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Journalistic Failure

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Dan Froomkin: Shutdown Coverage Fails Americans

holding the entire government hostage while demanding the de facto repeal of a president’s signature legislation and not even bothering to negotiate is by any reasonable standard an extreme political act. It is an attempt to make an end run around the normal legislative process. There is no historical precedent for it. The last shutdowns, in 1995 and 1996, were not the product of unilateral demands to scrap existing law; they took place during a period of give-and-take budget negotiations.

But the political media’s aversion to doing anything that might be seen as taking sides — combined with its obsession with process — led them to actively obscure the truth in their coverage of the votes. If you did not already know what this was all about, reading the news would not help you understand. What makes all this more than a journalistic failure is that the press plays a crucial role in our democracy. We count on the press to help create an informed electorate. And perhaps even more important, we rely on the press to hold the powerful accountable.

That requires calling out political leaders when they transgress or fail to meet commonly agreed-upon standards: when they are corrupt, when they deceive, when they break the rules and refuse to govern. Such exposure is the first consequence. When the transgressions are sufficiently grave, what follows should be continued scrutiny, marginalization, contempt and ridicule. In the current political climate, journalistic false equivalence leads to an insufficiently informed electorate, because the public is not getting an accurate picture of what is going on.

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Two Perfect Examples

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121 Responses to “Journalistic Failure”


  1. October 6, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Hey Everyone. I think that in some measure the media and journalist are just as bad as GOP, with few exceptions.

  2. October 6, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    In response to Chuckie’s latest bs ….

    Congrats on 1st Mariele 🙂

    Good topic for a thread, UT!

    • 3 MightyPamela
      October 6, 2013 at 7:10 pm

      their – yet another #fail

    • 4 coop10
      October 6, 2013 at 7:12 pm

      Chuck Todd used the wrong word. It should be “there” not “their.”

    • October 6, 2013 at 7:21 pm

      Yep, MP & coop …. didn’t seem worth the effort to point it out, he’s probably got me blocked 🙂

    • 13 nathkatun7
      October 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm

      Exactly, Bob! Every day, Chuck Todd reveals his total ignorance! Boehner is not calling for a negotiation over how much much the debt ceiling should be raised. What he and the tea bag terrorists are demanding is, at the very minimumthe repeal, or the defunding, of the ACA. Their demands have absolutely nothing to do with raising the debt ceiling! Clueless Chuckie is trying to give Boehner cover by confusing the American people suggesting that the Republicans have a legitimate position. I’ve said this before, but I will say it again, most of the mainstream media, throughout the Obama presidency, have been aiding and abating tea bag republicans who are bent on destroying this country simply because they hate the fact that Barack Obama is the President of the United States.

      • October 6, 2013 at 8:29 pm

        “I’ve said this before, but I will say it again, most of the mainstream media, throughout the Obama presidency, have been aiding and abating tea bag republicans who are bent on destroying this country simply because they hate the fact that Barack Obama is the President of the United States.”

        Exactly, nath. And, they have fueled the hate because the ultimate goal of the plutocrats is truly to achieve a fascist state – with our democratic republic drowned in Norquist’s tub.

  3. 15 MightyPamela
    October 6, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    #3

  4. October 6, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Seems folk are beginning to realize that, for sure, this is not about ACA, the deficit, military spending, etc.

    And, that NYTimes article could not have been published at a better time.

    Let’s all do everything possible to spread the word that the Coup really got rolling with the (bought and paid for) SCOTUS Citizens United decision and we are now witnessing just how determined the Kochs and their plutocrat buddies are – they will literally default the global economic system’s capital infrastructure – the US Government – if that’s what it takes for them finally to ‘drown our Constitutional Democracy in a bathtub.’

    #TrustBarack …. and stand with him

  5. October 6, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Thank you President Obama ….

    • 20 99ts
      October 6, 2013 at 7:27 pm

      I see little difference between what happened in Syria and what the GOP wants to do to America. How many have died through lack of health care – and how many will be in poverty and utter despair by the current GOP actions.

      • October 6, 2013 at 7:32 pm

        99, they could care less about the well-being of any American. They are in it for power and money.

