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Ferguson Demands Answers

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117 Responses to “Ferguson Demands Answers”


  1. 1 jacquelineoboomer
    August 16, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Thanks to you and Chips for your tireless work, NW.

  2. 5 JER
    August 16, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    BEACH AFTERNOON, DINNER OUT FOR OBAMAS

    After spending a sunny afternoon at the beach, President Obama and the First Lady are out to dinner at State Road restaurant in West Tisbury. … http://mvgazette.com/

  3. 7 jackiegrumbacher
    August 16, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Do any of the Ferguson citizens who ask these good questions every get answers at the press conference? And if not, why not?

  4. 8 desertflower
    August 16, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Brought this over:

    Maybe LL is right….maybe this time IS different after all…

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2014/08/13/95647/correcting-the-medias-skewed-perspective/

    Lawrence thought the media was doing it once again in showing Brown in a way that would turn public emotions against him and garner sympathy for the police. “A few people have questioned why [we] even have those ‘negative images’ of ourselves exist in the first place,” he wrote. “My answer to that is if nobody ever shoots us while we are simply playing our music, walking to the store for Skittles, leaving a convenience store, or simply riding the train on New Year’s—[the media] wouldn’t have to select a photo at all.”

    Lawrence’s #IfTheyGunnedMeDown campaign makes a powerful statement. While stunning simply by the spontaneity and volume of people who responded, the photos also reveal a humanistic and complex narrative of young, black American lives. They’re more than mere pixels in cyberspace. Rather, these images represent a purposeful, nonviolent protest against what happened to a young black man in Missouri—and what many fear could happen to themselves or someone they love.

    This is social media at its best, offering a real-time counternarrative to the media’s typically negative and stereotypical imagery of young black people as something to be feared. The side-by-side comparisons allow those people in the pictures to define themselves in a context of their choosing. Absent is the unspoken but overt filter so often imposed upon them by editors who lack awareness or sensitivity to the lives of black Americans.

  5. August 16, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    95 gazillion thanks Nerdy, absolutely wonderful tweets.

  6. 12 jacquelineoboomer
    August 16, 2014 at 10:17 pm

  7. August 16, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    In response to this tweet …

    pf58, you noted “This take organization….I wonder what group or groups of people are organizing this….”

    I posted my response after this new thread was created, so am posting it here because I wanted to be sure you saw it …

    Likely, NAACP, ACLU, various unions, but I also would not be surprised if much of this is organic to the AA community in Ferguson & St Louis, especially church leaders and local activists, and my fellow white folk who have a clue.
    What impressed me more than anything – and that’s saying a lot given the remarkable behavior of so many in Ferguson – was establishing a voter registration table a mere 20 meters or less from the spot in the street where Mike Brown died. That is POWERFUL recognition of the only non-violent, democratic way the 3rd Reconstruction can prevail.

    • 14 desertflower
      August 16, 2014 at 10:24 pm

      ” What impressed me more than anything – and that’s saying a lot given the remarkable behavior of so many in Ferguson – was establishing a voter registration table a mere 20 meters or less from the spot in the street where Mike Brown died. That is POWERFUL recognition of the only non-violent, democratic way the 3rd Reconstruction can prevail.”

      THIS. Practically brought tears to my eyes. Powerful beyond words

    • August 16, 2014 at 10:37 pm

      yes….Bob/…I saw it….

      That is POWERFUL recognition of the only non-violent, democratic way the 3rd Reconstruction can prevail.

      • August 16, 2014 at 10:41 pm

        Glad you saw it, pf58.

        My suggestion how we, as a Nation, can honor Mike Brown …

        • 18 HZ
          August 16, 2014 at 11:29 pm

          Great again, Bobfr!! TY. What about taking those two powerful words of yours in this powerful tweet: ‘Living Legacy Vote’ and ask call attentions to groups like Rev. Al{his plate is so full, but I know he is working so hard on this}, community leaders, young people for Mike Brown keeping his memory on getting them out to the polls for the midterms. Faith community leaders, mentors of young AA men, etc.

