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On revolutionary fantasies

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Noted Bernie Sanders supporter Susan Sarandon had this to say about the prospect of a Donald J. Trump presidency:

Let me tell you a bit about revolution.

As anyone who reads my profile on Twitter knows, I’m a son of Cuban emigres.

Both my mother and father were sick of the Batista dictatorship. My mother was sanguine about the possibility of a Castro takeover. My father was a bit more perspicacious.

The Revolution happened, and within a couple of years my lower middle class father had his barber shop expropriated by the Communists. Private enterprise was an enemy of the people.

My family escaped Cuba, but I have no doubt that the stress brought about by the loss of of his livelihood and fleeing to a new land led to his ill health later in his life.

I have pictures of my dad when he lived in Cuba. He was a big, strapping man, full of life and vigor. Within a year of arriving in New York City, he suffered a heart attack and stroke. I never knew the man in those pictures.

People like Ms. Sarandon who speak cavalierly about “revolution” are the same type of people on the Right who speak about sending troops to every brush fire war across the globe. They have no knowledge on what they’re speaking about, but they think their fantasies accord them a special insight.

Revolutions are brutish, violent things. Revolutions are more often like Petrograd 1918 than Berlin 1989. Unless you have no other choice, they’re not things to be wished for.

The likes of Ms. Sarandon think that we’re like Paris in 1789, pushed to the brink, ready for revolt.

We’re not. We’re the richest country in the world. Aside from the screeching on the fringes, most people are content with their lives. And the idea that a country which can’t muster above a 40% turnout in off-year elections would be ready to take to the streets to overthrow a Trump presidency is laughable in the extreme.

If those of us on the left were more concerned with voting in every election rather than engaging in revolutionary fantasies, we wouldn’t be in the current parlous state. People like Ms. Sarandon prattle on about revolution; it won’t be their bodies on the front line.

Voting for Donald J. Trump, or not voting out of pique, will not engender the Revolution. It will merely be a replay of Ms. Sarandon’s most famous movie, where she drives a car off the cliff. It’s a fantasy, from which she won’t suffer consequences. The rest of us will rue our lot.


63 Responses to “On revolutionary fantasies”


  1. 1 vcprezofan2
    March 29, 2016 at 12:34 pm

  2. March 29, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    GA, TOD! ….end of last thread:

    This guy is a moron

    If we are dreaming up hypotheticals….

    Here is a factual side-by-side from ’08

    • 3 vcprezofan2
      March 29, 2016 at 1:15 pm

      Morning, LPlains, what’s cooking? Hope your Tuesday is off to as warm a start as mine.

      Also too….. prolly we shouldn’t give too much space to the known morons.

      • March 29, 2016 at 2:26 pm

        Howdy, VC ….today is warmer (though it has been raining last few days) but I have a ant problem now & waiting for the exterminator to show up before I head to class for the day….ok, gotta run!

  3. 5 MightyPamela
    March 29, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    Yes

  4. March 29, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    Shoot me now! Gergen & this fool…..smh

    • 7 99ts
      March 29, 2016 at 6:08 pm

      This has been happening for the past 8 years & no doubt the 8 before that. Has someone in the media just noticed?

  5. March 29, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    Excellent piece LL, she’s a contemptible turd, as you said: “it won’t be [her] body on the front line”. Thank you Mister, HUGELY appreciated.

    • 9 0388jojothecat
      March 29, 2016 at 12:54 pm

      Yes Chips, thank you LL for your excellent post. SS wish for a Il Douche presidency to usher in a revoluntion is like the teabaggers wishing for a Turd Cruz presidency to usher in the apocalypse and end times.

  6. 10 vcprezofan2
    March 29, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    Good (Tues)day, everyone! Life’s good, or working on being good. 🙂

    Quite a contrast in weather today from yesterday for me – sun’s shining brightly and not an inkling of water in the sky, not to mention the ice-covered lawns and streets in my neighbourhood are a thing of the past (hopefully for the rest of the Spring).

  7. March 29, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    This toon:

  8. 12 Ladyhawke
    March 29, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    • 13 0388jojothecat
      March 29, 2016 at 12:59 pm

      When minorities were addicted to crack the governments response was jail and long prison sentences, zero tolerence. When whites are dying from illegal or legal drug use the government response is government paid treatment.

