Yeah, always a little wary of their motives and agenda. But they do totally scare the shit out of police and they did a good job of not allowing the Steubenville rape to disappear from the headlines and exposed all the school officials trying to hide it.
Yes, I was going to post the last thread that I hope they don’t distract and make this about PBO…try to turn the Black community against him in some underhanded way. I know in the past they were quite supportive of Wikileaks, OWS, and such..so we need to be vigilant and watch them closely.
Well, I tend to trust Feminsta Jones more than anonymous. I’m sorry Jeff, but Anonymous is about Anonymous. They glom onto any cause of the moment to keep their name in the spotlight. And, of course, they’re anti-Obama. I don’t think this is a productive avenue of discussion.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki threw the country’s political system into crisis on Sunday, when he announced that he would be staying on as Prime Minister after a deadline to form a new government expired without an agreement at 12 am Baghdad time. Maliki announced a plan to sue Iraq’s President, Fuad Masum, for violating the country’s constitution, and it’s now totally unclear when, if ever, Iraq will return to normal democratic procedures. All of this underscores why, on his Saturday press conference about the US intervention on Iraq, President Obama emphasized the need for Iraqi political reform to solve the ISIS crisis. “Ultimately, there’s not going to be an American military solution to this problem,” President Obama told reporters. “There’s going to have to be an Iraqi solution.” This is the key line to understand if you want to grasp the administration’s approach to Iraq — and why the goals of the US military campaign are more narrow than you might think.
The American objectives for Obama’s airstrikes in Iraq are very clear, and very limited. American airpower will protect Iraqi Kurdistan from the advance of militants from Islamic State (ISIS), and will attempt to break the ISIS siege that’s starving up to 40,000 members of the Yazidi minority on an isolated mountain.
The chaos in Baghdad explains why @BarackObama isn't trying to destroy ISIS http://t.co/RgGJ2xGQLX via @zackbeauchamp
So why is the US stopping there? ISIS controls a huge swath of land about the size of Belgium in Iraq and Syria. The group poses a serious threat to the Iraqi government and possibly even the stability of the entire region. If the United States can beat ISIS back in Kurdistan, why not elsewhere? That line about an Iraqi solution is the administration’s answer. In fact, the Obama administration has been consistent on this question since June, when ISIS first took control of big chunks of Iraq. They see ISIS as, at its heart, a political problem — one that can’t be solved solely with force. But the march on Kurdistan and the siege on Sinjar are narrow military problems, and thus merit military solutions. This distinction between military and political problems is at the heart of the Obama administration’s thinking on Iraq….continued
“They see ISIS as, at its heart, a political problem — one that can’t be solved solely with force. But the march on Kurdistan and the siege on Sinjar are narrow military problems, and thus merit military solutions. This distinction between military and political problems is at the heart of the Obama administration’s thinking on Iraq ….”
Rather surprised to see such clear, accurate analysis from Vox. Thanks for posting it, LP.
As to Maliki’s stunt - let’s see what happens in a few hours. It’s ~ 433a in Baghdad at the time of this comment. The US message is blunt; we support President Masum.
As long as they confine themselves to a ‘social media insurgency’ that’s fine with me, LP ;)
It has been interesting to observe the back and forth during the past several hours. Demonstrates how aware folk are becoming of the importance of Twitter, FB, etc.
At this point, all reports from folk on the ground in Baghdad is that it’s calm, no confrontations and the President is safe. Let’s hope it stays that way during the next several hours. If we begin getting reports of suicide bombings in Baghdad, or other violence, then it’s likely to get much worse, rapidly.
