Night owl chat – Fazil Say, “Symphony no. 2: Mesopotamia”

I just discovered Mr. Say this week, and I am captivated by his music, which mixes Western tonality with Turkish melody.

And then there’s this, from Wikipedia:

According to the NY Times, on Monday, April 15, 2013 a court in Istanbul handed down a suspended 10-month jail term for Fazıl Say, convicted of insulting Islam and offending Muslims in postings on Twitter. Mr. Say, 42, who has performed with major orchestras around the world in places including New York, Berlin and Tokyo, said during earlier hearings that the accusations against him went “against universal human rights and laws.” The sentence was suspended for five years, meaning that the pianist will not be sent to prison unless he is convicted of re-offending within that period. In recent years, many intellectuals, writers and artists have been prosecuted for statements about Islam and Turkish identity, both of which the pro-Islamic government seeks to shield from criticism. Social media outlets like Facebook and Twitter, however, have rarely figured in previous trials, although Turks are active users of the sites.

The messages cited in the indictment were Mr. Say’s personal remarks referring to a poem by a famous 11th-century Persian poet, Omar Khayyam, which poked fun at an Islamic vision of the afterlife. The poem was sent to Mr. Say from another user before he forwarded it. In another personal Twitter post, he joked about the rapid call to prayer at a nearby mosque, questioning whether the muezzin who makes the call was running late for a drink.

Let Greenwald dwell on that next time he says free expression is stymied in the US.



Chat on,  night owls, and dream of ancient civilizations.

78 Responses to “Night owl chat – Fazil Say, “Symphony no. 2: Mesopotamia””

  1. 1 MightyPamela
    May 15, 2014 at 10:23 pm


  2. May 15, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Looking forward to a great listen.

  3. 15 hopefruit2
    May 15, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    I think in my next life I might be music director in a symphony or huge internationally renowned orchestra – who knows….anything is possible


  4. 17 MightyPamela
    May 15, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    Sometimes it pays to be cleaning up your inbox… But I was really just popping by to catch up, check in and say GoodNight. The dedication by President Obama was perfect in every way. He seems to be the only one who really gets things right. On that note, we have some wonderful cloud formations building up, the light up on the roof earlier was just amazing, like God shining through, breathtaking. We are looking forward to some cooling. And some rain. Rain. Nite, y’all, sweet dreams!

  5. 19 amk for obama
    May 15, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    Vote counting has just started. Should know the results in a few hours.

    • May 15, 2014 at 11:28 pm

      If you guys were impressed with India’s elections……. don’t worry we are not far behind…….the media is already there!

      “Modi has gone Tupac at Coachella” ……….best line ever

      Another English link…….

    • 27 Bill R.
      May 15, 2014 at 11:32 pm

      Should the world be bracing for a RW religious extremist in Modi??

      • 28 amk for obama
        May 15, 2014 at 11:34 pm

        Only if his party gets the majority. It’s too early to say now. But he will be the pm.

  6. May 15, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Just a quick note to JO’B and 99ts.

    Idaho is a gorgeous state.

    The panhandle (which attracts loonies like Mark Furman from the OJ Simpson trial) is breathtakingly beautiful, much like the forested areas of Montana.

    Boise is the CUTEST state capitol I’ve been to (and I’ve been to Juneau AK, which has a great library right at the dock, mostly windows that look directly into cruise ship casinos if you’re on the 4th floor).

    Boise reminds me of the town in Back to the Future. The University is downtown, and is quite compact. Very lovely.

    Little known fact: There are some Japanese Americans in Idaho who remained after the relocation camp in Jerome County Idaho was closed.

    • 30 jacquelineoboomer
      May 15, 2014 at 11:27 pm

      Oh, thanks so much, Arapaho, for the details on Idaho. Really shouldn’t “mock” a state, just because some residents are not progressive.

      Boise sounds lovely!

    • 31 mtmarilyn
      May 15, 2014 at 11:35 pm

      Arapaho415, I so agree, I love Idaho. I spent last weekend with my friends in McCall, ID, a wonderful small mountain town. It is 5 hours from Missoula. It is 275 miles of the most beautiful wild country in the US, it is my second favorite road to take. I love it. There are many wonderful people in Idaho, just as there are many wonderful people in MT. The problem is there are so many crazies in Idaho. They hate the government that they live on. There is no reasoning with them. I have given up arguing with them, they do not listen to reason or the truth. They are so sure of their beliefs I believe the only way to win it bthere being more of us than them and there are. We must GOTV this fall.

  7. May 15, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    Could not agree more ….

    … though what must happen is that absolute parity is the ONLY lawful metric regarding compensation.

  8. 37 amk for obama
    May 15, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    • May 15, 2014 at 11:32 pm

      This is not directly in response to you, but it in some ways we seem to be putting all our 2014 hopes on the Clintons, who may or may not show up, depending on whether it serves their own short and long-term needs. I’m not particularly interested in them appearing now or later, so I don’t place any worth on their game plan, whatever that happens to be.

      What I DO find more disturbing is that PBO seems to be the only one out there campaigning so far and I do not understand that at all.

      • 39 Vicki
        May 16, 2014 at 12:08 am

        I thought it was just me. In the last few days it seems PBO is standing pretty much alone. POTUS has made a strong stand on raising the minimum wage but today the fast food strikers and the press they attracted didn’t seem to make the connection.
        Same with the infra-structure, bridgebuilding and job efforts.
        The President makes a speech at an event and there is little to no resonance.

        Where is the support? We need to hear from Democrats throughout the country in support of The Presidents initiatives.
        Why is there so little help percievable?

        Meta, the Democratic Alliance came and went. Silence as far as I can see.
        If we have a cheering section anyplace except here I don’t see it.

