On This Day: The President plays with Sunny, the new Obama family pet, on the South Lawn on Sunnyâs first day at the White House.” Aug. 19, 2013 (Photo by Pete Souza)
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:roll: CC, I have no energy to push you out of the way, so Iâll say, “Morning” without the ‘goodâ!
Itâs morning, I think.
Moooooorning VC, congrats on sekind!
I donât think Iâm going to say ‘thanksâ because I was actually at the top before you fiddled with the clock and bumped me off; however, I think itâs still okay to say
‘Moooooorning CC!â
:-) Happy Tuesday to ya!
Back at you! From your fingers to Godâs ears!
Itâs time for a change in #Ferguson; leaders there have shown all theyâre capable of - they canât sink any lower Iâd think.
Iâm almost afraid to look at the law enforcement shenanigans from last night!
VC, itâs so horrific that just reading about it makes you feel as if youâve been punched in the stomach. The various police apparatus of Ferguson, St. Louis County and the state of Missouri have declared all out war on the inhabitants of one town. They donât care about civil rights, international outrage or consequences. They simply want to silence and oppress the population so that one police man can get away with murder. It seems everyone in the chain of command, from the governor to the cop on the beat, is complicit in the game goal-shut ‘em up and lockâ em up.
Morning, JackieG, and thanks for recap! I caught glimpses on the last thread, but the ‘punched in the stomachâ feeling is why I canât watch in detail. It seems so surreal that citizens of the U.S. are faced with such blatant oppression and disgusting responses because they ask for something to which they are entitled - answers for an execution.
Good Morning Chips & any other TOD morning people. đđ
Morning Roberta!
GE & GM amk
GM Roberta
đł Chips has 1st again.
GM VC
GM, R in MN. If you ignore Chips, *I* have 1st again……so ignore Chips.
GM. Question prettyfoot (and me) asked at end of last thread: Can the DOJ override the Gov. and fire the Ferguson police chief?
Better yet, arrest the whole gang, mayor, prosecutor for conspiracy to commit civil rights crimes?
Evening, Amk. The problem as I see it is that such an action NOW would totally change the focus, and weâd have all the MSM now focusing on THAT to the exclusion of everything else.
The focus is to get some justice, isnât it?
Yes. But could/would justice be had in the midst of the predictable MSM 24hr hype-on-a-loop that would likely result from wholesale arrest of the whole gang of leaders? Somehow I donât think so. It might look good for a day or two to those who say ‘Do somethingâ, but I suspect it would create great chaos there and elsewhere. Iâm hoping out of all this comes more meaningful, long term ‘justiceâ - somewhat like demise of Donât Ask, Donât Tell.
You mean to say the msm wouldnât hype it if there these arrests were made at a later date?
No doubt, but IMO it would by then have lost SOME of its potential to ignite violent reactions on the part of the military wannabees and the far left purity critics. Especially, if in the meantime thereâs been good, solid, unbiased movement in the case of #DarrenWilson.
Tn, that was the question of the day and I wish I had the answer. Iâm hoping that at the very least, the DOJ can bring lawsuit after lawsuit down on the Ferguson police. Congress would have to act on demilitarizing the police, but what chance does that have with Boehner as Speaker? It would be great if the FBI captured the policeman and stuck him in a cell. I donât know what happens if the rigged Grand Jury refused to indict him.
Didnât Eisenhower nationalize the guard in Arkansas? God, Iâm so tired Iâm not even sure the state is right in that question. :( Anyway, would this be any different?
Tn, Iâm no expert, but I think that is no longer legal.
Good morning!
Hi, GoB!
Moooooorning GeeeeeeeeBeeeeeee!!
Hello GB!
Morning all. When AG Holder meets with the various principals on Wednesday, as President Obama said in his statement, I hope he makes clear how many violations of the Constitution and Civil Rights laws have been going on and what lawsuits are even now in the works. I want to see these military wannabes slammed with so many lawsuits they will go bankrupt trying to fight them. I hope he also announces that the FBI has apprehended and incarcerated the murdering policeman and put him in a federal cell. Now is not the time for polite words and diplomatic negotiations, itâs time to lower the boom. PBO said he was watching to see what Nixon was going to do with the National Guard. Itâs obvious he is misusing them and making them complicit in the police war on the population. Time to give Nixonâs chain a very hard yank. Nixon, like many before him, will learn that you do not mess with this President.
Yup. This is what I would like to see. Drown the mofos in lawsuits.
The lawsuits from a civil rights point of view are the answer in the long run. The Southern Poverty Law Center has been successful any number of times with them.
I seriously hope SPLC gets involved, too.
JackieG, I forgot to tell you I DMâd you an update.
I think we need to be more patient with the DOJ process - although thatâs increasingly difficult.
I recommend reading this lawyerâs TL to get a better sense of what the DOJ can/cannot do with this case. He lays it out in a series of numbered tweets.
https://twitter.com/sbagen
I read it and TY for the list, hf.