        • 22 99ts
          October 6, 2013 at 7:54 pm

          And I am very confused as to how destroying their country will bring power and money – but maybe – as some have suggested – the idea of rational man has left the shores of the USA.

          • October 6, 2013 at 8:46 pm

            They are fascists with one objective – control the resources of the US so they can dominate the global economy. They have zero loyalty to the US or any other government. Mitt’s admiration for the Chinese Government was but a hint as to how these folk think and operate.

            They see all others as either slaves or unnecessary. Among their gravest concerns is over population of the planet – not for any reason other than resources being consumed that they don’t control. They would willingly watch 2-3 billion people starve or die of infections or however. Yes, that level of evil exists.

            What matters is that we have President Obama and billions of people on this planet who fully understand how to respect our planet, nurture future generations, and sustain peace.

            We live at a moment in the history of humanity when what we each do in the coming days and weeks will determine not just our own fate but the quality of life of future generations – way, way into the future.

            #TrustBarack

            #DoOurPart

            • 24 99ts
              October 6, 2013 at 9:07 pm

              “Among their gravest concerns is over population of the planet” – they have a seriously weird way of showing this one Bob, wanting any abortion to be illegal and refusing to accept or teach teenagers about birth control. I guess having no health care after birth is their solution to the over crowding of the planet (as you mention above)

              There is no reason to their reasons – so we are left with divine right to rule (and that didn’t do so well in Europe a couple of centuries ago) and hate on the black guy.

              • October 6, 2013 at 9:28 pm

                99, it’s essential to separate how they motivate the evangelical rubes from their intent.

                These plutocrats are big, big fans of ‘eugenics,’ for starters. More importantly, they crave productivity at the lowest cost.

                So, if they can gain sufficient control when they no longer need the rubes to vote, the rubes are dead, slaves or replaced by robots – they don’t care.

                They only care about return on investment at the lowest capital and operations costs possible.

                Their algorithm is very simple – more revenue at lower cost = more profit = greater ‘wealth.’ Anything that disrupts that algorithm is the enemy.

                It just so happens that President Obama, twice, thanks to > 51% margins disrupted that algorithm, big time.

                They know they cannot allow any further disruptions of their over-arching goal – an unfettered fascist state. If we prevail, that goal is doomed, certainly in what remains of their worthless life-times.

                • 26 99ts
                  October 6, 2013 at 9:36 pm

                  Never thought I would have to understand this – coming from the USA. The British gave up the fight of trying to rule people by religion in the 19th century – the GOP see it as the path to eternal whiteness.

                  You know how much I appreciate all your explanations Bob – but again – many thanks. I try not to be self indulgent by resorting to tears – cannot imagine how some in the US may be coping – or not.

                  http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PBO

                  • October 6, 2013 at 9:44 pm

                    Thank you 99, for your empathetic and intelligent concern. We are facing major league evil. Not the first time in the history of humanity; sadly, unlikely the last.

                    What matters – as has always been the case – is that we remain unrelenting in bending the arc of justice in a direction that protects and benefits each person.

                    We will.

          • October 6, 2013 at 8:54 pm

            99ts, I’m confused as well. Controlling a destroyed economy helps them how? Breaching the debt ceiling means failing to deliver SS checks, Medicare, and a host of vital services as well as destroying the stock market and all pension plants. A living hell will be unleashed on those who perpetrated this.

            • 29 99ts
              October 6, 2013 at 9:09 pm

              I keep “damning them to hell” – your concept of a living hell is a much better idea. I wonder how most of them would survive if they have to suffer the market collapse of 1929 – which is looking more likely every day the media supports the lies of Boehner & Co.

