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Morning japa21
2nd!
Chips, you are doing great in photoshop! Morning everyone!
I mean the attack ads against Romney write themselves with these debates
Mitt Romney: It Pains Me To Fire You (VIDEO) http://huff.to/AnrUAo via @huffingtonpost
I’m sure it pains him.
Good Morning Everyone!
Morning Dudette
Hahahahahahaha! Nice.
If last night represents intelligent discourse in the Republican world, then this picture could have had all 6 of them together and the pose would be the same. Now, whoever the Republican nominee is will get 40-45% of the vote at a minimum. And, when you think about it, that is a pretty sad statement about the state of this country.
Those were my exact figures two or three threads ago. Maybe I will drudge up that post. Sad state of affairs in the Rethug party and the people that will vote for Romney.
Sad state of affairs that continues the same from the years Republicans voted for Geo. W. Bush, who acted criminally, totally embarrassed us around the world and almost irreparably divided our country.
#PRESSON
Exactly jacqueline.
Good Morning Everyone. ! I just want to put this out there because I am a Book TV addict…..This was on last night and I have to say that it could have been filmed today…as it is EXACTLY what we are going through right now……
Political science professors Paul Brace and Barbara Hinckley sat down in 1992 to discuss the effect of opinion polling on the Oval Office. In “Follow the Leader,” the co-authors chronicle the influence of polling on presidential administrations from Harry Truman to George H.W. Bush.
http://www.booktv.org/Program/6742/Encore+Booknotes+Paul+Brace+Barbara+Hinckley+quotFollow+the+Leader+Opinion+Polls+and+the+Modern+Presidentsquot.aspx
Morning Linda
Good Morning…
If Michael Steel can recognize the vapidity of the front runners….something is wrong.
They have another debate at 9 on NBC…but I won’t waste my Sunday morning.
It’s on MSNBC - hosted by David Gregory
Take some time if you haven’t already (about 40 minutes) to watch this terrific interview of Barney Frank on the Charlie Rose show
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12070
I’m so sad that he’s retiring, but happy that he’ll continue to be a strong, credible voice for for the Left, not only through his writings but other media as well. I hope Massachussets can find another Democrat to fill his seat who is worthy of his legacy.
I watched that yesterday…..Barney was Great….
I think I read that a Kennedy is putting out feelers for that seat.
Good morning TOD family. I made my coffee and put on my walking shoes. I’m off to New Hampshire and I’m super excited about canvassing today. I made a nice supply of Tien Le’s talking points to take with me - very helpful. We have bright sunshine and comfortable temperature this morning and it should be a great day. I’ll catch up with all the latest when I get home tonight, “Live free or die” New Hampshire - I’m on my way,
Morning hgerhard
HAve a great day….tell us what happened when you get home:)
whoa good job hgerhard! hope it’s going well for you!
Good luck, hgerhard…go get ‘em. Glad I could help.
Good luck!
Another debate on now msnbc!
Yep - hosted by our “favorite journalist” David Gregory.
David Gregory moderating? The entire msm has been FOXed
Morning TOD crew!
So I’ve been sampling assessments of yesterday’s debate and the broad consensus seems to be that the non-Mitt Romney’s threw purposely threw the debate.
It amazes me that these cutthroats are so loyal to the GOP that they’d throw a fight for Mitt to win but I can’t explain why none of them really went after him. Either they really want to be vice-President or the powers-that-be in the GOP have very thick incriminating files on all of them.
My expectations are really low for today’s debate on Meet the Press, largely because of yesterday’s limp performance and because presumably it will be moderated by David Gregory, who is allergic to follow-up questions.
Morning FiredUpInCA
Morning NZ4Obama!
THIS! Morning FiredUpIn CA
It looks like they all resigned themselves to the fact that Mitt was it. If that WAS fighting, I REALLY don’t want any one of them near the Oval office!
Good morning everyone.
FiredUp - I agree with you said the same thing last night. The know Mitt is the nominee so they didn’t want to bloody him up.
Good morning everyone,
Oh my, David Gregory…………
Morning ChristiMTL
Romney is LYING again. Keeps repeating that nonsense about his so-called job creation and NO ONE is challenging him on this. I can’t wait to see this guy’s arse get creamed in the presidential debates with President Obama.
Yup, can’t wait for the general campaign — facts will prevail!
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz said on CSPAN this morning that he flat out lied about his job creation spill. She really took it to him and was excellent in combatting the wingnuts who called in to the show.
She is excellent!
Their going after Romney! Well well well!
Romney is a pathological liar and he can’t say one sentence without attacking President Obama…….
He is on major defense! First time all campaign and he is getting rattled!
Cool. Keep it coming.
Oh snap! Romney’s got that look in his eyes.
Gregory is moderating to attack Romney. I love it!
Those who want to watch those clowns, let me say enjoy yourself. I didn’t watch them last night and I won’t today. But I will come here and read what you guys thought of the GOP Circus.
I fell asleep last night with the TV on. Are these clowns still debating? What did I miss?
Morning all
Morning cookemom
Hiya, what a way to start the day. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz on CSPAN, now this. It’s like thanks to both of them for their support of PBO’s re-election.
I absolutely enjoy listing to Debbie Wasserman-Schultz — she is so strong and always right on point! So glad she has the DNC leadership position…
Nice going Huntsman, right up until the Ryan Plan.
Agreed; I was glad to see him stand up for his time serving the US as ambassador to China and express directly the issue with divineness. Disappointed with his statement on the Ryan plan, but guess that is why I am not a Republican….
Huntsman is not a good debater. At times he looks as though he wants to cry; at other times he looks anemic and sounds like he’s fighting a bad cold. Some of his ideas are too similar to PBO’s and others are just way out there. All in all, not a good package.
You know what, you are right! That happened twice last night and I cant figure out why he was getting all ‘teary’ about. Wimp!! How do you say that in Mandarin.
I decided to watch based on your comments—David must have had his Wheaties. They should let Diane stay on “soft” news because she is just not a moderator.
Uh Oh Perry and numbers..they’re clapping LOL
Oh, yes, he can count to three — let’s make him President
We all have our favorite liberal/pro Obama sites, TOD being home for many of us. We’re busy, we’re stressed. But I’m trying to do something supportive to all the valiant blotters doing the lord’s work: I click on everything on the blogroll once a day. To bring up numbers and hits. To make tangible our interest and solidarity.
And gosh, I’m finding all kinds of useful info.
What a great idea!
You’re a wise one 57andFemale. Thank you for your support!
Great idea. I will do that too.
How kind 57 I appreciate your support. What a practical and useful suggestion.
Mitt is so cocky, I can tell by his body language. Mitt is trying to prove he is the ultra conservative, when he is not. There might be a brokered convention, GOP just doesn’t want him.
Romney is being criticized. Finally.
Unfortunately NO one will see these attacks this morning. Everyone is sleep or getting ready for Church or at Church. Our MEDIA is pathetic. Why do I have a feeling the debate stage and its moderators won’t be any better for the general? PBO will be on the only sain person on the set.
I guess the party who has claimed ‘Christian Values’ decided they could compete better with Church than football??? Hmmm; what kind of message is that?
ooops I mean the only sane person.
MTP is suppose to have 3 million viewers.
Actually, Gregory is asking questions about policy, not Obama!
Good for him. So far, this is a good debate, it’s exposing the republicans policies.
It’s different than last night debate, it was so pathetic…
Agreed. This is so much better than last night. Willard is looking very weak.
Did Gingrich just say that fraud is big in Medicare and Medicaid and that the federal government dropped the ball? Someone needs to tell “Big Tiffany” that President Obama has recovered hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud, and has made an unprecedented amount of arrest related to fraud in Medicare and Medicaid.
