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The Clintons and African Americans

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Don

Maybe the problem is that we’re looking at the Hillary Clinton situation through a political lens and not a psychological lens. When you’re beloved by black folk as much as the Clintons were you can’t come away from thinking that you’re not one of them, or that you don’t understand the plight of black folk. The problem the Clintons encountered was that an actual black man arrived and challenged their standing in the black community. When Bill Clinton was attacked, many in the black community defended him.

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When his impeachment was taking place every black minister with a church ran down to the White House to lay hands on Bill Clinton and to pray for him. Damn near every black celebrity that ever met Bill Clinton said that Bill had a special connection with them. For lack of a better word, Bill Clinton had a stranglehold on the Black community. In the eighties in the black community you had a lot of social and judicial unrest, blacks had to find a way to channel that unrest, and they found it through starting businesses, they found it through the arts, and they found it through politics. And by the time the nineties arrived the black community was on the verge of realizing its power.

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Then Bill Clinton arrived, he invited us into the White House to break bread with him, in so many ways “he felt our pain.” To this day Bill and Hillary Clinton can walk into any neighborhood of color and be welcomed with open arms. In the black community the past works of the Clintons guaranteed our never wavering loyalty.

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And then it happened, on a cold day in Illinois an unassuming skinny black man with an unusual name said that he was running to be President of the United States of America. And as quickly as he announced he was also quickly dismissed, even by some in the black community. The black political structure was not ready for Barack Obama, we were ok if you ran for Mayor or Senator or Governor. But for the Presidency, hold on a minute young buck.

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The psychological chains are the hardest chains the black community has ever had to break; even to this day we struggle to break them to some extent. And this is where the Clintons come in; we in the black community we put the Clintons on such a pedestal that they’ve convinced themselves that they can do no wrong when it came to the black voter. What the Clintons failed to understood was that a vote for Barack was not necessarily a vote against them.

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Many people believed that black people voted for Barack because he was black, some of that is true. But those voters didn’t outnumber those voters that voted against Barack because he was black; those two groups cancelled each other out. So, now you have the Clintons being loved in the black community versus the black community voting for Barack Obama. And that is the problem that the Clintons couldn’t understand, to this day they still don’t understand it. And because they didn’t understand it they lashed out in ways that didn’t make sense in the black community. Bill Clinton telling Ted Kennedy that back in the day someone like Barack would be serving them coffee, questioning Barack’s citizenship. And undermining the President Obama at every opportunity are just some of the ways that they have lashed out.

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The Clintons would do well this time around to embrace President Obama and understand what he represents for the country, but more importantly what he represents for the black community.

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124 Responses to “The Clintons and African Americans”


  1. 1 Dudette
    January 17, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    Excellent!

  2. 2 forus50
    January 17, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    Beautifully said Don…

  3. 3 forus50
    January 17, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    I posted this at the bottom of the last thread. It appears that the Iranian people now have better access to the internet. https://twitter.com/forus50/status/688828731729784832

  4. January 17, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    I appreciate this explanation very much. Thank you for such an astute analysis.

  5. 9 Judith Fardig
    January 17, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    Congratulations, Dudette! We need President Obama’s successor to run on his stellar record proudly and unapologetically in order to WIN and be the person in charge of nominating the next (few) Supreme Court Justices.

  6. January 17, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    BRAVO DON!!!!

    You told the truth.

    Thanks for FPing this zizi.

  7. January 17, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    Congratulation to the Carolina Panthers, they will play Arizona Cardinals for the right to the Super Bowl. I want to see someone in the AFC who can beat New England, tire of them winning all the time.

  8. January 17, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    I find this article to be very insightful regarding D.Truman’s campaign. And it’s quite worrying.
    What most fundamentally distinguishes authoritarians, as we explained in detail in our book, are three inter-related sets of attitudes about which they are, collectively, adamant: 1) an especially strong propensity to divide the world into us vs. them and a concomitant intolerance of outgroups perceived as threats to America’s existing social fabric; 2) projecting strength in the most straightforward, uncompromising way possible; and 3) the related perils following from the breakdown of law and order.

