Chat away

(Dec 2009, Pete Souza)

Chat away, back in a while.

304 Responses to “Chat away”

  1. December 18, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    • December 18, 2012 at 5:04 pm

      • December 18, 2012 at 5:08 pm

        BTW, Chips, that link is to a TOD comment – my little scheme to bring more and more ‘eyeballs’ to your wonderful community (and it saves me having to send 14 separate tweets πŸ™‚ )

        Yes We Can

        • 4 vcprezofan2
          December 18, 2012 at 5:15 pm

          ‘And it saves me..’ πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

          I’ve often wondered where you find the time, given all your other commitments!

          • December 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm

            I compose most of my tweets & comments that have details like the list at that link while preparing dinner, walking to appointments (walk almost exclusively instead of driving) or in the wee hours. Then, largely thanks to Tweetdeck (on my iPhone, especially) and browser tabs which I keep open to many of my work related sites, as well as, TOD, whenever I get a few moments, boom – hit and run πŸ™‚

            • 6 vcprezofan2
              December 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm

              Doesn’t it slow down your computer to have several browsers open? When I have three open my laptop seems slower, or is that in my head?

              • December 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm

                When at my computer, like I am now, I’m on a really powerful device with a very, very large monitor, so speed is not an issue, fortunately πŸ™‚
                Also, I only have one browser application running, but have numerous tabs loaded so I just switch between them as needed, such as now when I’m on a boring conference call and can check in on you folk πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

  2. 13 vcprezofan2
    December 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    I knew it! I knew it! I just knew if I got up and walked away Chips would post a new thread. Come on you all, say ‘thank you, VC’. πŸ˜†

    • December 18, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Thank you VC – as requested πŸ™‚

    • 22 vcprezofan2
      December 18, 2012 at 5:10 pm

      Good for you Bobfr! You stayed the course. I went and sewed the missing hook on to offspring’s black pants so he’ll be ready to go and hear his memorial composition played at his former high school. One of his music teachers passed away unexpectedly over the summer and as he was out of the country he was unable to attend the funeral. Being who he is, he composed a piece in her memory, and the school orchestra will be playing it as a tribute to her, at some point in their holiday concert.

    • 33 Pamela
      December 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm

      Thank you, VC.

      • 34 vcprezofan2
        December 18, 2012 at 6:04 pm

        Well, Miss Pamela, how ARE you?

        • 35 Pamela
          December 18, 2012 at 6:12 pm

          To answer that would take some time, VC, but all in all, I am doing well enough. Each day carries it’s own rhythm. I miss the lady, it has been two weeks. Sleeping some big shifts, oh yes I am, and no way am I showing up for Rise and Shine for a while! I feel as if I am starting to catch up. Looking good to take the rest of the month off, then start up in the New Year. For that, I am profoundly grateful, I had no idea I was so utterly exhausted. Been working in the garden, clearing out a bit in the basement, just in small and specific ways. And lurking more than commenting, this is a quiet time for me. Thank you for asking, no magnets yet, but soon I hope! Xo

          • 36 vcprezofan2
            December 18, 2012 at 6:50 pm

            ‘I had no idea I was so utterly exhausted.’

            See, you are realizing what I hinted friends had told me – that sometimes you can go non-stop for a long, long time, but when you do stop it’s like everything catches up to you. I am so happy to hear that you are now resting and taking things easy…for you. πŸ˜‰

  3. 39 Nena20409
    December 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Thank you chips.

    Congrats Bobfr. Thanks for all you do.

  4. 41 susanne
    December 18, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    thanks, chips! hope your day is going well πŸ™‚

  5. 42 Rain
    December 18, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Thank you Chips, and everyone here for this wonderful place!

  6. December 18, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Perspective ….

    • 44 HZ
      December 18, 2012 at 5:32 pm

      Vc, this is one of the reasons we teachers do what we do/did each and everyday, because of beautiful students like your wonderful son.
      Give him a hug from this senior teacher. And a huge thank you to you, also comes with it..HZ

      • 45 vcprezofan2
        December 18, 2012 at 6:07 pm

        Hello there HZ; keeping strong, are you? Will pass on your hug, tomorrow night as we get ready to leave for the concert. πŸ˜€

        • 46 HZ
          December 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm

          VC, am fine. Good to hear you are “keeping strong” as well. Thanks for passing that hug for me. So special. Enjoy the concert and be so proud. My heart is filled with so much joy for and your beautiful son.HZ

    • 47 utaustinliberal
      December 19, 2012 at 5:21 am

      That’s disturbing.

  7. 48 dotster3
    December 18, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    I think I need reassurance on the “deal”, and I realize there’s no final decisions and only rumors, and I don’t want to be called an “emo” —-“emu” would be ok tho—-but —-sigh. Anyone got some calming, good news?

    • December 18, 2012 at 5:32 pm

      We have yet to hear the President tell us what he has agreed to support. Until then, I don’t hear anything except noise. Hope that helps.

      #TrustBarack He’s Earned It

    • 53 Bill
      December 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm

      My opinion is to trust PBO and wait until the deal is announced. Everything else is speculation.

    • 56 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      December 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm

      Dotster3, I ignore the talking heads; my bottom line is I trust PBO to negotiate a deal that benefits the 98%.

    • 57 Rain
      December 18, 2012 at 5:35 pm

      I agree, wait for PBO to make a statement on it. His is the only word we can really trust in this mess anyway.

