Hobby Lobby/SCOTUS – Why?

Where to start?

Employers don’t pay for any actual health “care” unless they direct-fund their own insurance pool. Most employers aren’t in the insurance business. Most employers, even large ones like Disney, GM, and Edison, use large health insurance companies like Anthem, Aetna, and Blue Shield. The nice thing about being a large employer (51+ employees), the more (healthy) employees you have, the better your negotiating power is to write your own coverage. Small groups (50 or less), get to choose from pre-made small group plans.

Employers don’t pay for meds; birth control, or otherwise. The insurance company does. Employers don’t get an itemized Rx bill of all their employees medications to pay every month. The insurance company pays for that, and your medical care is protected private information that your employer has no business ever seeing. The SOCTUS decision doesn’t change that.

The ACA guarantees that women have FREE access to birth control. So, even if Hobby Lobby self-funds their insurance, the SCOTUS decision doesn’t affect that. Either the government (all of us tax payers) or the insurance companies will pick up that tab, because it’s cheaper than maternity care and the birth of a live human.

This decision doesn’t allow Hobby Lobby to force their female employees to pay full price for birth control. It also doesn’t allow Hobby Lobby to block their female employees from getting access to birth control.

No matter what percentage of the premiums Hobby Lobby pays for it’s employees’ health care, it’s not going to get a discount for the females on birth control. (They’re never going to KNOW which employees are on birth control, thanks to the HIPAA laws.) In fact, what’s most likely to happen, is the insurance company will have an excuse to raise rates for everyone across the board to cover their having to paying for whatever birth control these corporations are having a tantrum over.

Combine this nonsense with the metric shit-load of SCIENCE FAIL by both the five idiot men on the SCOTUS who failed biology, and whoever runs these “religious” companies.

Sperm + Egg ≠ Conception. How many times does this need to be said? You have NOTHING without the mother’s uterus, otherwise we’d be breeding people like The Matrix.

Plan B/RU486 PREVENTS implantation into the uterine wall, thus PREVENTING conception and pregnancy. If you’re already pregnant, it does nothing, which is why there’s such a narrow window for its use. An IUD works the same, in preventing implantation. The PILL prevents ovulation, thus preventing conception and pregnancy. You can’t fertilize nor implant an egg that is still hanging out in the ovary, having brunch with its mates.

So…. Why?

Two things:

1. Anything to embarrass or make the POTUS look bad. Thankfully, they’ve failed miserably, and have near universally enraged women.

2. Like our black POTUS, it’s about controlling women as if they’re property, and making sure we know our “place.”

Dear stupid old men: Allow me to educate you. Women know their place. There’s no confusion. We’re the ones who bleed out of our genitals for a week out of every month for over 40 years, can pass a life form the size of an adult cat out of those same genitals while retaining it’s elasticity, all while remaining alive and sane, and able to multitask.

Men not only lack all of those skills and equipment, but find it a challenge to understand how basic biology works, and feel the need to control what they don’t understand.

That’s not only stupid, it’s massively dangerous to the population at large, seeing how it’s likely to affect pretty much everyone in some way, unless you live in a cave and have no contact with other humans. But you’ll still be paying for my birth control via your taxes, no matter what the SCOTUS says.

All that tax money spent taking this case to the SCOTUS, could have been spent on actual health care, jobs, roads, or a million other things this country needs.

EDIT: This is basically about passing the tab for Hobby Lobby’s birth control to the rest of us. Even if they self-fund their own insurance, females get free birth control if they have insurance, thanks to the ACA. If Hobby Lobby won’t cover it, the rest of us get to (along with them via their taxes.)

Just like we pay for Walmart employee’s food stamps.

120 Responses to “Hobby Lobby/SCOTUS – Why?”

  1. 1 Nerdy Wonka
    July 2, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Great stuff, Tally.

  2. 3 Dakota
    July 2, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Good Morning!

  3. 5 amk for obama
    July 2, 2014 at 11:40 am

    bringing over to this more apt thread.