    That, in a nutshell, is Trump’s campaign.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-weiler/demystifying-the-trump-co_b_8089380.html

    • 16 forus50
      January 17, 2016 at 4:53 pm

      Trump would lose to Clinton** in a landslide. And hopefully a Dem Congress too. My only concern is that Marco Rubio wins the nomination and the GOP establishment throws all their weight behind him with his false persona of a young Hispanic moderate. So I hope Trump does get the nomination.

      **From what I can tell even if Sanders was to win Iowa ( and most likely will win New Hampshire) he won’t win South Carolina or Nevada and won’t win Super Tuesday.

      • January 17, 2016 at 6:02 pm

        Each Republican seems worse than the last. I thought it was interesting that his appeal is not based on income level, etc. But on the authoritarian personality trait.

  9. 18 globalcitizenlinda
    January 17, 2016 at 4:47 pm

  10. January 17, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    the fact that Bill Clinton was called the 1st blk president..left a very bad taste in my mouth….it was disgusting how some fawned over him ….i think it was all a con…his welfare to work reform…his prison reform had a disproportional impact on the Blk Community….

    i am not a Hillary Cinton fan….but i would be more in her corner if it did not mean that Bill Clinton came with her….

    But the DEMS have us between a rock and hard place ……

    Sanders is a no starter for me…O’Malley does not have enough lift…that leaves Hillary Clinton….

    what a way to go after PBO…

    • January 17, 2016 at 5:50 pm

      Hi TOD, PF. I agree with every single word you stated, though I had to swallow hard on this:

      “but i would be more in her corner if…….”

      This is so hard for me to fathom, with or without Bill, but yeah, Bill makes it doubly hard. As I said, everything else I echo wholeheartedly.

    • 26 SUEDUVALL SMITH
      January 17, 2016 at 7:45 pm

      FRANKLY I DON’T THINK HILLARY CAN CONNECT WITH THE AVERAGE SOUL…BILL ALWAYS HAD THE ABILITY TO SPIT OUT THE FLUFF AND STUFF…BUT…IF EITHER OF THEM TO THIS DAY WERE PRESIDENT…THEY WOULD DUMP BARACK’S AGENDA IN A HEARTBEAT…THEY ARE OPPORTUNISTS…THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE…NUMERO UNO… BARACK OBAMA!

  11. January 17, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    uh huh

    uh huh

    Anyone else disturbed by him getting over $100k for fostering children?

    I’ve never done it..is this a normal payment for foster kids?
    ………………………..

    Oregon Militia Spokesman Says Foster Children Were Removed From His Home

    Brendan O’Connor
    Today 11:56am
    Filed to: OREGON

    Oregon militia spokesman Robert “LaVoy” Finicum told OPB that the four foster children who had been living with him and his wife on their Chino Valley, Arizona, ranch have been taken away. “I hope people are seeing the sacrifices we’re making here,” he said.

    ………………………………………..

    That represents an enormous loss of income for the Finicums. According to a 2010 tax filing, Catholic Charities paid the family $115,343 to foster children in 2009. That year, foster parents were compensated between $22.31 and $37.49 per child, per day, meaning if the Finicums were paid at the maximum rate, they cared for, on average, eight children per day in 2009.

    “That was my main source of income,” Finicum said. “My ranch, well, the cows just cover the costs of the ranch. If this means rice and beans for the next few years, so be it. We’re going to stay the course.”

    • 28 Don
      January 17, 2016 at 5:00 pm

      The state supports this asshole but we’re to believe he’s anti-government. To me he’s just another scammer sucking from the teats of the state. Hand-out central is what the Oregon Militia is all about.

      • 29 idon
        January 17, 2016 at 5:19 pm

        They should never ever have foster children in their home again because one of the criteria for fostering is that you must have YOUR OWN source of income.