    • 60 theo67
      December 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm

      UT posted a few tweets in the last thread about some comments that Nancy Pelosi made today about the President that might encourage and reassure you. She has said in the past that Dems trust the President to negotiate based on their shared Democratic principles – basically, that his heart is in the right place with these negotiations. Today, she said that she trusts him 100% and feels confident in what she’s hearing and that she’s also confident that the majority of Dems in Congress will be happy to vote for the negotiated deal. The only line she’s drawn is on raising the Medicare age, but she seems ok with what she’s hearing about the CPI.


      I hope that helps!

    • 63 susanne
      December 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm

      i’m nervous, too, dotster, though i know our president is super smart and completely committed to protecting ‘we the people’. i keep reminding myself that the deal he cut last time, which the pundits called a sell-out, was actually a very strategic and excellent deal for us. so the good, calming news is: pundits don’t know squat–they are to laugh at.

    • 66 cman
      December 18, 2012 at 6:56 pm

      If we go over the cliff. We get the tax plan we want but… and this is a big but. The debt ceiling is still there (and republicans feeling hurt will be sure to use it), we get no new stimulus, while payroll tax cuts expire and unemployment benefits lapse (two highly stimulative entities on the economy right now). In essence we win the battle and lose the war, BADLY (as economy tanks).

      What the president is doing is using his strong hand of threat of letting the cuts all expire to get some things he would not otherwise get. The final deal in unknown, we should wait to see what it is and trust that as Barack so eloquently reminded us after the first debate

      We need to Chill, he’s got this. πŸ™‚

      • December 18, 2012 at 8:30 pm

        Ad indeed, he does. πŸ™‚

      • 68 Lovepolitics2008
        December 18, 2012 at 8:43 pm

        I think you’re right about the president’s objectives, but I’m nervous he can attain them. Republicans seem confident they won’t pay at the polls if they don’t cooperate. The general population is not mobilized enough. I surely hope the president still has some tricks in his bag. It’s tough because people are distrated by Christmas, and the horror of Newtown. What can the president gain, when the population isn’t mobilized in the millions?? This plan B by the republicans is making me very nervous. I hate to say this, but I’ve come to despise republicanss so much it’s not good for my soul. They’re an instrument of destruction.

        On the other matter of assaukt weapons, do you sense, watching tv today, that republicans are going to dig in their heels ?? I mean, even after the nightmare of Newton”, they are NOT giving up their damn killing machines!! And we’re supposed to believe they will behave in the fiscal cliff negociations?

        How on earth can President Obama succeed in getting any deal with those lunatic, ignorant, ideological, facts-averse fools who control the House of representatives?

        Sorry, I’m discouraged tonight.

  8. 69 dotster3
    December 18, 2012 at 5:35 pm

  9. 70 donna dem 4 obama
    December 18, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    I don’t proclaim to have a crystal ball and clearly I am not all knowing but some of the very folks who are stamping their feet on twitter today about “all” they did to get PBO re-elected are now throwing their hissy fits over these negotiations. Funny thing is that I can’t think of a single time that they tweeted that they went to volunteer or made a single call. I know that everyone doesn’t talk about their participation but generally people do. I just find it interesting that when the campaign was going on I saw nothing about them volunteering and now that they have worked themselves up into a mess over the rumors swirling around today they ALL did SOOOO much to get him elected. My vote, my activism and my time volunteering for the Obama campaign was not done with conditions. After 4 years you would think these people would know him by now.

    This is from PBO to all the “doubters” πŸ™‚

    • 71 theo67
      December 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm

      They will all be the ones to then declare that their hissy fits are what forced PBO to do “x” and “y”. They’re exhausting.

    • 72 jackiegrumbacher
      December 18, 2012 at 5:50 pm

      Oh, Donna, you are so right. They are, and always have been, all talk and no action. When you’re actually out there doing the job you don’t have time to wring your hands over rumors. They’re all phonies, pure and simple.

      • 73 vcprezofan2
        December 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm

        Plus, IMO, the bottom line is that they didn’t do their ALL “for” PBO, they did it for themselves! Usually I ignore them, but it always strikes me as ironic and deluded that they think they did it FOR him. People simplistic enough to believe that would take up too much time to enlighten….. whatever.

    • 74 symmetry11
      December 18, 2012 at 5:56 pm

      Thank you, Donna!

    • 75 nathkatun7
      December 18, 2012 at 6:37 pm

      Thank you so much Donna dem for saying so well everything I feel about these armchair quarterbacks who continuously think they are better at calling the plays in these negotiations than the President. I want proof that all these people yelling at the President volunteered to register voters, or volunteered, day in and day out, to get out the vote. Many of us who did that did it because we trust and respect the President to look out for our interests. Speaking for myself, in the past four years, President Obama has done nothing that would make me question his judgement, courage, integrity, and commitment to the betterment of all Americans. By the way, I also loved your song selection to go with your comment.

      • 76 Lovepolitics2008
        December 18, 2012 at 8:47 pm

        Reading their comments you can’t help but being astonished by the political naivete of many of them…

    • December 18, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      “My vote, my activism and my time volunteering for the Obama campaign was not done with conditions. After 4 years you would think these people would know him by now.”


      Thank you Donna – it’s because of do-ers like you that PBO is one of only 6 Presidents to be elected twice by > 51%.

      That pack of whiners on Twitter, various blogs and ‘progressive’ broadcast media will forever own their contribution to 2010 and it’s aftermath.