  6. October 6, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    • 31 nospin
      October 6, 2013 at 7:35 pm

      heh!. good one maryl1

    • 33 nathkatun7
      October 6, 2013 at 8:14 pm

      Bravo, Maryl1! You succinctly captured what’s wrong with Chuck Todd’s reporting. Chuckie either doesn’t know, or pretends not to know, GOP’s demands as a condition for raising the debt ceiling! I have not seen any GOPs talk about “how much” to raise the debt ceiling! What they are demanding, in exchange for agreeing to raise the debt ceiling, include: repealing/defunding ACA; approving the construction of keystone oil pipeline; repealing Frank-Dodd Wall Street reforms, and particularly the Consumer Protection Agency; and a Democratic pledge to embark on privatizing medicare and social security. All these have absolutely nothing to do with paying the debts that government has already incurred on expenditures that Congress approved.

    • 34 jacquelineoboomer
      October 6, 2013 at 9:33 pm

      maryl1 – Your tweets are fabulous!!!

  7. October 6, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    • October 6, 2013 at 8:18 pm

      I didn’t see this tweet until this thread.

      Of all the infuriating garbage that comes from the MSM, I think this one takes the cake.

      The MSM don’t even realize how EASY it is for them to BELITTLE our President, it’s second nature to them.

      But if someone suggests that maybe they’re being bigoted, the MSMer shuts down that conversation in a huff; the MSMer blocks anyone who suggests bigotry.

      But how many times have the MSM *automatically* belittled a President? Certainly not with the revered and sainted Reagan or Bush 41.

      MSM still hates Carter, considers him a Commie; and they still think of Clinton as Bubba even though he’s an Ivy Leaguer and Rhodes Scholar. It really seems that our MSM cannot tolerate anyone who has *actually* lived the American dream (peanut farmer… Arkansas schoolboy… Hawaiian surfer… to President). They only respect those who were to the manor born.

      Just makes me sick.

      And further underscores what a problem our MSM is.

  8. 45 utaustinliberal
    October 6, 2013 at 7:38 pm

  9. 47 Ladyhawke
    October 6, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Fox Pundits Admit Republicans Have No ‘Exit Strategy’ Following Shutdown

    By Heather

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    From this Saturday’s the Journal Editorial Report, the pundits on Fox are forced to admit that, now that they failed to stop the Affordable Care Act from going into effect, Republicans are just floundering around with no “exit strategy” other than to try to extract some sort of price for their hostage taking, in order for them to save face.

    They also admit that regardless of the damage they know it’s likely to do to our economy if we would default on our debt, many Republicans are still willing to use the debt ceiling to force their legislative agenda on the Democrats. And finally, they admit that the only thing they really care about that might move them in the end, is if it looks like this dangerous and damaging stunt of theirs might cost them some seats in the Senate during the next election.

    They’ve boxed themselves into a corner and now even the pundits on Faux “news” aren’t able to pretend ….

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    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/fox-pundits-admit-republicans-have-no-exit

  10. 48 vcprezofan2
    October 6, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    The original sin of the US once again challenges our democracy [Follow link to article. It’s a short one.]

    //………………………

    The dying beast is cornered. It knows that a democratic government will no longer protect them from the reality of the changing face of America. Rep. Paul Ryan admitted it.

    Paul Ryan offered the most candid admission of his party’s determined use of non-electoral power: “The reason this debt-limit fight is different is we don’t have an election around the corner where we feel we are going to win and fix it ourselves,” he said at the end of September. “We are stuck with this government another three years.

    He also knows that they’re “stuck with this government” way beyond the Obama presidency as long as we remain a government of, by, and for the people. And so this New Confederacy is attempting to wield the only power they have as a minority – threatening to blow the whole place up if the black guy doesn’t bow to their supremacy.

    Regardless of whether or not most Americans can see it right now, we are indeed in the midst of the 3rd Reconstruction – just as Rev. Dr. William Barber noted………………….
    ……………………….//

    http://beautifulmessthings.tumblr.com/post/63273503751/the-original-sin-of-the-us-once-again-challenges-our

  11. 49 Vicki
    October 6, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    The newspapers are indeed as evil as the Malcolm X quote on top of this post warns.
    Here’s some good news.
    In the NYC Democratic mayoral primary last month Chris Quinn was the way in front favorite of All the NY newspapers.
    Fluff pieces everyday. “Chris cooking in her kitchen, etc”
    Polls showing her strength. Papers pulled out all the stops.