        • May 16, 2014 at 9:22 am

          Unfortunately, I agree. There’s a real lack of coherence and momentum to what’s going on in lots of places. It’s as it everything is happening in isolation. It’s very weird. I wish we had better leadership throughout the Democratic Party. They don’t seem to be taking advantage of all of our achievements in any effective way. To think that the GOP could have any advantage whatsoever in the next election given their terrifying and extremist record of the past 13 years is astounding. I don’t and I can’t understand any of that.

      • 41 theo67
        May 16, 2014 at 1:56 am

        I totally agree with you, Meta. And Nancy Pelosi, of course.

  9. May 15, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    This is how the RW reports on the RW:


  10. 43 jacquelineoboomer
    May 15, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    LL: I so enjoyed this from you: “Chat on, night owls, and dream of ancient civilizations.”

  11. May 15, 2014 at 11:31 pm

  12. May 15, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    BBL…..Clippers vs. Thunder game 6

    • 46 COS
      May 15, 2014 at 11:49 pm

      Even if this aide is n to telling the truth, I choose to believe the aide over lying bully Christie. He has lost all credibility with a lot of folks; he is an arrogant bully.

  13. 47 vcprezofan2
    May 15, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    It’s bedtime; tomorrow will be a spectacularly long day for me. The good thing is that I know if I cannot make it online at all, the *news* will be here when I return the day after. Take care of each other as you always do ….

  14. 49 jacquelineoboomer
    May 16, 2014 at 12:27 am

    Off to “dream of ancient civilizations.” Goodnight, all.

  15. May 16, 2014 at 12:28 am

    Hi Everyone!

    LL, thank you for introducing us to Mr. Say and his wonderful music to us tonight. .

  16. 53 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 12:32 am

  17. 54 amk for obama
    May 16, 2014 at 1:39 am

    Well, the results are almost out and the verdict is in. The religious right wing has won resoundingly. Modi’s party, bjp, would get a majority of its own thus negating the check and balance of coalition politics (which in any case was not great in the last congress coalition). It’ll be up to him whether he can withstand the pressures from the religious nutsos which had already started drawing redlines yesterday even before the counting. Exactly after 30 years, India has given a single party the ruling majority.

    The ruling congress party was handed a humiliating defeat, the worst in its history. It just half of previous worst result. People voted with their feet in record numbers given the unprecedented corruption levels of congress and its coalition allies.

    Our state, which is always a quirky one, voted resoundingly for the present chief minister’s party. The bjp wave did jacksquat for it in our state despite its last minute hotchpotch coalition with umpteen small-fry parties. It will be interesting to see our temperamental chief minister will deal with her iconic power now as the second largest opposition party.

    In the two most educated states, ours and our neighbor, Kerela, bjp could just get only around 1-2% of vote share and may be 2-3 seats. So we haven’t gone religious nutsos is a consolation.

    And oh yeah, the guy I voted for got thrashed and would lose his deposit.

    • May 16, 2014 at 2:26 am

      Will be very interested in your thoughts, amk. Obviously, a majority voted. But, it appears that the majority of those who voted may have not had the best interest of all Indians in focus. This is a realm in which I have less than minimal knowledge so will be very grateful for your perspectives. Given that 15 May for me has already been at 19 hour day, will check in tomorrow for your comments 🙂

    • 56 Bill R.
      May 16, 2014 at 2:56 am

      Too bad, the world does not need any more religious extremists, especially at the head of government.

  18. May 16, 2014 at 2:14 am

    Well my dad & uncles from both sides of the family are elated……N. Modi, was governed from the state of Gujarat, where all my family is from……. They are all big time D’s in the states, but are completely whitewashing Modi’s history, and taking pride he is one of their own

    Image and video hosting by TinyPic</a

    BJP only needed 272 seats to have a majority……..they just destroyed that number and will end up w/ about 335/574 seats.

    This s**t could get ugly in due time……..the markets are loving the pro-business BJP ~ +4% already. I have a bad feeling b/c there is not going to be any external check on them……here is hoping for the best.

    • May 16, 2014 at 2:18 am

    • May 16, 2014 at 2:27 am

      In case you thought CNN’s election night coverage was over the top…..

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      • 60 Dudette
        May 16, 2014 at 2:39 am

        Amk and LP, the sheer size of the election is just mind-boggling. I hope the newly elected in India work to serve the people honorably and fairly.

  19. May 16, 2014 at 2:19 am

    Please be sure to read this to the very last sentence, you will be glad you did …

    Moreover, please understand that the intent of this tweet is both urgent and humanitarian to its core ….

    Ukraine, irrespective of the cost must not commit a humanitarian and colossal strategic error by restricting the flow of water to Crimea, Ukraine.

  20. 62 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 2:20 am

    Belated Happy Birthday to Dakota!

    Hope it was fun and you’re still celebrating for days/weeks to come! 😀

  21. 63 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 2:24 am

  22. 64 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 2:30 am

  23. 65 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 2:34 am

    Thinking of you Kasai. Hoping you, your family, friends and neighbors stay safe and the danger from the fires end soon.

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  25. 67 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 2:57 am

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    May 16, 2014 at 3:01 am

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    May 16, 2014 at 3:02 am

  28. 70 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 3:03 am

  29. 71 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 3:05 am

  30. 72 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 3:06 am

  31. 73 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 3:15 am

    Pretty heinous thing some fool did. I wish that despicable being a long, hard stay in jail.

  32. 74 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 3:19 am

    I’m absolutely giddy with excitement about this upcoming film! CAN.NOT.WAIT!!!! 😀

  33. 75 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 3:25 am

    Speaking of Food Porn… Oh.My.Goodness!!!

  34. 76 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 3:26 am

  35. 77 Dudette
    May 16, 2014 at 3:29 am

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