      • 78 HZ
        December 18, 2012 at 7:02 pm

        Donna Dem, again thank you for your spirit of truth. My complete beliefs will always be of the same.
        “My vote, my activism and my time volunteering for the Obama campaign was not done with conditions. After four years you would think these people would know him by now.” Amen, Donna. Thank you for this word.HZ

    • December 18, 2012 at 8:01 pm

      I *love* this song! (And I totally agree with you. I’ve had to step away from Twitter and Facebook because of the negative comments and tantrums. Why do we have to go through this AGAIN.)

  10. 80 yardarm756
    December 18, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    This is not a joke, it’s not religious, it’s not political.

    It’s just . . . special. I think you’ll agree.


  11. 95 capricornrising
    December 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    * thank you * ;~)

  12. 96 capricornrising
    December 18, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    lol @ “if you don’t know me by now”…wz thnkg ’bout that song few days ago. amazes me how we’re all so connected, so threaded throughout this universe. yeah, i go there. just as true star gazer. πŸ˜‰

  13. 99 capricornrising
    December 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    meant to say a star gazer… where’s the correct-it button?

  14. 101 susanne
    December 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    my new year’s resolution: i’m not reading or listening to ezra klein ever again. starting right now. i’m through with that weasely dickwad. he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and he just won’t shut up.

    • 102 jackiegrumbacher
      December 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm

      Good one, susanne, and, as someone who’s never read or listened to him, I can tell you it’s easy to keep. Keeps you healthier and allows you to sleep more soundly. And believe me, you miss nothing important.

      • 103 susanne
        December 18, 2012 at 5:56 pm

        that’s so true, jackie. for some reason he’s been pushed forward as an essential analyzer, a ‘wonk’, and yet he’s just spouting his opinions. i don’t need the irritation, and he has nothing to say that i need to hear. whew! i feel relief already!

        • 104 carolyn
          December 18, 2012 at 6:00 pm

          He has a super inflated idea of his brilliance….and certain “pundits” keep reinforcing it. He is a callow youth without any experience.

        • 105 theo67
          December 18, 2012 at 8:37 pm

          Paul Ryan has been pushed forward as a “wonk”, too. Tells you something about the wonks, doesn’t it?

    • 106 jacquelineoboomer
      December 18, 2012 at 6:07 pm

      So many of ’em get impressed by their own importance, and then go up in smoke when they start to just babble on and on, and lose all credibility. And then the next one pops up, like another weed in a garden. And so on and so on …

      I have begun to dislike even seeing Ezra’s mouth start to move, much less hear what he’s sayin’. I, for one, am no longer listening.

    • 108 anniebella
      December 18, 2012 at 6:44 pm

      susanne, I think that is a wise decision. By now it is clear E. Klein just want to cause trouble for POTUS even if he has to lie.

  15. December 18, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Chipsticks my comments wont post for some reason, I dont know if its my settings or did I do something that was against the rules or upset somebody? If so I apologize profusely and would like to know if was out of bounds in any way shape or form, how to correct that. I am very new to this community and immensely appreciate the sounding board you provide here! You even inspired me to create a blog on wordpress that I’m pretty sure no one has ever or will ever read but is a really nice platform. I just had surgery on my patella tendon in my foot an am recovering and have been greatfull to have found your wonderful forum. I hope you re-consider allowing me to be part of TOD, regardless thanks for what you do sincerely Tarak.

    • December 18, 2012 at 8:35 pm

      Hi Lovely Plains, no worries at all, sorry for the delay, just got back to the blog now. The problem is that you were signing in with ‘Lovely Plains’ with your last comment, it was ‘The Lovely Plains’ before, so the automated thingie here was picking you up as a new visitor. Comment cleared!

      • 111 amk for obama
        December 18, 2012 at 8:49 pm


        • December 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm

          whoops**@, what I think is going on is since I created a wordpress account whenever I click on TOD it automatically has a toolbar at the the top of the screen, for instance I can just click like on your posts. But when I go to post a comment it automatically has my twitter account recognized. Any suggestions thanks!

    • December 18, 2012 at 7:05 pm

      Okay, that’s misleading data. In WA, for instance, we have a 95% seat belt compliance rate–that lowers deaths by motor vehicles. Alaska…seriously? They barely have any roads, much less cars. You have to fly everywhere. Just sayin’.

  16. 117 jacquelineoboomer
    December 18, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    I love that photo of our President, Chips. The little boy in him is wistfully looking out at the snow where the other kids are playing, but the man in him has the weight of the world at his back. I hope he gets some much needed rest in the Great State of Hawaii, with the family, over the holidays.

    • 118 carolyn
      December 18, 2012 at 6:05 pm

      I love the picture of him, but, now I hope I don’t step on anyone’s toes or preferences here, but I am so glad they got rid of those gold brocade drapes. The re-do of the oval office is now so much warmer and welcoming.

      • 119 jacquelineoboomer
        December 18, 2012 at 6:09 pm

        Not my toes or preferences, since I agree!

      • 120 susanne
        December 18, 2012 at 6:12 pm

        i know the fiscal crisis and the two wars and all the other pressures kept the obamas from ripping out everything in the white house that had been selected by shrub and his stepford wife, but…. there’s symbolic importance in re-decorating for the new president. and the shrubs had god-awful taste.

      • December 18, 2012 at 7:39 pm

        SO glad the Obamas got to redecorate so he can work in a more comforting and stylish environment. W’s furnishings were atrocious.

