afternoon all


Thanks Hopefruit


Bloomberg: The number of Americans filing applications for unemployment benefits fell to the lowest level in seven months, a sign the recovery may be encouraging companies to limit cuts in headcount.

Jobless claims fell by 10,000 to 390,000 in the week ended Nov. 5, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. (More here)

Bloomberg: The U.S. trade deficit unexpectedly narrowed in September to the lowest level this year as exports surged to a record high …. A smaller September U.S. trade bill may mean a bigger contribution to third-quarter growth….. (More here)


The Hill: A coalition of conservatives is working to organize the disparate groups opposing Mitt Romney as the Republican presidential nominee. While much has been made of Romney’s lack of support among conservative Republicans, the sense of malaise has mostly manifested as a lack of enthusiasm rather than outright opposition. That could all be about to change.

The new coalition is seeking to push back against the narrative that Romney is the “inevitable nominee,” according to spokesman and activist Ali Akbar. The group’s website, NotMittRomney.com, launched this week…..

More here


Busy, busy, busy this afternoon – but will catch up soon 😉

84 Responses to “afternoon all”

  1. 1 Fred
    November 10, 2011 at 11:26 am

    later Chips 😉

  2. 2 CTGirl
    November 10, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Fact is the Repubs will hold their noses and vote for Willard.

    • 3 Debz
      November 10, 2011 at 11:41 am

      Agreed, and other than Huntsman, none of the repug candidates feel the need to go after Romney. Having an anti-romney website is meaningless if no one calls him out. I read that last night mittens blamed PBO of attacking his flip flopping, ignoring huntsman. This was the perfect opening for anyone to go after mitt’s soul-less nature, but no one said anything.

      • 4 jacquelineoboomer
        November 10, 2011 at 1:27 pm

        I wouldn’t be surprised if PBO “shunned” everything that Huntsman did, acting not only like he doesn’t matter – but also like he doesn’t exist. It’s the kind of treatment a betrayer deserves. At least, that’s what my evil twin thinks.

  3. 5 relellit
    November 10, 2011 at 11:38 am

    If the RepubliCons are organizing groups to oppose Mittens as the Republican presidential nominee, does that mean they want the beady- eyed, serial, divorcer for the nominee?

    I sure hope not I can’t stand his bloviating.

  4. 6 PoliticalJunkessa
    November 10, 2011 at 11:44 am

    The more infighting the better, I say. :mrgreen:

    • 7 isonprize
      November 10, 2011 at 12:30 pm

      PJ, I am so with you. Like Pres. Obama said on Leno (or was it Letteman…I can’t remember)

      Anyway. PBO said that he was just going to “wait until they got voted off the island” 😆 😆

    • 8 utaustinliberal
      November 10, 2011 at 1:28 pm

      Totally agree with you PJ. I hope they go after Romney more for being a flip flopper so when it comes to the general election a broad base of voters know that he has no core and will bow where the wind blows.

  5. November 10, 2011 at 11:48 am

    The Sandusky Grand Jury Report

    If you can bear it, read it (pdf). What shocked me was the number of times Sandusky was seen by associates obviously being inappropriate (how I hate that weasel Clinton word) with boys. The pattern was everywhere. It was not just one incident – the brutal rape in the shower – at all. And what makes this pattern of rape and abuse so disturbing, of course, is that Sandusky simultaneously set up a charity as a safe place for boys from troubled families or single parents – the most emotionally vulnerable kids of all. In order to rape them. A reader writes:

    I was at dinner last night. Joe Paterno came on the television and I said Penn State should fire him. I got bombarded by another couple. He’s not legally responsible and it’s no one’s business. If the school fired him he could sue. The couple who doubted my intelligence both coach, one is a teacher, and both are evangelical Christians. Your Honor, I rest my case.


    • 10 Brittany
      November 10, 2011 at 11:52 am

      I couldn’t even make it through the entire report. I cannot get the images out of my head.

      • November 10, 2011 at 11:57 am

        me neither….they enabled a child rapist

        • 12 Brittany
          November 10, 2011 at 12:02 pm

          This whole situation is a mess. I have not been able to get a good night’s sleep, due to this case.