BAGHDAD—Kurdish forces said they retook two important parts of northern Iraq on Sunday, reversing gains by Islamist militants while U.S. warplanes conducted a third day of airstrikes on the insurgents. The advance of the radical Sunni group Islamic State into the semiautonomous region last week sparked a humanitarian disaster and prompted the first U.S. military intervention in Iraq in three years. Kurdish fighters overtook Islamic State positions in Makhmur District, a region north of the city of Kirkuk, and the nearby town of Gwair. The fighters, who until recently had called themselves the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, also known as ISIS or ISIL, had taken over the two towns last week as part of a broader push toward Erbil, the capital of the Kurdish region……”We cleared up Makhmour and Gwair of Islamic State militants and 25 villages around it,” said a security official for the Peshmerga, the Kurdish soldiers who make up a somewhat independent contingent within Iraq’s army. “We have flown the Kurdistan flag again in the center of Makhmour.”….
Kurdish forces reverse Islamist militant gains in northern Iraq, aided by U.S. airstrikes http://t.co/Lom1puswnU pic.twitter.com/BgtcYT2ACw
— The Lovely Plains (@DaRiverZkind) August 11, 2025
…The strikes appear to have helped loosen the Islamic State grip around Mount Sinjar, where the Yazidi religious minority has been trapped for days, and blunted the Sunni militant offensive in and around Erbil, U.S. officials said Sunday. So far, the primary focus of the strikes has been on Islamic State forces closing in on the Kurdish capital, where the region’s Peshmerga fighters have been struggling to turn back the Sunni militant offensive.U.S. planes struck and destroyed four more ISIS armed vehicles in the next few hours, with the last strike of the set coming at 7:25 a.m. EDT, said officials with the U.S. military’s Central Command, which oversees American forces in the Middle East…
…”ISIS is starting to realize there are consequences to using heavy artillery and equipment near Erbil,” said one senior U.S. defense official. “It’s going to slow them down and give the Pesh time to fortify lines with supplies they’re getting from [the Iraqi military] and from the U.S.”…The Kurdish government has made repeated appeals for more military firepower to repel the Islamic State advances. American officials are working closely with the Iraqi government to get more ammunition and weapons to Kurdistan. With approval from Baghdad, American defense officials said Sunday, the U.S. military will directly supply Kurdish forces with ammunition and small arms. Taken together, U.S. officials said, the American effort should deter Islamic State advances on Erbil. “I cannot imagine that we are not having a tactical effect right now,” said one senior U.S. military official. “When they see that any of their advances on Erbil are going to be met with rapid and swift airstrikes, they are probably going to move elsewhere.”
forget that “anonymous” mess! despite all the different issues they supposedly take up, they magically always seem to end up exactly where ron paul is on any given issue. i’ve begun wondering if they’re just a libertarian trojan horse operation, and they jump on issues such as this ferguson tragedy to try and win over some people who don’t usually side with libertarians. i don’t trust them at all.
and what’s with the “two wrongs make a right” aggressive approach anyway? i prefer the ways to make change that MLK, rosa parks, and president obama preach, over what anonymous does.
Exactly, 99ts! Compare this to Bundy Ranch and a bunch of actual thugs pointing guns at federal agents. The feds pulled back to avoid another Waco. I think what the police here want is to create an incident in order to justify what happened and deflect from the cover-up.
I love Reign of April. She’s one of my favorite Tweeters. And last night she was talking about the need for a rational response to Ferguson. But everyone has their breaking point. Accepting help from Anonymous isn’t going to solve anything. They always end up on Ron Paul’s position on anything. They don’t actually care about Mr. Brown or communities of color; they’re just trying to stay in the media spotlight. Tragedies like these always attract the grifters.
I agree LL. We need to be VERY careful about that “Anonymous” operation. That is a Koch-funded Libertarian organization. Oh…and they are ANTI-Obama too. That should give anyone major pause. I am not comfortable with their trying to hijack this thing.
Pretty Foot, when I saw that the Justice Dept was on this I felt hopeful too. Eric Holder doesn’t mess around. I admire him. (And, as a side note, his wife is a gorgeous, elegant woman with amazing style! I love seeing them together at events.)
Like I said before, the police action in Ferguson is incomprehensible.
The looting reminds me of how, after the Rodney King verdict, there were “yard sales” in the Valley every weekend for awhile with the kind of things you don’t normally see at yard sales (i.e., consumer electronics, not clothes, household stuff and knickknacks).
