Compare + contrast: https://t.co/vWXoIHd1Uy
—
George Zornick (@gzornick) December 02, 202502
Dec
15
133 Responses to “Compare & Contrast”
Leave a Reply
White House.gov
- Why Diplomacy Matters: Follow Along as the President Heads to the 70th UN General Assembly
- President Obama on the Shooting in San Bernardino
- Weekly Address: We Will Not Be Terrorized
- West Wing Week: 12/04/2025 or, "Fromage!"
- The Employment Situation in November
WH Tumblr
- “We know that the killers in San Bernardino used...
- President Obama just met with Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly to...
- Spread the word: Our businesses have now added 13.7 million jobs...
- “One of the qualities that makes America’s armed forces the best in the world is that we...
- “What we do know is that there are steps we can take to...
The People’s View
- Open thread - Nuts with guns Liberal Librarian
- Open thread - The President's statement on San Bernardino Liberal Librarian
- Progress For Us: The Historical Context Behind Modern American Political Ideology Trevor LaFauci
- On being pro-life Liberal Librarian
- Open thread - Starting the week in a light-hearted vein Liberal Librarian
Smartypants
- The Paradox of a Good Jobs Report
- Mollifying the Insurgents
- The Deeper Issue With "Thoughts and Prayers"
- Why I Could Stop Screaming
- Admitting We Have a Problem
A Writing Corner (LL)
- #Pixels: A sign of the Apocalypse?
- Annals in “WTH Were You Thinking??” – Potty Training
- For the young lady and her love of Seamus Heaney
- On compassion
- A Mass for the Dead
Greg Sargent
- Open Thread
- Happy Hour Roundup
- Dems should go hard at GOP climate denialism in 2016
- Why Republicans aren’t objecting to Obama’s decision on women in combat
- Morning Plum: Sorry, Lindsey Graham. Republican voters WANT mass deportations.
Steve Benen
- This Week in God, 12.5.15
- Citations for the December 4, 2025 TRMS
- Massive gas leak imperils people, environment
- NY Times to call for gun control in historic front page editorial
- Terror fight calls for better training, equipping local police
WH Flickr
|
Hello, everyone. I may be new here, but you all will remember me from our days on OFA (ions ago). I wished I had joined on a better day, but have always been reading up here first.
Welcome Isak
welcome Isack
I’m so glad you decided to join us today, Isack. Congratulations on first.
Wecome Isack & congrats on First!
welcome & congrats;
we still have a lot of work to do
The difference between Dems and Repugs is stark. Thanks Chips.
Thank God the situation has been neutralized and I can drive home without fear of a shooter on the loose.
STILL BE CAREFUL. KEEP YOUR HEAD ON A SWIVEL ‘TIL YOU GET HOME!
I will because it appears that the officers have been alerted to something or someone and they are all once again moving quickly in one direction
Mind what I tell you……I don’t need u to be no accident, okay?
I hear you Sailor! I’ll text you when I arrive safely behind my door.
BravoZulu……!
<3
Leaving the office now. Check you later
Safe home {{GGail}}
I’m home
Love you all ❤️
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️GGail❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤ Now, pour yourself a glass of wine!
Try TWO :D
{{{Hugs, GGail}}} Too close for comfort!
Yes, but stay alert
Hear this GOP - I PRAY that you all get a CLUE and neutralize the NRA and do it NOW!
So my husband works down the street from where this went down and was on lockdown. He was in clinic this shooting could have so easily been where he works. I haven’t heard from him as to whether the lockdown is over, but he did text me he was in lockdown and safe about an hour ago. I was so scared. I sure hope they catch these guys.
Betsy, I hope your husband is safe.
Yes, he just got home safely. So relieved.
Betsy i pray your husband is safe and he gets home soon. We need to demand Gov Brown band high capacity auto/semi auto magazines. This is senseless.
Jojo, we need to demand Congress to do their job and make us SAFE
My husband got home safely; so relieved.
{{{Betsy}}}
Latest:
1 suspect fleeing
2 shot, 1 dead, the other one yet to be determined
EACH DAY I CAN TURN ON THE NEWS AND FIND A TRIGGER PULLED SOMEWHERE…THAT’S UNFORTUNATE!…THOSE IN THE AREA IN QUESTION…STAY ALERT…STAY SAFE!
This is SICK. I don’t know what to say anymore. Saying thoughts and prayers go out to the victims is like scratching a sore wound…right now a complete waste of time and emotions…
My thoughts and prayers are with the families, how about you Republicans get off your stupid asses and put an end to the easy access of those weapons that is just meant for the battlefield.