    Four major fuckups of ff.

    1. 1st.
    2. 2nd
    3. lifeterm scotus
    4. lifeterm congress critters

  4. 6 amk for obama
    July 2, 2014 at 11:43 am

    All that tax money spent taking this case to the SCOTUS, could have been spent on actual health care, jobs, roads, or a million other things this country needs.

    And thugs deceive voters with frivolous suits bs.

  5. 8 donna dem 4 obama
    July 2, 2014 at 11:43 am

  6. July 2, 2014 at 11:49 am

  7. July 2, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Excellent post, Tallyrand. (Sorry, was reading about the Congress of Vienna last night.)

  8. 14 amk for obama
    July 2, 2014 at 11:55 am

  9. July 2, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Magnificent, Tally!!!

    Thank you!!!


    Yes WE MUST

  10. 17 mtmarilyn
    July 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Thanks Tally for such a great post. These people aren’t Christian they only care about money. And hurting this President. Nothing is free, we work for it.

  11. 18 amk for obama
    July 2, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Several government departments in China’s far western region of Xinjiang have banned Muslim staff from fasting during the month of Ramadan.

    One department website said that civil servants cannot “take part in fasting and other religious activities”.

    The move comes amid tightened security in the region which has been hit by a growing number of violent attacks.

    Authorities blame separatist Muslim Uighurs, but Uighur leaders deny they are behind the attacks.

    Activists have accused Beijing of exaggerating the threat from Uighur separatists to justify a crackdown on the Uighurs’ religious and cultural freedoms.


    • 19 japa21
      July 2, 2014 at 12:10 pm

      Of course, discriminating against the Muslims even more is certainly the best way to lessen their anger at you.

  12. July 2, 2014 at 12:03 pm

  13. July 2, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    Look at that Bible Belt?

    • 23 Linda
      July 2, 2014 at 12:30 pm

      Not quite dark purple around Atlanta….but….my children have a half brother that will not work on Sunday unless it is religion based work.

  14. 24 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    One of your absolute best, Tally:

  15. July 2, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Justice will be served …

  16. 26 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:09 pm

  17. 27 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:10 pm

  18. 28 amk for obama
    July 2, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    joker wins in 5 sets.

  19. July 2, 2014 at 12:11 pm

  20. 37 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:11 pm

  21. 38 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:12 pm

  22. July 2, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Excellent post Tally, thanks a trabillion for writing it!

  23. 43 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 12:13 pm

  24. July 2, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Thanks guys.

    This is basically about passing the tab for Hobby Lobby’s birth control to the rest of us. Even if they self-fund their own insurance, females get free birth control if they have insurance, thanks to the ACA. If Hobby Lobby won’t cover it, the rest of us get to (along with them via their taxes.)

    Just like we pay for Walmart employee’s food stamps.

    • 47 Dudette
      July 2, 2014 at 12:25 pm

      Tally <<< FIYAH! 😀

    • 48 Roberta in MN
      July 2, 2014 at 1:09 pm

      Thank you Tally. Re-posted on FB. It really says it all. I was so angry the other day when this went down. I have family members that I have had this conversation with, and yet they got fixed, or IUD’s implanted. The hypocrisy is stunning.

    • 49 0388jojothecat
      July 2, 2014 at 1:29 pm

      Great post our lovely Tally. This is what I wanted to know. Listening to the male knuckle draggers all they care about is HL not having to “pay” for women’s BC…..will now these men get to pay for it with their taxes. Men feel its OK that HL sells China-abortion-goods or invest in BC drug company’s because it’s their right….no hippocray there.

  25. 51 daisydem
    July 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Whoa! Tally is pissed off! This may be the best post ever! Thank you so much.

  26. 54 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:18 pm

  27. 55 amk for obama
    July 2, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    fedex levels 1-1. go fedex.