Gonna keep my eyes on the prize…no amount of looting can detract from the fact that an unarmed teen was shot 10 times in the street and that his body was left there lying in the street as his life blood was drained from his body…..
and besides in these cases…one never knows if provocateurs are enlisted to get the media’s attention off of the killing of Michael Brown…and onto this juicy tidbit…
“and besides in these cases…one never knows if provocateurs are enlisted to get the media’s attention off of the killing of Michael Brown…and onto this juicy tidbit…”
I, like you pf58, am not into conspiracy theories, but these Ferguson Police and their NRA, Koch, and other allies need to do everything they possibly can to deflect from the fact that a fine, innocent BLACK young man was executed and left in the street. ISIS, Hamas, Al Qaeda, etc., would be proud of those Ferguson Police dudes.
Thank you LP and Bobfr for bringing info on Iraq/ISS/Maliki/Masum here.
When it comes to PBO action, it’s very important to know the backstory, because his actions are strategic in nature, multi-national in execution.
The MSM/Koch report as if the timing of the crises in the Middle East is not important. But of course everything there is intertwined — someone at TOD mentioned awhile ago that Netanyahu’s attacks on Gaza were timed for the Iran/US nuclear deal deadline (July 20) and no doubt the ISIS advance is related to the Iraqi deadlines for Administration change.
PBO doesn’t provide this background, he expects the MSM to dig a little deeper to report their stories but few outlets do. Those that do tend to be behind a paywall, so gaining access to such analysis is harder for consumers to come by.
re: Anonymous — they seem to be comprised mostly of white dudebros/emoputins who are against everything, and not for anything.
The actions of the Ferguson PD is beyond comprehension — does that town have a mayor, or is it under county jurisdiction? If it’s under county supervision, that no doubt means that its under no supervision at all.
I want to thank everyone here at TOD…for the spiritual comfort,. For being foot soldiers in the struggle for Peace and Justice….it renews my soul and calms my spirit…
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Congrats on 1st Forus50!
Wow, I haven’t been first since for years. Please watch the video.
Way to go forus :)
You hit the spot, LL!! Thank you!!!
Don’t want anyone to miss Nancy’s schooling of Ms Clinton ….
Congrats forus!
Hey, LL, thanks for sharing some of the best music on Earth.
Changed out the video for “Inner City Blues”. It was Occupy Wall St. bullshit.
Before we get too sanguine about Anonymous:
Yeah, always a little wary of their motives and agenda. But they do totally scare the shit out of police and they did a good job of not allowing the Steubenville rape to disappear from the headlines and exposed all the school officials trying to hide it.
Agree with you and LL.
I agree with you. What they hate is anything to do with “The State”.
Yes, I was going to post the last thread that I hope they don’t distract and make this about PBO…try to turn the Black community against him in some underhanded way. I know in the past they were quite supportive of Wikileaks, OWS, and such..so we need to be vigilant and watch them closely.
“I hope they don’t distract and make this about PBO…try to turn the Black community against him”
That will NEVER happen because we see what is being done to POTUS everyday. We get it.
Anonymous is comprised of people with different agendas. So be mindful not to stereotype.
Just take Anonymous’ “help” with a pound of salt.
how do you know they were actually anonymous?
Well, I tend to trust Feminsta Jones more than anonymous. I’m sorry Jeff, but Anonymous is about Anonymous. They glom onto any cause of the moment to keep their name in the spotlight. And, of course, they’re anti-Obama. I don’t think this is a productive avenue of discussion.
well they seem like anarchists really. I gotcha though.
LL, thanks for the Marvin Gaye music to soothe troubled hearts.
