Chat On

On This Day: First Lady Michelle Obama talks with Joshua Wilkins-Waldron during a “Let’s Move! London” event at Winfield House in London, England, July 27, 2012 (Photo by Sonya N. Hebert)

118 Responses to “Chat On”

  1. July 27, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    I’m thinking of ditching Time Warner’s leased modem and getting my own. Keeps crashing on me.

  2. 6 rikyrah
    July 27, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    Good Afternoon everyone

  3. July 27, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Young Joshua looks like he’s in love.

  4. 8 Nena20409
    July 27, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    Gold ⭐ for LL 😉

  5. 9 forus50
    July 27, 2014 at 6:14 pm

  6. July 27, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    Good Sunday afternoon TOD:

    “It began as a war of choice: A different Israeli policy in the last few months might have prevented it. It evolved into a pointless war. It’s already pretty obvious that it will not result in any long-term achievements. It could still deteriorate into a disaster, and in the end will turn out to have been a war of deception – Israel lied itself to ruination. The first deceit was that there was no alternative. True, when the rocket barrages landed on Israel, that was the case. But what about the steps that led up to them? They were steps to which there were other options. It isn’t difficult to imagine what would have happened had Israel not halted the peace talks; had not launched an all-out war on Hamas in the West Bank, in the wake of the murder of the three Israeli teenagers; had not held up the transfer of funds earmarked for the payment of government salaries in the Gaza Strip; had not opposed the Palestinian unity government; and had eased up on its blockade of the Gaza Strip.

    The Qassam rockets were a response to Israel’s choices. Afterward the goals snowballed, as they always do in wars – from stopping the rockets, to finding and destroying the tunnels, and on to the demilitarization of Gaza. They might well continue to snowball, to who knows where. “Quiet will be met with quiet.” Remember that? On Friday, Israel rejected U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry’s cease-fire proposal. The second deceit is that the occupation of the Gaza Strip has ended. Imagine a besieged enclave, whose inhabitants are imprisoned, much of whose affairs are controlled by another state – from maintaining a population registry to running the economy, including prohibiting exports and restricting fishing, and which flies in its skies and occasionally invades its territory. Is that not occupation?

    The third deceit is the claim that the Israel Defense Forces “does everything in its power” to avoid killing civilians. We’ve already passed the first thousand deaths, a frightening number of them children and the majority of them civilians; with neighborhoods that have been flattened and 150,000 displaced persons with nowhere safe to run. All that makes the claim nothing more than a bitter joke. The claim that the world supports the war and recognizes its justness is also an Israeli deception. While it’s true that Western politicians reiterate that Israel has the right to defend itself, the bodies that are piling up and the desperate refugees are upsetting the world and generating hatred toward Israel. In the end, even the statesmen who support Israel will turn against it…..continued

    …..And the biggest joke of all, the mother of all deceptions: the belief in the rightness of its ways. The “just war” slogan is repeated so frequently, ad nauseam, that one begins to suspect that even the ones who scream it the loudest have their doubts, otherwise they wouldn’t scream so loudly and wouldn’t fight so easily with the few who try to express a different opinion. After all, how can a preventable war be justified? And how can one wrap oneself in its rightness in the presence of the horror-show images from Gaza? Perhaps the ground is burning under the feet of the members of this war-justifiers’ chorus as well. Perhaps they also realize that when the battles end, the real picture will become clear. That’s how it always is in wars of deception, and that’s how the war of 2014 will turn out, too.”

    • July 27, 2014 at 6:25 pm

      Case & Point:

      Meet the Press’ David Gregory showed United Nations Relief & Works Agency spokesperson Chris Gunness video Sunday morning that purported to show rockets being fired from a UN school — which would appear to back up Israel’s claim that Hamas was using the schools to mask its weapons — and asked if it proved Hamas was getting the end run around the U.N. There were a few problems, though — the film had only just been posted to YouTube by the Israeli government, it was unverified, and Gunness couldn’t even see it. “The Israelis say — and I realize that you cannot see this video, our audience can, and I’m going to describe it to you — that [this video] purports to show rockets being fired from a UN school,” Gregory said. “Is this accurate? Could this be happening without the U.N.’s knowledge that only bolster the Prime Minister’s point that Hamas is using civilians, using United Nations even in a kind of propaganda war?”

      Gunness wasn’t having it. “To be fair to me, to bring me on a live program and expect me to comment live on air on pictures I haven’t actually seen, I think anyone looking at this program would agree that’s really unfair,” he said. Sure enough, by the end of the show the U.N. had weighed in and said the video did not show rockets firing from a U.N. school. Gregory issued a correction.

      “An end note in a discussion about Gaza we asked a spokesman about this video which Israel claims showed rockets being fired by Hamas from a U.N. school in Gaza,” Gregory said. “This is shot by the Israeli government, and that’s their claim. The U.N. has reviewed it, tells us they have confirmed, in their view, the video does not show rockets being fired from U.N. administrative school in Gaza. So this is a back and forth we are not able to settle at this point.” That’s one way to put it.”

