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Duuuuuuuudette!!!! See ya all later!
Queen Chiiiiiiiiips! 😄😄😄
Way to go Dudette! By the way, thank you for your kind comments on a thread two days ago. I really miss sharing my two cents. But that’s about to change as my daughter is getting a new computer next month.
Hey Nath!
Hope you and your young’un are both doing well! I bet she’s excited about getting a new computer. You’re such a good poppa! Hugs to you both!
Congratulations, Dudette!!
Thanks Judith!
THIS MUST BE SHUT DOWN..IT IS AN ABOMINATION!……HAVE A BLESSED DAY EVERYONE…STILL NOT DOING WELL AFTER THE DENTAL SHUFFLE…LATER!
Sono qui!
Good afternoon/evening TOD!
I’m actually able to listen to the VP live. Thank you.
I AM GREATLY CONCERNED ABOUT PBO ON FRIDAY…THEY HAD BETTER QUADRUPLE SS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BECOME OUTRAGEOUS!
Good Evening TOD please add your name:
DONE………………………….
… and Done
Thanks for posting this, Donna!
Done!
NO WORDS
NO SURPRISE…THE HILL CAN BE BOUGHT AND SHE WILL GO WIITH THE FLOW……………………..
Oh, meta, you can be sure I have a ‘few words’ ;)
#LetsRollJoe …. Hill is paving the pathway for you … with herself as the asphalt …..
now …. back to work ……………….
Staggering degree of pandering we’re witnessing here.
Thanks, Bobfr.
This from the wife of the guy that gave us NAFTA….I’m humored.
“Hill is paving the pathway for you … with herself as the asphalt ”
Sad but true Bobfr. smdh!
Great response, Bob! Thanks for your warm welcome and your kind comments two days ago. My daughter is getting a new computer next month, which means that I get to interact with the good folks here on more regular basis.
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blechh. If it was polling well she’d claim it was her doing.
2008—“Sen. Obama is naive to think he can talk to Iran without pre-conditions.” 2015 Claiming credit for the Iran deal.
This flip-flopping is just about politics. She wants the endorsement of powerful unions ( who are short-sided in their opposition to TPP), and she’s afraid of losing too much supporters to Bernie Sanders.
She’ll contort herself into a pretzel to explain her flip-flopping. She’ll find a way to say that “from what she knows”, the deal is different from what she thought it would be, or something…
Note the “from what I know” language. Giving her room to flip-flop again when it will be necessary.
BINGO!!!
I spent the last 10 minutes trying to write something in response to the above but figured …. why even bother. The woman is married to the man who gave us NAFTA. With every other person stating THIS WEEK just how important TPP is to the USA and how it puts American workers first and is a benefit to so many different groups…for her to completely miss the boat and say she is against this trade deal confirms for me she is a lousy decision maker and will never be POTUS. She completely misjudged the direction of the wind and blew in the wrong direction….again.
#nomoreclintons #none.
Can she just go away now? #yawn #eversotiredofherself
HEY SWEET JOE…I KNOW THE AXE DOESN’T LIKE THE AD BUT I DO…IT’S HUMAN AND WE HAVE LOST OUR HUMANITY IN THIS COUNTRY. IT’S A WONDERFUL AD FOR ALL PARENTS TO SEE WHETHER THIS GREAT MAN RUNS OR NOT!
Good to see my senator franken at the labor summit today. MN is in process of raising Min wage here. Of course when it was debated we all heard the same strum and drang about how it would kill jobs, lower tax revenue, etc etc.
I really applaud our president and his ability to think outside the box on this issue (and many others).
Like the president told Putin and all those other dictators for life, if you need a lifetime term then you have failed your people as you have not built anything worth passing on. Our president will do more in his 8 years than any double handful of dictators for life could imagine.
Congrats Dudette on your gold :)
Just had to do it ….
#LetsRollJoe
Bob, I’m glad you couldn’t resist the impulse. It’s perfect!
Thanks Axe for giving me that extra push to make sure I watched the Run Joe ad a few times. Very good ad, emotional, hopeful. can see in the comments the feel the bern crowd worried about him jumping in.