          I am not good at constructing a tweet of this sought, but I feel it moving in my spirit as I read your tweet, and those two words, “Living Legacy” just will not leave my head. What do you think, Bobfr and TOD family. We must get those young people educated about how this would honor Mike Brown’s life. I believe it is worth a try. to OFA, Rev. Al, Tom Joyner, Joe Madison, MLKlll and others and Rev. Dr. Barber. Just brainstorming a lot tonight. HZ

  8. 20 amk for obama
    August 16, 2014 at 10:19 pm

  9. 21 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    August 16, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    #Ferguson livestream:

  10. 23 amk for obama
    August 16, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    I am not impressed with DOJ and FBI thus far. There is enough of prima facie evidence out there to arrest the killer.

    • 24 desertflower
      August 16, 2014 at 10:28 pm

      I’m not sure that you would actually SEE anything that would impress…I think they are not chest beaters…but work methodically on every piece of info they get…in the background…slowly and professionally building their case. They will not blurt out the evidence they have or the strides they’ve made…I think that their noses are to the grindstone and they follow where the evidence leads. I trust Eric Holder.

      • 25 HZ
        August 16, 2014 at 11:35 pm

        Desertflower, you have nailed it right on the head. “They will not blurt out the evidence they have or the strides they’ve made…I think that their noses are to the grindstone and they follow where the evidence leads. I trust Eric Holder.”

        I trust AG Eric Holder as well. And we all can pretty well trust him and his team. They are working their bottoms off. I will leave it their. HZ

        • 26 HZ
          August 16, 2014 at 11:45 pm

          should be ‘there.’ HZ

          I better get off now because I will be getting a call from you know who in about ten minutes. I have taken my meds for this evening because of my exhausted behavior last evening and my brother laid down the law for me. I know he worries about me, but he knows me best. However, his job is too tedious and stressful for me to put any more stress on him. He deserves my consideration. I am so blessed to have such a brilliant and calm loving brother, so I can show him respect and truth by listening to him.

          Let us keep our faith and space fill with much compassion, grace, calmness and wisdom to see this turn out for justice for Michael Brown and his family and this town and towns all across this country.

          JackieG, {{{{{{{{{{{{{{Lots of loving hugs to you for the great news. I love you dearly. }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} I am out now. TY Chips and Nerdy W.
          for all that you give us here within our family. Continue to send forth goodness to our president for wisdom, and continued calmness through all that he is dealing with at this very difficult time. He will be fine. His core is decent and full of faith and hard work of doing the right thing. Trust PBO., and pray for wisdom. Good night, my loving TOD family.HZ

      • 27 nospin
        August 17, 2014 at 12:15 am

        you are right about that df

    • August 16, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    • 36 FoxfireTX
      August 16, 2014 at 10:43 pm

      Unlurking after a long time to straighten out who is doing what. Hopefully it will help all of us sort out what is happening on the legal side. I am a retired lawyer, and many, many years ago a prosecutor for a short period of time for a suburb of a large metro area.

      The two investigations, while parallel in many respects, are looking for different things to build a case. The state of MO is the only official that can bring a charge of murder here which is what every one wants to see, me included. This is a STATE violation of STATE law and the feds have no jurisdiction to do anything. They simply cannot bring a murder charge against anyone, with few exceptions such as the murder of FEDERAL judge where they would have jurisdiction. Frankly, it is also much easier than the job the feds have and I am somewhat surprised–or not–that it has not yet gone to complaint or the grand jury. Under MO law, the prosecutor has the option to bring a complaint himself, which McCullough will not do, or take it to a grand jury for indictment. This is the route he will go.

