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  1. 1 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 2:09 pm


    This passage in Michael Grunwald’s Politico piece on Mick Mulvaney, Trump’s OMB director, nicely illustrates standard Republican shadiness about what does and does not count as “welfare”:

    During his populist run for the White House, Trump had vowed to leave Social Security and Medicare alone. But Trump had also vowed to rein in America’s national debt, which Mulvaney didn’t think was possible without reining in the two biggest chunks of the federal budget. So Mick the Knife brought a cut list to his meeting in the Oval.

    “Look, this is my idea on how to reform Social Security,” the former South Carolina congressman began.

    “No!” the president replied. “I told people we wouldn’t do that. What’s next?”

    “Well, here are some Medicare reforms,” Mulvaney said.

    “No!” Trump repeated. “I’m not doing that.”

    “OK, disability insurance.”

    This was a clever twist. Mulvaney was talking about the Social Security Disability Insurance program, which, as its full name indicates, is part of Social Security. But Americans don’t tend to think of it as Social Security, and its 11 million beneficiaries are not the senior citizens who tend to support Trump.

    “Tell me about that,” Trump replied.

    “It’s welfare,” Mulvaney said.

    “OK, we can fix welfare,” Trump declared.
    First, Trump is … not bright.

    Because he doesn’t know and doesn’t even care to learn. People will be hurt or even die.

    • 2 desertflower
      September 3, 2017 at 2:18 pm

      Proof they are voting against their own interests and there’s a disconnect….

      Second, the standard conservative mental model of “welfare” is that it consists of government transfers that don’t go to older white people, who vote overwhelmingly Republican. Of course, Social Security (the non-SSDI part) and Medicare alone consume more than 1/3 of the annual budget. The main beneficiary of the welfare state is older white Republicans—by a long shot. The fact that the welfare state, fairly defined, is actually wildly popular with the GOP base is a huge problem for ideological “small government” dogmatists like Mulvaney. If you think the secret sauce of freedom and booming economic performance is a much lower level of tax-financed government spending, there’s no alternative to furiously hacking away at Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and SSDI with a hatchet. Taken together, they’re half the federal budget:

    • 3 Nena20409
      September 3, 2017 at 2:18 pm

      Congrats, DF on your solid Au ⭐ Furst 😉

  2. 5 Nena20409
    September 3, 2017 at 2:20 pm

    Hello TODbots on a Sunday Afternoon.
    Thanks, NW for all you do for Us.
    {{{ ❤ Chips ❤ }}}
    Now, back to catching up.

  3. 6 vcprezofan2
    September 3, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    GA & TY, NerdyW. It’s a real pleasure to see you! 🙂

    GA, Df, mother of the birthday boy….oops…man! May your day be blessed with laughter and happiness.

  4. 8 Nena20409
    September 3, 2017 at 2:53 pm

  5. 12 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    More thoughts on the PBO transition letter. I’m still pissed, but I can still agree with his thoughts.. 🙂

  6. 15 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 3:31 pm

  7. 16 Nena20409
    September 3, 2017 at 3:31 pm

    And that was with over 300K provincial votes……mostly discarded…..This gave Mr. Flake a win in ’12 Senate seat.
    AZ like TX, NC & FL are easily ‘gettable’ States for Dems when VOTES are actually tabulated w/o Statewide GOP Voter Suppression.

  8. 18 Nena20409
    September 3, 2017 at 3:52 pm

  9. 19 Nena20409
    September 3, 2017 at 4:08 pm

  10. 22 Nena20409
    September 3, 2017 at 4:19 pm

  11. 23 Nena20409
    September 3, 2017 at 4:32 pm

  12. 24 Nena20409
    September 3, 2017 at 5:15 pm

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  15. September 3, 2017 at 5:27 pm

    Ambassador Rice takes the mic ….

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  18. September 3, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    Compare ….

    With ….

    BTW, both true, obviously …..

  19. September 3, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    Wanted to share this from the Today Show this morning. It’s a piece (3:18) that Tom Brokaw did on healthcare in America from a small town in Wyoming. He and one of the people he interviewed managed to work i a big ‘hit’ to the ACA. 😦 😦 Watch it and then let me know what you think.


  20. 37 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    Good for them.

    • 38 CEB
      September 3, 2017 at 8:19 pm

      The owner called the donation “exercising free speech” and the usual mess. The employees exercised their rights and quit. They put decency before money and I hope that they all land in better positions soon.

  21. 39 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 6:49 pm


  22. 40 Gazelle
    September 3, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    This one is for all who need a damn break, but most especially for Dudette who always gives us the most amazing music. Not sure if you’ve heard of this guy. He’s a DMV special (DC, MD, VA) & we went to one of his shows a while back & I was blown away. “Doc” was amazing in the energy he put in his show. Plus he graduated from Howard Dentistry (‘cos Mom & Dad said “son ….” 🙂 ) But his love is the sax & he’s proving to Mom & Dad, yup …. 🙂 Anyhoo, here’s one of his hits from his album “Phillip ‘Doc’ Martin: Good Day at Work”:

    • 41 Gazelle
      September 3, 2017 at 7:02 pm

      P.S. The whole album is fabulous!