They know, of course, what we know, that the day Joe Biden announces for president is the last day we have to hear anything about Bernie friggin sanders. He’s right there with Bern in most polls and he hasn’t even announced yet!
Go Bob! 😀
Love it!
LOL!!!
The real ugly BS of this is she’s giving cover to the emos in Congress to sink it and validating Bernie Freakin’ Sanders. Pathetic!
I tell you, PBO has his work cut out for him.
Flip and flop. Haven’t we seen this movie before?? McFlipFlopRmoney yadda yadda yadda. Is anyone listening?
Now, I’m wondering if Hillary was keeping up with the President’s goals as Secretary of State. Seems as though she’s trying now to be against some of ’em, so maybe she wasn’t in the know back then when she said she was for it. Why did she agree to work as SOS, if it was just to accumulate all those hours away from home, I ask ya!
it is pitiful to see just how scared HRC and Sanders are of VPOTUS.
I guess they have good reason, with POTUS, FLOTUS and VFLOTUS stumping for him they don’t stand a chance.
And US! The riders of the O-Train, are still on board!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I feel your outrage, Meta.
HRC’s dominant goal is to win the (D) nomination and thereby remove PBO bit by bit from history. She wins if she becomes POTUS and if the GOP gets the WH.
The GOP is only too willing to assist her in getting the nomination. Then they win the general with one of their guys who are even worse than George Bush.
Bernie was the first pinprick in her inevitable balloon.
Mayor de Blasio was the next one—although de Blasio is on my bad list for since he said there are enough Dems in the race.
Next was the pitiful turnout at her announcement months ago and the 1/2 empty rooms since then.
I have been espousing this view for all of 2015 and as loony as it sounded back in January I bet at least some at TOD can now see at least a bit of sense in it.
Thanks, meta, for these spot-on tweets. Now I understand why many people say that HRC can’t be trusted. Personally, I am angry that the Democrats running for president-well may be it’s a stretch to call Bernie Sanders a Democrat-are running against a sitting Democratic President instead of running against Republicans. For me, as a strong supporter of President Obama, I see no reason why I should support any Democratic presidential candidate who is running against a sitting Democratic president who has accomplished so much, despite the vicious and unrelenting opposition from Republicans.
I couldn’t agree with you more. It makes ZERO sense to me. Why go after PBO when he’s not running? Sanders may be partly responsible for that but I also think there’s a desire in HRC to always set herself apart, no matter how craven it looks. We’ve seen it before.
I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall but not within PBO’s reach cause he can swat a fly :)
Donna, I just can’t imagine what impelled her to do this. I’m trying and failing to see how this can help her in any way. Joe Biden will blow her out of the water on this issue alone and she’s done it to herself.
We see the gold standard politician in PBO who genuinely puts forth policies that he feels with improve our society as a whole. Bernie is a purist and about as far to the left as one can be on policies that will probably never see the light of day and will eternally remain in fairyland where extreme ideas go to die. Hillary is trying to catch a little bit of the magic from both of these popular politicians (hence she’ll flip-flop on her support of the TPP). She panders it’s that simple. It doesn’t bother me as much as it does some because before PBO it was common place with candidates. It’s more prevalent on the Republican side. They pander to their crowds, to their donors and to their supporters. It’s par for course with most politicians. It’s just that PBO set a new standard so its hard to see someone on our side be so blatant with it. Not to make excuses but she’s old school. She is who she is and this is the only way she knows how to be a politician. I bet they poll tested this policy among Dems and decided that she would gain some kind of advantage by flip flopping on it. Silly Season!
Also, some have stated that they feel that our debates are going to be boring. I think just the opposite. The Republicans build their debates up by making Trump the centerpiece and giving their viewers the idea that there will be fireworks when they all get on stage. They don’t do a darn thing when they are on that stage with that buffoon. They are all chumps and scared to go after Trump for fear he’ll retaliate. It’s been a pathetic show for them thus far IMO.
But the Dems……
Be prepared for fireworks. Martin and Bernie are going to take Hillary to the woodshed..!!!! She better come ready! It’s gonna be must see tv. Mark my words!!!