  28. 63 57andfemale
    July 2, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    I wonder how many people have unfriended me on FB over Hobby Lobby. I try to be respectful and careful on FB. On this issue, I no longer care. I am outraged and I want my outrage on record.

    I’m sure I’ve lost my sister-in-law who believes if the entire country isn’t run through her evangelical beliefs, she is being ‘persecuted’. How dare she talk to a Jewish girl about persecution!

    • 64 amk for obama
      July 2, 2014 at 12:25 pm

      never had it. never will.

      • 66 57andfemale
        July 2, 2014 at 12:50 pm

        I keep in touch with some people I would otherwise not be in contact with. I’m very selective, but I have a few ‘friends’ and relatives who I am sure have had it with my outrage. I make no excuses for being liberal and the vast majority of my FB ‘friends’ share my beliefs.

        • 67 amk for obama
          July 2, 2014 at 12:53 pm

          you know what they say? (don’t ask me who are they) – fb is for those who are ashamed of their selfies and twitter is for whose who are proud of their selfies.

          • 68 57andfemale
            July 2, 2014 at 1:02 pm

            I belong to both – what does that make me?

            My favorite college roommate found me on FB. A close friend my childhood, high school and college found me on FB, where I could share with him the loss of his father (who was also a great friend to me). It’s not perfect, but we don’t pick up a phone (he lives in a different state), we don’t get together. FB fills that need for me. I’ve also found that I share political beliefs with people I wouldn’t have necessarily believed would share my beliefs. We don’t talk about it over the water cooler, but discovered our affinities on FB

            What I DON’T do is announce what I had for lunch. I don’t give a damn if you’re tired or you lost your keys. Perhaps I much more selective than most.

            Oddly enough, the batshit crazy evangelical sister-in-law has been very silent on the Hobby Lobby decision. I DO know, unfortunately, what she made her granddaughter for lunch. Hey, I didn’t say she was bright, did I?

  29. 69 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    For 99ts! 🙂

  30. 72 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:26 pm

  31. 77 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    • 78 JER
      July 2, 2014 at 12:32 pm

      • 79 amk for obama
        July 2, 2014 at 12:35 pm

        yup. goppers have done more damage than bin laden ever dreamt of. mission accomplished.

  32. 80 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:28 pm

  33. 81 JER
    July 2, 2014 at 12:30 pm

  34. 82 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:30 pm


  35. 83 desertflower
    July 2, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Well, THIS is what SCOTUS just backed when they sided with the Greens over at Corporate..err..Hobby Lobby. Don’t just get angry, get registered and VOTE!!


    For a decade or so, Hobby Lobby and its owners, the Green family, have been generous benefactors of a Christian ministry that until recently was run by Bill Gothard, a controversial religious leader who has long promoted a strict and authoritarian version of Christianity. Gothard, a prominent champion of Christian home-schooling, has decried the evils of dating, rock music, and Cabbage Patch dolls; claimed public education teaches children “how to commit suicide” and undermines spirituality; contended that mental illness is merely “varying degrees of irresponsibility”; and urged wives to “submit to the leadership” of their husbands. Critics of Gothard have associated him with Christian Reconstructionism, an ultrafundamentalist movement that yearns for a theocracy, and accused him of running a cultlike organization. In March, he was pressured to resign from his ministry, the Institute in Basic Life Principles, after being accused by more than 30 women of sexual harassment and molestation—a charge Gothard denies.

    • 84 desertflower
      July 2, 2014 at 12:37 pm

      According to the 79-year-old Gothard, the Greens and Hobby Lobby—which this week won a landmark Supreme Court case with a decision ruling that the firm does not have to adhere to the Obamacare mandate requiring companies to cover contraception in their employee health plans—have supported the Institute in Basic Life Principles for 10 to 15 years, primarily by obtaining four or five facilities for the ministry. In 2001, the Greens, through a family trust, sold Gothard’s group a 2,250-acre campus in Big Sandy, Texas, for $10. The campus, which has a landing strip and aircraft hangar, now houses the Institute’s International ALERT Academy, a boot camp where young men train in disaster response techniques. The academy also runs a program for girls 15 and older. The website for that program notes that “skirts are required to encourage the girls to remain feminine in an active lifestyle.” The application—under the heading “mental health”—asks girls if they are struggling with “day dreaming,” “fantasy,” or “lustful thoughts.