      • 122 theo67
        December 18, 2012 at 8:39 pm

        I thought the exact same thing, carolyn. I’m so glad the President has HIS office now, not Bush’s office.

    • 123 Rain
      December 18, 2012 at 7:08 pm

      Such a touching commentary on the pic. It’s one of my faves too.

      • 124 jacquelineoboomer
        December 19, 2012 at 12:17 am

        Thanks. (I have a son. He’s not as old, but writing that reminded me of him. My son used to kid me in ’08, “You like Barack better than you like me!”)

        • 125 Rain
          December 19, 2012 at 12:29 am

          LOL this gave me a chuckle. My 7-year-old daughter is into politics, I assume because I am, and every now and then I’ll be watching a video or looking at pictures and she’ll say something like, “Mom I think you like him.” with this little knowing grin on her face. And so I just smile as ask her “What’s not to like?” lol

  17. 128 dotster3
    December 18, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    I see the Ct. medical examiner is calling in a geneticist to see if they can decipher any disease that led shooter to commit his horrific act. He also said he didn’t know if shooter had Aspergers, a form of autism, as rumored, but that syndrome has never been associated with violent acts. I know parents of these kids were very unhappy that this syndrome was being named and blamed for this atrocity.

    • 129 theo67
      December 18, 2012 at 8:40 pm

      I’ve seen a ton of pushback about linking Aspergers with this crime, so it seems people are on the case.

    • 130 Walking_on_ Sunshine
      December 18, 2012 at 10:11 pm

      I am the parent of a child with Aspergers and this seems to come up every time there is a shooting spree. My son is well aware that some people associate this condition with these killings and it’s very hurtful to him. These kids are much more likely to be bullied than to do harm to others. My son is older now but he has never been mean to an animal or a person or threatened me or anyone else in any way in his entire life. These kids are very naive and sweet. There is a lovely innocence about them. When they are in one on one situations with people they know and trust, they are very loving and affectionate. In crowds, they become overwhelmed by stimuli and need to find a space to be alone. People outside the family may see them as aloof but this is not true at home. They can’t interpret social signals very well so don’t realize certain things, like when to speak up or when to shut up for that matter. So they come over as being odd. Maybe I’m generalizing but that has been my experience. It may be that some of these shooters have this condition, but they are saying now that one in eighty kids has some form of Autism. It’s ridiculous to think that they are all dangerous. Also, since I’m on a roll, Aspergers is a developmental disability not a mental illness. In the same way that Downs Syndrome is a disability. Doesn’t mean that a person with either condition can’t also develop a mental illness.

      • 131 dotster3
        December 18, 2012 at 10:28 pm

        Thanks for all your inside information on the subject. I knew that was off —–blaming violent behavior on Aspergers—–when I first heard it mentioned. And I couldn’t believe no one in the media was questioning that assertion. But then again, yes I can.

        • 132 Walking_on_ Sunshine
          December 18, 2012 at 10:55 pm

          Obviously these gunmen are mentally ill dotster and maybe some of them do have Aspergers, but the condition by itself does not make a person dangerous. The one thing we do know all these young men have in common is access to guns. When my husband and I heard the first “expert” suggest that “maybe” he had Aspbergers we looked at each other and groaned.
          We are heartbroken for the families of those little children and will focus on gun control.

  18. December 18, 2012 at 6:02 pm

  19. December 18, 2012 at 6:09 pm

  20. December 18, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    In honor of the Sandy Hook angels, people around the country are doing this:

    26 Random Acts Of Kindness

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/26-random-acts-of-kindness via @buzzfeed

  21. December 18, 2012 at 6:21 pm

  22. December 18, 2012 at 6:23 pm


    • 142 susanne
      December 18, 2012 at 6:24 pm

      nice summary of the issues, bob. πŸ™‚

    • December 18, 2012 at 6:30 pm


      I would retweet, but I promised myself I’d stay off in order not to unfollow half of my TL.

      • December 18, 2012 at 6:44 pm

        Have assiduously avoided looking at my TL for the same reason, LL. It’s all sooooooo predictable and just pitiful to see people make fools of themselves, over and over and over again.

        • 145 a4alice
          December 18, 2012 at 7:47 pm

          omg you guys I just slapped spitzer out there because he was being such an emoprog asshat. jumpin jiminy christmas grumble grumble grumble

      • 146 forus50
        December 18, 2012 at 7:00 pm

        You can retweet right here at TOD. Don’t need to go to Twitter. πŸ™‚ P.S. First day I stayed off Twitter – for the most part- in a long time to avoid the whining from people who should know better.

      • 147 theo67
        December 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm

        I’ve just been retweeting from here, LL. I made the mistake of engaging some right wingers the other day, whose profiles listed that they wanted to engage in open debate. It started ok, and quickly devolved into talking points. Now, all their “friends” are tweeting me their inane two cent comments laced with talking points – reviling union workers, etc. I’ve run away for the sake of my sanity. My phone keeps beeping, so I know they’re writing to me, but I can’t go back…

    • 148 jacquelineoboomer
      December 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm

      Yeah, where’s Batman when we need him!