        • 13 utaustinliberal
          November 10, 2011 at 1:50 pm

          I just read the report and I couldn’t take it anymore because you expect the number of victims to stop and it just goes on and on and on. My goodness, there were multiple witnesses and no one stopped this sick bastard! My heart bleeds for the children and families who went through these horrific incidences. There are no words to explain how sad this whole scandal is. No child, heck no one should ever have to suffer such abuse at the hands of someone whom they trusted. Those Penn State students who were protesting yesterday need to read this report and realize that they are all misguided fools. These families are the real vicitms; Joe Paterno and all those involved are cowardly, money-grubbing cretins.

      • 14 SueBee
        November 10, 2011 at 12:02 pm

        Same here..brought me to tears last night..

        • 15 jacquelineoboomer
          November 10, 2011 at 1:30 pm

          I’m a 65 y/o great grandmother and even I would have jumped in to save the child from the molester. There is absolutely no excuse for the behavior of the witnesses, much less the coaches and administrators.

          • 16 HZ
            November 10, 2011 at 1:53 pm

            I am with you on this Jacquelineoboomer. I heart is in much pain. No excuses for this behavior at all. None. Just none. My heart hurts for the children. HZ

    • 17 PoliticalJunkessa
      November 10, 2011 at 11:58 am

      Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting. I think the worst is yet to come.

    • 18 Linda
      November 10, 2011 at 12:06 pm

      Penn State Scandal: Jerry Sandusky Rumored To Have ‘Pimped’ Boys To Donors: REPORT


      Friday former longtime Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky was charged with 40 child sex crimes alleged to have taken place throughout the city of State College, PA.


    • 23 isonprize
      November 10, 2011 at 12:30 pm

      You know I can’t read it. CAN’T. EVEN. CLICK. THE. LINK.

      • 24 TrumpDog
        November 10, 2011 at 1:32 pm

        It’s awful. Victim after victim. But Jerry was the same; same moves, same actions, same everything. Took advantage of so many for so long.
        Then you had people around him that did nothing. Surely if this was a pattern of behavior – him showering with young kids, taking them on trips, having overnight visits, buying gifts – more people would have wondered what is going on? And then to SEE and know he was acting inappropriate after being told by graduate student, wouldn’t someone have put 2 and 2 together?

  6. 25 hopefruit2
    November 10, 2011 at 11:50 am


    // FLASH: State Dept expected to announce it will explore new route for Keystone XL pipeline, sources briefed on matter //

  7. November 10, 2011 at 11:57 am

    People may hold their nose and vote for a candidate, but that is not the same as inspiring people to work their hearts out for you. If a “hold your nose” candidate were running against a lackluster Dem that would be one thing, but if such a candidate runs against a man with the stunning charisma, dynamic people skills, brilliant mind, loving heart, mastery of issues and political savvy of Barack Obama, then there is, in my opinion, no contest. You cannot manufacture love. And people who will give their all for the president will do so with their whole hearts. If you are going against a sitting president you’d better generate a lot of devotion among your supporters. Somehow I don’t see Ken doll Willard stirring hearts.

    • 34 donna dem 4 obama
      November 10, 2011 at 12:38 pm

      Republicans couldn’t stand John McCain but he got more Republicans votes than any Republican candidate in history (59,000,000+). They also don’t require as much grassroots because they have conservative talk radio (that is in all pockets all across the country) and Fox news that is almost as good as a grassroots effort to GOTV. Repubs are just better at going out and voting than we are. With that said you are absolutely right about PBO. He is a phenomenal candidate and he learned from the failures of previous Dem candidates that you have to inspire your voters to want to work hard to make sure you win. PBO will do exceptionally well against Williard but Repubs will rally behind the “Ken doll” just as the did for McCain in 2008 because although they don’t like Williard they hate PBO more. Also don’t discount that the Repubs will put someone very popular on the VP ticket (just like they did with Palin) to boost Ken…I mean Williard with their base.

      • November 10, 2011 at 12:48 pm

        yup, their GOTV is all those 24×7 rwnj talk radio and pox news. And their goose step mentality while disgusting is very effective. The left needs to learn the value of a vote and sop being electoral eunuchs.

      • 36 nintendowii10
        November 10, 2011 at 12:51 pm

        The only reason why McCain got that many votes is because of Sarah being his VP.