    Christine Quinn got 15% of the vote in the primary coming in third.
    Three weeks later Tish James won by 20% after all the media touted her opponent.

    The media suck and bit by bit their influence is fading. really good news.

  12. 52 globalcitizenlinda
    October 6, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Since most beltway refers to the NY Times as “the paper of record”, I think any one who can needs to focus on the piece they had today.

    the stuff in there is chilling and looks criminal ( I have no legal background but I can smell stench).

    this article names the names of the participants who can be legally charged.

    I see that a number here are already demanding that legal charges be brought and I agree (thought so the very first time I read the contents of this NY article).

    we need to work on multiple fronts. so while some in the beltway can ignore the contents temporarily, there is nothing like a law suit to get their attention.

    someone needs to be charged for the damage they have done to so many through deliberate action;

    Please take the time and:

    – if you can, share this with as many people in your network and media as possible;

    – create attention-grabing tweets;

    – don’t know if States’ Attorneys General can be involved since the states can point to specific financial losses from the GOPshutdown

    – can send to citizens’ groups which understand which laws were broken;

    – see if a petition can be put out in which citizens demand an immediate investigation;

    – sent to elected representatives and political strategists;

    – wonder if the twitter accounts of “the plotters” can be identified so that we challenge them directly

    – other stuff …

  13. 53 Bill R.
    October 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Great to see a smack down on false equivalency.

  14. 55 Bill R.
    October 6, 2013 at 7:58 pm

  15. 56 globalcitizenlinda
    October 6, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    It appears that the revelations by the NY Times article today are beginning to draw the attention of other media outlets;

    The Boston Globe has now picked up the story;

    Please send messages demanding an investigation – there are actual computable losses from this GOPshutdown and some one somewhere may take it up;

    states lost money and other things;

    people lost money and other things;

    organizations lost money and other things;

  16. 58 Ladyhawke
    October 6, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Benjy Sarlin ‏@BenjySarlin 7h

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    If Boehner’s ABC interview doesn’t get Wall Street off the sidelines on debt ceiling fight, not sure what it will take short of default

    Retweeted by Matt Murphy

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  17. 59 Bill R.
    October 6, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    • 60 Ladyhawke
      October 6, 2013 at 8:32 pm

      THE ABC INTERVIEW WAS A TRAIN WRECK

      George S. should have asked SINO Boehner if he had seen the SNL Skit about him. He could have said Mr. Speaker is it safe to say that

      “IT’S OUR HOUSE AND WE WILL DO (&SAY) WHAT WE WANT TO.

      is your new theme song??

  18. 61 africa
    October 6, 2013 at 8:06 pm

  19. 62 Ladyhawke
    October 6, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    John Boehner Loses It When He’s Caught In Several Shutdown and Debt Ceiling Lies

    By: Jason Easley

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    John Boehner is a total mess right now. He is defending a position that he doesn’t really hold, with lies that are impossible for anyone to believe. This interview was a train wreck. The only thing that the American people got to see was that Boehner is desperate to hold on to his speakership. The Speaker will do, say, and threaten anything to stay in power.

    Boehner has thrown the bogus Republican position of compromise out the window, and shifted to straight threat mode. The stress is getting to Boehner. Here is a man that is cracking up right before our eyes. Rep. Boehner’s angry outbursts can’t hide the fact that he refuses to sacrifice himself in order to save his own party. With each day that this crisis drags on, the odds that Republicans will lose the House next year increase.

    John Boehner is a man on the edge, and the looming debt ceiling deadline may push him over.