  23. December 18, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    NY Giants player, Victor Cruz, visits home of Newtown victim, Giants fan Jack Pinto, 6 –

    http://nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/18/news/doc50d0f8957d52d621314250.txt#.UND7bdewkgE.twitter (from @nhregister)

  24. 155 hopefruit2
    December 18, 2012 at 6:38 pm

  25. December 18, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    It’s the Media, they gin up that Obsma is caving. Soon, twitter gas it, and then Rumors start, then Ezra Cryin writes an article based in his own assumptions to support these Whiny bastards.
    Then, everybody starts tuning into Currebt tv and MSNBC to see WTF is going on and what all the hub bub is about
    It’s cyclical, and a system for ratings!

    • 158 99ts
      December 18, 2012 at 6:51 pm

      They made up stories and polls to prove that Romney would win the election – they just keep doing it again and again – problem the GOP and the pundits have is the President Obama is a man of principle – he says what he does and does what he says – very few, if any politicians do that all the time. He is also a man with great family values, a knowledge of scripture that puts many of the religious right to shame and simply an all round good guy. What Ezra & Co do not understand – the President does not rush a decision – he considers all options – and then makes the right decision.

      The pundits have nothing except lies as an opposition. The GOP don’t know how to negotiate with the truth – they believe their own lies.

    • 159 Lovepolitics2008
      December 18, 2012 at 8:54 pm

      Sadly, if President Obama has any chance to win this round , there has to be a perception that the deal hurts him politically. It’s the onkynway the gop lunatics willl vote yes.

  26. December 18, 2012 at 6:48 pm


  27. 165 susanne
    December 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    ‘The United States has eliminated more than 20 of al Qaeda’s top 30 leaders based in Afghanistan and Pakistan from the battlefield since Barack Obama became president, a top U.S. government security official said on Tuesday. ‘


  28. 167 susanne
    December 18, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    ‘ Following the mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, the cable network Discovery told Fox News that it has canceled its reality series American Guns. In October, Discovery aired a one-hour special called Ted Nugent’s Gun Country starring NRA board member and Washington Times columnist Ted Nugent, despite his history of inflammatory rhetoric. ‘


  29. December 18, 2012 at 7:08 pm

  30. 174 hopefruit2
    December 18, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Okay – as much as I hate to say this, but something about Richard Engel’s “kidnapped” story does not sit well with me.

    • 175 susanne
      December 18, 2012 at 7:19 pm

      what part?

      • 176 hopefruit2
        December 18, 2012 at 7:26 pm

        The whole story. I’ve been struggling with this since yesterday, and it intensified when I watched a clip on Rev Al.
        Anyway we will see. This is not the biggest thing on my mind right now but it’s a nagging issue.

        • 177 carolyn
          December 18, 2012 at 7:35 pm

          Could it be that the three of them looked amazingly clean, well rested, well fed, well dressed to have just escaped a week’s kidnapping? Richard had a stylish stubble, but his hair was amazingly the same as usual…the others looked comfortable, and he did all the talking…..????? Just sayin’….

          • 178 hopefruit2
            December 18, 2012 at 7:46 pm

            That’s a part of it…but the misgivings were there even before I had a chance to observe.

          • 179 susanne
            December 18, 2012 at 7:46 pm

            they were quite cheerful and jokey, yes. but presumably elated.

            • 180 carolyn
              December 18, 2012 at 7:55 pm

              Jovie believes that Engel works for the government…..CIA I assume. That doesn’t seem farfetched to me. The part of the story which I found somewhat strange, was that they just jumped out of the van and the rebels were there and took care of them while their captors were captured…….that seemed a bit smooth to me.
              But, I haven’t followed this, and I’m glad the three of them are now safe. I certainly wouldn’t and couldn’t do that job!!! Living in harm’s way is not something I find appealing. I like sitting here by my fireplace with my little poodle at my feet, and my husband in the sun room watching TV! That is my idea of a VERY good time.
              Just another word about my husband’s health, he is improving steadily. This pacemaker/defibrillator is making a marvelous difference in his life, and therefore in our entire family’s life. He is healthier now than he was all last year after his stent surgery.
              I continue to be concerned about those on this blog who are dealing with physical problems. Bless all of you.

              • 181 hopefruit2
                December 18, 2012 at 8:30 pm

                As far as know, Engel does not work for the government or CIA. I thought he was an employee of NBC – their foreign correspondent?

              • December 18, 2012 at 8:36 pm

                Please accept this in the spirit of friendly advice – speculating that any person is CIA or any other branch of our intelligence community, especially when said person spends most of their time in hostile places, potentially endangers them. I know you mean no harm, Carolyn, you are a gentle, kind person, so I hope you will not be offended by my comment. Thank you.

                • 183 carolyn
                  December 18, 2012 at 8:48 pm

                  Not the least bit offended…..I thoughtlessly carried forward something I read from someone else. I certainly would not want to endanger anyone. As I said above, I would NEVER be able to do what Engel and his team do…….

              • 184 theo67
                December 18, 2012 at 8:58 pm

                So good to hear your husband is continuing to do well, carolyn!

              • 185 jackiegrumbacher
                December 18, 2012 at 9:55 pm

                Carolyn, good news about your husband. I’m glad he’s feeling better. Good health is often all it takes to be happy, especially after a certain age.

        • 186 Chi
          December 18, 2012 at 7:51 pm

          I have my questions too Hopefruit…

        • 187 dotster3
          December 18, 2012 at 8:25 pm

          I think NBC paid big money—–a ransom—as is most always the case in these kind of situations.