Yes, something the Republicans failed to do for their term in power…
That’s where these candidates will get creamed if ANY of them has to debate President Obama for the general. Right now, their “arguments” against him consist of made-up stories, lies, distortions, exaggerations, omissions, half-truths, and NO ONE calls them out on it.
Halperins take- romney A+!
Jovie, Halperin is a sick “dick”. Do we expect him to have any sense?
So because Perry can name 3 departments of the government, and still not answer the question, he gets to beam as if he aced his SATs?
1, 2, 3…. Yes, I passed the Republican test to be President…
That reminds me of the scene in the old musical, “Good News,” when the dumb lummox makes the football team because he can remember when Columbus sailed the blue. Hilarious.
A question about who knows more about taxes Grover Norquist or Buffet. Romney says NO taxes.
Oh yes, not sure how a ‘self proclaimed business person’ can possibly answer that question any way other than ‘Warren Buffet’ —- dodging again Romney
I think Gregory is asking good questions. Their policies suck!
It’s definitely better than yesterday’s.
Soooooo,. According to some poll conducted by Sunday Morning, the three most charistsmic presidents are Clinton, Kennedy, and Reagan. In the entire piece there was barely a mention of PBO. There was one line as part of the idea that no one is charismatic all of the time and when some so-called expert said that when the president lifts his chin to make a point in a speech, that he is looking down on everyone and that is why he is thought of as arrogant. WTF! Who are these people? Are they willfully blind to the love, admiration, and out-right adoration that people all over the world feel for him? He has inspired people who had never before cared about politics to become involved. His words and actions have helped to usher changes in the Arab world that seemed impossible. I could go on, but I’ll stop here; you all know how the polls and the so-called experts do not tell the real story of this president and the people who support him.
BTW the pie e also mentioned that charisma can be learned and that there are classes for it. You can bet that Mitt has tried this; however, if so, it has not worked. He was described as fake.
Who cares. Once PBO starts campaigning, everyone will see that he has done a whole lot.
ROFLMAO! Why should this poll be of any significance to anyone? ANYONE can push any poll to make any claim. And clearly, as you have just indicated, the face validity of the poll results is ZERO. So there!
Speaking of polls, last night after watching the debate I logged in to come here to see what was thought here. In the process I came to the Yahoo debate Fact Check article so read it. One of the Fact Check points was about Perry’s notion of Obama waging war on religion. Yahoo gave as its fact check answer that they polled 20,000 people and 58% did not aggree with Perry. Since when is polling people a fact check answer?
…I should have added unless it has to do with poll numbers.
Ceb, alot of B.S.
I voted and supported Bill Clinton. Nevertheless, If Clinton was so charismatic how he was never able to win the majority of the popular vote? Even Gore who lost the presidency, and despite the Nadar factor, was able to win the majority of the popular vote.
That should be “piece”.
So far my favorite part is when Romney attacked Hustman for working for President Obama, his reply was perfect….I enjoyed the clapping.
Aww, I missed that. What was Hunstman’s response?
Talk about two diametrically opposed candidates; let’s see Santorum attacking Ron Paul’s defense strategy…. Day one - Ron Paul pulls all troops back to US — Santorum wants to attack everyone, thus sending everyone overseas and starting a war in Iraq. Well I guess there is a diverse group on stage and I don’t agree with any of them….
It’s somewhere in the middle, both positions are extreme.
This President has it right.
Absolutely
Freaking good question from Gregory!
I agree Christi. So far, the best thing about this debate is that the questions are really good. The answers not so much.
CBS Sunday Morning is airing a segment about the role of charisma in politics—-very interesting. They were deep into the bit before they got to President Obama, which I couldn’t believe because I believe he is the most charismatic politician ever. Example 1A. And so they finally showed Obama with that big beaming smile with the crowd responding, but then the “charisma expert” said Obama had charisma during the campaign but lost a little of it as he got into the rigors of governing and that he makes the mistake of raising his chin when speaking and it makes him look like he’s speaking down and subtracts from his charisma. Now this is nitpicking, but I have noticed that too and I think it’s a reflexive defensive gesture, given his life experience, but it sure does not detract for me or for all the crowds at all the Obama events I’ve observed. I think of all the joyous looks on all the faces there, arms reaching out to President Obama, compared to the crowds at the Repub candidates’ events where grumpy looking people are sitting there with their arms folded. They talked about Romney too, saying he tries to have charisma, to be able to relate, to do the aw shucks bit, but it always looks fake, like he’s trying too hard, does not come naturally. They admitted that personality wins elections—-with 76% saying that charisma and personality are important in their voting choice, which I’ve always believed—-that in the end most people vote for the candidate they like the best, simple as that. President Obama has that magnetic personality, that gift, where you are immediately fascinated, cannot look away. Charisma Squared.
Yes, you can see it shine in any photo with children or the elderly — he beams compassion, caring and charisma! The campaign needs to show those photos over and over again—- they make even the hardest person smile
President Obama is the most charismatic politician ever………no comparison.
Oh my, raising his chin?…….They have nothing,.
President Clinton is also charismatic but Obama lights up a room when he gives a campaign speech.
But as Ceb indicated, PBO was not even in the top 3 according their slanted poll with ZERO face validity. Obama is head and shoulders in charisma above Reagan, Clinton, and yes even Kennedy. In addition to the charisma, he has the CHARACTER to match. In my opinion, this is just another thinly veiled media attempt to suggest to voters in 2012 that “Obama ain’t all that.” It’s BULLSHYTE.
Hopefruit, I agree with you 100%! And I am old enough to have known all these presidents. This nonsense must be coming from Karl Rove whose MO is to attack the opponents’ strengths. Chipsticks should send PBS videos of Obama’s receptions in Ireland, Australia, India, Brazil, U.K. etc.!
The mannerism is subconscious, but represents far reaching vision. Looking out at - and beyond the horizon. Contemplative. Reflective. Thoughtful. Visionary.
Imagine the exact oposite: The mawking infomercial hosts i.e. the remaggotian candidates.
Do these people (ever) get tired of Polls? Every darn day there is a poll for something, what’s next? The best dressing President, the best looking, the best dancer, the best athlete, the best best. Come on. The world is fill with so many problems they can’t fine anything better to do than that?
It’s an obsession with President Obama that manifests in this constant polling to drag his name in whatever issue of the day….
Very true. I’ve noticed that on topics that have nothing to do with the President someone will always drag him into the discussion. It’s a very unhealthy obsession. They use him like a crutch to get viewers, readers and ratings. It’s an indictment of their vacuity and lack of creativity.
Total agreement, hopefruit2.
THIS…THIS…THIS…!!!!
Kennedy, Reagan and Clinton? What were the ages of these folks? Only one Repub made the top three? That is surprising. But what do you expect from folks who still rank Bush Jr. as the second most admired man in the US.
I think it’s genetic. If you look at photos of his mother she carries herself the same way with that lifted chin. I hve noticed it before so it is nothing snobby at all,it’s just how they are put together.
Let me say upfront: Obama is the most charismatic president in my lifetime (I’m 61). But even if he weren’t I’d rather have less charisma and better policies. Much of the damage we now have to contend with was caused by Clinton: telecommunication bill, Nafta. The tax increase was the first and last effective policy he enacted. )
Hell yeah, he is…
I BELIEVE no one can “touch ‘im!”
And, I concur about this; those two and the Glass–Steagall Act, amongst others…
GOP controlled Congress (which consists of the House and the Senate), w/a Dem WH and a GOP WH, from 1994 until 2006!
As WE know, polls can be rigged!
YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together - WE MUST! (Bobfr @our4thestate)
WE CAN’T WAIT…PRESS ON!