        As for rallying behind Willard, I don’t see it happening because he’s a liberal Mormon from the Northeast. They might despise President Obama, but rallying behind a liberal Republican from the Northeast? I just don’t see it happening.

        • 37 jacquelineoboomer
          November 10, 2011 at 1:35 pm

          McCain also got votes because of his former-POW status. I think those are the votes that corrected the votes he also lost (I know of some) BECAUSE he put Palin on his ticket.

          We can’t take anything for granted (as we all know).

        • November 10, 2011 at 1:37 pm

          Look at what happened in 2010. Repubs put ignorant ass teabaggers in Congress. I mean ignorant. Most didn’t know the first thing about how Congress works and it appears they still don’t. Obviously some voters have learned their lessons about the do-nothing republicans, but I agree with Donna. They hate President Obama. Someone linked to a youtube video of an older white woman (they vote) who had all the wacko right wing talking points down to a science and prior to the video the moderator was pretty clear that this woman is far from being alone. Again they HATE President Obama. How could they vote for McCain after seeing what a dunce and low-life Sarah Palin was. She literally brought out the very worst in people. I think we are going to have work our butts off to make sure that Republicans don’t use voter suppression and other tactics to steal the election. I am very concerned about Diebald machines. The reason the people won in Ohio was because of the boots on the ground and staying on top of the Republican dirty tricks.

      • 39 FiredUpInCA
        November 10, 2011 at 1:10 pm

        Excellent assessment Donna. We have to remember what inspires us does not inspire the other side. Fox and fear driven seniors gave favored the GOP by 21 points during the midterms. That wasn’t love for their candidates that drove them. Fox, fear and hate drove them to the polls in ahistorically high numbers for a midterm election, not compassion and inspiration.

        • 40 HZ
          November 10, 2011 at 2:09 pm

          Super excellent assessment Donna. We have to remember to focus on why we have and are still investing time, efforts, money, hours, and footprints on the ground for our President, Barack Obama. Look at the crop on that stage. We have the best. Now we just need to stay calm, focus, fact the lies, address others with the facts, and work our bottoms off for President Obama.

          We will not look and wish we had some of their food from their plates. We have a well thought out menu, prepared with the best chefs, foods grown in the best soils, tended to with much care from some of the best in the business, and most of all a man who has proven to all of us and the world that he is the leader that we were looking for, found, got behind him, and work hard and put him in the WH.

          Now that we have so much under our belts to hold up POB, lets tighten the belt with courage, inspiration, good fight in our blood, rational thinking daily, moving with grace, energy, and diligence like our leader, and we will have victory in Nov. 2012. It is a fact. However, we must keep our eye on the ball, spread the facts about what POB has accomplished inspite of the angry, ugly, and hateful politics being used against him and the American people daily.

          We Will Win this one for the many American people who need for us to complete the task that he started.
          “We Do Not Quit. I Do Not Quit.”President Barack Obama, State of the Union Speech. Okay. Remember also what Tally wrote to us last week. So let us stay focus and do what we know we must do.HZ

  8. November 10, 2011 at 11:57 am

    mittens toon.

    This should gel well with that hill piece. (how is that for rhyming ? 🙂 )

  9. 43 nintendowii10
    November 10, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    As far as Repubs holding their noses and voting for Willard, I have to disagree. Willard isn’t exciting to the right wing Republican base because he’s a liberal Mormon from the Northeast. He faces the exact same problem John McCain did, which is why he’ll have to do what McCain did with a hail mary pass and pick a right winger VP to win right wing support.

    I’m thinking Barbour seeing as Barbour is done as Governor in Mississippi, he has huge roots in the South, and he’s a governor. Given, Barbour will have baggage with that racist license plate crap he tried to pull in Mississippi, as well was wanting a holiday for Confederates, but who else is there to pull in Southern votes? McDonnell in VA maybe, or if Romney wants to echo McCain’s mistake from 2008, Nikki Haley of South Carolina. And Jim Demint said he’s “not going to endorse a candidate.” There’s also Bachmann, but she’s been proven to be a gaffe machine and even the Teabags want her out of the race.

    Willard may excite the Republican establishment enough to nominate him, but that’s just the primaries. He’s just not delivering the right wing values that the wingers hold dear, hence why the wingers are behind Cain for the moment.