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    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/06/john-boehner-loses-melts-caught-debt-ceiling-lies.html

  20. 65 africa
    October 6, 2013 at 8:12 pm

  21. 66 amk for obama
    October 6, 2013 at 8:15 pm

  22. October 6, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    I do no like all of his comments re: the ACA…. but what he says about the shutdown echo’s the sentiment of folks here

  23. 68 Ladyhawke
    October 6, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    CBS Host Grills Cornyn: It’s Like Shutting Down Government and Demanding a ‘Cure for Cancer’

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/cbs-host-grills-cornyn-its-shutting-down-gov

  24. 69 globalcitizenlinda
    October 6, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    something that stood out to me in Ron Fournier’s is his desperate effort to sound hip in his tweet – a total failure

  25. 70 amk for obama
    October 6, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    • October 6, 2013 at 9:07 pm

      AMK, Wall Street should be rushing to the president’s side right now and doing everything they can to fund a Democratic House in 2014. Their alliance with the GOP has been based on their aversion to taxes and their desire to get a free ride on regulation. But that’s small potatoes compared to the total destruction of their portfolios, not to mention the international market if the GOP keeps on this road. They investment/business community has to get off the Republican horse fast, or it will ride them over a cliff.

  26. 72 globalcitizenlinda
    October 6, 2013 at 8:19 pm

  27. 74 amk for obama
    October 6, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    • October 6, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      Amk, they’ve gone so far beyond foolish that they’ve entered levels of insanity not seen before in politics. I don’t think they care about immigration reform and have no concern whatsoever about alienating the minority populations in this country. They are beyond reason or even self preservation at this point.

    • 79 globalcitizenlinda
      October 6, 2013 at 9:19 pm

      unfortunately, the same group of tea partiers who caused this GOPshutdown are almost the same ones opposed to immigration reform

    • 80 pkayden
      October 6, 2013 at 9:41 pm

      Too late! They’re already foolish. There’s nothing more they can do to be more foolish.

  28. 81 Ladyhawke
    October 6, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Foreign Press Baffled As ‘Messed-Up’ U.S. Government Shuts Down

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/foreign-press-baffled-as-messed-up-u-s-government-shuts-down

    • 82 99ts
      October 6, 2013 at 8:41 pm

      That’s from a few days ago – and I sent emails protesting the lies of the Australian journalist – “both sides do it”. The one thing that was true in what she said “When the U.S. sneezes, Australia catches cold.”

  29. October 6, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    I’ve seen some praise here at TOD for some MSM interviews of Boehner on some Sunday shows.

    I’ve only seen a few minutes here and there, but Boehner is perpetuating the notion that there have been 17 government shutdowns since 1976.

    I really don’t think that’s true. I think that this is the first govt shutdown in 17 years. Some other R congressman (don’t remember who now, just that it was a white male) made the same claim a few days ago.

    The MSM don’t bat an eyelash and don’t question the claim.

    Does anyone here know whether there have been 17 govt shutdowns in the past 40 years?

    • October 6, 2013 at 8:37 pm

      Just more Boehner LIES, Arapaho.

      “The Ghost of Shutdowns Past

      Since 1981, there have been five government shutdowns. Four of the last five government shutdowns went largely unnoticed by anybody but the federal employees affected. In the last one, however, the American people shared the pain.

      1981: President Reagan vetoed a continuing resolution and 400,000 Federal employees were sent home at lunch and told not to come back. A few hours later, President Reagan signed a new version of the continuing resolution and the workers were back at work the next morning.

      1984: With no approved budget, 500,000 federal workers were sent home. An emergency spending bill has them all back at work the next day.

      1990: With no budget or continuing resolution, the government shuts down during the entire three-day Columbus Day weekend. Most workers were off anyway and an emergency spending bill signed by President Bush over the weekend has them back at work Tuesday morning.

      1995-1996: Two government shutdowns beginning on November 14, 1995, idled different functions of the federal government for various lengths of time until April of 1996. The most serious government shutdowns in the nation’s history resulted from a budget impasse between Democratic President Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress over funding for Medicare, education, the environment and public health.”

      http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federalbudgetprocess/a/Government-Shutdowns.htm

      • 85 99ts
        October 6, 2013 at 8:46 pm

        The most serious government shutdowns in the nation’s history resulted from a budget impasse between Democratic President Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress over funding for Medicare, education, the environment and public health.”

        So a few on the right have been seething about this for 17 years – they would fight the same war for centuries – defeat and destroy is the only way to resolve this issue. I cannot imagine living with this level of hate for yourself and your fellow citizens

      • October 6, 2013 at 8:52 pm

        Thank YOU, BobFR!