The best thing to do is to erase these nonsense points from your memory as soon as you hear them. What happens is that subconsciously, the next time you see the President raise his chin, you’re going to register that as “arrogant”, despite what you know to be true. And the next time again, it will be reinforced. These ideas seep in, and the more we watch this nonsense, the more it seeps in.
These people know how to use repeated ideas psychologically to almost brainwash people into thinking what they want, and I’ve heard that negative ideas have more of an impact than positive ideas. You have to consciously tell yourself that they are attempting to influence you, and when you see President Obama’s chin go up, make a point of giving it another emotional meaning. When I see his chin go up, I’m going to imagine him pulling in strength to continue, almost like he’s drawing in the positive feedback as reinforcement of his idea which is making him stand taller. Send him good vibes whenever you see him lift his chin, because it will add to the good energy he’s drawing in. When you’re speaking publicly, they always tell you to stand with your legs slightly apart and your pelvis tilted slightly forward and shoulders back, because it helps you breathe better and keeps you calmer. I’m going to mentally add this chin tilt as another tip for speaking better because it lets more air flow through your throat - because we all know President Obama is a master at public speaking.
WORD!
YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together - WE MUST! (Bobfr @our4thestate)
WE CAN’T WAIT…PRESS ON!
Good Advice - we need to learn to ignore and move on (press on)
Thank you, theo67, points well made indeed, and Dave made an excellent point just a little above this one, so thank you Dave as well! I feel this so-called lifted chin, which is completely natural to PBO, is a mechanism which activates a part of the brain connected to intuition. Often we see still shots of PBO in contemplation, or prayer, and his chin is held perfectly in balance with his neck and shoulders, and the air around him is energized with inspiration, as if he is listening, absorbing and processing information all at the same time. Those photos are indicative of a man who is wholly contained within himself, with a capacity to allow his inspiration to pass beyond to others. This is a rare quality in humans, we should see it as evolution of human awareness.
Excellent advice! By the way, didn’t a speech professor in Australia suggest that Australian politicians need to study President Obama’s speaking style? I know I read this some place, but I can’t remember where.
Sounds like good advice for those Aussie pols! Some of them are pretty weak!
In a way charisma encompasses authenticity and compassion or relating to others. It is hard to fake and when it is not genuine it shows. I have never seen a President in my 65 years with as much charisma as our current president. I always had the feeling Bill Clinton would say or do anything for your approval. Kennedy did have charisma but his short life in office and less time on tv than now did not give you enough time to actually know for sure.
Well said, Obama Grandmama!
“Example 1A. And so they finally showed Obama with that big beaming smile with the crowd responding, but then the “charisma expert” said Obama had charisma during the campaign but lost a little of it as he got into the rigors of governing and that he makes the mistake of raising his chin when speaking and it makes him look like he’s speaking down and subtracts from his charisma.”
My question to the “charisma expert”: How does a charismatic person loose his charisma? All this business about the President raising his chin is absolute nonsense! So does this “charisma expert” contend that the President has changed his speaking style from the way he spoke during the campaign? My other question: What are the criteria for becoming a “charisma expert?”
May be it’s my lack of expertise, but I always thought that charisma in politics was all about inspiring people to believe your leadership as well as arousing genuine popular enthusiasm for your leadership. I never knew it had something to do with not raising your chin. I suppose Clinton’s wagging his finger and Reagan cocking his chin are all evidence of charisma. I wish people would come out and say exactly what the mean: they just can’t stand to see a smart, self confident and inspiring Black man, serving effectively as President of the United States. All this “nitpicking” is simply for the purpose of hiding their real motives.
“charisma expert”…. Pish posh! So many of these fools should pay PBO for the way they are making a living talking about him, a good living no doubt. Most of them are talking out of a hole in their heads! Ludicrous…
Huntsman says Ryan plan and Bowles Simpson.
Quite the liberal. Not!
Nope, he is about as conservative in policy as they get. Amazing he is not the Republican frontrunner — I respect him more than the others as an individual because he is willing to have an intelligent discussion and does understand international politics and culture. I also think he is most inclined to actually work ‘with’ people from different positions.
I am also glad as a Democrat that he is not the frontrunner because I think he could appeal to the independent voter more than the others.
I am also glad—he’s their best candidate, hands down. Also impressed with his wife who appeared very intelligent during an interview I saw. I also think his family is attractive as the media keeps trying to highlight, especially with his 2 adopted children. Repubs are dumb, ignoring their most appealing candidate. Well, appealing to normal people, not that far right crazy electorate the Repubs are fighting for now.
I originally thought Huntsman could be formidable, but as soon as he sponsored the Ryan plan, I knew he was no more formidable than the rest of the clown car. He has enough negatives that would stump him with the extreme right wing electorate: he’s Mormon, he has two “foreign” adopted daughters, he speaks Mandarin, he’s worked for President Obama - all of these would be positives or non-issues on the Democratic side, but they’re non-starters with the crazies on the right. Plus, he’s got his weaknesses that wouldn’t sell to the general electorate, such as his company’s dubious business dealings with Iran, his screeching support of Sarah Palin in 2008, his weak physical stamina. And, he’s apparently more conservative than Romney, so policy by policy, we would find out a lot of positions that are founded in the traditional failed policies of the GOP.
Personally, I think if the election can somehow be elevated to a straight-on policy discussion, then we’ll finally be able to get to a comparison election of the proper role of government. Much to the chagrin of the self-proclaimed progressive base, the PL, President Obama has stayed squarely in the middle of the political divide. Not being too radical, basing much of his legislation on things that have been supported in the past by the Republican party. I think that all these moves were to position him favourably for this election, and to point out the current extreme nature of the GOP. They won’t even support a health care bill that they proposed as an alternative to Clinton’s plan back in the 90′s. They won’t support cap & trade that they previously sponsored. They won’t support tax cuts to the middle class. They won’t support any immigration reform, yet one of their own - McCain - sponsored such a bill in the past. President Obama hasn’t been anti-war, he’s been smarter than the GOP with regards to war, at less cost and with less impact to human soldiers - plus, he’s got a whole slew of victories to tally (including endorsements and praise from the military commanders). It will be very interesting to see a straight policy debate, based on the fact that President Obama has stole all their policy positions for himself. Even if their “best” players were on the field - Jeb, Christie, Daniels, Thune - they would all be playing off the same playbook, and they’d have to defend the actions of the tea partiers in Congress, who were willing to make the US a deadbeat nation.
Huntsman keeps boasting of wanting a flat tax like he says he put in while in Utah as the governor. What I read about the flat tax is it is the most regressive tax being totally unfair to the people on the lower end of the pay scale.
Ain’t it ridiculous that just because he isn’t mired in the 12th century he’s considered moderate? Absurd
Huntsman is so passive-aggressive that it makes him seem whinny.
Perry is moron. To call him the male Sarah would be insulting Sarah.
Someone wake me up when Gregory ask Santorum about his black or “blah” comment.
Gregory finally earns his pay! These questions make them attack each other and tells everybody their policies will hurt middle class and poor!
Good Morning everyone!!
Chica, you are so bad!!! (Good!!) That photoshop could have every one of the Rethug candidates in the picture. Doesn’t matter, they are all losers!!!
As for the “debate” , ya’ll all have better stomachs that I. No way I can handle looking at and listening to Rethug mess on a Sunday morning. NO WAY
Great documentary on Gabby on WFOR (in Florida). Not sure who has what where!
Romney said all the federal Programs that help the poor should be sent back to the states.
He is very weak in this debate! And the moderators are great!
Hey Romney, states don’t have enoughn MONEY to do that. Dolt.
Softball question about gay rights, Romney says he supports them and gets round of applause.
Jovie, watch when Romney get to S.C. he will be against gay rights.
I’m taping the debate this am and have not watched it yet. If Romney said all the federal programs should be sent back to the states I hope someone is keeping that snip for the GE campaign.