      • 42 Gazelle
        September 3, 2017 at 7:07 pm

        He is an actual dentist, BTW! Must be fun music in there when you’re getting fillings, etc. 🙂

      • 43 desertflower
        September 3, 2017 at 7:57 pm

        Sounds GREAT! Thanks, Gazelle!

        • 44 Gazelle
          September 3, 2017 at 8:06 pm

          You’re most welcome, DF! You’re going to love the album, I tell ya! 🙂

          • 45 desertflower
            September 3, 2017 at 8:10 pm

            I can already tell I love it:) Will hook my husband up, too. He’ll love this as well. Thank you, daaaaarling!

            • 46 Gazelle
              September 3, 2017 at 8:21 pm

              Awww! During his show, he was jumping up & down, playing sax, then one of his buddies in the audience, guy from France who’s played w/ Stevie Wonder and so forth, got on stage w/ a harmonica. I was like, okay …. And, damn didn’t the harmonica and sax just simply play off each other, and they were jumping up and down and still playing their instruments. Made me want to go to the gym, do cardio, something, pronto! Or just enjoy … 🙂 I chose the latter! 🙂

    • 50 CEB
      September 3, 2017 at 8:27 pm

      He is good enough to quit his day job! I really like this kind of music; off to uplift my spirit with more.

      • 51 Gazelle
        September 3, 2017 at 8:34 pm

        My thought exactly, CEB! And he’s such a humble soul, with a great heart. His wife is just as kind & fully supportive of his music. I had the same feeling, “dude quit your day job”!

  23. 52 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 7:29 pm

  24. 53 Gazelle
    September 3, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    In honor of the High Court in Kenya, the Supremes, Wakafrica:

  25. September 3, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    The reason every person on this planet should be terrified of ‘Little Hands’ is that he is smart enough and, beyond any doubt, vain enough to know that he has the ultimate eraser of all history, at his tiny little finger tips.

    Be assured, he’ll use it before anyone impeaches or indicts him.

    That’s the reality no “public figure” has dared state, so I’ll be so bold to do it for all of them.

    As is the long-standing tradition of TOD – you read it here, first.

  26. 58 arapaho415
    September 3, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    GE TODville.

    Just had a post eaten by WordPress, so instead will update everyone on the weather in the western US. Will try again soon.

    Saw a tweet yesterday with the path of Lidia, but can’t find now. 😦

  27. 59 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 8:54 pm

  28. 60 99ts
    September 3, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    So I posted on an old thread – of course I did – 14 hours ahead and days behind in the blog – sigh

    I miss President Obama. He was trusted by the world to avoid WWIII – the new guy incites everything negative in our world.


    Stay safe over there TODers

  29. 64 jacquelineoboomer
    September 3, 2017 at 9:08 pm

  30. 66 arapaho415
    September 3, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    Forgot to post this, but firefighters really *are* unsung heroes — we in the west appreciate their hard work and dedication so much.

    From the article:

    And another illustration of how being right on the Pacific Ocean offers no relief from the heat (although I detect a change in the weather now, after 6pm PDT — seems cooler and less humid, so hopefully Lidia has come and gone…).
    “Remarkably, the temperature at Point Reyes at midnight Friday night was a sweltering-for-the-location 86°F—just 4°F below the previous all-time high.”

    • 67 Betsy
      September 3, 2017 at 10:45 pm

      It rained here in RPV, just by San Pedro and has been off and on in the past hour. Hopefully it will head north to put out those fires.

  31. September 3, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    • 69 99ts
      September 3, 2017 at 9:20 pm

      Vicious monster – no other president has ever spent all his time undoing the goodness of those who came before. May he forever reside in the dustbin of history.

  32. 70 arapaho415
    September 3, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    I have no idea why this won’t post, so will try a piecemeal approach.

    re: Utah nurse arrested by Salt Lake City policeman:

  33. 72 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 9:32 pm


  34. 73 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    • 74 arapaho415
      September 3, 2017 at 9:56 pm

      GE DF.

      Can’t find the tweet now (story of my life now, LOL), but saw one recently that said ICE is deporting people to Mexico, regardless of country of origin (didn’t read the article when I saw the tweet, but presumably anyone from Latin America gets dropped off at a Mexican border town):

      From the article:
      “His kidnapping is an increasingly common occurrence along the U.S.-Mexico border, particularly the Texas-Tamaulipas region, immigrants rights groups say. Narciso and other immigrants deported by Immigrations and Customs Enforcement have become easy prey for violent criminal groups desperate for money. The gangs hold the deportees until their relatives in the U.S. pay thousands of dollars for their release.”