      • 30 Obama Grandmama
        January 17, 2016 at 5:29 pm

        It is not “the Oregon militia”. Oregon is the site that out of state militias have gone to in order to protest the rancher going back to jail from there. Most of the local Oregon Burns area inhabitants want these out of area militia out of their community. It seems unfair that the name Oregon and militia has been melded together. The Bundy’s are from Nevada. Finicum is from AZ and there are many from ID, MT and CO.

        • 31 Judith Fardig
          January 17, 2016 at 6:40 pm

          Thanks for pointing that out. They are seditionists or white terrorists or “self-proclaimed” militiamen but NOT patriots or Oregonians. We really want the FBI to stop all mail service and cut off water’heat/electricity/wi-fi, etc.

    • January 17, 2016 at 5:07 pm

      I don’t know where to start with this. Aren’t the kids supposed to be your first responsibility, especially kids who are yearning for some kind of stable home life? Apparently he didn’t care about them when he pulled this stunt-a stunt that would possibly land him either in the grave or in jail, a stunt that left his wife at home watching the kids without support and help.

      Also, he’s taking money from the government. Isn’t he supposed to be the “self-sufficient rancher” who can pay his own way without help? He would diss people who were getting food stamps and subsidized housing to take care of their own children, but willingly takes far more money for foster children.

      • 33 idon
        January 17, 2016 at 5:21 pm

        anti-gov’t welfare recipients. The irony is beyond the pale.

        • 34 Judith Fardig
          January 17, 2016 at 6:55 pm

          Here is what columnist David Sarasohn has to say:

          The insurrection itself is deeply dependent on the feds, not just in its expectations of support by mail, but in its merry driving around in federal vehicles as if they were parents’ cars — and in relying on the feds’ keeping the power to the refuge flowing. The occupation is less the Alamo than a middle-aged male sleepover. These are not people who want government off their backs. These are people who’ve been riding on the back of government and want to be carried higher up. More at –

          http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/01/david_sarasohn_middle-aged_mal.html

    • 35 99ts
      January 17, 2016 at 6:17 pm

      Children as your main source of income – I’ve not heard of such a thing – find it disgusting

    • 36 Lynn
      January 17, 2016 at 6:19 pm

      Thank you for bringing this up, rikyrah.

  12. 37 globalcitizenlinda
    January 17, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    I also worry about what will happen to the CBC.

    I don’t know what the deep unyielding support to BC & HRC represents … I only know that many in the CBC had to be taken kicking and screaming to voice feeble support to PBO and many have not changed much ;

    Over the past 8 years, one would be forgiven to think that the CBC did not exist;

    may be I am biased but I felt that for the main part, the CBC turned in their responsibility as the “conscience of the nation” and just resorted to collecting their pay checks;

    can you imagine if the put half the effort the put into defending 42 into defending PBO and the policies he was pursuing to help improve the lives of their constituents?

    they were too silent when PBO & FLOTUS where being attacked.

    think about it, PBO & FLOTUS were mainly being attacked based on racial hatred (which racial injustice had been a great motivator for many members of the CBC to get involved in politics);

    … but the elected representatives of the people facing racial hatred just put their heads down and jumped on tv only if there was a chance for them to criticize PBO and FLOTUS;

    can you imagine if the CBC had stood up and shamed both the conservative dems & gop about their obstruction on ObamaCare and Medicaid Expansion?

    can you imagine if the CBC had come out as a group ….. as they did to defend BC on monica …. can never forget that sight as they:

    – said that they know discrimination when they see it and that attacks on BC were just because of discrimination (not on the young intern but on BC);

    – proposed that “BC the man is different from BC the president …. really … then the media and Dems picked this up and this is what was used to defend what had happened;

    May be a number of the CBC are just “tired” and need to be replaced by a younger and more constituent-focused group of leaders ;

    • 38 globalcitizenlinda
      January 17, 2016 at 5:39 pm

      additionally, many in the CBC have given way the power of their people by endorsing candidates without making any demands in terms of policies that would benefit their constituents.