Says it quite clearly.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki threw the country’s political system into crisis on Sunday, when he announced that he would be staying on as Prime Minister after a deadline to form a new government expired without an agreement at 12 am Baghdad time. Maliki announced a plan to sue Iraq’s President, Fuad Masum, for violating the country’s constitution, and it’s now totally unclear when, if ever, Iraq will return to normal democratic procedures. All of this underscores why, on his Saturday press conference about the US intervention on Iraq, President Obama emphasized the need for Iraqi political reform to solve the ISIS crisis. “Ultimately, there’s not going to be an American military solution to this problem,” President Obama told reporters. “There’s going to have to be an Iraqi solution.” This is the key line to understand if you want to grasp the administration’s approach to Iraq — and why the goals of the US military campaign are more narrow than you might think.
The American objectives for Obama’s airstrikes in Iraq are very clear, and very limited. American airpower will protect Iraqi Kurdistan from the advance of militants from Islamic State (ISIS), and will attempt to break the ISIS siege that’s starving up to 40,000 members of the Yazidi minority on an isolated mountain.
So why is the US stopping there? ISIS controls a huge swath of land about the size of Belgium in Iraq and Syria. The group poses a serious threat to the Iraqi government and possibly even the stability of the entire region. If the United States can beat ISIS back in Kurdistan, why not elsewhere? That line about an Iraqi solution is the administration’s answer. In fact, the Obama administration has been consistent on this question since June, when ISIS first took control of big chunks of Iraq. They see ISIS as, at its heart, a political problem — one that can’t be solved solely with force. But the march on Kurdistan and the siege on Sinjar are narrow military problems, and thus merit military solutions. This distinction between military and political problems is at the heart of the Obama administration’s thinking on Iraq….continued
“They see ISIS as, at its heart, a political problem — one that can’t be solved solely with force. But the march on Kurdistan and the siege on Sinjar are narrow military problems, and thus merit military solutions. This distinction between military and political problems is at the heart of the Obama administration’s thinking on Iraq ….”
Rather surprised to see such clear, accurate analysis from Vox. Thanks for posting it, LP.
As to Maliki’s stunt - let’s see what happens in a few hours. It’s ~ 433a in Baghdad at the time of this comment. The US message is blunt; we support President Masum.
#TrustBarack
Sure thing, Bob….I was surprised as well! There is some crazy stuff going on in Baghdad right now…prime example is the battle of communication shops:
As long as they confine themselves to a ‘social media insurgency’ that’s fine with me, LP ;)
It has been interesting to observe the back and forth during the past several hours. Demonstrates how aware folk are becoming of the importance of Twitter, FB, etc.
At this point, all reports from folk on the ground in Baghdad is that it’s calm, no confrontations and the President is safe. Let’s hope it stays that way during the next several hours. If we begin getting reports of suicide bombings in Baghdad, or other violence, then it’s likely to get much worse, rapidly.
BAGHDAD—Kurdish forces said they retook two important parts of northern Iraq on Sunday, reversing gains by Islamist militants while U.S. warplanes conducted a third day of airstrikes on the insurgents. The advance of the radical Sunni group Islamic State into the semiautonomous region last week sparked a humanitarian disaster and prompted the first U.S. military intervention in Iraq in three years. Kurdish fighters overtook Islamic State positions in Makhmur District, a region north of the city of Kirkuk, and the nearby town of Gwair. The fighters, who until recently had called themselves the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, also known as ISIS or ISIL, had taken over the two towns last week as part of a broader push toward Erbil, the capital of the Kurdish region……”We cleared up Makhmour and Gwair of Islamic State militants and 25 villages around it,” said a security official for the Peshmerga, the Kurdish soldiers who make up a somewhat independent contingent within Iraq’s army. “We have flown the Kurdistan flag again in the center of Makhmour.”….