  10. November 10, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    November 10, 2011 11:20 AM
    GOP hostility towards students continues apace
    By Steve Benen

    We talked a couple of weeks about Republican hostility towards federal aid for college students. Pat Garofalo posted this video from last night’s debate, showing several leading candidates denouncing the very idea of the federal government helping young people get their degree.

    Garofalo’s summary was spot-on:

    Outstanding student loan debt is projected this year to hit $1 trillion for the first time, while the average college student now graduates with more than $25,000 in debt. Federal student aid has failed to keep pace with the skyrocketing cost of tuition, even as the U.S.’s educational attainment begins to trail that of other developed nations.

    According to the Lumina Foundation, by 2025, the U.S. will be short 16 million college educated workers. But according to the GOP presidential candidates, who took part in yet another primary debate last night, the government should deal with these problems by doing away with federal student loans.

    I’d just add that Republican hostility towards student aid appears to be broadening and intensifying. Indeed, though he wasn’t pressed on the issue last night, Herman Cain is another Republican presidential candidate who is on record saying Washington should make no effort to help young people and their families with college costs.


    • 49 Jessica
      November 10, 2011 at 12:35 pm

      Well would you look at that. Young people are oh so disappointed with Obama but Republicans want to get rid of student loans and pell grants and Obama increased pell grants and wants to help young people with their debt. Oh my cheese and crackers. My college is paid for when I decide to go (hello Tuition Assitance and G.I. Bill) but that sucks for everyone else.

      And wtf liberals looovvve Ron Paul, really?? Mr. “Let’s abolish Dept. of Education and student loans”. Perplexed.

    • 50 donna dem 4 obama
      November 10, 2011 at 12:43 pm

      This is why when I read posts from far too many of the youth at OWS say that there is no difference between the Dems and the Repubs it makes my blood boil.

  11. 52 ChristiMtl
    November 10, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Official ‘Cain Truth’ Site Attacks Accusers

    Now the campaign has an entire website dedicated to driving that message home, CainTruth.Com.


    • 53 Brittany
      November 10, 2011 at 12:22 pm

      On Morning Joe this morning, he revealed that they were basically trying to scare, the women. It’s is despicable for Cain to do something like this, there must be some truth in the women’s claims.

      • 54 nintendowii10
        November 10, 2011 at 12:24 pm

        This is the same Cain who had the audacity to refer to Nancy Smash as “Princess Nancy” during last night’s debate, and he wants us to believe he hasn’t and doesn’t sexually harass women… riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! 🙄

        • 55 jacquelineoboomer
          November 10, 2011 at 1:40 pm

          Whether these are proven allegations or not, any of us women who have been sexually harassed in the workplace (I used to be young and thin and cute) can smell a pattern when we see it. Where are the Republican women spokespersons?

  12. 57 Ladyhawke
    November 10, 2011 at 12:25 pm


    GOP Candidates: Federal Student Loans Are ‘An Absurdity,’ ‘A Total Failure’


    As ThinkProgress’ Zaid Jilani has explained, “millions of Americans have benefited from the ability to go to school thanks to the federal student lending programs first pioneered in the 1960′s and 1970′s. According to data from the Department of Education, 9,020,465 Americans utilized the federally subsidized student loan program during the last academic year.” Blaming federal aid for rising tuition is a favorite conservative canard, with little basis in reality.

    As for the problem of student loan debt, the Roosevelt Institute’s Mike Konczal has some good ideas here, including mass refinancing of all student loans “into the current low rates the financial sector enjoys.” Instead of embracing something along those lines — and helping students gain an education that for more and more people is becoming a heavier and heavier burden — the GOP wants to throw the student loan program out altogether and leave students to the mercy of the banks.



    • 58 Ladyhawke
      November 10, 2011 at 1:07 pm

      VIDEO: Five GOP Candidates, Zero Solutions For The Housing Crisis


    • 59 FiredUpInCA
      November 10, 2011 at 1:15 pm

      This is an odd turn of events. The GOP was in support of student loans when the government was subsidizing banks to processing them. Now that this President and a Reid/Pelosi-led congress eliminated banks as middlemen, there is uniform hostility toward the student loan program.