It will be difficult for me to be patient.
My daughter, grandson and grandaughter (the Deerslayer) live nearby. My daughter and her friends know Michael Brownâs mother. Not well but to say “hello” to.
Iâve recommended that daughter and her friends find some time to do voter registration in Ferguson as a way to bring light to this horrific place in American history.
Thanks so much Alycee - this is excellent :)
jackieg,
The LAPD consent decree was in effect for 20 years (lifted only last year).
However, the LAPD still has problems in the way it treats the citizens they “serve and protect.”
Something needs to happen sooner than 2034.
Good Morning Chipsticks…TOD Family!!!
GM Chips and TOD friends.
I think another frustration with the Ferguson residents is that they are trying to police themselves. Fact is, they would probably be more effective in doing so if they were allowed to do so; in essence, being treated as children. Instead, they are basically being told that they donât have the ability, skill, sense, and discipline to do so. Moreover, by bringing in the state police and the national guard and allowing the FPD to continue their rogue behavior, the control that the citizens have been able to achieve with their self-policing is being overshadowed by the anger and disorder that the police are inciting.
the control that the citizens have been able to achieve with their self-policing is being overshadowed by the anger and disorder that the police are inciting.
Itâs hard not to believe this IS the aim of the FPD and cohorts!
Morning, SW!
Morning, VC!!!
“Itâs hard not to believe this IS the aim of the FPD and cohorts!”
Funny you should add *cohorts*. I, in my cynical, conspiracy theory mode, have speculated that there is some corruption and collusion going on between the FPD, city council, county prosecutor, and mayor (have we heard anything from any of these people?) that goes beyond civil rights violations. With reports about funding the cityâs coffers via targeting and ticketing black residents in traffic stops, you have to wonder what else is going on. Officer Wilson may have opened a can of worms that the City of Ferguson does not want to be examined too closely.
‘Officer Wilson may have opened a can of worms that the City of Ferguson does not want to be examined too closely.â
I do think this, SW. In fact I hinted at it somewhere yesterday. What is it #Ferguson is trying to hide that they would move with such concerted effort and such consistent determination to whitewash Officer Darren Wilsonâs reprehensible conduct? I could accept their standing BEHIND HIM AS HE FACED what he has done. I wouldnât be happy with them because Iâm clearly of the opinion he went too, too far, but I could understand that they needed to stand with him. What they have been doing however, is highly suspect and doesnât seem like a ‘normalâ support of an officer to me.
This is why I do hope SPLC takes this up. Drown these vicious idiots with lawsuits. Because it seems to me that green is the only other color these racists care about.
Precisely! GM swbluega and TOD…IS it a good morning? Feel like I woke up in Somalia….
Morning desertflower.
Iâm also having mornings where Iâm feeling like Iâm waking up with a hangover. [heavy sigh]
In support of your point is the paternalistic patronizing tone of Jay Nixon.
I saw a little bit of what happened last night on live feeds, but I went to bed before the trouble started.
I take a slightly different view. The crowd was controlling themselves find until the Ferguson PD showed up and formed a line blocking further progress down the street. An officer on a blow-horn told the protesters to get out of the street and to get moving or else they were subject to arrest. They also kept telling the press the go back to the “press area.” At first, the press stood with their cameras and recorders between the police and the protestors in the roadway. However, when some of the community organizers (with blow-horns) told them and the protestors for follow the police order to get out of the roadway, the press and the majority of the protestors compiled. But, even as this was going on, the police used these ear-deafening sirens to try to get the protesters and the press to leave. They did this several times, but to no avail.
For a long time, no much happened, although I saw 2 instances where teams of police would go into the crowd and arrest individual protestors and this was despite the fact that these protestors were no where near the police line. Eventually, more and more protesters started to go on home their own. When I stopped watching the live-feed, the crowd was considerably lighter. So, I donât understand why the Ferguson PD ended up shooting tear gas and arresting people.
To me, it was clear that Ferguson PD was looking for a fight. They were pissed out that 1) the crowd never went completely nuts when they first showed up. They remained peaceful. 2) People still werenât following their “orders,” especially the press, and 3) they had to make the “first punch.”
Although I think youâre right that the Ferguson residents are being treated like children; what I saw on the live-feed were the Ferguson PD acting like kids who couldnât wait to use their “toys.” What these vicious idiots donât realize is that most of what happened has been documented and whatever narrative they want to try and create wonât completely stick. Only the right-wing nutters will buy it hook, line and sinker.
And Iâm totally pissed off by the Wall Street Journal headline, calling the protesters militants. The protesters were unarmed, so how could they be called militants? It was the police who had all the guns and weapons.
“…Ferguson PD acting like kids who couldnât wait to use their âtoys….”
Most definitely, nabsentia23, which is one of the problems with FPD (and local police departments in general) having these military grade weapons…lack of training and lack of discretion as to when these weapons should be used.
In the case of FPD though, this is a bullying tactic aimed at trying to take the focus away from them and their cover-up.