…The strikes appear to have helped loosen the Islamic State grip around Mount Sinjar, where the Yazidi religious minority has been trapped for days, and blunted the Sunni militant offensive in and around Erbil, U.S. officials said Sunday. So far, the primary focus of the strikes has been on Islamic State forces closing in on the Kurdish capital, where the region’s Peshmerga fighters have been struggling to turn back the Sunni militant offensive.U.S. planes struck and destroyed four more ISIS armed vehicles in the next few hours, with the last strike of the set coming at 7:25 a.m. EDT, said officials with the U.S. military’s Central Command, which oversees American forces in the Middle East…
…”ISIS is starting to realize there are consequences to using heavy artillery and equipment near Erbil,” said one senior U.S. defense official. “It’s going to slow them down and give the Pesh time to fortify lines with supplies they’re getting from [the Iraqi military] and from the U.S.”…The Kurdish government has made repeated appeals for more military firepower to repel the Islamic State advances. American officials are working closely with the Iraqi government to get more ammunition and weapons to Kurdistan. With approval from Baghdad, American defense officials said Sunday, the U.S. military will directly supply Kurdish forces with ammunition and small arms. Taken together, U.S. officials said, the American effort should deter Islamic State advances on Erbil. “I cannot imagine that we are not having a tactical effect right now,” said one senior U.S. military official. “When they see that any of their advances on Erbil are going to be met with rapid and swift airstrikes, they are probably going to move elsewhere.”
forget that “anonymous” mess! despite all the different issues they supposedly take up, they magically always seem to end up exactly where ron paul is on any given issue. i’ve begun wondering if they’re just a libertarian trojan horse operation, and they jump on issues such as this ferguson tragedy to try and win over some people who don’t usually side with libertarians. i don’t trust them at all.
and what’s with the “two wrongs make a right” aggressive approach anyway? i prefer the ways to make change that MLK, rosa parks, and president obama preach, over what anonymous does.
“i prefer the ways to make change that MLK, rosa parks, and president obama preach, over what anonymous does.”
Always.
Totally agree 4morefor44!
Heart breaking, for sure …
Such different reactions - in Texas the police withdrew to avoid a riot - In this case the police use tear gas and dogs to incite a riot!
Indeed, 99.
Exactly, 99ts! Compare this to Bundy Ranch and a bunch of actual thugs pointing guns at federal agents. The feds pulled back to avoid another Waco. I think what the police here want is to create an incident in order to justify what happened and deflect from the cover-up.
It seems that way - I am so ready to believe that any “looting” is being instigated by the police and their supporters.
So many confusing, conflicting reports on this murder.
Now it turns out he was walking to his grandmother’s house when he was *assaulted* by the police?
The whole lot of them needs to go, be sent packing.
The Governor, Jay Nixon, a Dem, needs to step in and do something now (i.e., Monday, August 11).
Would we expect anything else from the right wing KKK blog.
I love Reign of April. She’s one of my favorite Tweeters. And last night she was talking about the need for a rational response to Ferguson. But everyone has their breaking point. Accepting help from Anonymous isn’t going to solve anything. They always end up on Ron Paul’s position on anything. They don’t actually care about Mr. Brown or communities of color; they’re just trying to stay in the media spotlight. Tragedies like these always attract the grifters.
Apparently Reign of April has had to revert to ‘Locked’ Twitter status … must have been receiving a deluge of threatening tweets …
I agree LL. We need to be VERY careful about that “Anonymous” operation. That is a Koch-funded Libertarian organization. Oh…and they are ANTI-Obama too. That should give anyone major pause. I am not comfortable with their trying to hijack this thing.
Not.Comfortable.At.All.
I agree with you 100%, LL. These are libertarians trying incite riots and divide the Black community.
This was our super moon yesterday (Sunday) evening - we chased it home - an absolute delight
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-10/your-photos-supermoon-lights-up-winter-sky/5660604
then again, this should be intersting:
Well LL, whatever ‘OpFerguson’ is it’s been suspended by Twitter. Did you get a screen capture?
Crap, no. Suspended by Twitter? But they’re hacktivists!!!
Perhaps they’ll re-emerge and last more than a nanosecond :)
They’re probably busy trying to hack Twitter … would be fun to at the Twitter NOC and be watching the flurry of attempts …
I clicked, page said: Account Suspended.