  31. December 18, 2012 at 7:29 pm

  32. 190 susanne
    December 18, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    ‘ Sen. Inouye’s body will lie in repose in the U.S. Capitol rotunda, a rare honor usually reserved for presidents and historical figures.

    His casket will arrive 10 a.m. (5 a.m. Hawaii time) with visitations from 11:30 a.m. through 8 p.m.

    The last person to lie in state was President Gerald Ford in 2007.

    The casket will be guarded at each of its corners by servicemen from each of the branches of the armed forces for its duration at the Capitol.

    A Memorial service will be held at the National Cathedral on Friday at 10:30 a.m. (5:30 a.m. Hawaii time.) ‘


  33. 193 dotster3
    December 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    New photo and obituary of another Ct. victim. I want people to continue to see these beautiful, innocent faces staring back at them until we get meaningful gun control legislation—and not just “a conversation” about it. I believe the parents of this beautiful little girl were the ones who said they don’t know how to process this horror, that they don’t know how to carry on.
    (enlarged photo shows this little girl with her last birthday cake– with 6 candles)


    • 194 forus50
      December 18, 2012 at 8:29 pm

      I hear ya dotster. I am so tired of the expression “have a conversation about it”. NO. DONE talking. We demand ACTION – long, long overdue. Having endless useless “conversations” resulted in these beautiful kids now being buried by their parents.

    • 195 theo67
      December 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm

      I agree with you, dotster. I heard Joe Manchin tonight being interviewed. He was still proudly claiming to be a lifetime member of the NRA. He was still raving on about the sanctity of their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. When pressed about what exactly he plans to do – he continued to repeat a line about bringing everyone to the table, including the NRA, to hear all sides of the story and discuss the issues openly. When asked what he would vote for, he hedged and hawed, not wanting to propose anything tangible or even discuss limits. When asked directly whether he would support a retroactive bill to ban ownership of assault weapons, he was quick to proclaim that nobody was talking about confiscating anything. So, he’s all talk. If I see action from him – then I’ll eat my words, but he seems to be a toothless tiger in this.

  34. 198 dotster3
    December 18, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Jet Blue flies extended families notes cross country to be buried with 6 yr. old Noah Pozner.


  35. 199 Rain
    December 18, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    We need a place we come to relax and detox from FB and Twitter madness. Oh wait, we have it! Here! πŸ˜‰

  36. December 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    I don’t think it’s a matter of whether the emoprogs have their panties in a bunch or not, for them it’s a chronic and terminal condition. It’s just a matter of the degree of binding tension at any moment. They fantasize that the President will kick, scream, pout, holler, threaten, expectorate and convulse until THEY get everything THEY WANT. This President is the most ambitious and accomplished in our lifetimes, and we do have our annoying constitutional separation of powers THING. Plus, Barack Obama moves us FORWARD without engaging in ANY of those pathetic and ineffectual antics. I am so weary of these people that are supposed to be on our side.

    • 202 yardarm756
      December 18, 2012 at 8:19 pm

      Well said magapie. Right on point.

    • 205 Bill R.
      December 18, 2012 at 8:27 pm

      The plight of the EMOs is a chronic state of immaturity where they don’t want the responsibility of actual governance and the real world decisions that involves. They prefer to take comfort in the “purity” of their ideals where things are the way they want them to be. They find a superiority to the rest of the “commoners” who don’t understand their elevated vision and moral purity. For that reason perpetual opposition is where they consign themselves to be and angry that few understand or make common cause or honor them for their holy purity.

    • 209 forus50
      December 18, 2012 at 8:34 pm

      lol panties “degree of binding tension”.

    • 210 nathkatun7
      December 18, 2012 at 9:01 pm

      Bravo, Magapie! I am with you 100% on everything you wrote.

      • 211 magapie
        December 18, 2012 at 9:10 pm

        Thanks nathkatun7!!! (How is nathkatun6 doing?….just kidding!) The “Grand Bargain” that our nation needs so our markets don’t crash, we can FUCKING MOVE ON etc., etc.? NO ONE in the political class is going to be happy with it. That’s our democracy!!!

        • 212 nathkatun7
          December 18, 2012 at 10:48 pm

          nk#6 is retired! I totally agree with you. No one is ever completely happy with any compromise. Unfortunately, in a divided government like ours it’s rare that you get everything you want. You would think that the supposedly smart progressives would at least recognize that reality.

    • 213 amk for obama
      December 18, 2012 at 9:08 pm

      So the emopigs (thanks jovie for that FF) are acting up again ? They never learn, do they ?

      • December 18, 2012 at 9:14 pm

        Yup! They think they know it all. I don’t think they realize how loony they are? They seem
        To be competing with the loony right? At this point, it’s a wash.

    • 215 theo67
      December 18, 2012 at 9:11 pm

      Well said. “it’s a chronic and terminal condition”

    • December 18, 2012 at 10:13 pm

      Well said. I would state further that since we all KNOW this is a chronic condition with them, why do we keep fantasizing that if we are just pragmatic enough, they’ll somehow stop being this way? Why do WE keep reacting to their tantrums? When do we learn to just ignore them. They aren’t statistically important in the grand scheme of things. Let them rant. They aren’t going to take a time out just because we want them to.

      • 217 nathkatun7
        December 18, 2012 at 10:59 pm

        “When do we learn to just ignore them.”

        I get what you saying, Tien Le. These characters are probably not worthy of the time and energy we spend responding/reacting to them. I think the main reason we can’t ignore them completely is the fact that they dominate mainstream media claiming to speak for us. So, I understand and appreciate people who push back against them on tweeter and other social media. What I don’t understand are some people here who seem to buy into their exaggerations, panics and tantrums and then start doubting the President.