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Vc, send him the link to the 50 Thank Yous in the sidebar. Snce he loves to count. There are way more than 50 masterful accomplishments since that was compiled. Perhaps Count VonK will add to the list?!
Two heads are better than one, for sure, MP. I never thought of that! TY. I will keep it in the back of my mind for the next time he says something dumb. [As our convo is over, don't want to poke at him again today lest he thinks I'm looking for attention.]
Did he provide daily reports on GWBâs meals? Or was that not important in the scheme of a Presidentâs day?
Who knows? I would rather attempt to steer him away from food and number of golf games. To me itâs sad that Knoller would think itâs a good bargain for him to perseverate on these bits of non-information.
Yeah, but we know that itâs not so much about reporting what the President does as much as it is trying to embarrass him by making it seems that he is often out “playing” when he should be working. Counting golf dates, number of vacation days, where he eats and what he eats, what heâs wearing when heâs sitting in the oval office… but zilch about his accomplishments.
Yes, *we* know. I like to think that in politely letting Knoller know we know, we *might* nudge him to be a bit more responsible in his use of his privileged placement - at least somewhat more often than heâs been doing. Thatâs actually not a big goal. ;)
Good Morning, Everyone :)
the side eye is epic here:
Good West Coast morning Chipsticks & TOD family.
Mooooooorning GGail!!
Moooorning Chips.
When is Danny`s birthday? I donât want to miss the PARTY!
:-) Iâm 99.99% sure itâs the 24th, GGail, but to my shame: I need to check :oops:
For heavens sake woman! Double check - we donât want you to miss the party too!
I hope it wasnât the 14th :oops:
Good east coast morning, Gail!
Donât mind *her*, itâs the 24th, and Iâm all for her missing the party as sheâs likely to be telling DannyO what he can and canât eat, and how much.
saklee cv
^5 Dannystix
But itâs VeeCee!
soree CeeVee
Aaagggghhh!
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O, donât worry about it, dude. I see your limitations.
Good morning vc and Danny !
Iâm in need of a party…letâs do this!
moarnin ggal!1!
GOOOAALLL, woof woof :D
GGail? Why are you talking to a dog? :roll:
Because he “gets me”
(((Danny)))
Ok, gotta go
Thanks for the smile this morning :-)
I DMâed you.
Just replied, thanks a million petal!
You mean to tell me that bc this president doesnât go to Ferguson Mo and scream at the police, that the far left is hating on him?
You have got to be kidding me?
Just like the oil spill, when this president was supposed to go ten thousand feet underwater himself, hold his breath and plug the fucking hole with clay.
The far left can suck it!
I feel so bad for the president, always have!!
The President has already done far more for Ferguson than the entire left-wing spectrum. Thankfully, most of his supporters are fully aware of that. We have his back.
Well, I believe I just heard Joy Reed, for example, say that the president hasnât embraced the theatrics of the presidency. That the public wants to see him get emotional.
This is far right talking points… What is she talking about?
singing for her supper, maybe
Any and every opportunity to show their dearth of spirit, Jovie, and to reveal, yet again, their innate ugliness. Itâs not human, tho they wear human form. IMO, this is the program Satan (if one considers such) triumphs in propagating.
Gâmorning Chips & TOD! :)
Morning Hopefruit!
Good piece by a former police chief…Ferguson should listen to wise words.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/08/19/as-police-chief-i-knew-we-had-no-justifaction-for-killing-an-unarmed-suspect/
Chat on!
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/08/19/rise-and-shine-886/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/opinion/in-ferguson-black-town-white-power.html?_r=0
The regionâs fragmentation isnât limited to the odd case of a city shedding its county. St. Louis County contains 90 municipalities, most with their own city hall and police force. Many rely on revenue generated from traffic tickets and related fines. According to a study by the St. Louis nonprofit Better Together, Ferguson receives nearly one-quarter of its revenue from court fees; for some surrounding towns it approaches 50 percent.
Municipal reliance on revenue generated from traffic stops adds pressure to make more of them. One town, Sycamore Hills, has stationed a radar-gun-wielding police officer on its 250-foot northbound stretch of Interstate.
With primarily white police forces that rely disproportionately on traffic citation revenue, blacks are pulled over, cited and arrested in numbers far exceeding their population share, according to a recent report from Missouriâs attorney general. In Ferguson last year, 86 percent of stops, 92 percent of searches and 93 percent of arrests were of black people â despite the fact that police officers were far less likely to find contraband on black drivers (22 percent versus 34 percent of whites). This worsens inequality, as struggling blacks do more to fund local government than relatively affluent whites.
SO…making arrests and fining its residents are HOW FERGUSON POLICE MAKE THEIR MONEY! This is unjust and needs to stop…they have every incentive to arrest and fine people, and no incentive to work with the community…take it a step further, and notice (as we all have now!) that this dept force is mostly white and doesnât live in or have roots in the community they police…TOXIC!
Good morning!