      So Mexican criminals are benefiting from FUBAR criminal idiocy.

      Another tweet:

    • 75 Sandy1110
      September 3, 2017 at 11:51 pm

      Heads-up for America: If Trump is out doing P.R., he’s about to dismantle / overturn / crap on something.

  35. 76 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 9:36 pm

  36. 77 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 9:39 pm

  37. 78 jacquelineoboomer
    September 3, 2017 at 9:41 pm

  38. 79 desertflower
    September 3, 2017 at 9:44 pm

  39. 80 amk for obama
    September 3, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    apartheid amurkkka is here.

  40. 81 amk for obama
    September 3, 2017 at 10:12 pm

  41. 83 amk for obama
    September 3, 2017 at 10:30 pm

  42. 84 amk for obama
    September 3, 2017 at 10:30 pm

  43. 85 jacquelineoboomer
    September 3, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    • 86 jacquelineoboomer
      September 3, 2017 at 10:46 pm

      • 87 jacquelineoboomer
        September 3, 2017 at 10:47 pm

      • 89 nathkatun7
        September 4, 2017 at 1:58 am

        Great tweets, JO’B! I don’t know how Trump and his so called Christian supporters sleep at night. Right wing evangelicals are quick to erroneously cite LEVITICUS to attack gay people, but they are totally silent when it comes to passages in LEVETICUS about treating the so called “aliens.” Here is what LEVITICUS says about treating foreigners/aliens:

        ” When an “Alien” resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the “alien.” –LEVITICUS, 19:33

        “The “Alien” who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the “Alien” as yourself, for you were “ALIENS” in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD YOUR GOD.” –LEVITICUS, 19:34.

        • 90 jacquelineoboomer
          September 4, 2017 at 5:43 pm

          Damn near cried when I read that, nath. This is how it is, no matter what trump and his bozos say.

  44. 94 carolyn
    September 3, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    I just cannot comprehend the savagery and evil in this person. It is beyond any of my understanding. I never thought I would see my beloved country come to this.

    • 95 FoxfireTX
      September 4, 2017 at 1:29 am

      I’m with you Carolyn. I weep for the country we are leaving our children and grandchildren by the time this presidency is over. We will go down as the first generation in history that left our beloved country in worse shape than it was entrusted to us by our parents. I am heartsick.

    • 96 nathkatun7
      September 4, 2017 at 2:14 am

      I am with you Carolyn. Trump’s evilness is truly beyond my comprehension.

  45. 97 Gazelle
    September 3, 2017 at 11:43 pm

    Am totally fascinated (& in awe) of these musical instruments:

  46. September 3, 2017 at 11:44 pm

  47. 99 desertflower
    September 4, 2017 at 12:16 am

    I’m going to bed. Rage is brewing.

  48. 100 FoxfireTX
    September 4, 2017 at 1:48 am

    All of this! That the GOP is not embarrassed by him makes everyone of those adjectives apply to the entire party and everyone who votes for them. Shame on each and every one of them.

    • 101 nathkatun7
      September 4, 2017 at 2:32 am

      What’s so mind boggling to me is: how in the world does a man who has four children with two immigrant wives mistreat children of other immigrants? Why is Melania, Trump’s immigrant wife who is now FLOTUS, silent? Why are Trump’s 3 adult children of his first immigrant wife (Don, Jr., Ivanka, and Eric) silent? By the way, was Melania here legally before she married Trump?

      • 102 FoxfireTX
        September 4, 2017 at 2:45 am

        It’s a race issue with DT. His wives don’t count as immigrants because they are white. And as I understand it, Melania was eventually here legally but she worked for a time without the proper visa which is illegal. Of course, DT was going to have that news conference with Melania’s paperwork before the election but it never happened, and the media was more concerned with Hillary’s emails than Melania’s status to keep after him.

        • 103 nathkatun7
          September 4, 2017 at 3:55 am

          “It’s a race issue with DT.”

          I know you speak TRUTH, Foxfire TX! The irony, of course, is that Eastern Europeans–the Slavic people–, where Melania is from, were classified by the proponents of the concept of RACE to be lower than the pure white Nordic/Aryan people. I suppose one thing the U.S. Should be proud of is the creation of the “white race,” which did away with European racial/ethnic hierarchies. The American racial categories of: White, Red, Brown and Black, are silly, but they’ve been beneficial to all Europeans immigrants to America–including those European ethnic groups that occupied lower status in Europe’s racial/ethnic hierarchy.

  49. 104 whenpamelawandered
    September 4, 2017 at 8:35 am


  50. September 4, 2017 at 9:19 am

    It honestly doesn’t get much worse than this:

  51. September 4, 2017 at 9:40 am

    A Canadian asks…….

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