  9. 17 andogriff
    March 29, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    Thanks for yet another excellent read, LL. I believe you speak for all of us! Hello to Ms Chips & everyone, congrats on first to VC! ❤️😘👍

  10. March 29, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    Excellent, LL. The privileged white lefties in this country don’t know WTF they’re talking about when they speak of revolution. The nihilist suicidal driving off a cliff is a great metaphor.

  11. 21 amk for obama
    March 29, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    she was a naderite too? / smh

  12. 22 carla4obama
    March 29, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    LL Welcome back…I have missed reading your words!

  13. 23 vcprezofan2
    March 29, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    Thanks for sharing your ‘front row’ response so clearly & simply, Lib-L. It’s always so easy for those rich people who have the media’s ear and who won”t actually feel the pinch to advocate all kinds of idiosyncrasies – boots on the ground war is a good example. I suspect your message won’t reach as ‘high’ as it should, but I’ll try nonetheless.

    • 24 GGail
      March 29, 2016 at 1:02 pm

      Well done LL! Excellent truth. And a yuuuuge kudos to VC for sending the message out into the twitterland.

      • 25 vcprezofan2
        March 29, 2016 at 1:11 pm

        Morning, west coaster! 🙂

        I’m often ‘frustrated’ by how simplistic /mean/ ignorant/ etc. etc. messages or viewpoints get tons of retweets on twitter, while sane voices rarely do. Of course, there’s the celebrity factor, but it’s still a shame IMO. :/

        • 26 GGail
          March 29, 2016 at 1:28 pm

          Morning my international sister 🙂
          Well, thank you for doing your part!

          And I’m happy to read that you have sunshine in your neck of the world. ❤

          • 27 vcprezofan2
            March 29, 2016 at 1:30 pm

            /head lowered modestly/ Oh, we have sunshine often
            .
            .
            .
            .
            when we’re not having snow, sleet or rain. 😉

    • March 29, 2016 at 2:06 pm

      I’ve had it up to here with these Bernie nuts talking about some revolution. They sound just as wacko as those Trump racists supporters.

  14. 29 amk for obama
    March 29, 2016 at 12:59 pm

  15. March 29, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    If you saw my tweets on President Obama refusing to meet Erdogan this week….here is another reason why PBO is ahead of the curve:

    https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/714858160964648960

    • 31 0388jojothecat
      March 29, 2016 at 1:07 pm

      He and IL Douche are cut from same cloth two of a kind.

    • 32 vcprezofan2
      March 29, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      Another ‘leader’ who thinks his leadership role should make him untouchable. Thank God for Pres O ascendancy which has thrown light, plus his words, on this belief.

  16. 33 amk for obama
    March 29, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    • 34 vcprezofan2
      March 29, 2016 at 1:25 pm

      If Trump know little (nothing) about FP how is he going to know when his ‘good people’ are leading him astray?

  17. 36 arapaho415
    March 29, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    GM TODville.

    I missed PBO’s speech yesterday at the Robin Toner event but did read last night’s threads.

    Unsurprisingly, the only thing the MSM managed to walk away with is whining and to express solidarity today with a Breitbart “reporter” — apparently the only thing they think is appalling about the possibility of Trump as POTUS.

    Meta posted this on the previous thread:

    Here’s a snapshot of Trump “supporters:”

  18. 39 Ladyhawke
    March 29, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/29/seven-years-late-media-elites-finally-acknowled/209590

    “The radicalization of the Republican party” — talk about the topic the Beltway press simply doesn’t want to dwell on, let alone acknowledge. Instead, the press has clung to its preferred narrative about how the GOP is filled with honest brokers who are waiting to work in good faith with the White House. Eager to maintain a political symmetry in which both sides are responsible for sparking conflict (i.e. center-right Democrats vs. center-left Democrats), the press effectively gave Republicans a pass and pretended their radical, obstructionist ways represented normal partisan pursuits. (They didn’t.)

    Today’s Republican Party is acting in a way that defies all historic norms. We saw it with the GOP’s gun law obstruction, the Violence Against Women Act obstruction, the sequester obstruction, Supreme Court obstruction, minimum wage obstruction, 9/11 first responder obstruction, government shutdown obstruction, immigration reform obstruction, Chuck Hagel’s confirmation obstruction, Susan Rice secretary of state obstruction, paid leave obstruction, Hurricane Sandy emergency relief obstruction, the Clay Hunt Suicide Prevention for American Veterans Act obstruction, and the consistent obstruction of judicial nominees.