      Oh..there’s more batshit crazy where this came from…at the link.

  36. July 2, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Thank you, Tally, for expressing what the GOP propaganda machine known as the MSM should be reporting on.

    The fact is, virtually all women of childbearing age rely on contraception at some point in their life, unless their name is Joyce Dugger, and who thinks it’s a great thing for children and/or society to have them compete with 20 other siblings for attention?

    Here’s a link to an @LATimes Op-Ed from this weekend by a playwright whose new play will debut at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival this month:

  37. 88 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:41 pm

  38. 89 desertflower
    July 2, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    Another excellent read: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/religious-liberty-revisited-in-hobby-lobby-s-wake

    In the absence of a culture war victory (represented by the elusive goal of a recriminalization of abortion, recently escalated among many conservative evangelicals into a common front with conservative Catholics in opposing contraception generally), however, the Christian Right has pursued a hybrid strategy of aggressive separatism, demanding for believers their own set of righteous laws and institutions. And that’s what brings us to the current litigation.

  39. 90 donna dem 4 obama
    July 2, 2014 at 12:42 pm

  40. 92 desertflower
    July 2, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    Off to tutor. Tell them (RWNJ) not to break anything else while I’m gone:)

  41. 93 amk for obama
    July 2, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    fedex 2-1. go fedex.

  42. 94 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    ROFL! 😀

  43. 98 amk for obama
    July 2, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Is there a PBO speech planned for today’s voting rights anniversary?

  44. July 2, 2014 at 12:57 pm

  45. 101 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    He IS a time traveler, ya know! This could explain a lot.

  46. July 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Amen, Tally! You sure have a way with words! Thank you! ❤

  47. 103 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm

  48. 106 Dudette
    July 2, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Thanks GOP!

  49. 110 Judith Fardig
    July 2, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Tally, I’m in awe of you. Thanks for the fierce post!

  50. 112 EricFive
    July 2, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Silly Season is officially in full swing. Let’s see, Boner initiates bogus lawsuit against PBO which serves to energize Dems, increasing fundraising and inspiring intelligent and impassioned mocking via the “SoSueMe#”. Then the Supreme Court issues a partisan anti-woman decision which served to energize and enrage Dems and make the GOP look like a party out of its time (and mind, next stop, theocracy). So what narrative is the MSM/GOP pushing today? PBO is the worst president ever according to a biased and bogus “poll”. chuck todd cheerily trumpets this bullshit (its the perfect companion to his “PBO’s presidency is over” nonsense from last week, which was “based” on skewed reading of a single poll question in a single poll). The MSM/GOP are feeling the heat, so they create anti-PBO headlines through manipulation (and often misinterpretation) of polls. Propaganda 101. The MSM/GOP are attempting to recreate the mood of 2010, but reality keeps interfering with their objective, so they are relying more and more on strategically timed polls to halt any momentum of the Dems. Trumpeting skewed polls and ignoring or burying news that can be viewed as positive for Dems (or the country) is the current tactic. Unfortunately for the GOP/MSM, this is not 2010. Dems seem more unified and are more angry at the GOP than they are with their own party. PBO is leading the party through both words and deeds. He has no fear of the GOP and is speaking truth. So is Harry Reid, who has really found his voice recently. In short, don’t fall for the propaganda which is designed to depress Dems. The over the top nature of their propagandizing tells me they are desperate, subtlety is out the window as they see their influence in dictating perceptions waning.

  51. 113 sjterrid
    July 2, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Great post, Tally!

  52. 117 Nena20409
    July 2, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Job Well Done, Ms Tally.


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