    • January 17, 2016 at 7:20 pm

      they were too silent when PBO & FLOTUS where being attacked.

      think about it, PBO & FLOTUS were mainly being attacked based on racial hatred (which racial injustice had been a great motivator for many members of the CBC to get involved in politics);

      … but the elected representatives of the people facing racial hatred just put their heads down and jumped on tv only if there was a chance for them to criticize PBO and FLOTUS;

      can you imagine if the CBC had stood up and shamed both the conservative dems & gop about their obstruction on ObamaCare and Medicaid Expansion?

      tell it.

      TELL IT.

      You are absolutely on point.

  13. 40 zekke Lydonna
    January 17, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    There were many people, included POTUS, who believed he did not deserve to receive the 2009 Nobel Peace Price.

    Some of their criticism involved the wars in Iraq and Iran, others claimed he had done nothing. Neither of these things were part of the committee’s decision to award the prize. The following is their statement:

    Barack Obama wins The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009

    The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

    Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

    Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world’s population.

    For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world’s leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama’s appeal that “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.”
    Oslo, October 9, 2009

    I don’t expect any apologies, but it sure would be nice.

  14. 43 SUEDUVALL SMITH
    January 17, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    GOOD EVENING EVERYONE…I MISSED THE ENTIRE DAY AND OF COURSE PBO’S IRAN ADDRESS…JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO…WHO IS THE ONE WHO STAYED BEHIND IN IRAN?..WAS THAT THE STUDENT?

  15. 44 JER
    January 17, 2016 at 5:36 pm

  16. January 17, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    Barack Obama has proven that his preference to spare military conflict is not merely a campaign promise. From armed conflict in Libya to disarming of Syria without firing a single American bullet, from laser focused special forces action to kill bin Laden to building Israel’s defensive iron dome, from conflict to climate change, this president has proven that America is the one indispensable nation not because we have the biggest guns, but because in a turbulent world growing closer by the minute, he remains the one leader who can bring together global powers for the resolution of big problems.

    • 47 SUEDUVALL SMITH
      January 17, 2016 at 5:50 pm

      MATTHEW 5………………..”BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED CHILDREN OF GOD.”…………YOU ARE NEVER ON THE WRONG PATH WHEN YOU GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!

      • 48 SUEDUVALL SMITH
        January 17, 2016 at 5:54 pm

        I DO NOT BELIEVE ON RELYING ON GUNS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS….GOD GAVE US A MOUTH FOR SPEAKING AND EARS FOR LISTENING….WE NEED TO USE THEM MORE OFTEN INSTEAD OF REACHING FOR THE TRIGGER. I AM EXTREMELY TIRED OF WARS AND HATEFUL PEOPLE.

  17. 49 idon
    January 17, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    Don, great great read.

  18. 50 desertflower
    January 17, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    Thank you, zizi…for highlighting Don’s piece. Great read.

  19. 51 desertflower
    January 17, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    In other words, slave labor. Do they see/hear themselves??

    • 52 desertflower
      January 17, 2016 at 6:05 pm

      I could make fire come out of your ears with the corruption that breeds like damn rabbits in this state! There are many, many people that foster children here just TO MAKE MONEY. There are so many children that need foster care…the agency here is a hot mess, as is the corrupt legislature and Governor….awful is an understatement. This yahoo was probably praised for “helping out the children” when all he as REALLY doing was helping himself to free taxpayer dollars and the free labor of the children that he promised to protect. I don’t have enough curse words in my vocabulary…

      • 53 99ts
        January 17, 2016 at 6:20 pm

        And they say it out loud – without fear of retribution – not to mention taking off and deserting the children. Truly astounding df – but the sure hate that government that pays them each and every day – so they can loaf around on government property.

        • 54 desertflower
          January 17, 2016 at 6:23 pm

          It makes me shake I get so aggravated! AND, considering that AZ is one of those TAKER STATES…taking more from the Feds than they pay in….and then they all pretend that they are all so anti-govt…makes me nuts.