Like I said, PBO has set a knew standard and the expectations are that our politicians should follow in his footsteps.
But in reality……
Of course politicians are in low regard. Just take a look at Congress. They have never been rated so low. The internet just confirmed what society has always known and that is a politician will say anything to get elected and we now have the video to prove it.
That should be new not knew
Be prepared for fireworks. Martin and Bernie are going to take Hillary to the woodshed..!!!! She better come ready! It’s gonna be must see tv. Mark my words!!!
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and because there are so few debates…they have little time to waste….
Jackie, I think Hill is trying to outflank Bernie. Won’t work.
I highly doubt that PBO or anybody else in his Administration cares very much what Hillary does or says. They shrugged off last week’s “giving notice” about Keystone and will care as little about this.
HRC’s theory must be that throwing everything at PBO and VPB is a good idea and sooner or later something will hit its mark.
Good luck with that.
With this move in particular, it’s starting to feel like she’s trying her damnedest to put PBO in his place, like payback or something. She knows he has to support her candidacy no matter what, so she’s aggressively twisting the knife. How do we account for her 180?
She didn’t waste any time undermining what the WH has done in the last 2 days to garner support for it.
WJC is known to state that it is Better to be Strong and and wrong than to be Weak and right.
Hmm?
I say, it is worse to be Weak and Wrong.
You can’t support, help negotiate Trade Deal for 2 yrs and spoke glowingly about it 45 times per Jake Tapper and then Flip Flop with a weak NO!
Iraq War……Wrong.
OBL in 2007….No in 2011…..Yes.
Keystone…..Yes…..then No
Syria…..OK……her position stayed the same.
TTP……..Yes…..45 times…..Now? No.
Who are you woman? Do you have core principle? If you do, what are they?
When I get angry I multi-task even more efficiently ….
h/t nospin
#LetsRollJoe
back to the pile of other tasks!! …………
Bob, you are brilliant even when you are “multi-tasking.” Somebody needs to constantly remind Hillary Clinton that there many of us who are not afflicted with amnesia.
Thank you Bobfr. In the preschool classroom, we call it ‘attention getting’.
I feel you passion, Doc. Your voice on Twitter is crucial. Thank you.
I am mad on this for she is blatantly playing weak politics here.
She didn’t get the Unions from the Auto yet, hence, this idiotic Flip Flop.
I get the games. I loath this type of unprincipled gameman/womanship. She is fighting Sanders at his level. That is Pure Weakness. Sanders is Never going the win the Dem Nomination. Yes, most of the Liberal Left are against TTP. I say, so what 51% of Dems support it because Pres Obama had worked on it since 2010.
Bravo, Bob!
Great to see you posting, nath - whenever your daughter lets you have access to your computer!! :)
Thank you MP, Nena & Jacqueline.
#LetsRollJoe
bb in a few hours, hopefully.
You are speaking nothing but the truth Bobfr.
Bwahahaha! 😂
Wonder how Nancy Pelosi feels about TPP now. HRC screwed her over, too.
Poor HRC, she thinks she can “out progressive” Bernie Sanders by pandering to the so called progressives who are opposed to any trade agreement, no matter how much it benefits American workers. Instead, HRC is coming across as an untrustworthy and unprincipled person who would do anything just to get elected president.
Poor Hillary Rodham Clinton, Esquire
Her political yearnings are jumping in the fire
She sees Bernie and her heart beats fast
She sees Joe and wonders if she’ll last
(She’s gotta smile more, is all I ask)
Poor Hillary Rodham Clinton, Esquire
Congrats Dudette on your Solid Au :star:
Thanks Nena!
Now this Idiot Knows NOTHING about Pres Obama nor does he know what makes POTUS tick.
Ole Ron eats this kind of stuff up. He’s the consummate Republican journalist masquerading as an Independent. PBO will not retaliate against Hillary. That’s not to say that he won’t say that he disagrees with her but its just not his style to be vindictive towards a fellow Dem. I guess he’s been watching a different person sitting in that oval office than the rest of us. I can’t stand Fournier!