Romney’s voice is so phony.
Bringing up Mitt’s support for gay people back in the 90′s. Good question!
flip flopper Mitt
Romney is stuttering all over the place. He gets very flustered when challenged slightly.
Hey Santorum, being respectful of gays is allowing them to marry whomever they want to.
Right to work question.
Absolutely ridiculous answers on gay rights; dodging. dodging, dodging…
Are you guys watching a live debate? Meet the Press isn’t on here for 1/2 hour.
Yes it’s on MSNBC now.
Watching live on MSNBC…
Thanks!
Oh, yes, more lies….it will be an interesting general election….
Lying and attacking the President, that’s all he does,..
thx jovie - retweeting that now
Good morning Chips and TOD family! Once again I admire all of you who are watching this spectacle. I am getting ready to go to church. My husband turns on the TV and the debate is on. I couldn’t handle hearing them talk. Heard one of them say it is wrong for all these people to wait for the government to help them. I wanted to throw a shoe at the TV. Don’t they understand these people want to work but there isn’t any jobs. They have no compassion. Thank goodness he turned to sports.
Thank you to all who can watch and report to us with weaker stomachs. I will read and catch up after church.
You are commended for living the values the Republicans pretend to ‘own’ — I am quite fascinated that the debate is on Sunday AM. If they truly believed in their ‘Christian Values’ claim; they would be confident they could compete with football instead of church…
Enjoy a peaceful morning at church!
Thank you Romney for saying that federal employee unions are a problem. I’m a federal worker and some of my coworkers love Romney. I just hope they know that you really don’t give a fuck about unions.
I can’t stand the RW hack David Gregory but I can admit that he is good this morning….Last night was so ridiculous….q: Governor Romney, should contraceptives be illegal?….
I was fuming,……..
Huntsman should move up and Willard down after today. Santorum will be lucky to stat even.
Jovie you are fast…I just posted the same thing. LOL.
Why is Newt scared to come after Mitt? Especially after talking about he would.
He probably got paid off by Wall Street $$/Bain Capital $$/Koch $$ to not attack Romney.
Newt is running for vp
Mitt is such a liar.
hey everybody, how’s everyone? I’m a slug this morning, so i’m sitting here with my coffee trying to catch up with you guys!
Good morning; enjoy your coffee — about to go make another cup!
Romney is doing bad this debate!
Yup, especially since he has to defend his BS. No long winded BS speeches.
He’s a thin-skinned pathetic shell. He cannot stand to be challenged.
My prediction is that he will let NBC know that they will have no access to him after this debate and Nbc will fold like a cheap suit.
Coward Fineman is live blogging on HP…….I cannot wait for the after show.
He’s going to say that Romney won and Obama lost. Isn’t that his standard response to EVERYTHING?
He will blame it on his ” Sources” ?
AXELROD: ROMNEY IS NOT A JOB CREATOR, HE IS A CORPORATE RAIDER!
WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ: ROMNEY IS NOT A JOB CREATOR, HE IS A JOB CREMATOR!
Go DWS!
why is Perry on the stage? I get they want a rootiin’ tootin’ cowboy, but…huh?
FOR ME, THIS IS THE “KATIE COURIC” GOP DEBATE
Finally, really good questions are being asked.
Who’s the guy impersonating David Gregory? This is just not like David Gregory to be asking such pertinent questions. It’s fascinating. Is it possible that some real journalism is breaking out?
I meant to say - Finally, really good questions are being asked AND CHALLENGED.
I would guess that someone higher up..wrote the questions .
That’s exactly what I was thinking Linda.
Love Romney using North Dakota as an example of employment —- North Dakota has approximately 650k residents — almost flat for 20 yrs —about 4.5% growth over last 10 yrs. 90% land used for ranching and farming; 50% employment in agriculture. Energy spending (including wind energy investment) has generated the modest increase in North Dakota’s population and contributed to low unemployment. So, two highly subsidized industries contribute to majority of North Dakota economy…. Great example Romney!
It is the same reason the unemployment was not as major an issue in Iowa - agricultural economies have not been hit like the rest of the industries — Romney is a joke!
And their state run bank has minimized the carnage.
Absolutely; find it absolutely laughable what Romney uses a state where he would be personally uncomfortable from the moment he landed; he has NOTHING in common with the demographics of the people of North Dakota….
Is ND the state that has their own state bank? I heard the state where they have their own state bank did not suffer like the rest of the country with the financial collapse.
why is Paul on the stage? I get it that they like cranky old white men, but…huh?
Because, the beltway media luvs uncle Ronnie and his isolationist views!
Why is Gingrich on the stage? i get it that everyone is fond of watching the Pillsbury Dough Boy get tickled and giggle, but ……
I agree. He takes up valuable time just rambling on an on. He adds NOTHING to the debates and we know that he’s not going to be the GOP nominee. He’s a distraction and a useless diversion. He’s a waste of taxpayer money and a hypocrite - sitting in congress for decades getting federal benefits while preaching against “government.” His speech in last night’s debate about MLK and “poor black minorities” rang hollow, patronizing and insincere. He has done nothing legislatively that would help circumstances for “poor black minorities.”
GRAB YOUR SEAT BOYS AND GIRLS
The latest Suffolk University overnight tracking poll of the New Hampshire primary shows Mitt Romney ticking down to 35 percent, and Rick Santorum falling to fifth place.
From the press release:
Romney dropped 4 percentage points overnight to 35 percent. The former Massachusetts governor still holds a 15 point lead, but his margin has declined by 8 percentage points since last Tuesday, when 43 percent of likely Republican voters backed Romney.
Romney is followed by Paul (20 percent), Huntsman (11 percent), Newt Gingrich (9 percent) and Santorum, who dropped another point to 8 percent overnight. Rick Perry and Buddy Roemer each had 1 percent with 15 percent undecided.
Gingrich negative ads having effect?
As far as I am concerned, I want them all to stay in as long as possible —- keep attacking each other and making free ads for the Democrats in the general election.
Good. We need an ugly rethugs race to expose the mittens to the voters. Hope all the candidates (including perry), however sucky they are, hand on till the bitter end.
If Huntsman finishes third, the media will make it the big story out or New Hampshire. And to be fair, it will be news. Romney’s campaign must be a little nervous now. I’ve been wondering for weeks if Romney is as “inevitable” as everyone says and if New Hampshire could change everything. That’s the reason why I’ve been concerned about the attacks on Romney: I didn’t want for him to be weakened too soon, before New Hampshire.
Jon Huntsman is the only sane person on that stage. I’m glad the moderators are actually asking about their policies.
Is it me or he always look like he’s going to cry??
He is crying. Albeit, a little movement up in the polls.
It’s like Renee Zellweiger [SIC]…huntsman always looks like he just smelled a fart…..
I hope Huntsman doesn’t have a late surge in keeping with all the other weird developments in this whacky campaign. I would sure rather have Obama facing Willard.
Absolutely agree; I find it somewhat humorous that the Republican party can’t recognize the strongest general election candidate is Huntsman. He would be a real threat as I think he could appeal to the ‘non-crazy’ independent voter — glad they aren’t smart enough to figure it out!
Hi all. Chiming in late. I really wish PBO could run against someone as sane as you all seem to think Huntsman is, comparatively. I would prefer my President be re-elected based on his accomplishments and intelligence, rather than because his opponent is a whacko. Sad state of affairs if folks like Tweety would still be able to call him “lucky” rather than he just being the best candidate. Just my take.
I actually prefer a sure thing and want a crazy as an opponent. I would not be able to deal with the repeal of Obamacare (I actually like that name as it gives him credit for the program). Also the closer the race is the more chance for the suppressive voter rights agenda and cheating ways of the GOP to be benefitted. However if it is an all out crazy and we cannot counter the GOP tricks to steal the election I’d hate that more. Guess I’m wishy washy seeing both sides just like Charlie Brown (sigh).