  20. 58 99ts
    January 17, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    Such an interesting piece Don. I find it interesting that the RW media were pro Bill Clinton for the first 6 years of the Obama Presidency – now suddenly they have decided to drag up everything they attacked him for in the 1990s. Funny that – I wonder why the media no longer loves him.

    • January 17, 2016 at 7:27 pm

      i don’t think they loved him…they just liked it when Clinton attacked the President…

      • 60 99ts
        January 17, 2016 at 7:31 pm

        I agree PF – but they sure acted like he was their bff – I keep repeating myself – but the media is way worse than the GOP in their attacks on PBO. They NEVER blame congress for the gridlock and for stopping PBO policies whenever it gets the chance. 7 years – no jobs bill – and this is the President’s fault according to the media. Pfffffffffft

  21. 62 desertflower
    January 17, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    Rubio bought a gun for Christmas to protect his family from ISIS? Wow. He can’t handle a water bottle without making a mess…a gun you say? Not good.

  22. January 17, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    • 66 nathkatun7
      January 17, 2016 at 8:21 pm

      There are 14 volumes – an hour each -of the “Eyes on the Prize” documentary and I purchased all of them. They are also available on YouTube, but I am glad they ar going to be re-aired on TV. They are absolutely a must see!

  23. January 17, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    hahahahaha…i wonder if there is a spray with lemon scent

  24. 71 Dudette
    January 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm

  25. January 17, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    I wonder where the President is taking FLOTUS for her birthday

  26. 74 99ts
    January 17, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    Seems our man in DC is impressed that PBO is looking after our PM🙂
    At least the current guy believes in Climate Change. He is however a RW millionaire and wants to save money by hitting on those who can afford it least – maybe PBO can set him right

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-18/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-visits-us-president-barack-obama/7094450

    “Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull arrives in Washington tomorrow to visit Barack Obama, who insiders say is devoting time and accommodation not always bestowed on international guests.”

    Got to laugh – every country thinks it is special – but I’m pleased PBO gets to meet a big improvement on Abbott.

  27. January 17, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    Earlier today I commented that I didn’t think I’d have it in me to offer heartfelt advice, ever again, to either Clinton.

    Then Don penned this gem.

    So, I just had to do it ….

    Thank you Don

    #TrustBarack … and LOVE HIM …. best 2 things the Clintons could ever do, politically or personally ….

    #Hope4ALL

  28. 76 forus50
    January 17, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      • 80 forus50
        January 17, 2016 at 8:02 pm

        i love it!

      • 81 Dudette
        January 17, 2016 at 8:19 pm

        Gurrrl! I THANK You! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

      • 82 nathkatun7
        January 17, 2016 at 8:39 pm

        Absolutely wonderful! As my brother Yardarm would say, I couldn’t help the waterworks! It’s so touching, and gratifying, to see and listen to young people who know how the system works and all the games being prayed. The “blackademics,” like Cornel West, Eddie Glaude Jr., Michael Eric Dyson, and others, need to listen to these young people who are wise beyond their years.

    • 83 SUEDUVALL SMITH
      January 17, 2016 at 8:00 pm

      THAT’S IT…POWER FORWARD ….PRESS ON………….AND IF YOU DON’T MEET TILL AFTER HE’S GONE…REMEMBER HE’S GOT THE OBAMA FOUNDATION GOIN’ ON!…JUST SAYIN’!!!!

    • 84 Vicki
      January 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm

      Thank you, Mellisia. This is mindblowing. The young talented man says everything that really matters. I’ll be crying along with him when this year ends.