      The feds are looking to build a case for violation of Michael Brown’s civil rights. This is much more difficult to prove, with a number of elements that must be demonstrated under federal law. It will be brought in federal–versus State of Missouri-court. I would not expect to see this complaint for a number of months as they will want to ensure they have an airtight case. In many ways here, it is a backup to the state system in the event it gets totally f—up. I frankly am tired of hearing that Obama and Holder should be doing more. Their hands are tied in many ways as to what they can do. BUT I believe it is very helpful to have them on the ground. You can bet the US attorney in MO is keeping close tabs on the prosecutor and will ensure he has every bit of evidence they dig up. BTW, one other little interesting fact, There is no procedure under MO law to have the St. Louis County prosecutor removed and replaced with a special prosecutor. Again, this is a matter of state law and nothing the feds can do about it.

      Although I have been absent from posting for a long time, I still check in nearly every day and am so appreciative of Chips, LL and everyone else for keeping many of us updated.
      Best,

      • August 16, 2014 at 10:47 pm

        Grateful for your informed comment, FoxfireTX.

        “I frankly am tired of hearing that Obama and Holder should be doing more. Their hands are tied in many ways as to what they can do. BUT I believe it is very helpful to have them on the ground. You can bet the US attorney in MO is keeping close tabs on the prosecutor and will ensure he has every bit of evidence they dig up.”

        Could not agree more.

        Thank you

      • 40 desertflower
        August 16, 2014 at 10:54 pm

        Thanks, FoxfireTX :) Always helps to have expert info about important issues like this one. Hope you keep posting more frequently and adding to this conversation with law facts so we can all be more informed. Appreciate your expertise.

        • August 17, 2014 at 12:54 am

          I guess one question is given the obvious lack of desire to prosecute and the partiality on the part of the McCullough, will a special prosecutor be appointed and who would make that decision?

      • 42 Vicki
        August 16, 2014 at 10:54 pm

        This is very helpful, Foxfire. It must be hard on AG Holder and PBO to understand their options are delineated in ways that will strain the patience of most people watching this horror unfold.

      • 43 jacquelineoboomer
        August 16, 2014 at 10:58 pm

        Thanks so much, for informing us so well!

      • August 16, 2014 at 11:01 pm

        Thank you so much for offering us your expert opinion. Please offer these explanations elsewhere in the blogosphere if you feel up to it. So many don’t know what they’re talking about.

      • August 16, 2014 at 11:15 pm

        Would it be possible for someone to make an image of Foxfire’s comment so that we could tweet it? Would that be ok Foxfire? I don’t have the software to do it, but it would be so helpful. I appreciate understanding. Thank you!

      • 46 amk for obama
        August 16, 2014 at 11:17 pm

        Let’s see. There is the local PD that not only protects the killer cop but aids and abets in inciting the locals with more and more incendiary acts. The governor only adds more fuel to the fire. And the federal govt can’t do anything at all to contain the situation? They couldn’t find even one statute to take over the investigation and act upon it?

        • August 16, 2014 at 11:28 pm

          States’ Rights and all that fine ironclad legal loophole orchestrated to enable racist slave-owning states do whatever they want with minorities. Remember we had a Fugitive Slave Act passed by congress in 1851 that allowed slaveowners from southern slave owning states to go anywhere in the union to retrieve their slave “property” regardless whether they were currently resident in “free states or not” America has always been a fucked up country

        • 48 FoxfireTX
          August 16, 2014 at 11:29 pm

          Generally, no, not under US law. That’s what elections are for. The state and federal systems are completely separate, which is why the state and local elections are so important. Although technically PBO could take over the entire state with a state of federal emergency declaration, you can imagine what a debacle that would be. But in nearly every instance where the state prosecutions have failed, the charges brought by the feds as back up are violation of civil rights. It is very frustrating, but the system we have. And to top that off, the law is different in every single state and subject to the whims of the legislatures of each state. I am sooo tired of hearing on the tube that PBO should be doing more when he simply cannot. And often times from folks who should know better.

          • 49 amk for obama
            August 16, 2014 at 11:39 pm

            Thanks. That sure is one fucked up system. BTW, this is not a diss on Obama or Holder. Just a frustration from a simpleton engineer who sees the cause and effect and annoyed why the cause is not being addressed in a smart manner.