    • March 29, 2016 at 1:58 pm

      They helped created it.
      Coddle it.
      Humor it.

      Poo-pooed those of us who pointed it out.

      Phuck all of them…they created it, and the only reason that they are pointing it out is because it’s too damn obvious. They were quite content to hide behind the bullshyt all these years.

      Once again, I’ll point out that THIS is the reason they’re mad with Trump. Because he took away their camoflage an plausible deniability.

      • March 29, 2016 at 2:34 pm

        THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

        i think that the GOP is also worried because Trump owes he allegiance to no one…he is indeed the Pied Piper….leading the GOP off the cliff!

  19. 42 JER
    March 29, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    President Obama arrives Atlanta. Click here ► ► http://www.wsbtv.com/live-stream

  20. March 29, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    A crusade to defeat the legacy of highways rammed through poor neighborhoods

    By Ashley Halsey III March 29 at 12:01 AM
    As a child, Anthony Foxx knew he couldn’t ride his bike far from home without being blocked by a freeway. By the time he became U.S. transportation secretary he understood why.

    “We now know — overwhelmingly — that our urban freeways were almost always routed through low-income and minority neighborhoods, creating disconnections from opportunity that exist to this day,” Foxx said.

    When the expressways that walled off his Charlotte neighborhood were designed, black residents of North Carolina still were denied voting rights. That highways routinely were routed through poor neighborhoods — Robert Moses, a polarizing urban planner of the era, called them “blighted” — is well known to those who suffered the consequences.

  21. March 29, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    GOP Rips Hillary Clinton for Politicizing Hyperpolitical SCOTUS Fight
    By Claire Landsbaum

    Hillary Clinton isn’t the first to speak out against Senate Republicans’ unprecedented refusal to confirm — or, in many cases, to even meet with — President Obama’s Supreme Court nominee. In a speech at the University of Wisconsin on Monday, Clinton echoed the sentiments of many Democratic lawmakers when she called on Senator Chuck Grassley, the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, to “step up and do his job” and hold a hearing for Merrick Garland, whom Obama nominated in March. In response, Republicans criticized her for politicizing the already-political nomination process.

    In her speech, Clinton used Grassley’s own words against him: “He says we should wait for a new president because, and I quote, ‘The American people shouldn’t be denied a voice.’ “Well, as one of the more than 65 million Americans who voted to re-elect Barack Obama, I’d say my voice is being ignored.”

  22. March 29, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    UH HUH

    UH HUH

    This Little-Discussed Organizational Issue Could Create Total Chaos at the Republican Convention
    By Ed Kilgore

    In early June, several hundred paid professionals and a supporting army of volunteers will slowly begin to assemble near the banks of the Cuyahoga River in Ohio, with the quadrennial mission of planning and executing a Republican National Convention, scheduled for July 18 to 21, at Quicken Loans Arena, in Cleveland. The event is convened by the RNC, but the ostensible managers actually play a subordinate role. Over the past four decades, their job has been only to build an apparatus for the conclave — a solid but mindless machine — and then turn it over to the “putative nominee” along with a long list of decisions that must be made to bring the event to life and then to fruition.

    In a normal election year, the RNC’s Committee on Arrangements gives the assumed general-election candidate and his staff a schedule of speakers with no names; the skeleton of a platform with few planks; some ideas for framing acceptance speeches with no actual speeches; and a process for total control of every word placed on a teleprompter, and for making sure nothing else gets said in the hall, but missing the vetters and enforcers who will crack the supplied whip.

    But this time around — if, say, neither Donald Trump nor (less likely) Ted Cruz manages to rack up 1,237 delegates — there may be no one to whom the keys to this turnkey operation can be handed. If there is a contested convention with any doubt about the identity of the nominee, a planning process that depends entirely on the arrival of a candidate-captain at least a couple of weeks before the first gavel drops will instead be rudderless. That in turn could immensely complicate the process of naming a nominee, and at the same time turn the convention from the highly choreographed infomercial we’ve seen in both parties for decades into a disorganized mess that undermines the show of unity these events are intended to produce.

  23. March 29, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    Thanks LL.

    I feel you.

    Those screeching loudest about revolution never are the ‘collateral damage’.

  24. 49 hopefruit2
    March 29, 2016 at 1:55 pm

  25. March 29, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    The rage of Trump fans isn’t new. I’ve dealt with it for years.