Don’t worry dotster. Two words: South Carolina. Repubs are not going to nominate Huntsman
Even if he does - he cannot beat Obama. The meme that Huntsman is a competitive candidate is just that - a meme. It’s far from reality.
My opinion it doesn’t matter which of those clowns Obama faces, he will defeat them. Neither one of them scares me.
By supporting the Ryan budget? Do not be fooled by Huntsman -he’s evil republican like the rest of them.
N. Leroy acts like he’s afraid to attack Mittens.
Isn’t that typical of a big mouthed bully ?
I always laugh when Mittens starts stuttering. LOL
David Gregory is making Gingrich and romney go at it.
I love this debate!
Me too Jovie. I’m surprised.
Wow! Gingrich just hemmed Romney on Bain.
Ouch! That one hurt!
He doesn’t know about the movie…but he knows its 27.5 min. BULLLLLL
And he knows the sources that will be used; I am thinking he has been part of its creation and just documented the evidence…what do you think?
Justice Department???
Yea that was very precise lol
Good grief; now we have Santorum attacking ‘it takes a village’ Please don’t even try to take on President on family values; you will lose every time… No clapping for Rick’s little speech…
Santorum is plummeting!
Sweater vests are unattractive and unforgivable. Dorky. And there is the little prob of Santorum being nutty as a fruitcake. No condoms? What would teenage boys put in their wallets in that brave new world?
Is today’s debate online anywhere ?
Yep…msnbc.com…it should be on homepage here is linky
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/45703786#.Twmmt_JZjmf
Thanks LOL.
Ron Paul sound more senile than usual….Liberty, liberty, liberty………..
I enjoyed this debate……..finally some good questions……..pathetic bunch of liars,.
Oh look at all the Stepford wives on stage.
Caught the Willard and The Grinch go at it. Hi-Larious! Ugh! Tweety and his beeyotch Coward.
:sneer:
Halperin thinks Romney won???
Clearly, Gingrich won!
It’s Dick. Even when Romney loses the general, Dickie Boy will still grade Willard at A+
Jovie you didn’t know?! This is obviously good news for John McCain.
Seriously, Anne Romney! That dress……….really?! Ugh!
Oh, Lisa, NO! I haven’t seen it, but based on our dialogue last night, perhaps this dress explains how she can be married to that kind of person all these years, and yuck, have babies with him.
There’s no accounting for taste, that’s for sure.
Mittens gets flustered and starts stuttering when he’s challenged on his flip flopping. LOL PBO will destroy him.
I absoluteley agree with you, collegekay, President Obama will destroy him and smile when he does it. Cannot wait.
Mitt Romne got ambushed…..
Heat in the kitchen…
He got ambushed because of all the debates this is the first one that asked really good, pertinent and tough questions. And most importantly, the responses were challenged. Secondly, his opponents went easy on him last night and saved the pummeling for Sunday morning. Their last chance to get in some good licks before Tuesday.
My two favorite moments:
Romney: ‘I haven’t seen the ads Newt.’ Then he goes on to recite all the things that were true in the ads he didn’t see.
Santorum: ‘This President doesn’t support families. This President doesn’t support abstinence.’ Methinks one of these things is not like the other.
Anyone trying to attack this President on family values is an idiot…
Biggest lies of this debate
1. PBO controls gas prices
2. PBO is weak on national security
3. Romney saying “I’m not a career politician”
Heh.
Former NH gov on, obviously disgusted by the debates and defensive in response to Tweety. He’s cursing Tweety and company “ridiculous!” tweety going back after him. The former gov is pissed! Hahahaha!!
Now this is fun to watch!
A sane person: Hey Ron we’re going to Starbucks. Do you want a large or small cup of coffee?
Ron Paul: Well the real question is about liberty and our ability to audit the Fed that’s funding the Military Industrial Complex.
A sane person: Okay I”m going to take that as a no?
LOL!
Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newt’s lines about Mitt being a career politician was great!
Former gov. Sununu pissed at Tweety and Co. And insulting their intelligence.
Sununu needs to go back to his retirement home. He makes McCain look sane.
Tee-hee-hee!
He’s so steamed he needs to keep a lid on his toupee. Sununu going after Hunstman’s “glowing letters to ” PBO.
I thought I saw his rug spin around a couple of times. Did you miss it?
Video: Woman Sleeping At GOP Debate
Here’s something you don’t see every debate,a woman in the audience fast asleep. With a 9am Sunday debate, who could blame her.
Catch her behind the moderator, David Gregory, here. http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/3766
Great..now someone’s actually SLEEPING! ON TV!
Sorry, but that reminded me of Bill Clinton’s nodding off in ’08:
http://williamcoit.blogspot.com/2008/01/in-light-of-all-im-more-of-civil-rights.html
Its seems like today’s ‘talking points bulletin’ was actually a debate. Cry baby Huntsman. heheheh.
I see that some have posted NH polls. I will be taken this polls with a grain of salt. They were wrong in Iowa. I will just wait for results Tuesday.
Mitt Romney: Don’t Run For Office If You Need The Salary
“I happened to see my dad run for governor when he was 54 years old,” Romney said. “He had good advice to me. He said never get involved in politics if you have to win election to pay a mortgage. If you find yourself in a position when you can serve, you ought to have a responsibility to do so if you think you can make a difference, and don’t get involved in politics when your kids are still young because it may turn their heads.”
Nice to know that you have SO much money that $400,000/yr isn’t necessary.
Think Progress picked this up too…Politics and holding office only for the rich????
Coward looks like a pasty-faced ass.
If David Gregory would ask questions like he did today in the debate and challenge outlandish responses from politicians on Meet The Press, he would get me back as a viewer. At this point, I find Meet The Press totally useless. It is just a stage for the GOP to spout their talking points. And David Gregory carries water for them by asking softball questions without fact checking what they are saying.
And not give his own biased analysis, like he just did!
Romney on Fed subsidies for poor people: Let them eat States.
Romney on Fed subsidies for Bain Capital: That’s free enterprise at its best.
Too late! David Gregory gave his analysis and said Romney was a fighter tonite.
Wwwwwwhhhhhhaaaaatttt?
Not even close!
With that comment Gregory lost a lot of what he gained from the debate.
I know! It’s almost like he is covering his ass with the party bosses!
Sounds like they purposely pick sunday morning low viewership to test out Romney ‘get tough’ questions. They have to fatten him up (so to speak) in prep of going against PBO. Because lets face it, he’s the one they are running and if they have to find lost votes every step of the way to make it happen so be it.
So now we know where the real power in the GOP lies. There are the 3 faces represented by these candidates (I use the term lightly here) The religious right fundamentalist extreme, the libertarian anti-gov conspiracy racists & corporate warlords. Corporate greed is poised to steal this nomination anyway they can. They’ve even come out with this new pledge that everyone must vote for whomever they nominate.
Thanks for the reporting on the NBC debate. It seems like this one actually lived up to its name.
Good morning Chips and TOD family.
Who was that guy who was on Chris Matthew’s?….A supporter of Romney….he was sooooo freaking rude and arrogant……
Former Gov. Sununu of NH.