        I just couldn’t believe it was true, but NO PUSHBACK from the MSM.

        I knew it was coming because that other congresscritter made the same claim. For the life of me, cannot remember who it was. I think the GOP strategy is to be wrong very *forcefully* because they *know* the MSM will accept whatever they say as fact.

        But of course, the MSM doesn’t believe a word our President says, and yet he’s the ONLY politician in DC who has proven again and again that he says what he means and means what he says.

        Gah.

    • October 6, 2013 at 8:51 pm

      Arapaho415, it appears that the 17 shutdowns include some partial shutdowns due to funding gaps that may have only affected some departments, as well as technical shutdowns that lasted 48 hours or over weekends while spending measures were negotiated. As far as full government shut downs, there have only been two prior to this one (if I am interpreting the information I’m reading correctly); both during the Clinton administration.

      =====

      This article details the various shut downs:

      “Here is every previous government shutdown, why they happened and how they ended”

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/

      I’m not sure if this table will line up but it shows the dates of each shutdown and the length:

      PAST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS

      Year Beginning date Length in Days Ending date
      (at midnight)

      1976 Thursday, Sept 30 10 Monday, Oct 11
      1977 Friday, Sept 30 12 Thursday, Oct 13
      Monday, Oct 31 8 Wednesday, Nov 9
      Wednesday, Nov 30 8 Friday, Dec 9
      1978 Saturday, Sept 30 17 Wednesday, Oct 18
      1979 Sunday, Sept 30 11 Friday, Oct 12
      1981 Friday, Nov 20 2 Monday, Nov 23
      1982 Thursday, Sept 30 1 Saturday, Oct 2
      Friday, Dec 17 3 Tuesday, Dec 21
      1983 Thursday, Nov 10 3 Monday, Nov 14
      1984 Sunday, Sept 30 2 Wednesday, Oct 3
      Wednesday, Oct 3 1 Friday, Oct 5
      1986 Thursday, Oct 16 1 Saturday, Oct 18
      1987 Friday, Dec 18 1 Sunday, Dec 20
      1990 Friday, Oct 5 3 Tuesday, Oct 9
      1995 Monday, Nov 13 5 Sunday, Nov 19
      Friday, Dec 15 21 Saturday, Jan 6, 1996

      Source: http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/04/08/6432513-this-would-be-18th-government-shutdown-in-us-history

      • October 6, 2013 at 8:58 pm

        Ohhhhh.

        I guess I now have to take back my rant at the MSM for not pushing back.

        But not gonna do it. They could have *clarified* that overnight or over weekend shutdowns are not the same thing.

        BTW, I got a response from the author of the “Boehner and Obama both lead from behind” article yesterday, which was published in July, and which MHP apparently recycled for her show yesterday.

        • 89 99ts
          October 6, 2013 at 9:18 pm

          This is the rant for the GOP and the media Arapoha – they refuse to call out the lies – they probably did the research at the request of Boehner – the are the tool of the GOP

        • October 6, 2013 at 9:19 pm

          I saw that when I was catching up on yesterday’s evening and overnight posts…

          When I referenced the article, it was really as a source about my comment about Boehner’s “consensus” style of leadership, and that I did not think he was powerless in this shutdown.

          I hope referencing the article did not imply that I thought PBO and Boehner both had lead from behind leadership styles. [I did not even know about MHP’s comment, nor realized she had used this article as her basis for the comment.] From the article, I inferred that it was the Republicans who labeled President Obama’s leadership style as a lead from behind based on his approach for intervening in Libya. I took that as one of the many times the Republicans try to give a broad application to a specific item in their attempt to discredit PBO. Therefore, I gave very little weight to that bit.

  30. October 6, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    I’m sure the authors of the Constitution never imagined the dereliction of duty being displayed by the GOP members of Congress. Otherwise, there would probably have been sanctions put in place to deter such behavior or some provisions that would kick in when Congress is “unable” to perform their duty.

    It’s really scary to see how easy it is for a few people to prevent legislation from happening that should be an automatic, common sense occurrence.