    As a Chicago Tribune columnist, I saw how angry white people became when the racial order was threatened.
    By Dawn M. Turner March 29 at 11:27 AM

    During the past six months, I’ve watched media outlets work themselves into a tizzy over the violence and hatred orchestrated by Donald Trump supporters. Commentators act like this is a relatively new phenomenon. But I know firsthand how any challenge to the nation’s established racial order makes some white folks lose their minds and their decorum.

    For more than a decade, I wrote a column in the Chicago Tribune that often focused on race. Before Trump gave his supporters license to give in to their lesser selves and convey their hatred in mixed company, they did so in my email box. They are part of a disaffected angry knot of Americans who feel as though they’ve been bruised by diversity.

    My experience isn’t unique. Any writer who has dared train a lens on race, women’s issues, social justice issues, immigration, abortion, sexuality, you name it, has faced some of the most vile backlash around.

  26. 52 JER
    March 29, 2016 at 2:01 pm

  27. March 29, 2016 at 2:05 pm

    Love this LL! Absolutely brilliant!

  28. March 29, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    hat tip-POU

    Argentina Gifts President Obama Complete, Restored Copy of 1951 ‘Native Son’ Film Adaptation
    By Sergio | Shadow and Act
    March 29, 2016 at 1:16PM

    Richard Wright’s seminal novel “Native Son,” first published in 1940, is one of the most important books ever written about racism and the black experience in America. That can’t be argued. However, it has had the sad misfortune of also being extremely unlucky at the movies.
    …………………………………

    But the earlier 1951 film version, directed by French filmmaker Pierre Chenal, is the one that really needs to be seen to be believed.

    Though the novel is set in Chicago, and obviously well aware that it would be impossible to shoot the film there (with the exception of some travelogue footage that opens the film), as well as to raise the money to make it, the film was completely shot in and around Buenos Aires, Argentina.

  29. 56 MadameSoph
    March 29, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    LL,

    Welcome back and thank you for this post!

    As I spoke about in a previous comment, I have a friend whose parents fled Castro’s Cuba and have a story very similar to that of your parents.

    Back when they lived in Cuba, my friend’s parents, like yours, despised Batista and were originally supporters of change that Castro promised. After Batista was toppled and the revolution took over, they began to realize that what he promised and what was happening afterwards were very different.

    Her dad had a little neighborhood grocery store – nothing fancy. One morning he went to open his store and the government had taken possession of it. Now, my friend’s dad was willing to cooperate for the good of the new government and the people, but they told him that he couldn’t even work at the store anymore! He was told he was just out of work. His wife was pregnant (with my friend) and so he went to visit his cousin in Mexico, hoping to work and earn enough money to bring his wife out so they could both make it to the US. While he was working to get her out, and even though she was pregnant with my friend at the time, Castro’s government forced her to work in the fields. She got out and they finally both made it here and were able to raise their daughter and live a nice life.

    She told me that every time they see something about Bernie Sanders on TV they get so upset that they yell “Communism!” at their television so loud that the neighbors can hear. They, like your parents and many other immigrants have had experience with unicorn promises of “revolution” turning into ugly realities.

    By the way, my friend told me she was very impressed by the President’s speech to the Cuban people.

  30. March 29, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    LOL

    Published on Mar 22, 2016

    Larry talks to some of Donald Trump’s African-American supporters in an effort to answer the pressing question, “What the f**k are you thinking?”

  31. March 29, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    I actually saw Sarandon yesterday on All In, and I was blown away by what she said. She’s full-blown delusional.

    Jumping subjects….

  32. March 29, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    Heartfelt and powerful, LL, as only something lived and known in the heart can be. Too many of us out here in the Progress-o-sphere (not you) keep thinking this whole Trumpsh*t is just funny, and “it couldn’t possibly…,” et cetera. Well, dammit, IT COULD! And it’s not funny.

    Thanks for having the cojoñes to tell it like it is. Well done; I’m grateful.

  33. 61 jacquelineoboomer
    March 29, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    THIS is what we missed, LL – not to mention your jokes and wild schemes and library chatter and music and stuff. Thanks so much for sharing it. Glad to see you.

  34. March 29, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    I have never understood the Trup-is-funny or even The=GOP=imploding is funny. too many serious consequences.

  35. 63 sjterrid
    March 29, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    Thank you, LL for sharing what living through a real revolution is and how it affected your family. Sarandon and people like her, who sit in their ivory tower, could care less about the people that will be affected.


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