Exactly, Donna! Well said. Not our President’s style.
Obama administration has doubts that key Hillary gun proposal can work
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/10/07/obama-administration-has-doubts-that-key-hillary-gun-proposal-can-work/
LOL Payback! LOL
I read a few of the comments - there have to be a dozen folks paid by the GOP/gun lobby that traverse the internet making the same lying statements about guns whenever the subject is mentioned. Guns kill, it is what they are designed to do - no amount of lobbying can change that fact.
Perhaps the one and only positive that comes from the mass murders in the US - gives the anti-gun lobby much more power in countries outside of the US. We have folks wanting to overturn our gun laws. While the US keeps killing its citizens because 2nd amendment - our laws will stay in place.
Donna, I sure hope you’re right that the Debate will be interesting.
Sure, Bernie and Martin will go after Hillary but on what???
Bernie and Hill agree on TPP.
They all agree on Keystone.
They all agree on compassion and action on Immigration.
They all want background checks and military assault weapons confined to the military.
Only minor differences on any of these issues.
Will they whine against PBO for an hour and a half???
They could attack republicans for change…
LPolitics—That would be good!
Winning! Not that those whining about the deficit will notice or acknowledge.
Good day TOD. Not surprised by HRC’s position on TPP but I am surprised so many here expected something different:-) And contrary to Fournier’s comment and implication, I don’t think this has anything to do with PBO. Rather, it is Bernie and the unions that formed the basis of her decision. Do you recall she got the backing of the ;largest union just 3 days ago? I’d bet a ton of money that this was her promise to them to get that support. She is losing support with women and blacks, she cannot (in her mind) run the risk of having the union support go to Bernie. So this was her deal with the unions. The few days separating these two announcements is not coincidental, it is tit for tat. Isn’t this what we all expect from her? I certainly do, which is why I didn’t support her in the 2008 cycle.
Good point, Foxfire. Makes a lot of sense.
In_deed.
She is allowing Sen Sanders to determine what she stands for.
Zeke is so very right on this!!
You know, one of things I admire most in PBO - and you’re right, he is unique - is his long game. Every step of the way, he’s playing for long-term results. Never the quick snap. The long slow hand of justice, the trajectory of improvement over time. Incremental but sure. I’m going to truly miss his strong moral compass and judgment. He’s been a true leader.
Couldn’t have said it better, myself.
It is difficult to imagine the country without him at the helm.
Can’t bear it.
Me either. I will cry buckets as they fly off in Marine One on Jan 20, 2025 even with a President Biden in office.
She’s going for the Warren choir as well.
Yup. Good luck with that.
Stay tuned for bitter ugly retort from The Donald.
Good for him.
He is a Spaniard, right?
Haven’t commented much recently……but have been thinking about Hillary’s tactics. Seems to me, she is doing the same kinds of things she did to POTUS eight years ago, and we know where that got her. She is inconsistent, inauthentic ( to use today’s favorite word) and pandering to whoever talked to her most recently. She and her team have no overall strategy…..it’s all reactive tactics, without any consistency. I do not see this boding well for her. So far she’s ahead, but nothing really counts until next year. I just have this feeling we’re going to see a whole lot of fruitbasket upset in each party. Don’t know what or who……but I just don’t feel like anything at all is settled. No one is building consistently, no one really knows what he or she is doing from my point of view.
Hello, carolyn. Nice to see you.
I agree, it does seem like one big mess of a mess. It’s like bumper cars, hurling from one spot to the next.
Hi Carolyn. It’s always good to see you in the village, and to be reassured that you are soldiering on.
“Seems to me, [Hillary] is doing the same kinds of things she did to POTUS eight years ago …. pandering to whoever talked to her most recently …..it’s all reactive tactics …”
Yes, and for me this is the main point of contrast I would make between her and VPJoe if I ever felt like justifying my choice when confronted on twitter with the argument that VPJoe’s pasts has its holes as much as hers does. Quite frankly, I feel HRC’s recent actions do show a candidate who hasn’t learned much in the years since she last campaigned. Conversely, I think VPJoe has not only been intimately exposed to a different form of presidential leadership, he *has* learned a lot. He has an inside track - one which HRC was herself somewhat exposed to, but didn’t make the best use of, I don’t think. Someone said womewhere that Hillary is, and has always been, a fighter. I would add that she doesn’t know when to lay down her arms, not in surrender but in coalition building. She wouldn’t be a restful leader, I think.