  29. 85 SUEDUVALL SMITH
    January 17, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    EXCELLENT WORK DON…MY FIRST CONTACT WITH THEN SENATOR OBAMA WAS BACK IN 2007……………..AND I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECTS OF AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FINALLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. ‘THIS IS THE TIME’ I KEPT TELLING MYSELF. I WORKED LONG HOURS AND MANY DAYS TO PUT HIM IN THAT WHITEHOUSE AND I’LL BE HONEST…I NEVER, EVER EXPECTED THE CRAP HE HAS TO THIS DATE RECEIVED. I LOVE THIS PRESIDENT AND I LOOK AT HIM AS AN EXAMPLE FOR SO MANY WHO ARE AFRAID TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX REGARDING THEIR FUTURES. HE HAS BEEN A PERFECT PRESIDENT AND ABOVE ALL I AM ASHAMED OF MY COUNTRY FOR THE WAY HE HAS BEEN TREATED. IN THOSE EARLY DAYS I WILL TELL YOU THAT MANY VOTERS WERE SO EXCITED BECAUSE THIS NEW YOUNG SENATOR REMINDED THEM OF JOHN KENNEDY. MANY PEOPLE TODAY STILL ARE NOT OVER THAT LOSS!

  30. 86 forus50
    January 17, 2016 at 7:58 pm

  31. 89 Dudette
    January 17, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    • 90 SUEDUVALL SMITH
      January 17, 2016 at 8:12 pm

      REALLY PRECIOUS…I AM SURE THEY SAW THEM..I DON’T THINK THEY MISS MUCH…THEY APPRECIATE CONTACT THAT TAKES THEM OUT OF THE BUBBLE. I DON’T KNOW WHERE TIME HAS GONE…I’M AMAZED!

  32. 91 JER
    January 17, 2016 at 8:08 pm

  33. 94 JER
    January 17, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    • 95 SUEDUVALL SMITH
      January 17, 2016 at 8:15 pm

      TWICE MY DEAR…HE EARNED ONE JUST ACCEPTING A JOB THAT LEFT HIM CONSTANTLY TAUNTED AND HARRASSED BY WICKED AND ENVIOUS NAYSAYERS….AND HE HAD THE GRACE AND INTEGRITY TO RISE ABOVE ALL OF THEM!

  34. January 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

  35. January 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    Evening folks.

    Busy day, but had to pop in to wish our Beloved FLOTUS a very Happy Birthday!

    I’m feeling much better, have received positive news, but still awaiting results of another test. Thank you to everyone for your healing thoughts and prayers.

  36. 100 SUEDUVALL SMITH
    January 17, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    OFF TO WATCH A MOVIE…TOMORROW IS 20 BELOW HERE…BELOW A DARNED TO BE WINDSHIELD GLACIER AND A POLAR BEAR’S BEHIND..IT’S GONNA’ BE COLD..I’M HIDIN’ UNDER THE BED! HAVE A BLESSED NIGHT EVERYONE!

  37. January 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    9:0 ET: Democratic Debate in Charleston, South Carolina

    Live streaming has started

    • 102 susanne
      January 17, 2016 at 8:32 pm

      Thanks Chips! Too bad we can’t just watch it without all the commentary– first face I saw was upchuck. Ugh.

  38. January 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm

  39. 104 amk for obama
    January 17, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    Gandhi: I like your christ, it’s your fucking christians I fucking hate.

  40. 105 amk for obama
    January 17, 2016 at 8:26 pm

  41. 106 JER
    January 17, 2016 at 8:27 pm

  42. 107 No Child Left Behind
    January 17, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    Good Evening TODVille.

  43. 108 amk for obama
    January 17, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    The richest 1% now has as much wealth as the rest of the world combined, according to Oxfam.

    It uses data from Credit Suisse from October for the report, which urges leaders meeting in Davos this week to take action on inequality.

    Oxfam also calculated that the richest 62 people in the world had as much wealth as the poorest half of the global population.

    It criticised the work of lobbyists and the amount of money kept in tax havens.

    Oxfam predicted that the 1% would overtake the rest of the world this time last year.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35339475

  44. 109 No Child Left Behind
    January 17, 2016 at 8:31 pm

  45. 110 Dudette
    January 17, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    So 9pm TV:
    — New Downton Abbey episode
    — Serena playing in the Australian Open
    – or some political debate thingy

    Decisions, decisions! 😀

  46. January 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    Huge thanks to Zizi for posting Don’s really interesting comments.