            • 50 FoxfireTX
              August 16, 2014 at 11:54 pm

              I’d like to see every one of these idiots removed in the next election. I don’t know MO election law, but in most states the country district attorney is an elected position. That is the way to get rid of all of these officials that are causing the problems. We all know it is very simple. Make an arrest of the officer and things will settle down. But I am fearful of the grand jury process here. It is done in secret, and the prosecutor is free to present — or hide– as much as he wants. Again, not a thing anyone can do about it.

      • August 16, 2014 at 11:25 pm

        Thank you for your comment, firefoxTX.

        This is my understanding too. Feds have jurisdiction only when federal laws are violated, and murder is a state offense. All cases the DOJ and/or FBI are involved with take months for action to actually take place.

        I keep mentioning the incident that took place 5 months ago when Albuquerque PD shot and killed a homeless white man on a hiking trail for “illegal camping.” This is on video tape — @Lawrence played it several times on his show. DOJ continues their work on this case. The LAPD was under federal oversight (“consent decree”) for almost 20 years.

        This is going to take a while to resolve, since it has to be worked out by the state, and the County DA McCullough has already expressed his disgust with @GovJayNixon for appointing Capt. Ron Johnson to supervise law enforcement in #Ferguson, so he will be reluctant to pursue justice.

        I mentioned before that #FergusonPD chief Tom Jackson reminds me of Rod Steiger, “In the Heat of the Night.”

        Remember that the wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

      • 52 GGAIL
        August 16, 2014 at 11:28 pm

        Thank you Firefox. Your contributions will be much appreciated.

      • August 16, 2014 at 11:30 pm

        I thank you as well, FoxfireTX, your cogent analysis and background in law have simplified the overview, much needed by me, and many of us, I’m sure. Have a very good evening. Lurk less?

      • August 17, 2014 at 12:40 am

        Thanks for the clarification FoxfireTX. I believe someone also tried to explain that during the press conference although emotions were running so high that I’m sure not many paid attention or accepted the explanation.

        Again, there are those that think that President Obama can just wave a magic wand and things will just fall in place. We often talk about the intelligence of both the President and the AG, yet, we sometimes become impatient (fueled by MSM pundits) and think we know better as to what they should be doing.

      • August 17, 2014 at 1:59 am

        Thank you so much FoxfireTX for this important and educational comment that should be shared widely. One of the things that frustrates me is that so many people lack basic understanding of the complexity of the U.S. political system. First, because of federalism, we basically have 51 governments (50 State governments plus the Federal government) in the United States.There are certain crimes, such as murder, that are exclusively under the jurisdiction of the State governments. But there are, of course, murders that violate Federal laws. Offenses, such as robbery, car jacking, certain drug trafficking offenses, hate crimes, and violations of Civil Rights can and are persecuted by the Federal government . Second, under the federal system of governance, the Federal government is made up three co-equal branches of government: the Legislature (Congress), the Executive (President) and the Judicially-with ultimate judicial power vested in the Supreme Court. Sadly, most Americans, including many who are highly educated, expect the President to instantly solve everything. As JFK pointed out, most Americans don’t realize the limitations of Presidential powers under our political system of Federalism and the division of powers among the three branches of the Federal government.

        What the people who criticize President Obama about Ferguson, MO, don’t realize is that he and the AG have limited options. I suppose both President Obama and AG Eric Holder can go on TV and loudly denounce the racist Ferguson police department. Symbolically, that might make some loudmouths, but hopelessly naive, Black intellectuals feel good. But that would not change the fact that only the state of Missouri can bring murder charges against the cop that executed Michael Brown. It’s true that the Federal government can still prosecute Brown’s killer for violation of Michael Brown’s Civil rights.

      • 56 catrst
        August 17, 2014 at 6:02 am

        Thank you for adding this. It is so helpful.

  11. 57 jacquelineoboomer
    August 16, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    Really, I’m ill seeing this.

  12. 64 Nerdy Wonka
    August 16, 2014 at 10:32 pm

  13. 65 amk for obama
    August 16, 2014 at 10:35 pm

  14. 67 anniebella
    August 16, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    The one who look like they should be Governor was Ron Johnson. Gov.Jay Nixon was an embarrassment today.