      • 60 Ladyhawke
        November 10, 2011 at 1:26 pm


        Education is the key to our future. The GOP has reached a level of depravity that is just shocking. Every time I think they can’t get meaner and more vindictive, they prove me wrong.

    • 61 COS
      November 10, 2011 at 1:20 pm

      The answer that Romney gave on housing, where he mentioned Freddie and Fannie was a big lie according to CNN’s fact check. They fact checked it early this morning with a big red check that it was a lie. The entire statement was a lie. As a so-called businessman, one would think that he would have know how the housing crisis got started.

      • 62 jacquelineoboomer
        November 10, 2011 at 1:42 pm

        Oh, he knows, COS. He just thinks low-information voters don’t, so he can pretty much say whatever he wants.

      • 63 Debz
        November 10, 2011 at 1:49 pm

        Mittens just repeats talking points, lies or not, it’s the same thing with him accusing the President of “apologizing for America” just a talking point. Trouble is, no one ever asks him a follow up. He should be required to explain what he means, but he wouldn’t be able to because no one has programed the answers into his brain.

        • 64 HZ
          November 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm

          If Mitt Willard is the nominee, his talking points will be crumbles to the facts and delivery of what POB will be able to do. We know that POB did not “apologized for America, and POB will be able to defend these foolish clowns with facts.HZ

  13. 65 Bobfr
    November 10, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    America – Today, #KOCHMAFIAGOP in the Senate will inform you, by their vote, if are With or Against our Veterans having jobs. WeWillRemember


    • 66 anniebella
      November 10, 2011 at 12:44 pm

      Only time these sorry ass Republicans think of the troops ( veterans) is when they want to sent them off to war. Other than that the veterans are just like the firefighters, teachers, policemen to the GOP. Nothing.

  14. 67 jacquelineoboomer
    November 10, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Saw this quote somewhere, which reminds me of Perry’s (heck, it could apply to all of ’em) debate performance last night:

    “I don’t even not understand in a way that’s understandable.”

  15. 68 Brittany
    November 10, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Lets talk foreign policy. The foreign policy debate is Saturday, so who do you all think will do well? Herman Cain needs to be hammered by the moderator(s) of the debate about his lack of knowledge on China and their nukes.

  16. November 10, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Good Afternoon TODers

    I saw this video and had to share it.

    Meet The 0.01 Percent: War Profiteers
    Delghted to see them put names and faces up so the Koch brothers won’t be lonely


  17. November 10, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Kudos to Rhode Island folks for this great idea

    Staying on the job: A program in Rhode Island helps businesses keep people employed

  18. November 10, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    This guy is just sooo smart
    Marcin Jakubowski: Open-sourced blueprints for civilization

    He refers to his inventions as “civilization in a box”

    Hope we can use some of these ideas in this country


  19. 78 Ladyhawke
    November 10, 2011 at 1:18 pm



    Senate Judiciary Committee Advances Respect For Marriage Act | Moments ago, in a vote of 10 to 8, the Senate Judiciary Committee reported out the Respect for Marriage Act, which would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and allow the federal government to provide benefits to couples in same-sex marriages. It’s not clear when the Senate will take up the measure. Watch it:

    A White House spokesman just issued the following statement: “President Obama applauds today’s vote by the Senate Judiciary Committee to approve the Respect for Marriage Act, which would provide a legislative repeal of the so-called “Defense of Marriage Act.” “The President has long believed that DOMA is discriminatory and has called for its repeal. We should all work towards taking this law off the books. The federal government should not deny gay and lesbian couples the same rights and legal protections afforded to straight couples.”



  20. November 10, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Hola you all! I wanted to share this, sorry I don’t have a link it was just a small item in my local rag. A New Mexico power company has been awarded federal grants of 2.8 mil to bring electricity to rural Navajo homes in AZ, NM, and UT. Some of the grant will also be used for wind turbines on the reservations in SD.

    Thank you, President Obama! This is a BFD for our Navajo neighbors and for SD.

  21. November 10, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    My Tweet
    @SenatorBurr #Veterans Cant Wait Im hoping that even if you cant support teachers,cops and workers, you can support our Veterans.

  22. 84 Chipsticks
    November 10, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Hi everyone, heads up for Jay Carney’s press briefing:


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