Sununu angered some when he was the only governor of a U.S. state not to call for repeal of the extremely controversial UN General Assembly Resolution 3379 (“Zionism is Racism”). He later reversed his position on this issue and supported the Republicans’ pro-Israel 1988 platform.[6]
As White House Chief of Staff, Sununu reportedly took personal trips, for skiing and other purposes, and classified them as official, for purposes such as conservation or promoting the Thousand Points of Light.[11] The Washington Post wrote that Sununu’s jets “took him to fat-cat Republican fund-raisers, ski lodges, golf resorts and even his dentist in Boston.”[11] Sununu had paid the government only $892 for his more than $615,000 worth of military jet travel.[12] Sununu said that his use of the jets was necessary because he had to be near a telephone at all times for reasons of national security.[13] Sununu became the subject of much late-night television humor over the incident.[11] Sununu worsened the situation shortly afterwards when, after leaking rumors of financial difficulties in his family, he traveled to a rare stamp auction at Christie’s auction house in New York City from Washington in a government limousine, spending $5,000 on rare stamps.[14] Sununu then sent the car and driver back to Washington unoccupied while he returned on a corporate jet.[14] In the course of one week, 45 newspapers ran editorials on Sununu, nearly all of them critical of his actions.[15]
Sununu repaid over $47,000 to the government for the flights on the orders of White House counsel C. Boyden Gray, with the help of the Republican Party.[16] However, the reimbursements were at commercial rates, which are about one-tenth the cost of the actual flights; one ski trip to Vail, Colorado alone had cost taxpayers $86,330.
Holy crap, yet they bay at the moon when the president flies anywhere. This is worth book marking and using as response to attacks on the Obama’s spending. thanks for the info
I remember this. The comedians had a good time with this. There was even a reference on Murphy Brown.
He was rude, but I’m glad Tweety & Co finally got their comeuppance!
That’s a good one. Romney: No job left behind.
Alex GAGner said huntsman was incredibly strong. Luvfest?
She meant when Huntsman confronted Willard, which is true. It took a lot of courage for Huntsman to do that especially since he looked like he was gonna start crying any minute.
Why does it take a lot of courage to debate?
Not one mention of Gingrich zinging Romney.
Because, they dint like him?
It sowed courage cause Huntsman is a crybaby and a milquetoast and Willard is an asshole and a bully.
***showed***
Proud to say I have not watched one minute of any Repub debate. Consider it a waste of my time until someone is standing on the stage with President Obama. But I have read the reactions here and on twitter and elsewhere and have seen clips, and the whole ordeal is quite mind-boggling in the unworthiness of these candidates which has been revealed. For example, I just saw Perry looking proud as a peacock—literally—-for remembering the 3 departments he would abolish. I actually slapped my forehead. Insanity.
I think he is going home now.
He was going home after last night when he proudly stated that he would send all the troops BACK to Iraq NOW! Bye Rick…go back and continue Fing up your own state!
That was hilarious! I cheered him when he got ALL three!! He looked like he’d just shit out a gold brick! Good for him! Hahahahahahaha!!
ha, I just pretty much posted the same thing.
Just saw the Huntsman /Willard thing. Willard came off looking exactly like what he was: an asshole and a bully and the audience recognized that and cheered Huntsman. Huntsman should have run in 2016. Idiot.
Huntsman may get traction from the encounter, and it seems many Repunblican candidatec get the nomination the second time around. And Willard was damaged.
I didn’t watch but there is something about Huntsman that really creeps me out. I haven’t seen hardly any live video of him but it’s an instant gut reaction.
He’s a crybaby. I wouldn’t trust Huntsman with a puppy much less 300 million + American lives. He’s a powderpuff who likely has a delicate constitution.
Yeah, there’s something very manipulative, passive-aggressive, strange going on. I suspect underneath that seeming “nice guy” is a mean jerk. Anyone who sees merit in Ryan’s horrific budget has to be very, very oblivious to ordinary Americans.
Could it be the way he totally disses the President that he worked for?
Well, YES, there’s that, for sure!
Uh … yeah. That would be it for me.
I remember seeing a segment on Rachel Maddow a long time ago when the campaigns were just beginning with Huntsman as a cartoon character this was done by MSNBC not Huntsman. I think the actual campaign was pushing Huntsman as a daring motorcyclist but alas that could have been Pawlenty as I do not remember now.
Gooooood Morning…my TOD Fam….sipping coffee watching the debate…..
i listen to these folks…..
i am alarmed….i wonder how much of the American populace share these views….
i understand the stakes here….an America where everyone has a chance…or an America where the middle class continues to shrink and the poor falls more and more thru the cracks…
For the future of America…
The President MUST BE RE-ELECTED
40% share these views or can be easily convinced. It took Republicans 35 years to destroy American political discourse, aided and abetted by fickle and lazy dems who refuse to play the long game and counter repubs efffectively. Telecom Bill did serious damage to our press. It is a sad day for America when such absurd ideas can get traction in the 21st century.
yanno 57….
these racist and anti workers’ “notions” are not new….i suppose we just got complacent and thought that we did have to defend the gains that folks fought hard and died for,…
The Civil Rights Act of 1964….the Voting Rights Act…Collective Bargaining Rights…..Public Education….women’s health issues…including abortion rights….
are all under attack…..
this is a fight that we cannot afford to lose……
The Struggle Continues….i have my boots on!!!
morning all another great day to be a dem with PBO at the helm. I’ve never watch these debate but had fun following on twitter last nite and hearing about them here this morning. Thanks for all the commentary
On the lighter side and in honor of NH hosting the #KrazyKlownKarz here is a music video about NH, A Granite State of Mine. Enjoy
you know, I’m gonna say it. that’s more of New Hampshire than I’ve ever seen!
an obscure state in the farther reaches of the continent…
Brilliant - I hope the one good thing to come out of this election (apart from all of us meeting up in DC for President Obama’s next inauguration party) is that each state produce something creative like this. First, we had the guy in Iowa sticking up for his state and pointing out some historical facts. And now these guys doing the same. The internet is a wonderful thing!
Looks like Chuckie is pulling a Donald. Looks like he’s going bald and tried a little someuhm, someuhm with a few strands of hair.
He is repulsive looking to me…..
American research group has Huntsman at 17% in second place.—— course Chuckie don’t trust this poll.
he doesn’t trust any poll his name isn’t linked to— what an ass. 
Arg is one of the least respected polls!
Well he is right about not trusting the polls. Look at Iowa as example.
Chuckie thinks his polls are the only things that matter. He could care less about policy or character. He is a shallow creep.
Handy fact sheet to rebut GOP Tax Myths . I noticed that last night they seemed to harp on a few of these quite often
http://ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2011/12/the_top_five_tax_myths_to_watc.php
With graphs
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=6135
wow both of these are great sources of info DF - tweeted them both - I’m sure ppl can use these! for instance, I can’t tell ya how many times I’ve heard ppl say “well you know those POOR people don’t pay taxes at all” grrrr…..
This is a graphic that should be widely circulated:
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That’s what I tell Ben Quayle every time I call his office….
retweeted
Not included are expense accounts, clothing allowance and, wait for it: LIFETIME MEDICAL INSURANCE, even after leaving a post in which they did f-all to improve the lives of the American People they are always quoting!
Yeah, tip of the iceberg. Infuriates me, especially egregious with this DO NOTHING, destructive, obstructionist Congress.
Watching the debate. Huntsman just used the big word “multiplicity.” Perry’s looking for his cheat sheet.
Obviously, I’m watching on my DVR - wasn’t gonna get up early here in the CST for these pukes!
And you’ll find that Perry can now count to 3 — he thinks he’s ready for the big stage.
I heard that and thought “whoops, he keeps talking that polysyllabic smack and he is gonna sink in the polls”
He also said obfuscation….He must not have gotten the memo. No words past one syllable. You know God Guns and Gays
Is it written on his hand?
Huntsman workimg for PBO will haunt him.
And Politico still talking about that G*damn book!
What book?
Yea, what book? The Bible.
About Michelle!
DWS is coming on!
Here’s additional details about Pat Buchanan and MSNBC, which a TODer mentioned earlier.~
Buchanan, a former GOP presidential candidate and a paid MSNBC contributor, hasn’t been on the network since the publication of his book “Suicide of a Superpower” last October. The book has chapters titled “The End of White America” and “The Death of Christian America” and its author argues that the United States is in the “Indian summer of our civilization.”
