stating, “we shouldn’t really be doing this, I suppose.”

    Prerequisite for Rupert? Clueless, tasteless? It’s SUPPOSED to be a crime scene I thought…

  17. July 20, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    No defense of what Israel is doing in Gaza towards civilians, but let us also remember that Hamas rejected the cease fire deal that was put forward by Egypt a couple of days ago and continued to shoot missiles down on Israel. None of this needed to happen, both sides share blame.

    • 72 cluny
      July 20, 2014 at 5:25 pm

      Both sides are not equally to blame. Israel knew Hamas would reject the cease fire proposal since Hamas’ only choice was to reject the proposal (J Cole explains this very well in an article liked to on TOD just the other day). Saying both sides are to blame is the same as saying both parties in Congress are responsible for the gridlock. It simple isn’t true. I’m sorry but you need to better inform yourself about what is going on there and why. You are getting your information from mainstream news sites who pulled off 2 journalists for accurately reporting facts on the ground. Its all goes back to the question of settlements – please read about this if you have the time and inclination.

    • 73 Jeff
      July 20, 2014 at 5:27 pm

      Hamas has good reason to reject the deal because Israel had plans on doing a ground invasion anyway.

    • 75 anniebella
      July 20, 2014 at 5:31 pm

      One question, do Hamas hate Israel more then they care about those kids? It’s terrible about the kids, it’s was terrible about the three Jews teenagers being kidnapped and kill, it was terrible about the Palestine kid who was beaten and kill. 13 Israel soldiers killed.

      • 76 cluny
        July 20, 2014 at 5:38 pm

        I think, Anniebella, that what Hamas are fighting for is long term care of their kids – food, basic sanitation and services, education, basic economic security and a life not lived under Israeli oppression, economic devastation and humiliation (as they currently live now). It seems incomprehensible to us, i suppose, but clearly they feel they must sacrifice now to have any chance of creating a sovereign state in the future. That’s why Israel can’t win long term and why what they’re doing now is so stupid.

  18. 82 anniebella
    July 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    Are the right wing praising Putin now?

  19. 83 vcprezofan2
    July 20, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Shared without comment

  20. July 20, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    “At 18:55 this evening Prime Minister Mark Rutte outlined the latest developments concerning the air disaster in Ukraine. ‘Yesterday and today Frans Timmermans and I spoke to many of the players involved in repatriating the victims’ remains,’ said Mr Rutte. ‘It was agreed that the Netherlands would coordinate the international effort to identify the victims.'”

  21. 91 desertflower
    July 20, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    This is not living. This is surviving…by your fingernails.

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/dodging-personal-survival.html

  22. 92 dotster3
    July 20, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    I admit to being sick of all parties there——with this ongoing insane brutality—–each side cheering the death and destruction of the other. It’s back to barbaric times——the lions vs. the Christians——-blood thirsty beasts, all of them. Why adults with working brain cells—–and a speck of decency—- cannot solve differences in a way other than this is impossible to fathom. The real horror to me is all the innocent children being slaughtered and injured or affected for life by this uncontrolled hatred——to say nothing of seeing parents and sometimes whole families killed before their eyes——damaged forever, assuring hostilities into the future.
    And I have always wondered if I will ever see the day when every politician, no matter the party, does not have to begin every campaign speech—1st or 2nd sentence—–with his/her defense of Israel. I always think it would be so odd if we heard the same about any other country in the world—-I support Spain and its right to defend itself—–or I support Bahrain…. or I support Kenya….or Finland…. or Lichtenstein….etc. etc.
    Change needed.

    • 93 Vicki
      July 20, 2014 at 6:08 pm

      Spectacular point, dotster. The obligatory declaration of dedication to defense of Israel. My guess is that is how Candidates and Politicians insure their campaign funding.

      Our MIC and economy are very closely tied to Israel.

    • 96 Cindy
      July 20, 2014 at 6:35 pm

      Well stated dotster3,

      My, my, my, this is unbelievably horrific. I went out for 2 hours to teach and just finished catching up, and it looks like no end in sight.

      Today, I listened to Bibi tell George Stephanopoulos that he was grateful for the US support in this, and without hearing anything else, in that moment, I felt sick.

      I felt like he was saying that we support this evil that is being carried out, and we are funding this blood bath that continues to destroy humanity; I want no part in such hate ever, and yet it felt that I was participating when he said, he was grateful for the US support.

      What is going to make this stop?