  15. 68 anniebella
    August 16, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    The thing that no one is talking about is why that video were released Friday morning. I feel like the Ferguson police, the St. Louis police, the DA were mad that they were being forced to release that killer officer name, mad that Ron Johnson were put in charge, that black man, so they release that video. Police chief Jackson said that the killer officer was not aware of the robbery.

  16. August 16, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Thank you Ms Chipsssssss…and NW….for this extensive coverage of movement unfolding in Ferguson….ty to all the TOD Villages for your poignant and heartfelt comments……they have helped me….so very much….

  17. 74 Vicki
    August 16, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    BWD is re-tweeting that “Between Two Ferns” won an Emmy!!!!!!! YAY!!! Also, got lots of young folks to enrol for Obamacare, too.

  18. 78 Dudette
    August 16, 2014 at 10:49 pm

  19. 79 hopefruit2
    August 16, 2014 at 10:49 pm

  20. 85 Dudette
    August 16, 2014 at 11:02 pm

  21. 86 hopefruit2
    August 16, 2014 at 11:03 pm

  22. August 16, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    I think the Republicans and militia groups have been trying to incite riots for a long time to prove their paranoia is right. There are many actions being taken right now to support the black residents of Ferguson, but I thought that table to register voters on the sidewalk across from where Michael was shot is incredibly powerful. I love thinking that they will realize they have the power to vote out people that aren’t serving them and to make a difference in their town and state. I also think it’s so important for Republicans to know they are firing up Democrats. They may be trying to fire up their base too, but there are more Democrats than Republicans and together we can win. If these Republican/Libertarian jerks weren’t in office we wouldn’t be having these problems.

    I consider donations to Dems as a vote. I haven’t had a lot of money to donate to the DCCC or Dems I support, sometimes $3 or $5, but I am donating more often. I can make choices so that I have more money to give and I plan to give even more. There is 3 months to the general and now is when we can make an impact. Yes, they send a lot of emails. I don’t care. If I don’t have funds I delete emails, if I do I donate. If it’s someone I’m never going to donate to I unsubscribe. I just feel it’s really important for us to do everything we can right now. This is the time.

    I also think it’s important to let media know when they are in the wrong, not just tweet frustration in general, but find out their twitter account and let them know. And express appreciation to those that are giving accurate coverage and asking questions that matter.

    I feel a lot of frustration and anguish about Ferguson, but rather than let it spin around in my gut like it has been I’m looking for the most positive action I can to make a difference. In 2009 and early 2010 I remember thinking that if we could just go through the midterms and have Democrats elected it would be all right. And then afterwards I realized the Tea Party guys weren’t going away. Even when the situation in Ferguson is resolved, they will find something else to stir people up about. They have been doing it over and over and over. It just makes me more determined to work to support President Obama and his administration and to get him a congress he can work with.

    I just have to do something to help and that’s what I can think of.

  23. 90 yardarm756
    August 16, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    The MSM “reporters” are all milling around in Ferguson hoping that some rioting breaks out so they can get another day on their expense accounts.

  24. August 16, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    Thankful for TOD, each and every one who keeps the homefires burning as a light for the world. These are the times that try our souls; if mine feels like it is being tried, I cannot comprehend how things feel and look to people who have had to give and receive The Talk, and survive the avalanche of disrespect, aggression, contempt, erasure and more. Without Chipsticks and this work of art and heart that is TOD, I can’t imagine getting through this past week. Without Nerdy Wonka’s vigilant gathering in of the scoop all day every day, and the words of Zizi, LLibrarian, Bobfr and more BT’s, sorry I know I am forgetting some people, I would be lost. Thank you thank you thank you. This is hard. TOD is the haven.

    • 92 jacquelineoboomer
      August 16, 2014 at 11:30 pm

      Thanks for expressing that. I cannot comprehend any of it, either, but I’m here to be a witness – with you.