  37. 218 dotster3
    December 18, 2012 at 8:24 pm

  38. 219 lisalovesobama
    December 18, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Hey guys. Remember last year when that young military guy asked Miche out at that Christmas toys for tots thing she does every year? Remember she told him he’d have to ask PBO’s permission and PBO said yes? When’s the ball that they are supposed to attend? Can’t wait to see what she wears.

  39. 222 a4alice
    December 18, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    hey did anyone just get a survey from jeremy byrd? it’s about Dasboard

  40. 225 Jeff
    December 18, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    President Obama’s approval rating has taken a major upswing which is great news. πŸ™‚

    • December 18, 2012 at 10:10 pm

      Good, I’m glad. A friend was on facebook last night with some quote from a father of a Columbine (?) victim about how it’s all about prayer in school and our Godless society.

  41. December 18, 2012 at 9:40 pm

  42. 239 kasai
    December 18, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Good Evening Everyone!
    Hope you all doing well………I am getting kinda tired of the P/L regarding..What PBO should or not do…The man hasn’t said a word yet…and they all up in arm…about He better not cave, He better not this and that….enough!

  43. December 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    • December 18, 2012 at 10:40 pm

      the above post from Tomthunkit is good shows the supporters, maybes and NOs. time to email, call and tweet the heck out of them. Chips thanks for all info you and everyone here offer. thank god i’m 73 live alone and have a computer..

  44. 245 kasai
    December 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm

  45. 250 MB32
    December 18, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Clinton is not running in 2016…1) I think she’s tired but 2) Bengahzi I had a feeling that this report would be negative for the State Department and I feel bad. Of course the buck stops at the president’s desk but if these pundits try to shield Hillary and lay all of the blame at his feet I will be so upset.

    • December 18, 2012 at 9:48 pm

      Of course she’s not, MB, she told us that in Jan 2012 and I have had no reason to not believe her.

      Leadership is all about accountability and both she and the President have already acknowledged that they recognize their responsibility. That’s why they are such honorable leaders.


      • 252 MB32
        December 18, 2012 at 9:59 pm

        I always believed her when she said she wasn’t running but the pundits wouldn’t leave it alone. You have to wonder now if those pundits will continue to try to push that theory…they should let it be

        • December 18, 2012 at 10:21 pm

          Agree with you – they should ‘let it be’ but they won’t so the best we can do is give them zero bandwidth.

          As to the report, Congress gets nailed ….

  46. December 18, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    What PBO has already accomplished during the past 3 weeks ….

    …. is not insignificant, but of course, the MSN/bloger/twitter emoticons have totally missed it.


  47. 255 lamh36
    December 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Hm so the committee on the Benghazi thing has finished their report and according to Rachel Maddow, they are basically putting the chunk of the blame on the State Department “coming down hard” in her words and SoS Clinton has accepted all the recommendations the committee recommended.

    Get ready for the last bit of the PUMA brigade to starts calls of Obama throwing Hilary “under the bus”…

    • December 18, 2012 at 9:54 pm

      I am not sure PUMAS and Emo pigs are not the same?

    • 260 99ts
      December 18, 2012 at 10:04 pm

      So wasn’t there reduced funds from congress for mission security? and when does the inquiry start as to why it is no longer safe in the USA for children to go to school? One incident that (sadly) took 4 people – and congress is trying to ignore an incident that took 26 lives – there prioirities certainly are not in line with the majority of people they represent.

    • 261 anniebella
      December 18, 2012 at 10:35 pm

      lamh36, It’s to bad we can’t throw them under the bus and I will happily drive.

  48. December 18, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    McCain calls the Sandy emergency-spending bill a train ‘full of pork’

    By Ramsey Cox
    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said there are several unnecessary measures in the emergency-spending bill for Hurricane Sandy relief that the Senate is considering.

    The Senate started consideration this week of H.R. 1, a bill to provide $60 billion to Hurricane Sandy recovery efforts, but some conservatives have said the bill has unnecessary spending measures, during a time when lawmakers are trying to make spending cuts.

    β€œWe cannot look at this in a vacuum,” McCain said on the floor Tuesday. β€œNot at a time when we’re $17 trillion in debt.

    β€œIt’s like a train leaving the station β€” it’s full of pork and it’s leaving the station and everyone wants to get aboard.”

    I wish he would take a train back to Arizona, 1 way.

  49. 267 amk for obama
    December 18, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Those planning on upgrading to / buying new ‘puter with windows 8, don’t. Plenty of issues being reported. Wait for at least 6 months.

    • 268 Pamela
      December 18, 2012 at 10:18 pm

      No worries about that amk….

    • December 18, 2012 at 10:49 pm

      So now you tell me… already got ’em gift wrapped and waiting patiently under the tree. Oh well, my job is done. My mantra on gift giving is that the responsibility for gifts end for the giver, once the bow has been removed by the givee. Save said gift is one of a kind, rare, and unlikely to be found on all of earth. In that case, the giver can and should relieve the givee of any possible anguish and anxiety by taking back the gift, substitute its monetary value, and keep it for themselves as they probably wanted to do in the first place.

      Just kidding, I am a most generous giver, very seldom, if ever, darn near never, never, covet the gift I choose for others.