    What I’ve always wondered is if it’s possible to separate Bill and Hillary when it comes, particularly, to the nasty stuff that went on the 2008 campaign? I lost every ounce of respect I ever had for Bill back then, but Is it unfair to Hillary to hold her responsible for the things he said? Was he just a bitter loose cannon who saw this upstart threatening his wife’s WH prospects and let his bitterness drip all over the campaign, or did you sense back then that he was speaking with Hillary’s approval? I’ve just never been sure about that, and Hillary’s subsequent working relationship with PBO made me feel that she didn’t share that bitterness or nastiness.

    • January 17, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      The thing is, she just stood by him during that time. She didn’t speak up and correct the damage the way a true leader does. She was going for those white votes. So my feeling is she was complicit.

      I do happen to feel she was very bitter and angry when he won. But she did work to get over it. Whether or not she did so out of the goodness of her heart or simply because she knew it would further her career and ambitions and therefore serve HER well, is up for debate. My own feeling is that she is a political animal first and foremost and while there may in fact be a strong friendship or whatever now, the impulse to smooth things over was initially out of self-interest and survival.

      • January 17, 2016 at 9:33 pm

        Ah Meta, you summed up my worst fears. I so loathe Sanders I’ve been digging deep to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt, but you’re 100% correct, “she didn’t speak up and correct the damage the way a true leader does”. All that eases my worry on this is PBO’s embracing of her as a member of his admin, which could just confirm he is an extraordinarily forgiving man.

        • January 17, 2016 at 9:58 pm

          Chips, I totally understand your impulse to give her the benefit of the doubt. I just spent the weekend up in the mountains with 5 seasoned political operatives from all the camps trying to hammer out a narrative where we can all make it possible to buy into the eventual outcome. It was tough but instructive. Let me be clear: there is NO WAY anyone wants a Repub in the WH. But people are having a tough time accepting that these are our prescribed choices after the genius, brilliance and human connection of PBO. There is loyalty to Dem values but it’s in many ways lacking in real juice.

          PBO is honestly superhuman when it comes to not holding a grudge or dissing others even in the face of unhealthy and destructive obstruction. I know HRC’s ambitions are grand but at this moment, she seems to be asking for votes based on her being a kind of mechanic. We just have to hope that what she wants to do on maintenance w/r/t PBO’s legacy and what he has so brilliantly achieved are compatible in a way that represents real progress.

  47. 118 amk for obama
    January 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    only sometimes? dems suck at messaging.

    • 119 nathkatun7
      January 17, 2016 at 8:55 pm

      Yes they do, AMK! I think it has to do with their trying to appease the Corporate -so called mainstream – media.

    • 120 forus50
      January 17, 2016 at 9:05 pm

      I’m not a fan of DB. Very nice (too nice for politics?) and thought she was in over her head in charge of the Gore campaign.

      • 121 amk for obama
        January 17, 2016 at 9:07 pm

        Here Donna.

        The GOP candidates want to convince you that the world is falling apart. Have they looked at their own party lately?

        ///

        The GOP candidates want to convince you that the world is falling apart. Just because gop is doesn’t mean the world is.

  48. 123 amk for obama
    January 17, 2016 at 8:44 pm

  49. January 17, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    What Moyers and Kinship failed to mention under the guise of “telling the truth,” is that Sen. Bernie Sanders voted for the Affordable Care Act. You know why he did? Because after proposing a bill for single payer, he could see the writing on the wall. It didn’t have even close to the number of votes needed to be a real alternative. Rather than buckling to the insurance companies, President Obama and Democrats (including Bernie Sanders) passed the best possible health care reform that was available to them. Short of doing that, all of those millions who are currently covered would still be without insurance, health care costs would have continued to soar, and people would still be denied insurance due to a pre-existing condition. In other words, many Americans would be less healthy…and some would have died.


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