    • 93 mtmarilyn
      August 16, 2014 at 11:31 pm

      Your words are what all of us feel. Thank you for voicing them. We are a community here. We keep each other going here with the truth.

  25. 95 yardarm756
    August 16, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    The broadcast news in Chicago leads on to believe that Ferguson is in utter chaos. It’s referred to as “high tension”.-smh

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    • 101 desertflower
      August 16, 2014 at 11:24 pm

      Wanted to send my happiness to you and the Amazing Missus:) She went to help this child, but I guarantee you, SHE will be the one that will be changed by this experience. Mark my words:)

      • August 16, 2014 at 11:38 pm

        She’s off in about 25 minutes. Looking forward to hear how her first day went.

        BTW, a comment you made on zizi’s post REALLY pissed off an argle bargle gun nut. His response to you got caught in Chips’ filter. He was rather, um, irate. Must be more irate to now see that he’ll never be able to post on here. :lol:

        • 103 desertflower
          August 16, 2014 at 11:43 pm

          REALLY????? YEA ME!!! What the fuck ever dood:) Not the first idiot I ever pissed off and it won’t be the last, that’s for sure! Thanks, LL…love when I hit a nerve

  28. 104 jacquelineoboomer
    August 16, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    • 105 FoxfireTX
      August 16, 2014 at 11:43 pm

      Since I’m doing my legal thing tonight I’ll keep going. This is not the type of statute you think about for appointing a special prosecutor. When it is done in most jurisdictions, the statute specifically spells out things like “conflict or perceived conflict of interest”. If that type of language existed in MO, there would be some chance given his long relationship with the Ferguson and St. Louis county cops, and presumably with the defendant. No such language in MO. This basically is an impeachment statute where the person filing the affidavit would have to demonstrate some type of criminal conduct against the prosecutor or clear incompetence. Given the general wording, I’d bet that no state judge in MO would remove him.

      • 106 jacquelineoboomer
        August 16, 2014 at 11:57 pm

        Are you on Twitter? Would love to R/T your info out to many others!

        In any event, thank you again.

  29. August 16, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    Riot Gear is Back….

    any blood shed tonight will be on Gov Nixon’s hands…it did not have to go down this way…

  30. August 16, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    The report from the Justice Dept…and FBI may come too late…

  31. 113 vcprezofan2
    August 16, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    I’m looking in one last time before heading to bed. Am feeling quite pleased with myself because I finally spent about an hour or so on my overdue income tax – first time I’ve looked at it, but have to get it done before offspring heads back to his studies.

    NerdyW, keeping us on top of the news as usual – thank you!

  32. August 16, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    Those in the national MSM who aren’t on their August vacations (i.e, the younger reporters without seniority) covering #Ferguson want tear gas and action.

    The only time CBS radio news has mentioned the police state in Ferguson before Capt. Ron Johnson was put in charge was on Friday morning, when they admitted that Thursday night was different because the police did not set off tear gas. After nearly a full week of coverage, they first mentioned tear gas only *after* it wasn’t used. And they report everything the police say as the truth, when it’s obvious they lie every.single.day.

    I checked the Twitter timelines of national political reporters I used to follow, who love the “horserace.” Not an exaggeration to say that they are ONLY retweeting some #Ferguson tweets or patting each other on the back for one thing or another. Great use of twitter (snark).

    And guess what? Crickets about one of the crucial Senate races this November. I heard these results this morning on CBS radio news only once — they haven’t mentioned it since. TOD is the only venue actually keeping tabs on this, courtesy @mtMarilyn:

    I did my part to help @buttecurtis get a verified checkmark (@curtisforMT is a parody account no doubt run by a RWNJ — some responses to @buttecurtis are truly vile, use the “N” word):

    • 115 mtmarilyn
      August 17, 2014 at 12:07 am

      Thank you Arapahoe415. This is a big deal and I haven’t heard anymore about it. I believe they all believe the Dems can’t win MT. We have been given a second chance.

  33. 117 vcprezofan2
    August 17, 2014 at 12:07 am

    FirefoxTX – THANKS!


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