  31. October 6, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Reminder from the last thread.

    If you’re on twitter,yYou can follow the link in this tweet to subscribe to a list of the Federal Shutdown congresscritter leaders.

  32. 95 hopefruit2
    October 6, 2013 at 8:35 pm

  33. 96 globalcitizenlinda
    October 6, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    past time to admit that Boehner believes in the stand he is taking – think he deceived most people all along and he is NOT a victim

    • October 6, 2013 at 8:38 pm

      Agree Linda. He is leading the Coup d’Etat on behalf of the Kochs and their fellow plutocrats. Period.

      • October 6, 2013 at 9:35 pm

        Playing the victim has garnered some sympathy for him in the past. But abusing the good will of the President and the Democrats has cost him that sympathy. And his constant lying (that the President and the Democrats won’t negotiate) and his denial of and reneging on agreements (that the President and Democrats made in good faith) have highlighted his role in this Coup d’Etat.

  34. October 6, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    See the full list of districts polled at a glance here and individual districts here: CA-10, CA-21, CA-31, CO-06, FL-02, FL-10, FL-13, IA-03, IA-04, KY-06, IL-13, MI-01, MI-07, MI-11, NV-03, NY-11, NY-19, NY-23, OH-06, OH-14 PA-07, PA-08, VA-02, and WI-07.

    I think this is the same poll that Jovie posted this morning:

    Encouraging news, nonetheless.

  35. 101 Jessica
    October 6, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Just like the GOP’s secret meeting on making PBO a 1-term President they will fail at holding the American economy hostage over their insane demands. They are self-destructing and Boehner is looking for a way out.

  36. October 6, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    These are the questions our MSM, who are supposedly “horserace” and “domestic policy” experts should be asking GOP, instead of blaming everything on Obama and being WRONG 99.9% of the time:

  37. 109 amk for obama
    October 6, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    • October 6, 2013 at 9:14 pm

      Front page of today’s LA TImes (Sunday is the largest circulation for print edition):

      “Other bills signed Saturday will allow people in the country illegally to be licensed as lawyers, impose restrictions on those who charge a fee to help immigrants gain legal status, and make it a crime for employers to “induce fear” by threatening to report someone’s immigration status….”

      ‘”Advocates of more immigration laws are going to be watching California very closely, and if these laws work out well they will be able to use the state as Exhibit A in their case for national legislation,’ Pitney [professor at Claremont McKenna College] said…”

  38. 112 amk for obama
    October 6, 2013 at 9:12 pm

  39. October 6, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    I know this is very California-centric, but October is the height of our fire season.

  40. 114 jacquelineoboomer
    October 6, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    • 115 desertflower
      October 6, 2013 at 9:46 pm

      Thank you, thank you, thank you, JOB! You must have seen my “their” “there” post earlier??

      • 116 jacquelineoboomer
        October 6, 2013 at 9:59 pm

        I saw his tweet and then posted mine, before scrolling up to see yours, which made me smile! We’re takin’ him down, and it feels good! (I know I shouldn’t enjoy that as much as I do, but Chuckie deserves all the blowback we can collectively give him.) (Ha.)

    • 117 nathkatun7
      October 7, 2013 at 12:32 am

      JOB, have I told you lately how much I love your fearlessness in exposing unethical media people, like Chuckie Todd? Absolutely a great tweet!

  41. 119 amk for obama
    October 6, 2013 at 9:28 pm

  42. 120 99ts
    October 6, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    So this is why McConnell is happy to let Cruz loose to be the senate spokesperson on shutting down the government

    http://blogs.rollcall.com/hawkings/mcconnells-real-legacy-now-hangs-in-supreme-courts-balance/

    McConnell has been garnering headlines all fall as the leader who isn’t there, on issues starting with Syria and now most prominently on the government shutdown impasse, the future of Obamacare and next week’s prospective debt ceiling collision. ..

    Since his third year as a senator, McConnell has become known above all else as the mastermind of a forceful and ceaseless effort to prevent an overhaul of campaign finance law. He cemented his reputation for resilience and hard-knuckled strategizing by sustaining a filibuster of the 1987 bill through eight cloture votes.


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