“When Pat was on his book tour, because of the content of the book, I didn’t think it should be part of the national dialogue much less part of the dialogue on MSNBC,” said MSNBC President Phil Griffin.
Read more: http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/msnbc-chief-not-sure-whether-pat-buch
Short version roundup of the MSNBC debates this morning
http://www.politicususa.com/en/5-reasons-to-be-glad-you-didnt-watch-the-meet-the-press-debate
D. Wasserman-Shultz is on msnbc
She did great.
Just watched the debate. All of them for cutting back all benefits except for the tax-cuts for the rich. Hope the voters realize how much pain these fuckers will inflict on them, if they are elected. All the european rw governments that they chose is hurting them very badly.
Gingrich won that debate and none if the pundits say so!
I would not put too much stock in these pundits. Romney has taken NH for granted, and it showing up in the polls. HE will win…but not by the 20 pt margin he thinks. I think SC will be very unfriendly to him. If Santorum does his all counties thing in SC, Willard is in trouble.
I agree.
Yea, he may move up a couple of points. Also MSNBC have contiune to fluff Huntsman.
What is with msnbc and huntsman?
They want (what they think is) a white version of President Obama.
The Grinch and The Milquetoast won today.
DWS going after Willard!! Love her! Beautiful surrogate for PBO’s re-election team: “Romney lacks conviction and stands for nothing.”—-hahahahahahaha!
DWS: Willard “is a job cremator.”
This is slightly dated but it will be interesting to see if this movement grows as time progresses…
Is this what Cuban democracy could look like?
Nick Miroff| November 27, 2025 08:01
Cuba’s communist leaders may have turned to market principles to tinker with the island’s state-run economy in recent years, but the fundamentals of its one-party political system have remained unchanged and ironclad. Legislation by decree. A state-run media. Centralized planning with aging veterans of Fidel Castro’s 1959 Cuban Revolution in charge.
Yet in the smaller, less visible spaces where Cuban civil society exists — particularly in the island’s Catholic Church and among certain writers and intellectuals — a powerful set of ideas is taking hold that aims to transform the relationship between ordinary Cubans and the political system that has ruled here for more than 50 years.
Read more: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/cuba/111121/what-cuban-democracy-could-look
So I am reading the transcripts from this morning debate and why is that Americans have to feel pain? The Ryan Plan, attacking Medicare and Medicaid, unemployment, low wages, welfare - all hurt regular folk. The same folks who put into that system. The same folks whose tax payer money bailed out Wall Street. So no one should pay more in taxes but regular folk have to feel pain. R U SERIOUS!! I don’t believe these people. What totally sucks is that the media lets them get away with this crap. I really need to tweet and get the instant satisfaction of getting my voice heard. The bad things is 140 characters are just enough for me to tell somebody to go ?!#@$@^ themselves and lose the argument with my profanity.
Funny, huntan endorsed the Ryan plan and Bowles Simpson yet msnbc says he was incredibly strong. For what?
Huntsman is like all the other on that stage, they ain’t worth sh*t.
They are serious, these crazy ass Republicans want to take from the poor to give to the rich. Because they don’t think very much of poor folks, or the middle class.
[Image] Just for fun: http://goo.gl/XOhZG
bah ha ha! too funny tweeting that!
This could be interesting…Paul Ryan vulnerable??
http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/article.php?article=35603
Hope he loses his seat, his shirt, his hair and everything else. Azzhat.
Pension fund divests from Walmart for violating global labor standards
By Muriel Kane| Friday, January 6, 2026
The largest pension fund in the Netherlands has divested itself of all shares in Walmart as a result of the company’s anti-union position and poor labor standards. Algemeen Burgerlijk Pensioenfonds declared earlier this week that it was blacklisting Walmart for its non-compliance with the United Nations’ Global Compact, which “presents a set of core values relating to human rights, labor standards, the environment and anti-corruption efforts.” ABP has been trying for years to convince the retail giant to change its policies.
The firm first came to ABP’s attention in 2007, when the fund established a “socially responsible investing” policy and was “struck by the staggering number of lawsuits and National Labor Relations Board complaints” against Walmart.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/06/pension-fund-divests-from-walmart-for-violating-global-labor-standards/
Fraud and Folly: The Untold Story of General Electric’s Subprime Debacle
By Michael Hudson| January 6, 2026
For General Electric Co., hawking subprime mortgages was a long way from making light bulbs and jet engines. That didn’t stop the industrial giant from jumping into the subprime business in 2004, lending blue-chip respectability to the market for risky home loans by paying roughly half a billion dollars to buy California-based WMC Mortgage Corp.
What GE got in the bargain, former WMC employees say, was a place where erstwhile shoe salesmen, ex-strippers and even a former porn actress could sign on as sales reps and make big money pushing home loans. WMC’s top salespeople earned a million dollars a year or more and lived fast, swigging $1,000 bottles of Cristal and wheeling around in $100,000 Ferraris and Bentleys.
In pursuit of these riches and perks, several ex-employees claim, many WMC sales staffers embraced fraud as a tool for pushing through loans that borrowers couldn’t afford.
Read more: http://www.alternet.org/economy/153679/fraud_and_folly%3A_the_untold_story_of_general_electric%27s_subprime_debacle/
h/t The Center for Public Integrity
Thanks for posting this here, creolechild. As someone that has fought with these banks for the past 3 1/2 years, and one who has had “questionable” tactics used against me to try and steal my home,I can truly appreciate this article. I’m not done yet, but this certainly validates even more, the kinds of fraudulent antics that were more than prevelant during the run up to the housing bust. I could tell you things that would make your head explode in anger….but, I’m trying to move on. Anyway, thanks so much for this
You’re welcome, desertflower. I also had an article about Wells Fargo’s role in the subprime fiasco but can’t find it. I’ll post if for you if I do come across it. Keep your head up!~
This.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/opinion/sunday/bruni-a-campaign-pruned-of-bushes.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1
That presidency is a cautionary tale for successors, who aren’t learning proper caution from it. They’re still adamant about low taxes despite being vague about entitlement reform, which carries the risk of alienating important constituencies. So they simply eliminate 43 from the narrative, a bit of creative editing that helps them pin the mind-boggling level of federal debt overwhelmingly on Obama.
Huntsman endorsed the Ryan plan which would add 8 trillion to the debt, and the Bowles Simpson plan, which would subtract 4 trillion from the debt.
Yet msnbc is all over huntsman???
In my opinion I think Romney wants this thing to go on for as long as it can because the moment it is over he has to face President Obama. As a child President Obama has lived around the world, both of his parents were highly educated and both came from very humble beginnings. President Obama has climbed mountains most of us can’t even fathom. First African American to become President, although J.A. Rogers might think differently, wink wink. First African American to become editor of the Harvard Law Review, and oh by the way the guy won a Noble Peace Prize. Personally I don’t think that President Obama really cares about whom he has to face, and I don’t think he’s taking whatever is being said about him personally. But David Alexrod wants Romney’s ass in the worst way, make no mistake, Alexrod is more than a advisor, Alexrod is the one that walks around with the basebat. Another of President Obama’s advisors is David Plouffe who is a skilled surgeon when it comes to running campaigns. But Alexrod, this guy is a blunt instrument, and he likes to inflict pain. Romney has no idea what is in store for him.
First time in my life I’ve ever wanted anyone clobbered within an inch of their political lives. Hope after the GE, Willard makes like Bin Laden pre-Seal Team Six and stays hidden in his mansion, watching PBO on tv, wrapped up in blankets rocking back and forth and mumbling.
LMAO!! Excellent Lisa.