Now cause you are running for President, you want to act like you are so concern for the victims. If the Republicans and cowardly Democrats would do their job, and show more concern about the public, then they show for their job.
MSNBC reported that all three suspects were accounted for. One dead in the van. One rolled out of the van and was taken into custody, and a third was wounded and surrendered.
There is the flag, where is the white hoods and sheets. I wonder how those black pastors could have ever met with Trump.
seeing young people there make me sick.
Love the picture of FLOTUS giving the little girl a kiss. So sweet.
Do we know if these shooters were Syrian refugees or not?
From the NJ Bully…
Meanwhile Trump is saying “Go the cops” - thinks it’s a football game
99ts! I keep missing you these days, how are ya doing?
The odd lurker - the downsizing & moving wiped me out - I chose a good time to miss all the news - but coming back in today - maybe I should have stayed away. But - its always lovely to see you and the TODers
The ONLY thing the GOP can offer is prayers - which have worked so well in preventing massacres. We have many political problems, but I am thankful that we can still go to work, school, doctors and churches without the fear of being shot.
The first post I saw today was FLOTUS and Christmas - and then the goodness of the 1st Family disappeared from the media to be replaced by NRA thugs and RWNJ haters. HAS to be the result of the GOP generating such hate over the past many years. The people reap what they voted for.
Is the moving all done now? Are you lodged in your new abode?
Today? No words…..
We’ve moved - as MightyP discovered - its a culture shock. Mr 99 is trying to keep me sane. People who design fancy new units are all show and no substance - rather like the GOP - all prayer and no action.
1st world problems - when I think what PBO is having to handle today - not really relevant.
My last move was 10 years ago - and I’m still recovering. So I feel for ya! Hope you settle in soon and it truly feels like home!
99ts, I know what you mean. I still have a couple of boxes that I don’t know where to put the stuff - it’s only been a year. :-)
We still have 21 boxes at a friend’s place!! He has a big shed. All my furniture was too big - so we have a cabinet maker doing some new stuff (no-one sells small furniture) - that will probably take about 6 of the boxes - the rest??
I now understand those who say they’ll go out in a box. I’m not thinking to move again.
‘the downsizing & moving wiped me out’
TS!!! I knew your silence had something to do with this (well, okay, I guessed when you were missing so long). :D Sure hope your settling in and acceptance of the new reduced space works way, way, way better than MP’s scenario!
Thanks vc - I do probably have more space than MP (about half size of our previous home) - 33 years since I last moved - seemed it was easy - guess youth and fitness have something to do with it - so stay fit if you intend to move :)
Phew! No moving plans on my part so don’t have to worry unduly about my (lack of real) exercise routine/fitness level. ;)
That seems so odd. One guy comes back with two others to kill a specific target, but they end up killing close to 20 people? The whole thing is bizarre, what the hell was their motive?
I mean, if this *is* the proven theory, I’m done. I’m just done. We’re doomed.
Did you see this LL?
Yep. That’s what set me off. I just can’t.
Here’s the planning part:
The MSNBC news man is suggesting this is a jihad isis type. terror attack tom castille on msnbc even Chris Hayes is planting in peoples mind. Sick bastatds. This white christian terrorist.
Now I see a ‘suspect’ being named by RWNJs on Twitter, with - needless to say - a Muslim name. They’re praying so hard it’s true.
That would be a stretch if there are any Muslim’s living in San Bernadino. The guys had to live close by to leave and return with the weapons.
I must admit, I’ve been shaken today by the fact that it was so close to where I work and live.
GxG, are you tucked up inside your own home and hearth now, and how was the commute home?
Yes vc, I’m home. I’m a little shaken by it all. Seems surreal. Trying to wrap my mind around the fact that it was so close to where I work and live
Good to hear! GxG, I doubt there’s any way for sane people to wrap minds around this never-ending shoot-’em-up mentality that legislators won’t even attempt to address.
GGail I’m so sorry to here of your plight. Why Congress doesn’t get to work, I don’t know. No one wants to live like this.
Thanks so much CarolMae {{{hugs}}}
I didn’t know you worked close to San Bernadino. My husband works at Loma Linda Medical Center.
From the other Bully…
Like I said - thinks it’s a football game - weapons of sport.
how about we all agree to raise our taxes 2% so these police can have a little more financial security and healthcare, daddy’s boy trump?!? same for the “support our troops” republicans too! we can guess how that idea would go over with any republican today, but by all means, act like you care at sporting events, parades, and saying “thank you for your service” to any military person you see around, you evil, vile modern republicans. goes to any of the candidates, current elected, and voters. disgusting people.
good god. and this juvenile is leading the rethug field.
the parroting of the same words by the rethugs resembles the jackboots marching.