      • 13 99ts
        July 27, 2014 at 8:00 pm

        “back and forth” – the UN or Israel covering its butt. Gregory comes across as dumber than GWB

        Gunness should have said much more than “really unfair” – “blatantly dishonest” might cover it.

    • 14 Vicki
      July 27, 2014 at 6:36 pm

      Bravo, lovelyplains. Every word is true.
      And since I read my allowed 6 ha’eretz articles already I am unable to access this one.
      So thank you.

      This is the israeli leftish newspaper. earthshaking.

      • 15 Vicki
        July 27, 2014 at 6:39 pm

        Gideon Levy is the author which I managed to see before the paywall sprung up. I may have to shell out and subscribe.

      • July 27, 2014 at 6:42 pm

        My pleasure, Vicki……I assumed it might be pay wall issue for some…..one thing I do is clear my browsing history every other day (or try opening in a different browser) and typically you will never hit a limit for most sites.

        • 17 Vicki
          July 27, 2014 at 6:51 pm

          Ha’eretz has never upheld its policy, which had been 12 stories a month before. They are right if they are thinking that many people will want to hear their sane voice now in such a troubled time. Even if we have to pay for it.

        • July 27, 2014 at 7:03 pm

          I keep Chrome for my main browsing, and keep Firefox for my newspaper browsing, where I clear cache every couple of days.

          • 19 vcprezofan2
            July 27, 2014 at 8:10 pm

            No fair that ‘experts’ like you and LPlains know how to subvert pay walls and such!

            psst, does clearing cache involve more than one click of a key? If yes, pass it on…..again. (Someone here told me how AGES ago but that time when I tried it I lost stuff I didn’t want to lose, so I lost the instructions. I like to think I may be a wee bit more savvy now.)

            • July 27, 2014 at 8:11 pm

              Basically, delete your history from your web browser. Chrome, Firefox, and IE each do it a bit differently.

              • 21 vcprezofan2
                July 27, 2014 at 8:15 pm

                You *could* be a bit more basic than that couldn’t you?

                • July 27, 2014 at 8:18 pm


                  When you have your browser up, hit F1. That will bring up the help menu. Then search for “delete cache”. It will walk you through how to delete cache/history for your particular browser.

                  • July 27, 2014 at 8:21 pm

                    Hold it. VC, before you start this, will you wait til I’m in my nuclear bunker? Thanks.

                    • 24 vcprezofan2
                      July 27, 2014 at 8:27 pm

                      Chips Chica, I do NOT ❤ you, you meanie!!!! (Where's the hate symbol, anyways?)

                      {I cracked up, very loudly, when I read that, so offspring who was passing by rushed in to see what was soooo funny. Need I say that he thought it was hilarious, and he has a VERY loud laugh! smh That's one of my parenting failure – he never did learn that he is always supposed to side with his parent (ask GGail)! }

                    • July 27, 2014 at 8:41 pm

                      😆 Is it safe to come out now??

                    • 26 vcprezofan2
                      July 27, 2014 at 8:43 pm

                      Picture that side eye dog who was sitting on the front seat of the car yesterday. If you come out here now I’ll….. bite you!!!!

                  • 27 vcprezofan2
                    July 27, 2014 at 8:30 pm

                    Thanks ever so much, Lib_L. I’ve found ‘history’ – not that it was lost 😉 – but have decided to wait until CC gets into her bunker (ie. I’ll do it tomorrow out of fear of wrecking something tonight before I catch up).

                    Thanks again.

    • 28 Jeff
      July 27, 2014 at 6:49 pm

      If you go on the media news messages you would notice suddenly how the right is desperate to bring up Libya or some other conflict besides Israel/Gaza.

      • 29 Vicki
        July 27, 2014 at 6:54 pm

        Yes. When you may be on the ropes change the subject. ACA hits 30 million. Benghazi!
        We are on to them, Jeff.

        If we all get out and vote we will take this country back, alright. Back from the greedy lying SOBs in the GOP/MSM/Privileged Left.

  7. July 27, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    Several fires breaking out in California this weekend…..

  8. July 27, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    OK, I think it’s time for an afternoon gimlet. It’s been thundering, striking lightning, and raining here in my corner of Los Angeles. Which, you know, shouldn’t be happening in July.

  9. July 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    Satellite images released Sunday show what the U.S. government says is evidence that Russian forces are firing rockets and heavy artillery into Ukraine in support of pro-Russian rebels. The four black and white images, which were taken between July 21 and July 26, were released by the State Department and include captions from the Director of National Intelligence. They support the U.S. government’s recent claim that Russia appeared to be moving heavy artillery systems toward Ukraine. Russian officials have denied involvement in the conflict.

  10. 33 hopefruit2
    July 27, 2014 at 6:36 pm


    Thank you Jon. Sick & Tired of the GOPMedia trying to psychoanalyze this F-ing President.

  11. July 27, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    The Acela corridor summed up in two links……

  12. July 27, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    A bit of nature.

  13. July 27, 2014 at 6:45 pm


  14. July 27, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    Some very good people provide some relief:

    • July 27, 2014 at 6:57 pm

      That’s touching.