Welp, yes.
reading a few tweets online…this is NOT about ANON…what they can or cannot do….
there are civic leaders including the NAACP on the ground…The Justice Dept is watching….I am hopeful…that Justice will be served…
Pretty Foot, when I saw that the Justice Dept was on this I felt hopeful too. Eric Holder doesn’t mess around. I admire him. (And, as a side note, his wife is a gorgeous, elegant woman with amazing style! I love seeing them together at events.)
YES…I think of him as a Warrior for Justice!!
My last two comments are stuck in moderation because I spelled my own nickname wrong! I guess I should go eat some dinner :-)
Enjoy dinner and let’s hope Chips can free you from WP purgatory :)
(-:
Our brilliant UN Ambassador Power ….
https://twitter.com/Our4thEstate/status/498657761412911104
edited to add proper attribution ….
Well done tweet (sad to say we’re reliving everything some of us thought had begun to change in the ’60s).
A little laugh.
Where’s CEB?
I wonder if she’s active in the Crist campaign. Would love to hear how his chances look in “southern Georgia.”
Apparently there’s looting in Ferguson. For fuck’s sake.
Like I said before, the police action in Ferguson is incomprehensible.
The looting reminds me of how, after the Rodney King verdict, there were “yard sales” in the Valley every weekend for awhile with the kind of things you don’t normally see at yard sales (i.e., consumer electronics, not clothes, household stuff and knickknacks).
If true, shit.
Not surprising, given the actions of this police department.
Gobsmacking that nothing was done before Michael Brown’s murder.
Gonna keep my eyes on the prize…no amount of looting can detract from the fact that an unarmed teen was shot 10 times in the street and that his body was left there lying in the street as his life blood was drained from his body…..
and besides in these cases…one never knows if provocateurs are enlisted to get the media’s attention off of the killing of Michael Brown…and onto this juicy tidbit…
“and besides in these cases…one never knows if provocateurs are enlisted to get the media’s attention off of the killing of Michael Brown…and onto this juicy tidbit…”
I, like you pf58, am not into conspiracy theories, but these Ferguson Police and their NRA, Koch, and other allies need to do everything they possibly can to deflect from the fact that a fine, innocent BLACK young man was executed and left in the street. ISIS, Hamas, Al Qaeda, etc., would be proud of those Ferguson Police dudes.
key words….
safe tonight
I don’t trust the “looting” excuse, either. Too pat. If it’s happening, it’s not by chance.
Thank you LP and Bobfr for bringing info on Iraq/ISS/Maliki/Masum here.
When it comes to PBO action, it’s very important to know the backstory, because his actions are strategic in nature, multi-national in execution.
The MSM/Koch report as if the timing of the crises in the Middle East is not important. But of course everything there is intertwined — someone at TOD mentioned awhile ago that Netanyahu’s attacks on Gaza were timed for the Iran/US nuclear deal deadline (July 20) and no doubt the ISIS advance is related to the Iraqi deadlines for Administration change.
PBO doesn’t provide this background, he expects the MSM to dig a little deeper to report their stories but few outlets do. Those that do tend to be behind a paywall, so gaining access to such analysis is harder for consumers to come by.
re: Anonymous — they seem to be comprised mostly of white dudebros/emoputins who are against everything, and not for anything.
The actions of the Ferguson PD is beyond comprehension — does that town have a mayor, or is it under county jurisdiction? If it’s under county supervision, that no doubt means that its under no supervision at all.
Many people don’t trust Anonymous, and for the right reasons.
“When it comes to PBO action, it’s very important to know the backstory, because his actions are strategic in nature, multi-national in execution.”
So true, Arapaho. Same applies to your succinct analysis of “Anonymous”!
#TrustBarack
I want to thank everyone here at TOD…for the spiritual comfort,. For being foot soldiers in the struggle for Peace and Justice….it renews my soul and calms my spirit…
I need to rest my body now…
Right On to everyone!!!!!
as always…
#MovingForwardTogether
/waving/ Good Night, everybody.
Chat on, night owls: http://theobamadiary.com/2014/08/10/overnight-chat-songs-in-the-key-of-life/