How cool it that mountains on Pluto’s moon have been named after 3 giants in science fiction?
I am thoroughly sick of Ignorant propagandists proclaiming that VP Biden “needs a rationale for running.” VP Biden has already said, “Somebody has to run on the amazing things we’ve done.” There’s your rationale, fools.
Almost as tired as I am of “It’s too late.”
And “Too many people have been tied up by HRC.”
All Crap.
Now let’s see if Our Vice President actually decides to run. Sure hope so.
I’m surprised the press haven’t jumped on VP Biden for the remark he made at the end of his speech to the worker’s summit. It seemed like it was off the cuff but it may not have been!
Ha! You mean:
“If I don’t move I’ll be demoted to Sec. of State”
Yeah. The context was he’d said a couple of times he had to end his talk because he had to get to an important meeting with POTUS.
Brilliant. Fighting fire with fire. GO, Joe!
OMG. That’s fabulous!
meh!
Short term gain, long term problem.
That’s how the Clintons operate. They tell themselves they’ll find “a way” to solve the problem later. They look at what they need right now to help their political prospects. And later they find a trick to pivot to another position that suits them at that moment. In the case of th TPP, they know that President Obama can have some help from the republicans and they don’t care if he is victim of demagoguery from the left. They’ll let him fight alone. But if the president needs democratic votes, they’ll work behind the scenes to whip up those votes , with promises of trade-offs, fundraising, etc.
And in the end if republicans balk and want to give President Obama a crushing defeat, the Clintons will have to flip-flop again and announce that after reading the text they can “live with that”, etc. Since many union leaders and many on the “left base” are freaking out about TPP and are not really looking at facts, the Clintons will end up in a position where they make a lot of people angry for “betrayal”. But behind the scenes again, they’ll try to win support by negotiating, again, some trade-off like support on X or Y, or a promise to help reelection, whatever.
Transactional politics. Always.
They don’t know anything else. They’re convinced that it’s the only way to do politics. Sadly.
America has been SPOILED with a president who has the courage to be himself, to take positions that are not necessarily popular. But are in the interest of his country and its people.
I’ve never trust a politician like I trust Barack Obama. Consistent. Authentic. Courageous. It’s RARE.
P.S. I’m not saying Hillary and Bill are evil. At some degree they care about the progressive agenda. If Hillary gets the nomination, no question in my mind I will pray she wins. But boy do I HATE their politics of pandering and of manipulation behind the scenes.
WHOA, Dan faved my tweet so I think he must be scratching his head pretty hard, too. Wonder if he’s glad he’s not in the WH right about now.
Whoa.
Well, world leaders are not fools. They know that Hillary is opposing it just for short term political reasons. They’re confident she will “come to reason” in a few months. Maybe Bill is on the phone right now…
But how do we even know that? She’s claiming to have higher standards than PBO. Yes, it’s politically expedient, but it’s a really bonehead move if she doesn’t mean it at all.
i wonder if she really does believe that she can win the election without the ObamaCoalition
I think she certainly believed it in 2014, but then all her candidates lost. She may think she’s invincible now but not sure what she believes anymore.
Good one.
I wonder if O’Malley will come from nowhere to secure the nomination…now THAT would be interesting…:)
:D
can you imagine this happening….ohh myy
I see BWD has given up her doomed effort to like HRC. She tried very hard to be fair and open-minded and I salute this talented tweeter and Obama supporter.
ut ohhhh…DA-Klein…is questioning Hillary’s motives
Ezra should read TOD.
I wonder how all those people who worked on PBO’s campaigns and in the WH now feel about being on Team Hillary. Oh well.
although they are on her team…i do not see their footprint on her campaign
Good point.
New post.
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/10/07/the-presidents-day-71/