      On another subject: AWFUL storms all around us and headed my wat in 20-30 minutes. One of the times I am really scared and wish husband was here. He is at an Inn in VT and they are having BAD storms as well! Sure thankful he is there and not in a shelter on the Trail.

    • 42 nospin
      July 27, 2014 at 9:59 pm

      Love this.

  15. July 27, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    Man Alive!

  16. July 27, 2014 at 6:54 pm

  17. July 27, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    O/T: Auburn legend Frank “Big Hurt” Thomas, inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame today:

  18. July 27, 2014 at 7:05 pm

  19. July 27, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Boko Haram is spreading.

    The Cameroonian military says members of the Nigerian militant group Boko Haram have abducted the wife of the country’s deputy prime minister in the northern Cameroonian town of Kolofata.

    A local religious leader and mayor was also abducted from the same town.

    Separately, at least five people in northern Nigeria were killed in a blast – residents suspect Boko Haram.

    Boko Haram has stepped up cross-border attacks into Cameroon in recent weeks, as the army was deployed to the region.

    Militants have kidnapped foreign nationals in northern Cameroon before, including a French family and Chinese workers.

    Story here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28509530

  20. July 27, 2014 at 7:11 pm

  21. July 27, 2014 at 7:14 pm

  22. July 27, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Message war:

    Obama gets tough with Netanyahu, for Gaza and/or for Kerry
    Remember: nothing riles the White House more than the appearance that Israel is supplying ammo to Obama’s political enemies, as it did on Sunday.

    Barack Obama may have stopped short of reading the riot act to Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday, but the White House version of the two leaders’ phone conversation left no room for doubt: The U.S. President was ratcheting up the rhetoric and the pressure on Israel to end the fighting in Gaza, and to end it now.

    Both the tone and the content of the official readout of the phone call conveyed a sense of assertiveness and urgency that was significantly blunter than the language used by Obama since the start of the Gaza campaign. The immediate assumption was that the White House was venting its anger at the full frontal assault on Secretary of State John Kerry that was launched after the Israeli cabinet’s rejection of his cease-fire proposals on Friday and reached fever pitch in Sunday’s Israeli media reports. A second explanation, alternative or supplementary, was that Obama was expressing his own sense of anguish and distress with the scenes of death and destruction in Gaza that were exposed for the world to see during Friday’s 12-hour cease-fire.


    • July 27, 2014 at 7:30 pm

      Good article, meta. I particularly enjoyed this paragraph …

      “The specific words chosen by the White House aides in formulating the official readout were all taken from the dictionary of diplomatic jargon, but they were unequivocal nonetheless. “Building on Secretary Kerry’s efforts” (but turbocharging them) “the President made clear” (this was not a request) “the strategic imperative” (this is more important than anything else for me now, so it should be for you too) “of instituting an immediate, unconditional (no ifs, buts or maybes) humanitarian ceasefire that ends hostilities now (and not later) and leads to a permanent cessation of hostilities based on the November 2012 ceasefire agreement.””

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  25. July 27, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    “Most societies, especially those in conflict, are guilty of one-sided narratives. But it is troubling that the international media dutifully repeats them. A recent article in The Economist about the escalation begins with the discovery of the bodies of the three kidnapped Israeli youths, never once mentioning the massive Israeli operation against Hamas in the West Bank that preceded the finding, nor the fact that the protracted search for the boys seems to have been simply a pretext for a political operation against Hamas because the prime minister knew the youths were dead almost from the start, nor that Israel has produced no evidence that Hamas was directly responsible for their despicable kidnapping and murder at all. “The escalation has demolished an uneasy peace,” the article announces in a wildly inaccurate description. Go ask the Palestinians of Gaza or the West Bank about that uneasy peace, or the Israelis of Sderot.

    With these representations so widespread, it’s understandable that many blame only Hamas. Lulled into the habit of short-term, one-sided readings of the situation, even well-meaning Israelis and Diaspora Jews naturally advocate short-term, one-sided solutions: Bomb and crush them militarily now; never mind what might happen in a few weeks or years.”

    • July 27, 2014 at 7:23 pm

      “More recently, what if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had not seen red when Fatah reached a reconciliation agreement with Hamas to create a technocratic government as a prelude to elections? His instant determination to crush Hamas as punishment is not unlike George W. Bush vowing to smash Saddam Hussein for 9/11, with its lamentable consequences. The paradigm is still one of force and emotional gratification today, sacrificing people’s lives on either side now and in the wars of tomorrow.”

  26. July 27, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Any way, because slightly more important things were happening, I refrained from sharing my bad news from yesterday –

    When I made burgers for my guests and took the bun/bappy thingies out of the freezer, there were only bottom buns/baps in the packet.


    So we had to eat our burgers between two bottoms.

    Sending a strongly worded letter to the company tomorrow.

    Okay, chat on.

  27. 110 JER
    July 27, 2014 at 7:30 pm

  28. July 27, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    My dog’s sighs are so world-weary and melancholy. The world’s weight is on his shoulders.

  29. July 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    I’m sure this will go as smoothly as the last time ….

  30. July 27, 2014 at 7:55 pm

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