Just another reality show to trump.
I’m home safe and sound 😘
Good to hear.
Just was asking if you were okay. Glad to know you are.
I am ok…..thanks for asking.
Thank you Lord :)
Yeah!!!
So glad to hear, what about Jojo!
Thanks everyone and Jojo’s safe and sound at home too :-)
Just spotted this - Good. Ignore my question above.
I answered you up thread 😊
What’s this, musical answers? [I saw that.] :D
:D :D
Time out. I need to eat my dinner, I’m late.
Go! You know late meals are not an option. I’m signing off now too - was very tired at work today. G’Night.
G’Night everyone!
Nite vc
Woohoo!
Like all of you I am just sick over this, all of it. I don’t have words anymore, I cannot understand any of it.
It’s horrific sherijr, and it just never friggin’ ends.
If you’re not reading @igorvolsky, you really should be. Tweeting Congress members who’ve offered “thoughts and prayers” and how much money they’ve received from NRA.
Good call.
GE TODville.
I’ve seen reports of what @latimes is reporting, and agree with LL the “fed” scenario makes no sense — this guy had buddies willing to go along with this horror and just happened have enough masks and vests for everyone? Why shoot (at least) over 30 people if you wanted to kill one person?
Residents of the lockdown area in SanBerdoo are frantic (apparently 8 square blocks with dozens [hundreds?] of homes) because some family members are trapped inside while the others can’t get in.
Focus now is in Redlands (where @JamesFallows grew up).
Of course the loathsome Cilizza has to #blameObama.
I’m having a hard time collating all the different reports, but possibly two of the suspects are female.
Only one was reported here and she’s dead.
This just gets stranger
And more clear as mud statements.
Can someone help me? I saw somewhere (?) the numbers of: Number of Americans killed by ISIS=4, Guns=30,000+ and I don’t remember what the third item was or the number. Would love to share that in a comment on FB. Thanks!
This one, tnmtngirl?
Yes Thanks!
wow, per police: a woman in camouflage is one of those 2 deceased suspects;
I am watching and trying not to throw up with disgust
GE GCL.
@MattDPearce seems to be the only national reporter who remembers the cold-blooded murders of Las Vegas police officers last year — having lunch at that working/middle class establishment, Chi-Chis:
Those killers had ties to #BundyRanch, but national MSM have collectively swept that incident under the rug.
from the information being reported about the San Bernardino tragic event, it seems to be a complex situation
anonymous “feds”?!? yea, right. they know exactly what they’re doing with their fake “lead.” republican catnip online and in the public discourse. keep the crazy riled up. the modern republican is a diseased mind and soul.
God didn’t list the 2nd amendment the founding fathers did and only. Congress can fix it, so stop praying and vote to ban these weapons of mass killing.
I know it’s being reported that this is possibly the result of a workplace dispute. I’m having a hard time with that theory because (1) the “disgruntled” employee leaves and comes back with others dressed in assault garb because of a workplace dispute? Usually in these cases, it’s a single shooter. (2) The people the shooter returned with could have been relatives/gang member associates. The police chief said that they were looking for and found an explosive device, that’s why they were so cautious about approaching the van after the suspects were killed. Gang members don’t usually deal in bombs. I will concede that it didn’t seem to be a very well thought out plan. If this was in fact the case, we will know everything very shortly. The PD will make known gang members and their families lives a living, breathing hell and trust me, people will squeal like pigs. (no offense to pigs).
So I decided to respond to Bill Gates today. It’s been a while…
//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js
.
.
.
.
.
.
Trying to process this. AGAIN. I think we live in a country that suffers from severe cases of PTSD.
Seriously. I’m sick about it, myself. Tried not watching news today, tried to start a little Christmas decorating. Then to see this. Makes you want to get in the fetal position, thumb in your mouth, before you remind yourself you have to pull yourself up and keep pushing. I think we’ve all had the “ENOUGH” everybody keeps mentioning. And yet we’re mostly too worn down to take to the streets and demand new gun laws. PTSD.
Of course, some of these first reports may or may not be true. But the plot will always thicken.
New post.
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/02/just-another-day-in-america/
Good Evening TODVille.
I don’t know what to pray for.
Third one today…
My thoughts, your thoughts, our thoughts and prayers are with the Families involved, but is this what we keep doing everyday, every moment, every time gun violence happens. So we just simply say our thoughts and prayers are with the victims. Come on AMERICA, this is not good enough, it’s not solving the problem, we just sit and wait for another shooting? So we can give our condolences? Is this what AMERICA does, just give condolences???? Lord Jesus help us all