      • 97 Vicki
        July 20, 2014 at 6:42 pm

        Bibi is doing the same maneuver that Chuck Toad does with his polls, Cindy.
        Presenting his wishes/hopes as if they were facts. As if they are true in any way.

        • 98 Cindy
          July 20, 2014 at 6:54 pm

          Hi Vicki,
          Hope that you are having a beautiful Sunday, if at all possible.

          It’s so overwhelming Vicki, this hate seems like a generational curse that has no ending, every generation must payback for the last one, creating a perpetual war of bloodshed.

          I remember seeing a movie (comical) years ago; Hatfield and McCoys, and at the end of all the fighting, no one was sure why they were fighting. Obviously, this is real but something has to be done. To see pictures of children, families, and so much bloodshed is overwhelming for the spirit and soul. How can a child grow not hating, in conditions like these?

      • 100 nospin
        July 20, 2014 at 8:00 pm

        “I felt like he was saying that we support this evil that is being carried out, and we are funding this blood bath that continues to destroy humanity”

        That is exactly what this looks like we are doing. We need to stop funding this war.

  23. 101 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    July 20, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    Good evening, TOD. Just watched Rev Barber’s Netroots speech; trust me, it is WORTH an hour of your time.

    Now off to read from the top.

  24. July 20, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    Finally caught up with today’s news reports on the casualties in Gaza, eg a father watching as medics tried to save his little girl’s life, but failed. It seems like these people haven’t a single friend in power, so the slaughter goes on and on and on. I truly hate this fucking world.

    • July 20, 2014 at 6:17 pm

      Forces for good and evil, on a global scale, have never been more immediate and stark. The one thing I know I must do is absolutely everything possible to provide President Obama with a Dem-controlled House and Senate. The fate of humanity truly depends on that being the outcome on 4 Nov 2014.

      BTW Chips, the interview linked in this tweet is an absolute must read and would make excellent R&S material.

      Hang in there friend, we have much to do, together.

      #TrustBarack

      #OWNthe114th

    • 107 Vicki
      July 20, 2014 at 6:38 pm

      Chips!
      You have created a relatively safe haven here.
      The whole world is not crazy.
      There will be better days ahead. Even for Gaza.

      Re-read Nathan Thrall’s piece and recall that there is a door out of this nightmare and have some faith that the door will be located.
      We have PBO and SOS Kerry on the job. Surely, better times are coming.

  25. July 20, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    Look at that bad boy?

  26. July 20, 2014 at 6:38 pm

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  28. July 20, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Omg!

  29. July 20, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    uh huh

    uh huh

    We need to take Rahim, Jamal, Tequan, Tamiqua, and Monique, all dressed in black, to the Whitest towns in Wisconsin. See how they like it.

    ……………………………………….

    Elections board to consider lifting ban on poll observers using cameras

    The ban on election observers using cameras at polling locations may soon be lifted in Wisconsin.

    That move, which was recommended by the Republican-controlled Legislature, is set to be considered Monday when the state elections board meets to vote on proposed changes to election observer rules.

    If the Government Accountability Board approves the change, observers might be able to use cameras to photograph and record voters and others at polling places by the Aug. 12 primary, including people getting ballots and registering to vote.

    Earlier this year, Gov. Scott Walker signed a bill allowing observers to get closer to those they are monitoring. The legislation said that observation areas at polling places can be as close as three feet from the tables where voters obtain ballots or register, or from counting locations — rather than the six feet previously required. Observers would need to remain in those areas while filming or taking photographs of voters, and photographing ballots would still be prohibited….

    http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/on-politics/elections-board-to-consider-lifting-ban-on-poll-observers-using/article_c067c4c0-6d1b-5be2-8db5-1d55573147f6.html#ixzz383DdGNQQ

    • 117 99ts
      July 20, 2014 at 8:24 pm

      Talk about intimidation – this is so wrong -where I vote – said “observers” are not allowed anywhere near the voting. The are allowed to watch the counting after the polls have closed.

      If you can’t win – simply stop the opposition voting – countries that currently do this are NOT democracies.

  30. July 20, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    The Real football!!

  31. July 20, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    Hi Ms. Chips and TODers. I’ve been lurking because I have more to learn from reading than writing anything. I read Jim Wright over at Stonekettle. His article may seem harsh, but truthfully I understand him. His article was linked from here on yesterday, I believe.

    http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/07/an-eye-for-eye-in-country-of-blind.html

  32. 121 JER
    July 20, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    President Obama is back at White House.

  33. July 20, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    This has over 2,200 Re-tweets and about that many Favs.

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