    • 273 Cos
      December 18, 2012 at 11:06 pm

      I already have one and thank God that I have my iPad and older PC. I need to take a class to learn how to use the one with windows 8.

  50. December 18, 2012 at 10:33 pm

  51. December 18, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    • 278 susanne
      December 18, 2012 at 10:54 pm

      our president has a gazillion critical issues on his mind every minute of every day. we have no idea how much he’s carrying. i just hope he and his family can have their christmas vacation soon.

      • December 18, 2012 at 11:14 pm

        Its ridiculous the amount of burden he carries on his shoulders, I saw a report today that says it will be over a year inbetween his next vacaction. Guess all you need is a ranch like Reagan or Bush and the media doesnt care how long you are gone.

        • 280 susanne
          December 18, 2012 at 11:21 pm

          i remember feeling relieved when shrub was at his ranch–seemed like he could do less damage there πŸ™‚

          • 281 carolyn
            December 18, 2012 at 11:34 pm

            My sister was a Bush fanatic, if you can imagine! We went to Texas for her to do some family research, and Waco was one of our stops. Well, Crawford and Bush’s “ranch” are close to Waco. She pled with me to take her there. (It was my car and I was driving) As those of you with sisters know, we do things for them that we don’t want to, just to please them. Well, Crawford is the dryest, ugliest place imaginable, and the ranch, well, we saw the gate and fence, but I believe that the press didn’t believe going there could possibly count as a vacation, it was so dead and dry. I remember the press really griping about going there, especially in the summer…HOT!!!!! and there’s nothing near; Waco has the Dr. Pepper factory and Baylor…..
            The main thing in town was a diner/gift shop that had been built after GWB bought the ranch. In it was a cardboard figure of the dolt, and she actually had me take her picture standing next to it with a big smile. She also spent a good chunk of change buying ugly souvenirs. This was in 2002. She was absolutely bonkers for him.
            For some reason, I’m still awake at this hour……getting rested after school ended, I guess.
            Thanks for all the info today. My husband frequently asks me “Where did you learn that?” I always tell him, TOD!!! I tell him those people bring all the news I need….they go places I don’t even know about, and that’s why I’m so informed!

  52. December 18, 2012 at 10:52 pm


    • 283 LunarSea
      December 18, 2012 at 11:02 pm

      Yes I remember and to appease some states screaming for ‘state’s rights’ saying states could run it better than the feds, a provision was put into the bill allowing for states to set up their own exchanges. Now those same states are opting out. Breach of Contract in most case scenerios.

      But I am happy to see them saying let the gov do it. That’s what we wanted in the first place hahaha Thank you vile GOPBastards for bringing us closer to single payer, gov run health ObamaCares. LMAO on that one. They just like to make noise, I swear.

  53. 284 LunarSea
    December 18, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Evening all. Want to know what an emo prog is you? It’s an Emo Progressive (faux to say the least) This video explains the mind set well of Emos well

  54. December 18, 2012 at 10:57 pm

  55. December 18, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Senate votes to allow rotunda use for Inouye service

    By Ramsey Cox
    The Senate passed a resolution Tuesday night allowing the Capitol rotunda to be used for the late-Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii).

  56. December 18, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Before you here morons on tv *explain* the ARB report here are the significant quotes, conclusions: it calls out Congress for underfunding the State Department for years, “The Board concluded that there was no protest prior to the attacks” “at no time were there ever any specific, credible threats against the mission in Benghazi” related to the 9/11 anniversary” “Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice” “The Board members believe every possible effort was made to rescue and recover Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith.” “The interagency response was timely and appropriate…simply was not enough time for armed U.S. military assets to have made a difference.” Report says the Libyan guards fled immediately without warning of an attack — it was a security officer who first sounded the alarm. Chris Stevens was on his cell phone requesting assistance AFTER the attack started. “The departure of the Annex team was not delayed by orders from superiors” cc: Fox News, Two drones were mobilized but both were unarmed. “The Board found no evidence of any undue delays in decision making or denial of support from Washington or military combatant commanders.” “Embassy Tripoli leadership…did not single out a special need for increased security for Benghazi.” http://t.co/XsXGOjBT Also SOS Clinton has already agreed to all 29 recommendations, hopefully you can ignore anything you hear from pundits now!

  57. 295 Maubyandice
    December 18, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Hi everyone, hope you’re all well. Before I go to sleep I just wanted to share the coolest thing that just happened – totally from a nerd’s point of view.

    So, I went on YouTube to look at a video entitled, β€œChaos, Fractals and Unpredictability – Dr. Tony Weathers”, and I happened to glance at the 20 suggested math / science videos on the right side of page, and one in particular stuck out: β€œBarack Obama’s Coolest Presidential Moments”.

    In the middle of math videos. You have no idea how absolutely trippy this made me feel. Twenty-six minutes and forty-two seconds of bliss.

    I don’t know if this video was posted here before, because I’m not always on – but I’m posting it anyway for sheer enjoyment.

    By the way, I never did look at Dr. Weathers’ vid. That will be for another time.

  58. December 18, 2012 at 11:25 pm

  59. 300 susanne
    December 18, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    interesting read about sen inouye, and racism, from seymour hersh:


  60. 301 hopefruit2
    December 18, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Dog watches Bo on TV! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

  61. 302 amk for obama
    December 18, 2012 at 11:43 pm

  62. December 18, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    It is always worth looking at again and again. who can ever get enough of him? Not Me!

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