That was actually a really good retort by Jon Huntsman. Why is he a Republican?
Because he hearts ryan plan ? He is no different from others when it comes to ‘austerity’. He is as ‘sane’ as the rest of them.
I disagree with some of his polices. But I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s like the others on that stage. That’s just my opinion.
He isn’t a bomb thrower, but because he’s a milquetoast, it would be easy for us to have another Dick Cheney running this country. Huntsman looks straight outta central casting, but he’s just as dangerous for this country as the rest. Willard would be horrible because he has no core and will do whatever he can to chase the nutbagger votes and install nutbagger cabinet members. Willard needs strong structure. If he ever cheated his way to the presidency, the country would need overwhelming democratic majorities in both houses of congress in order to control Willard.
You might want to watch Huntsman endorsing Palin back in 2008. I think he subscribes to the same right wing ideology (fiscally, not socially) as the rest of them. And, I think if he had enough face time, we’d see he’s probably dipping into some of the same crazy-juice as the rest of them, too. Anyone endorsing Paul Ryan’s Ayn-Rand-inspired philosophy for this country has not done their homework, and does not value human life. The thought of what that plan would do to seniors and those relying on care from social programs is frightening. They’d be left to fend for themselves. It takes a dark heart to think that Paul Ryan’s plan is a good thing. It does nothing but preserve tax money for more tax cuts for the top 1%, at great cost.
He is a true conventional Republican; always has had very conservative roots and I disagree with his policy beliefs….I do; however, believe he understands ‘serving your country’ and knows that compromise with those who don’t share all of your positions is necessary for any movement forward. This is why I think he would appeal to independent voters…I am personally glad he won’t be the candidate, but also glad he is there to create a spark for ridiculous positions of isolationism and obstructionism.
I agree.
Some ass just said that Huntsman’s thing with Willard this morning is why the WH is “afraid of huntsman.” is this heifer for reals?!!
I peeped that. GAG.
That is Jennifer Donahue….she writes for HuffPuff and was a press secretary for a Republican Senator for a while.
FROM THE DNC: GOP2012 NEW HAMPSHIRE
Duck, Dodge and Dismantle
http://www.democrats.org/news/january-8-GOP-debate?source=HDL
Romney Haunted by His Victims, Continued
By Steve Benen | Posted at January 7, 2012, 10:17 am
MoveOn.org has a new video highlighting some of Romney’s victims. One is Donny Box, whom we met on Thursday, and the other is Glen Patrick Wells, who spent a generation at the Kansas City steel mill Romney helped shut down.
h/t Washington Monthly
holy buckets that is gold. tweetin that
Missed the debate live. Now catching the post-debate analysis on MSNBC. Just saw the moment between Huntsman and Willard. I never thought my opinion of Willard could get any lower, but it certainly did with that exchange. He is an absolutely horrible excuse for a human being. He has no integrity and no guiding principles. Huntsman’s policies are atrocious, he is a backstabber, and he has no vitality, but at least he has more of a core than Willard “Empty Suit” Romney.
What was the “moment” between Huntsman and Willard? I have no TV .
Ugh!!!@ that head tilt to the left that Willard does with that plastic smile at the end of his sentences.
Someone commented on Jason Easley’s “5 Reasons to be glad you didn’t watch the mtp debates” that willard reminded her of Herman Munster’s slightly better looking brother. lol. I’ve never seen him on tv but from his pic online I see her point. All that’s missing is that screw through his neck.
5 Reasons To Be Glad You Didn’t Watch The Meet The Press Debate
By Jason Easley| January 8, 2025
Shame on the American media for giving no time to recover from last night’s GOP debate. Here are five reasons why you would have better off staying in bed than watching the Republican debate.
1). Career Politician Mitt Romney Claims Politics Is Not His Career-
2). The GOP Candidates Won’t Tell Americans They Are Going To Kill Social Security and Medicare-
3). Rick Perry Calls Those On Unemployment Un-American-
3 a). Gingrich and Santorum Champion Their Failed 1996 Welfare Reform-
4). Rick Santorum Claims That He Doesn’t Hate Gay People-
5). Mitt Romney Promises To Attack Public Sector Unions-
Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/en/5-reasons-to-be-glad-you-didnt-watch-the-meet-the-press-debate
This is a good one.
MSNBC is putting forth a valiant effort for Huntsman—-all full of praise, airing his “good moment” over and over. And Heilemann is usually politically astute, and he said he was getting inundated with messages from Paul people, obviously concerned with Huntsman overtaking Paul for the 2nd spot. I think it might happen, given the cheering for Huntsman’s “good moment” and because there are some sane people in N.H. and given that Romney is dropping in the polls there. I also think Huntsman made a big mistake in avoiding Iowa, and foolishly dissing the state. I think he would have had appeal in Iowa which may have vaulted him a la Obama. And everyone saying that no matter what Huntsman would come to a screeching halt in conservative S.C. doesn’t quite hold up since the polls there are currently showing (Mormon) Romney with a lead which was formerly thought to be impossible, given the rt. wing evangelical Repub electorate there. Romney remains unlikable, and everyone knows it, which could lead to some surprises still.
The evangelical still don’t like Mormons, therefore Romney and Huntsman won’t do too well. Also expect attacked ads from Paul and Romney in NH on Huntsman.
Let’s not kid ourselves, this is about ratings. The networks need Romney to not walk away with this thing early. These debates cost them almost nothing to produce and the ratings are pretty good for unscripted content. They want many, many more debates. If they can help the NH voters to avoid a landslide coronation of Romney, they’re all to happy to oblige.
DICK halperin gave FRAUD-NEY an A for the debate? He must really be begging for access.
Halperin is going for the vice presidential pick!
The Year of Voter Suppression
By: Nancy A. Heitzeg| Wednesday 4 January 2026
As we enter another election cycle, our most urgent challenge will be to ensure that the right to vote and the right to have that vote counted is protected. It comes as no surprise that this “basic right, without which all others are meaningless” has come under massive attack as we prepare to re-elect the first Black POTUS, who was swept into office by voters of color, youth and women.
Voter suppression efforts take a variety of forms. Certainly there are the blatant efforts to legislatively restrict access to the franchise via legal barriers such as recent changes that require voter identification and documentation of citizenship, limit early and absentee voting, make voter registration more difficult and further restrict the voting rights of former felons. Voter suppression occurs in less direct ways as well, and again these tactics are primarily those of the right, but are occasionally stoked by the disaffected left.
Read more: http://www.truth-out.org/year-voter-suppression/1325999557
h/t Critical Mass Progress
Holy smoley, you chatty chatters need a new thread:
http://theobamadiary.com/2012/01/08/chat-away-18/
Will catch up later
Class Warfare, Romney-Style
By Bob Moser| January 6, 2026
Nothing gets Mitt Romney more animated on the campaign trail than inveighing against President Obama’s penchant for wealth-redistribution. The president wants to “substitute envy for ambition and poison the American spirit by pitting one American against another and engaging in class warfare,” as Romney put it earlier this week in Des Moines. But as the non-partisan Tax Policy Center reported yesterday, the former Massachusetts governor is waging his own brand of class warfare.
Romney’s plan would save a middle-income American about $1,400 a year—and lighten a 1 percenter’s tax load by $171,000. It would also add $600 billion to the deficit in 2015. (Among those benefiting from Romneynomics would, of course, be Romney; his net worth is estimated at $250 million, making him one of the 3,140 richest people in America—part of the 0.001 percent.) The Economist calls Romney’s plan “very progressive, by 15th-century standards.”
Read more: http://prospect.org/article/class-warfare-romney-style
Mitt believes life begins at incorporation
LOL. That’s great Linda.
Great line, Linda!
I LOVE TO SEE PBO LAUGH…INDEED…’MITTENS’ IS IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING!